if you guys have not published this in a respected journal and has gone through the peer-review process I highly recommend you do so for your own credibility
All of the small and isolated communities (who have healers) around the world would find it difficult to explain to people and impossible to test for. I'm fairly certain death in small, poor areas caused by COVID will be explained and remembered as a bad, really bad, flu season or lung illness.
*Even in my country India those who was positive for COVID and become negative after some days and if They die then they don't count it as COVID DEATH ...also VO MORBID are not considered as COVID DEATH....if 100 ppl dies then our CORRUPT govt shows 10 DEATHS* 🙏🙏
Have you counted people dying at home with heart attacks & strokes etc, that were too scared to go to hospital? Or Cancer patients who on average will be younger than patients with covid? Mental health suicides?
I appreciate "excess deaths" part. Many death reports in the US list "covid death" including people on hospice (where you already have less than 6 months to live and are just made comfortable at home) or even at least one case where someone died in a motorcycle accident but had covid and was listed as a "covid death," which is a reason why Americans are particularly confused with our death toll because everything is very politicized and unclear.
If you go to 'ourworldindata' (website) you can get a look at excess deaths/deaths from all causes by country. Quite interesting to look at. Do note however that there's time lag in reporting, so the data from the past ~3months is likely lower than reality. Also less developed countries are only able to give rough estimates.
Carful love numbers are data and data is an algorithm. The algorithm is easily manipulated especially when numbers and politics are involved.... Never has a virus been so heavily politicized especially one created as a bio-weapon.
@@alaskangirl7475 and the rub of it is, you simply have to look at pre-2020 CDC data to get rudimentary understanding of what the thing actually is. The best comparative study is the 56-58 avian flu. No masks, no shutdowns, and the antivirus was made and disbursed in the US 2 months after initial detection. People are insisting upon chronic fear. This is why bicycle helmets were a bad idea in terms of mass advertising and media campaigns in the 90's. That generation choked.
@@chriswhitenackmediaproduct6906 totally agree and now the rub is a vaccine that is not substantiated in any means or ways except for profit and long term health issues.
The data has been released. In the UK there was 17k deaths from just Covid and no other underlying health problems. Various independent journalists are reporting on it. Just looking at excess deaths doesn't mean they were all covid, other things have been happening in the country.
@@shanefranklin575 Russia also announced that their official excess mortality is almost 4 times their official COVID deaths. Basically 75% of their COVID victims somehow didn't get tested, despite you know, actively dying of pneumonia. I don't know about you, but that doesn't inspire confidence in their COVID testing ability.
@@ivanlagrossemoule Yes. Several months ago (October? November?) a Russian government minister answered a question about excess deaths by saying that they'd estimated that covid-19 contributed to 81% of the excess deaths reported in Russia up to that date. If correct, that meant that over four times as many people had died of covid-19 in Russia than the published number. The numbers published by the Russian government have not been adjusted, though. I think that anyone who has another condition, or who dies without being tested, is not counted as dying of Covid-19. So, when last year Daghestan was having six times as many people dying with pneumonia (a symptom of many diseases) than usual, their deaths were recorded as caused by pneumonia, with no underlying cause (e.g. bacterial infection, flu) given. One of my great-grandfathers died in November 1918. According to his family, he had flu - estimated to have killed 300,000 people in the UK that year. His death certificate says pneumonia. It was a common effect of the 1918 flu variety..
The numbers are skewed for many reasons. It's just what happens in politically and emotionally hyped-up times. It is a fact that "some" hospitals do not report accurately, instead opting to "not report" even though they're "supposedly" required to. People who have family members die from Coronavirus deliberately deny "why" their family died. It's not difficult to have a say in what gets put down on the "cause of death" portion of a death certificate, especially in these emotionally charged times. Under reporting and inaccurate reporting is common in stressful times as those who have worked in poorer countries can attest to. Many have died alone, in their homes on their living room floors, only to be found much later, unwanted, and without a friend or family member to claim the body.
Mike - I would be highly surprised that non-professionals get a chance to determine what is on death certificates. This is important information for public health data and all jurisdictions/countries regard it highly. Doctors who in most (all?) jurisdictions DO understand the importance of this. The reporting of hospitals and various local health jurisdictions may have different ideas though. :-)
@@vikinglife6316 in the usa we only take the us census every 10 years so in 2019 thats a guess not the real number but covid only killed 500 000 in the usa and it looks like we over counted the number of people that died with covid or do to covid and some places have counted car crash deaths as covid deaths do to the driver having covid
2020 census reports 331.4 million but in 2019 we had 328 million. Thats an increase not decrease. So where are all the Covid deaths if the population is rising substantially?
Yeah. You must have heard about Indian people leaving there dead family members to be taken care of by the people who were doing mass cremation. Some people were so poor that they buried their loved ones near river banks and some left them on the hands of hospital staffs who threw them over a bridge into the river.
In the USA it's probably grossly overstated. We counted everything as a covid related death and I personally know of people that had covid, were perfectly fine, died of their other conditions months later, and were still put down as a covid related death. We also know there's likely way more people that had covid that we don't know of, which would lower the proportional death rate. But even after all that, CDC still subtly noted that the majority of listed covid deaths did not have covid-19 as a primary cause of death. Which means a lot considering they slapped it on anyone that tested positive for infection of Sars Cov 2. A few even tested negative and they still counted them. Just another thing to get swept under the rug and be forgotten in history I guess.
The Economist is extremely irresponsible to keep peddling panic. Death toll is much less than what is widely reported. The Economist failed to mention the extremely high rate of comorbidity, deaths linked to pre-existing conditions, other ailments. Total death statistics contradict The Economist's radical theories. The total death rate is near normal.
Also, there are actually more excessive Covid-19 deaths because all manner of death is also up (such as shootings, stabbings, fire and flooding deaths, car wrecks, suicide, and accidents) which skewed the excess deaths rate in America!
But they did say that the official American covid deaths are pretty accurate. It's countries which don't have effective testing etc that would have the surplus.
7-13 million excess deaths worldwide due to covid already. That’s a staggering toll but only a fraction of the final figure. We still don’t know how close to the end of the pandemic we have progressed.
Assuming another year until its brought under control even in the poorer regions upwards of 20 million. Long story short WW1 level of fatalities. Ie this event will upend politics and society in ways we can only start to imagine. Don't forget WW1 led to the rise of fascism.
In America, you have a current death-toll of 616,000+ people. They only have a bit under 330 million people. That means 1 person of every 532 in the US has died of the disease. That's not 1/532 people infected, not 1/532 hospitalized, that's out of ALL the people who literally just EXIST in the US, that were living.
Weird, I was in 10+ large cities in America last month on a roadtrip and saw no paramedics anywhere, no one was dying or suffering, not even the homeless people, the only place where the Pandemic exists is on TV
@@eldavo6227 Weirder still, I'm near two ambulance services about half-way between two large local hospitals and I see and hear ambulances about 9 times a day. Did you try visiting the ICUs there chuck?
The United States has access to vaccines but it population is divided on its use. Misinformation once disseminated becomes entrenched due to confirmation bias. Local news agencies could give updates of local covid hospitalization and deaths divided by vaccination status similar to two sports teams. The two teams scores then are easily compared side by side. Beliefs changed when the information touches their community and the people they know by just presenting their local data in a meaningful and understandable way. If daily reports also include a two week look back trend people will have the data needed to make up their own minds.
Highly unreliable? In what way? If a projection tells you that something will happen, ie: 80% chance of rain, and you then change your behaviour to account for it... is the modeling wrong just because you used an umbrella, and didn't actually get that wet? There is a lot of backwards rationalization going on, but we only have a reality where multiple policies on different governmental and individual levels were taken. How do you quantify infections or deaths prevented in any situation?
This is true, my relative is a manager in a electric crematorium in Bangalore. They cremate at least 25 covid bodies per day and run 24/7. With almost 15 crematoriums in Bangalore it's 375 cremated per day which is 50% as other half are cremated with wood. Total approx 750 covid deaths in Bangalore per day.
I think statistical analysis of COVID related fatalities should look at whether infected patients had ever suffered from gastroenteritis or nova virus in the past few years and how it might relate to the pandemic.
@@effingsix3825 there would obviously be a correlation between covid illness in people with existing health conditions and weakened immune systems so yup
@@suedenim6590 sources? I've noticed COVID deniers have no sources or rely on fake mainstream news as a "source". Do your own research and don't be tricked mainstream media downplaying the virus and telling us not to get vaccinated. Big government causing more deaths by discouraging vaccines, what a surprise.
@@tek1645 from the centre for covid statistical studies, I believe the acronym is actually "covid" the death figures are widely published to those who read (I don't mean TH-cam comment threads). You may have "noticed" that about "covid deniers" I notice you liked your own comment friend. Best of luck in life 👍
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
In terms of limiting covid-related deaths and serious hospitalization cases as well as the drain on medical resources that would otherwise available for treating non-covid patients , which policy is more effective ? - China's dynamic zero covid policy or the approach to coexist with the virus as adopted by most western countries Finally, Lancet Journal has validated the China’s claim (hereby refuting western propaganda) on its dynamic zero covid policy. Lancet has recently published a report titled “Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020-21”. This Lancet Report gives a scientific and independent assessment of covid-related deaths, country by country. These metrics eliminated all reporting and policy bias issues with a single Excess Mortality Rate and that same basis is applied universally to measure each country’s covid performance (Excess Mortality Rate) as well as their honesty in reporting covid deaths (Difference between the reported figure and estimated excess death). For the sake of clarity, let me pull out the covid stats from the Lancet Report for a few representative countries (2 western countries - UK and USA - and 2 Asian populous countries - India, China): 1. Global stats. Reported covid death: 5.94m. Estimated excess death: 18.2m Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 39.2. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 120.3 2. USA stats: Reported covid death: 0.82m. Estimated excess death: 1.13m Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 130.6. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 179.3 3. UK stats: Reported covid death: 173k. Estimated excess death: 169k. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 130.1. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 126.8 4. China stats: Reported covid death: 4,820. Estimated excess death: 17,900. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 0.2. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 0.6 5. India stats: Reported covid death: 489k. Estimated excess death: 4.07m. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 18.3. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 152.5 If one subtracts the estimated excess death by the reported covid death, the difference is actually the underreported covid death per country. Doing so, I got 0.31m (USA), 13k (China) and 3.58m (India). These countries widely underreported their covid-related death counts according to the model used by Lancet. The worst is India with a hefty underreported amount of 3.58m, which is 7.3x of the reported amount. Next is the USA, a difference of 0.31m or 0.38x of the reported amount. For China, it is merely 13k underreported. It is correct, only 13k for China, a mere 5-digit number. As per the Lancet Report, China is the most honest country among the 3 countries; with India being the worst, and the USA in the middle of the road. If you compare the estimated excess mortality rate of each country against the global rate, you will realise that China immediately stands out as the country with the best pandemic performance in limiting deaths due to covid-19. What is shocking is that the USA, with its world-class medical technology and resources, did poorly versus the global average. India, a country with a similar population as China, also did poorly vs the global average. At the same time, India contributed 4.07m estimated excess death counts to the global total of 18.2m. It is worrisome to see the covid death cases rising in a number of Western countries (including the UK) that have lifted most, if not all covid measures.
Have you published your research along with a detailed model and underlying data in a peer-reviewed journal? Statistical models are prone to various issues which cannot be evaluated on TH-cam. Please act responsibly about this serious issue and get your research reviewed.
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
I am more interested to know overall global deaths by any causes during 2020 - 2021 compared to deaths in the previous years. That way I can know the gravity of the situation better.
Not all Indians... I am Indian and I agree with you 100%. Modi and his supporters are inventing conspiracy theories connecting China to hide their failures.
@@frankhe4862 OK so what if a news source starts spewing out nationalistic content? It doesn't represent the 1.3 billion people who live in India and thats considering that Wion isn't even one of the biggest news sources. This is also considering that Wion speaks English, not Tamil not hindi but rather English which most of the population doesn't understand (a mere 10% understands it).
It can be helpful if neighbouring countries are at the same level of socioeconomic development and similar political systems. For instance , India , Bangladesh, Pakistan etc.
The Economist is always right. The UK fatalities is actually much less than what's reported. In India it is likely 50% higher than reported. There are some African countries where there are no people left and you never heard about it. Well.....
Indian numbers are very high. 27K non pandemic daily deaths in India. No way 3-4K daily covid deaths would overwhelm the system. Covid accurate death rate is at least 27 * 2 = 54K
whoever lets out the virus should be held accountable and be made paid for the human life and economic losses worldwide. And a thorough investigation of the nature of its origin, whether it's manmade and deliberately released into the world should be carried out, no leniency or excuses should be allowed this time.
I have a simpler way than using 121 factors. Just take each country and find out the average number of people that die each non-covid year vs. a covid year and compare to reported covid deaths. What's the number & % difference overall for the world? Then we can use that number & % in the future to figure actual deaths.
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
I once wrote an algorithm that calculates the area of a circle. At the time, my result were also off by more than 3 times compared to the actual result. I forgot to multiply the answer by π
Well classes and statistics teach you how to calculate the spread rate calculus of the trip of a million trips are calculated to fractions into a calculus that shows you account of various time frames over massive populations which at this rate we're about 1.5 to 2.3 people per 5 minutes this way we spread over population of about 4 million till we just divide that into that and we come up with the calculation
The reason for this is health services failures and government agencies telling lies or being incompetent. Many people died in their homes or if homeless on the streets. This virus has shown up every country's short comings. We all need to change and arguments over anything to do with this crisis, may only lead to another crisis. Learn, correct, move on and stop putting politics before people. If we all don't do that, worse will probably happen soon rather than later. 🤔
Zoonotic diseases cause epidemics and pandemics. 75% of human disease leaps to us via another animal. Be vegan if you can (Inuits cannot, for example). Being vegan will help prevent future viral pandemics, antibiotic resistant catastrophes, and climate change. You can start today...no need to wait for your government to do anything...just stop eating meats, milks and eggs.
If you look at the number of total deaths, they don't seem to be higher than usual. And why all this testing? Why not spend that money on treating the ill? I really don't understand where the Economist is coming from.
@@Fomites I look at official figures published by respective authorities. The death toll for 2020 is marginally higher in some places, but hardly anything to justify lock-downs and other horrible violations of human rights.
@@garyspruce7736 Assuming that lockdowns make a difference? Macrotrends record no excess mortality for the world in total. If you look at individual western countries, it looks as if there were 10-15% more deaths than the average for recent years. If the Economist is right, how does 12 million Covid-19 deaths affect the yearly world death toll of around 55 million? It is surely not a net addition. I don't understand the purpose of the Economist publication here. What are they trying to say? I think they are on the brink of scare mongering.
@@carltornell looks to me they are trying to say that alot more people have died than being stated , that alot of countries have under reported deaths in the country. I don't think they are trying to scare monger . I find it interesting to compare how countries have reported it .
How do you know the developing countries are mis-counting ? Did you count the death physically in that country ? Economist are always wrong in ‘estimating’ and projecting by computers!
Could you answer the following problem. Supposing there was a country with a stable population of 80 million people. They had a life expectancy of 80 years with the age groups evenly distributed through the population. The life expectancy in this country was to be reduced to 79 years over four years by a disease which targeted the elderly. (1) What would the excess mortality have been over those four years? (2) How should such a transformation be managed? Incidentally the life expectancy in Ireland increased by 2.5 years over the last twelve years,vastly swelling a cohort of people with challenged immune systems. (3)Can it not decrease? (4)Do you believe absolutely that these experimental vaccines developed over 10 months are an elixir
To look at excess death can not in its own be explained or connected to the virus itself. Because we know that the developing world have death that to some extent are due to poverty coming out of the lack of income due to lock downs and such which can not explain how deadly the virus is, just how deadly the policies of dealing with the danger of the virus, and the developed world have different results depending on strategy chosen in fighting this danger the pandamic have been classified to be. So this model looks at first glance to simplify the narrative.. the real danger is cancer and that is not a infectious but rather depends on lifestyle, so why do not we do more to fight cancer than any flu virus that will return now and again...
That's because we had been in lockdown for months prior to July / August. The number of infections went down extremely low st that point. So then it took longer for the infections to pick up, especially as people still weren't mixing as much.
Sigh, I don't think its that clear what caused the most deaths during those trying years. I believe, from my experience that the pandemic had more sociological effects, such as in mental health, which in turn caused more suicides during those years. I suppose you can call those covid related deaths as well. This is only one side of the whole story and from what it sounds like that poor doctor is kind of downplaying a lot. It just sounds like hes not too sure of what he is saying.
very useful content, however... if you're going to do more public presentations, you need a voice coach... the trailing off quiet speaking is extremely irritating and hard to follow. finish a sentence with confidence.
Great! I too have been saying the same thing again and again. There was no second or third or fourth wave... The numbers have been on the rise from last year. But the count has been ignored and forgotten for the past couple of months lethargically. While in the background the numbers kept increasing and the graph going high, most were like yes, lockdown is over and so is covid in India.And when the spike came in and spread the new variants ...all was lost. As usual at every turn there are the politicians and the people to be blamed. Every country will have false figures. I am sure every country's number would be offcial numbers x 5-10 times. All thanks to China!
A pandemic starting in a country is not the fault of that country - the Spanish Flu started in Kansas, USA. But the response is the responsibility of individual countries. The Trump Administration failed spectacularly.
@@Fomites Okay, so what you are implying is ...well its the worlds problem now? Because some sick fks could not stop eating fkng bats(or some thing else)? So, if you have a bunch of nukes and it suddenly launches in all directions to nearby countries would you say " well its not our problem anymore? It's theirs!" Sorry, but I don't understand this logic. If the destruction is natures way then we can do nothing about it but if humans are the source then whomever it is they should be held accountable. China should be held accountable! Yes, every country did fail miserably in containing them, some took very little to no action because of various reasons. That does not mean that china could slip by easily saying hey we tried to keep it a secret and the world found out so its your responsiblity now!
@@Fomites destructive sand storm is expected in the near future. COVID-19, Start eating the Coronavirus antidote. The antidote to Coronavirus is available at..... There is.
@@Fomites China is at much higher risk of a starting a pandemic due to high contact with natural reservoirs of pathogens that potentially can cause pandemics. If you hunt and consume wild animals that are high risk factors, or keep farm animals in close contact with them, eventually you risk starting a pandemic. Blaming them isn't that outlandish. Now of course there have been certain propaganda campaigns by certain politicians to push the blame to China instead of their own atrocious handling of the situation. China can't be blamed for everything either.
I doubt very much this is accurate work. If the the death toll was 4 times higher that would be a number that is so large that the mass graves and cremations necessary could not be concealed . I think the death toll is higher than reported but not 4 times as high . Just going on the percentages if it was 12 million deaths then the hospital cases that would match to that number would have completely collapsed the hospital systems and that's not the case so far . Some countries are definitely lying about their stats and have worse death tolls than they report but 4 times higher across the whole World is a bit hard to believe .
Covid-19 deaths 2020: estimated 3 million (numbers have declined since) Pneumonia deaths 2016: 3 million (numbers have risen since) Panic over pneumonia 2021: 0 Panic over covid 2021: alot
🤔🤔🤔pneumonia can be caused by a variety of different infectious agents. Most Covid-19 death would be classified under pneumonia. It’s like saying lung cancer isn’t a problem because cancer in general kills more people. It’s a very dumb comparison to be honest.
if you guys have not published this in a respected journal and has gone through the peer-review process I highly recommend you do so for your own credibility
@ONLY FUTURE SUMMER 2!! Wth you talking about?
@ONLY FUTURE SUMMER 2!! What crimes have 'The Economist' committed exactly? Aside from giving nutters a platform, that is.
@ONLY FUTURE SUMMER 2!! "Their" crimes. What are you talking about???
@@Name-cz5jj Do you have an actual point? No, I thought not.
@@Name-cz5jj No point at all, then. Thought not.
Kindly make the data model publically available. I am not talking about the report, but the data.
Which 121 indicators are taken into consideration?
The article is out there but is sadly behind a paywall. Although you can probably find excess deaths reports for specific countries.
No your not supposed to ask questions like that. Just trust them 😶
@@jerrycarnes9487 Imagine if there were multiple countries in the world, many of which made their own data transparent. Wouldn't that be fantastic?
Revelation 12.1 is the indicator. ended on 6/3/2021.
@@jerrycarnes9487 oh dear oh dear ,where you getting that “ fact “ from
In certain countries like India , Brazil and Indonesia those who died without diagnosed of covid were not consider not covid related death
All of the small and isolated communities (who have healers) around the world would find it difficult to explain to people and impossible to test for. I'm fairly certain death in small, poor areas caused by COVID will be explained and remembered as a bad, really bad, flu season or lung illness.
*Even in my country India those who was positive for COVID and become negative after some days and if They die then they don't count it as COVID DEATH ...also VO MORBID are not considered as COVID DEATH....if 100 ppl dies then our CORRUPT govt shows 10 DEATHS* 🙏🙏
@@BuddhaModern because of lack of evidence, its difficult to prove it.
@@BadDictator Please tell us about the 'lack of evidence'.
@@Fomites there is no proof that government is hiding deaths, if yes, provide it.
Have you counted people dying at home with heart attacks & strokes etc, that were too scared to go to hospital? Or Cancer patients who on average will be younger than patients with covid? Mental health suicides?
Of course they haven't. That doesn't fit their narrative.
It's all nonsense you've been sold a lie. The inflated figures are still merely 0.037% of our 7.9 billion. Killer disease? Cool story bro
Do you not know what excess deaths are? Those things you mentioned probably factor into it
@@suedenim6590 At what percentage of the entire human population dying off do you begin to consider something a problem??
@@nofanealbni 1%
0.80-0.90 percent as well.
Governments calculate official covid deaths and infections using the same model as they do with official unemployment rates.
There is no doubt the numbers are being undercounted in India
I think it is important to say that this is a joke and it is NOT the case in the real life.
Yeah. Number of unemployed / number of employed. It’s that easy.
I appreciate "excess deaths" part. Many death reports in the US list "covid death" including people on hospice (where you already have less than 6 months to live and are just made comfortable at home) or even at least one case where someone died in a motorcycle accident but had covid and was listed as a "covid death," which is a reason why Americans are particularly confused with our death toll because everything is very politicized and unclear.
Except the excess deaths are about 10-15% higher than covid deaths, indicating the US slightly undercounted the number of covid deaths
@@TWE_2000 you mean overcounted it has a .03 death rate slighlt worse than the flu
@@Capdub no buddy I mean undercounted, learn how to read
I will like to see a more detailed explanation of the data indicators they used, what are the estimates by country etc..
If you go to 'ourworldindata' (website) you can get a look at excess deaths/deaths from all causes by country. Quite interesting to look at.
Do note however that there's time lag in reporting, so the data from the past ~3months is likely lower than reality. Also less developed countries are only able to give rough estimates.
They won't. They're more interested in fear induced ratings.
Carful love numbers are data and data is an algorithm.
The algorithm is easily manipulated especially when numbers and politics are involved....
Never has a virus been so heavily politicized especially one created as a bio-weapon.
@@alaskangirl7475 and the rub of it is, you simply have to look at pre-2020 CDC data to get rudimentary understanding of what the thing actually is. The best comparative study is the 56-58 avian flu.
No masks, no shutdowns, and the antivirus was made and disbursed in the US 2 months after initial detection.
People are insisting upon chronic fear. This is why bicycle helmets were a bad idea in terms of mass advertising and media campaigns in the 90's. That generation choked.
@@chriswhitenackmediaproduct6906 totally agree and now the rub is a vaccine that is not substantiated in any means or ways except for profit and long term health issues.
We need to look at deaths without pre-existing underlying factors such as diabetes, morbid obesity, cancer, pre-existing heart ailments.
The data has been released. In the UK there was 17k deaths from just Covid and no other underlying health problems. Various independent journalists are reporting on it. Just looking at excess deaths doesn't mean they were all covid, other things have been happening in the country.
Russia avoiding covid testing to improve their numbers.... Who will have expected that?
Just russian things
You can’t rely on these news channels. Russia has done testing 930000 / 1 million
Look at the low positivity rate of Russia. If the positivity rate is low, no need to ramp up testing.
@@shanefranklin575 Russia also announced that their official excess mortality is almost 4 times their official COVID deaths. Basically 75% of their COVID victims somehow didn't get tested, despite you know, actively dying of pneumonia. I don't know about you, but that doesn't inspire confidence in their COVID testing ability.
@@ivanlagrossemoule Yes. Several months ago (October? November?) a Russian government minister answered a question about excess deaths by saying that they'd estimated that covid-19 contributed to 81% of the excess deaths reported in Russia up to that date. If correct, that meant that over four times as many people had died of covid-19 in Russia than the published number.
The numbers published by the Russian government have not been adjusted, though. I think that anyone who has another condition, or who dies without being tested, is not counted as dying of Covid-19. So, when last year Daghestan was having six times as many people dying with pneumonia (a symptom of many diseases) than usual, their deaths were recorded as caused by pneumonia, with no underlying cause (e.g. bacterial infection, flu) given.
One of my great-grandfathers died in November 1918. According to his family, he had flu - estimated to have killed 300,000 people in the UK that year. His death certificate says pneumonia. It was a common effect of the 1918 flu variety..
The numbers are skewed for many reasons. It's just what happens in politically and emotionally hyped-up times. It is a fact that "some" hospitals do not report accurately, instead opting to "not report" even though they're "supposedly" required to. People who have family members die from Coronavirus deliberately deny "why" their family died. It's not difficult to have a say in what gets put down on the "cause of death" portion of a death certificate, especially in these emotionally charged times. Under reporting and inaccurate reporting is common in stressful times as those who have worked in poorer countries can attest to. Many have died alone, in their homes on their living room floors, only to be found much later, unwanted, and without a friend or family member to claim the body.
Agree. However , when the history of this time is written we will get a better picture of what happened. The truth will out . . . One day.
Mike - I would be highly surprised that non-professionals get a chance to determine what is on death certificates. This is important information for public health data and all jurisdictions/countries regard it highly. Doctors who in most (all?) jurisdictions DO understand the importance of this. The reporting of hospitals and various local health jurisdictions may have different ideas though. :-)
2020 census has 331.4 million vs 328 million in 2019. Where are all the deaths?
@@vikinglife6316 in the usa we only take the us census every 10 years so in 2019 thats a guess not the real number
but covid only killed 500 000 in the usa and it looks like we over counted the number of people that died with covid or do to covid
and some places have counted car crash deaths as covid deaths do to the driver having covid
I don't think we'll ever know the true number. Not now. Not in 50 years time.
When classified material gets declassified, after the current generation and administrations/regimes have passed.
I know the true number, its 0
2020 census reports 331.4 million but in 2019 we had 328 million. Thats an increase not decrease. So where are all the Covid deaths if the population is rising substantially?
@@elsa9026 What's causing excess deaths?
@@vikinglife6316 US population increased from 1941 to 1945, guess no one died in the war then
Too many. People have lost their closest family and been unable to be at their funerals which is horrendous ...
I lost my uncle, he was 43 and healthy. No one ever knows how your body will react to this virus.
Yeah. You must have heard about Indian people leaving there dead family members to be taken care of by the people who were doing mass cremation. Some people were so poor that they buried their loved ones near river banks and some left them on the hands of hospital staffs who threw them over a bridge into the river.
Murderd, they didn't treat him with ivermectin which is what has been told from the very start
@@jimmyzoom1143 That doesn't work.
@@wuttheactual6323 Dr cambell reveals a study that does
True. Here in Yemen the number 7 times more then what they calculated.
In the USA it's probably grossly overstated. We counted everything as a covid related death and I personally know of people that had covid, were perfectly fine, died of their other conditions months later, and were still put down as a covid related death.
We also know there's likely way more people that had covid that we don't know of, which would lower the proportional death rate. But even after all that, CDC still subtly noted that the majority of listed covid deaths did not have covid-19 as a primary cause of death. Which means a lot considering they slapped it on anyone that tested positive for infection of Sars Cov 2. A few even tested negative and they still counted them. Just another thing to get swept under the rug and be forgotten in history I guess.
The Economist is extremely irresponsible to keep peddling panic. Death toll is much less than what is widely reported. The Economist failed to mention the extremely high rate of comorbidity, deaths linked to pre-existing conditions, other ailments. Total death statistics contradict The Economist's radical theories. The total death rate is near normal.
Clearly if the death rate amount is higher the cases must be much higher which means the death rate percentage is lower
Also, there are actually more excessive Covid-19 deaths because all manner of death is also up (such as shootings, stabbings, fire and flooding deaths, car wrecks, suicide, and accidents) which skewed the excess deaths rate in America!
But they did say that the official American covid deaths are pretty accurate. It's countries which don't have effective testing etc that would have the surplus.
Do like to share this video please.
4:17 What did he say? Was it skipped?
Got tested 3 times and they refuse to give me my results on paper but told me I was negative lol
That means you don’t have covid.
Between 7M and 13M is a huge margin of error
7-13 million excess deaths worldwide due to covid already. That’s a staggering toll but only a fraction of the final figure. We still don’t know how close to the end of the pandemic we have progressed.
Assuming another year until its brought under control even in the poorer regions upwards of 20 million. Long story short WW1 level of fatalities. Ie this event will upend politics and society in ways we can only start to imagine. Don't forget WW1 led to the rise of fascism.
@@florinivan6907 Right. Political change has come to Peru and there is civil unrest in Colombia.
Looking at the average age of death with covid, that wouldn't worry me at all. Do the math.
@@BarMagnet Covid victims’ lives are cut short by almost a decade on average. That’s a lot of life years. I don’t expect misanthropes to care.
@@gallaxian Please supply data to support that statement if you can.
The Spanish flu took 50 Million lives.. 🥺
In America, you have a current death-toll of 616,000+ people.
They only have a bit under 330 million people.
That means 1 person of every 532 in the US has died of the disease.
That's not 1/532 people infected, not 1/532 hospitalized, that's out of ALL the people who literally just EXIST in the US, that were living.
Weird, I was in 10+ large cities in America last month on a roadtrip and saw no paramedics anywhere, no one was dying or suffering, not even the homeless people, the only place where the Pandemic exists is on TV
@@eldavo6227 Weirder still, I'm near two ambulance services about half-way between two large local hospitals and I see and hear ambulances about 9 times a day.
Did you try visiting the ICUs there chuck?
The United States has access to vaccines but it population is divided on its use. Misinformation once disseminated becomes entrenched due to confirmation bias. Local news agencies could give updates of local covid hospitalization and deaths divided by vaccination status similar to two sports teams. The two teams scores then are easily compared side by side. Beliefs changed when the information touches their community and the people they know by just presenting their local data in a meaningful and understandable way. If daily reports also include a two week look back trend people will have the data needed to make up their own minds.
Models have proved to be highly unreliable. Publish for peer review or retract.
Highly unreliable? In what way? If a projection tells you that something will happen, ie: 80% chance of rain, and you then change your behaviour to account for it... is the modeling wrong just because you used an umbrella, and didn't actually get that wet? There is a lot of backwards rationalization going on, but we only have a reality where multiple policies on different governmental and individual levels were taken. How do you quantify infections or deaths prevented in any situation?
Except the ones that have proved to be fairly or highly reliable. Still, you told 'em, eh?
This is true, my relative is a manager in a electric crematorium in Bangalore. They cremate at least 25 covid bodies per day and run 24/7. With almost 15 crematoriums in Bangalore it's 375 cremated per day which is 50% as other half are cremated with wood. Total approx 750 covid deaths in Bangalore per day.
You just told us how many people are dying per day. How many was it in 2019?
I think statistical analysis of COVID related fatalities should look at whether infected patients had ever suffered from gastroenteritis or nova virus in the past few years and how it might relate to the pandemic.
It's all nonsense you've been sold a lie. The inflated figures are still merely 0.037% of our 7.9 billion. Killer disease? Cool story bro
I would say there’s probably a strong correlation between gastroenteritis sufferers in the past and hospitalized COVID patients.
@@effingsix3825 there would obviously be a correlation between covid illness in people with existing health conditions and weakened immune systems so yup
@@suedenim6590 sources? I've noticed COVID deniers have no sources or rely on fake mainstream news as a "source". Do your own research and don't be tricked mainstream media downplaying the virus and telling us not to get vaccinated. Big government causing more deaths by discouraging vaccines, what a surprise.
@@tek1645 from the centre for covid statistical studies, I believe the acronym is actually "covid" the death figures are widely published to those who read (I don't mean TH-cam comment threads). You may have "noticed" that about "covid deniers" I notice you liked your own comment friend. Best of luck in life 👍
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If you can show me the data, not the model. Otherwise you guys should quit journalism. Otherwise you are lying.
the link doesn't work it just takes me to a page where you beg for money
Which model are you using. It’s quite a bold statement to claim that the actual death is 3-4 more higher than the official deaths.
Excess deaths.
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model
You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
I thought it was 300 million. 😂
In terms of limiting covid-related deaths and serious hospitalization cases as well as the drain on medical resources that would otherwise available for treating non-covid patients , which policy is more effective ? - China's dynamic zero covid policy or the approach to coexist with the virus as adopted by most western countries
Finally, Lancet Journal has validated the China’s claim (hereby refuting western propaganda) on its dynamic zero covid policy. Lancet has recently published a report titled “Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020-21”.
This Lancet Report gives a scientific and independent assessment of covid-related deaths, country by country. These metrics eliminated all reporting and policy bias issues with a single Excess Mortality Rate and that same basis is applied universally to measure each country’s covid performance (Excess Mortality Rate) as well as their honesty in reporting covid deaths (Difference between the reported figure and estimated excess death).
For the sake of clarity, let me pull out the covid stats from the Lancet Report for a few representative countries (2 western countries - UK and USA - and 2 Asian populous countries - India, China):
1. Global stats. Reported covid death: 5.94m. Estimated excess death: 18.2m Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 39.2. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 120.3
2. USA stats: Reported covid death: 0.82m. Estimated excess death: 1.13m Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 130.6. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 179.3
3. UK stats: Reported covid death: 173k. Estimated excess death: 169k. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 130.1. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 126.8
4. China stats: Reported covid death: 4,820. Estimated excess death: 17,900. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 0.2. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 0.6
5. India stats: Reported covid death: 489k. Estimated excess death: 4.07m. Reported covid mortality rate per 100k: 18.3. Estimated excess mortality rate per 100k: 152.5
If one subtracts the estimated excess death by the reported covid death, the difference is actually the underreported covid death per country. Doing so, I got 0.31m (USA), 13k (China) and 3.58m (India). These countries widely underreported their covid-related death counts according to the model used by Lancet. The worst is India with a hefty underreported amount of 3.58m, which is 7.3x of the reported amount. Next is the USA, a difference of 0.31m or 0.38x of the reported amount. For China, it is merely 13k underreported. It is correct, only 13k for China, a mere 5-digit number. As per the Lancet Report, China is the most honest country among the 3 countries; with India being the worst, and the USA in the middle of the road.
If you compare the estimated excess mortality rate of each country against the global rate, you will realise that China immediately stands out as the country with the best pandemic performance in limiting deaths due to covid-19. What is shocking is that the USA, with its world-class medical technology and resources, did poorly versus the global average. India, a country with a similar population as China, also did poorly vs the global average. At the same time, India contributed 4.07m estimated excess death counts to the global total of 18.2m.
It is worrisome to see the covid death cases rising in a number of Western countries (including the UK) that have lifted most, if not all covid measures.
Let’s just admit everyone dropped the ball and not come up with more BS numbers based on guesswork.
Why not? The ‘virus’ was ‘isolated’ using guesswork?!
American death toll is accurate? Lol
Of course his going to say that 😆
Biological warfare
They dont make it , but they modify it
Have you published your research along with a detailed model and underlying data in a peer-reviewed journal? Statistical models are prone to various issues which cannot be evaluated on TH-cam. Please act responsibly about this serious issue and get your research reviewed.
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model
You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
I am more interested to know overall global deaths by any causes during 2020 - 2021 compared to deaths in the previous years. That way I can know the gravity of the situation better.
I estimate 10s of millions have died in India.
Yes from factorys closing and people not being able to afford medicines. We stop, they stop. They didn't get furlough bs
How many more will die without THE regemerative medicine
2020 census shows 331.4 million in the U.S. vs 328 million in 2019. Where are all the deaths?
Indians will change the topic to China in the comment section
But we all know Chian has the scariest numbers, yet they hide them to save face
@@frankhe4862 stop being racist, I haven't seen any Indian doing what you are saying in the comment section.
Not all Indians... I am Indian and I agree with you 100%. Modi and his supporters are inventing conspiracy theories connecting China to hide their failures.
@@frankhe4862 who?
@@frankhe4862 OK so what if a news source starts spewing out nationalistic content?
It doesn't represent the 1.3 billion people who live in India and thats considering that Wion isn't even one of the biggest news sources.
This is also considering that Wion speaks English, not Tamil not hindi but rather English which most of the population doesn't understand (a mere 10% understands it).
the fact that covid comes really close to the spanish flu daam
Passed it already
'A country nearby' does not necessarily provide adaquate data; we are not talking about some geographical/climate event.
Exactly, not necessarily. That's why it is an estimation.
It can be helpful if neighbouring countries are at the same level of socioeconomic development and similar political systems. For instance , India , Bangladesh, Pakistan etc.
@@deadhistorian2287: India might be offended by that comparison.
Models have been proven to be quite reliable in every industry.
Not me I survived it.
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The Economist is always right. The UK fatalities is actually much less than what's reported.
In India it is likely 50% higher than reported.
There are some African countries where there are no people left and you never heard about it.
Well.....
Indian numbers are very high. 27K non pandemic daily deaths in India. No way 3-4K daily covid deaths would overwhelm the system. Covid accurate death rate is at least 27 * 2 = 54K
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Hope you are joking?
@@L.O.G. I swear the republicans should’ve gone extinct
@@tyranidswarmlord7641 they haven't won a full majority since Bush,
Yeah the other one in 1988.
But there's no evidence to it, you just just claim things on the basis of assumptions.
whoever lets out the virus should be held accountable and be made paid for the human life and economic losses worldwide. And a thorough investigation of the nature of its origin, whether it's manmade and deliberately released into the world should be carried out, no leniency or excuses should be allowed this time.
This is true people die in villages who are not even accounted for, thy are just so many.
What is the percentage of death among fully vaccinated people
Lower than among those who are unvaccinated. Like, way, way lower.
Thank you ☺️
I have a simpler way than using 121 factors. Just take each country and find out the average number of people that die each non-covid year vs. a covid year and compare to reported covid deaths. What's the number & % difference overall for the world? Then we can use that number & % in the future to figure actual deaths.
13 million people died from Coronavirus? And I still can't get a job! Everybody must have been on welfare
Lies. What are the co-morbidities?
Where can you see the data?
Thank you for your interest in the data. You can find the raw data here: github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model
You can also read our methodology here: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/13/how-we-estimated-the-true-death-toll-of-the-pandemic
I once wrote an algorithm that calculates the area of a circle. At the time, my result were also off by more than 3 times compared to the actual result.
I forgot to multiply the answer by π
turn off tv,virus gone
so thy did not get there 80+mil
Well classes and statistics teach you how to calculate the spread rate calculus of the trip of a million trips are calculated to fractions into a calculus that shows you account of various time frames over massive populations which at this rate we're about 1.5 to 2.3 people per 5 minutes this way we spread over population of about 4 million till we just divide that into that and we come up with the calculation
Zooming into a curved line to make it straight. Then only classic geometry is needed. The Flat earthers could use calc.
The reason for this is health services failures and government agencies telling lies or being incompetent. Many people died in their homes or if homeless on the streets. This virus has shown up every country's short comings. We all need to change and arguments over anything to do with this crisis, may only lead to another crisis. Learn, correct, move on and stop putting politics before people. If we all don't do that, worse will probably happen soon rather than later. 🤔
Zoonotic diseases cause epidemics and pandemics. 75% of human disease leaps to us via another animal. Be vegan if you can (Inuits cannot, for example). Being vegan will help prevent future viral pandemics, antibiotic resistant catastrophes, and climate change. You can start today...no need to wait for your government to do anything...just stop eating meats, milks and eggs.
I heard the words honesty and integrity have been removed from all dictionaries in China
How many died of starvation
Funny how 👍 is 10x 👎 yet critical comments are 95%+
Would like to see this updated. Especially future projections and where this is going.
10 million lives !!!!
Excess deaths are caused by lockdowns!!!
-Increase in suicide rates
-People not recieving hospital treatment
-Increased poverty
If you look at the number of total deaths, they don't seem to be higher than usual. And why all this testing? Why not spend that money on treating the ill? I really don't understand where the Economist is coming from.
You obviously have not looked at the total number of deaths. It seems you get your information from Fox News or similar Murdoch toxic sludge outlets.
@@Fomites I look at official figures published by respective authorities. The death toll for 2020 is marginally higher in some places, but hardly anything to justify lock-downs and other horrible violations of human rights.
@@carltornell best look at excess deaths in countries and remember these figures were after lockdowns.
@@garyspruce7736 Assuming that lockdowns make a difference? Macrotrends record no excess mortality for the world in total. If you look at individual western countries, it looks as if there were 10-15% more deaths than the average for recent years. If the Economist is right, how does 12 million Covid-19 deaths affect the yearly world death toll of around 55 million? It is surely not a net addition. I don't understand the purpose of the Economist publication here. What are they trying to say? I think they are on the brink of scare mongering.
@@carltornell looks to me they are trying to say that alot more people have died than being stated , that alot of countries have under reported deaths in the country. I don't think they are trying to scare monger . I find it interesting to compare how countries have reported it .
how about total covid death compared to death expected annually from statistica
Bhakts will definitely troll it.
There's more death rate for 2011 than for 2019 why?
Where ae they dying? The number of deceased are certainly not reflected in the obituaries of any major newspaper in America.
The vaccine rollout was a few months ago in India.
Strange how ‘covid’ has risen in parallel with the ‘vaccine’ rollout 😅
How many more deaths per year were there on average year after year. The trend had been increasing long before covid.
Dislikes are from Indians
Many of us like Economist
Actually it was found most dislikes happen when people accidently click dislike instead of like.
So, why are you so biased?
And at least one American, Trump!
No, wait, that guy's probably not watching this, it ain't Fox. And he wouldn't understand anyway.. 😁
@@oneshothunter9877 get rid of your TDS.
Imagine being racist.
Australia didn't have a lack of a flu season...they were misdiagnosed
How do you know the developing countries are mis-counting ? Did you count the death physically in that country ? Economist are always wrong in ‘estimating’ and projecting by computers!
Bla bla bla….., lies lies and more lies..
If there's aid to be had, best be sure to write the cause of death in the favorable font...
I can tell you, not enough that we’ve been locked down for the past 2 years
I guess talking about reality in Chinese fatalities is forbidden
Only in China.
mother nature is not happy with us
Could you answer the following problem.
Supposing there was a country with a stable population of 80 million people.
They had a life expectancy of 80 years with the age groups evenly
distributed through the population. The life expectancy in this country was to be
reduced to 79 years over four years by a disease which targeted the elderly.
(1) What would the excess mortality have been over those four years?
(2) How should such a transformation be managed?
Incidentally the life expectancy in Ireland increased by 2.5 years over the last twelve years,vastly swelling a cohort of people with challenged immune systems.
(3)Can it not decrease?
(4)Do you believe absolutely that these experimental vaccines developed over 10 months
are an elixir
To look at excess death can not in its own be explained or connected to the virus itself. Because we know that the developing world have death that to some extent are due to poverty coming out of the lack of income due to lock downs and such which can not explain how deadly the virus is, just how deadly the policies of dealing with the danger of the virus, and the developed world have different results depending on strategy chosen in fighting this danger the pandamic have been classified to be. So this model looks at first glance to simplify the narrative.. the real danger is cancer and that is not a infectious but rather depends on lifestyle, so why do not we do more to fight cancer than any flu virus that will return now and again...
The voice of the guy in the white shirt lowers as he speaks. You can't hear everything he is saying.
In the UK the daily death rate for jul/Aug is 4 times greater than the same time last year even though 73% of us are fully vaccinated
That's because we had been in lockdown for months prior to July / August. The number of infections went down extremely low st that point. So then it took longer for the infections to pick up, especially as people still weren't mixing as much.
Sigh, I don't think its that clear what caused the most deaths during those trying years. I believe, from my experience that the pandemic had more sociological effects, such as in mental health, which in turn caused more suicides during those years. I suppose you can call those covid related deaths as well. This is only one side of the whole story and from what it sounds like that poor doctor is kind of downplaying a lot. It just sounds like hes not too sure of what he is saying.
In my country they hid more.
So many didnt took covid test in my village but got medicines through middlemen
Can you tell us what medicines they are? (out of interest).
very useful content, however... if you're going to do more public presentations, you need a voice coach... the trailing off quiet speaking is extremely irritating and hard to follow. finish a sentence with confidence.
Go australia! Lockdowns don't seem so bad in the context of less excess deaths
I am curious to hear the female to male percentage of death
Great! I too have been saying the same thing again and again. There was no second or third or fourth wave... The numbers have been on the rise from last year. But the count has been ignored and forgotten for the past couple of months lethargically. While in the background the numbers kept increasing and the graph going high, most were like yes, lockdown is over and so is covid in India.And when the spike came in and spread the new variants ...all was lost. As usual at every turn there are the politicians and the people to be blamed.
Every country will have false figures. I am sure every country's number would be offcial numbers x 5-10 times.
All thanks to China!
A pandemic starting in a country is not the fault of that country - the Spanish Flu started in Kansas, USA. But the response is the responsibility of individual countries. The Trump Administration failed spectacularly.
@@Fomites Okay, so what you are implying is ...well its the worlds problem now? Because some sick fks could not stop eating fkng bats(or some thing else)?
So, if you have a bunch of nukes and it suddenly launches in all directions to nearby countries would you say " well its not our problem anymore? It's theirs!" Sorry, but I don't understand this logic. If the destruction is natures way then we can do nothing about it but if humans are the source then whomever it is they should be held accountable.
China should be held accountable!
Yes, every country did fail miserably in containing them, some took very little to no action because of various reasons. That does not mean that china could slip by easily saying hey we tried to keep it a secret and the world found out so its your responsiblity now!
@@Fomites destructive sand storm is expected in the near future. COVID-19, Start eating the Coronavirus antidote. The antidote to Coronavirus is available at..... There is.
@@Fomites China is at much higher risk of a starting a pandemic due to high contact with natural reservoirs of pathogens that potentially can cause pandemics. If you hunt and consume wild animals that are high risk factors, or keep farm animals in close contact with them, eventually you risk starting a pandemic.
Blaming them isn't that outlandish. Now of course there have been certain propaganda campaigns by certain politicians to push the blame to China instead of their own atrocious handling of the situation. China can't be blamed for everything either.
Rich people live
I doubt very much this is accurate work. If the the death toll was 4 times higher that would be a number that is so large that the mass graves and cremations necessary could not be concealed . I think the death toll is higher than reported but not 4 times as high .
Just going on the percentages if it was 12 million deaths then the hospital cases that would match to that number would have completely collapsed the hospital systems and that's not the case so far . Some countries are definitely lying about their stats and have worse death tolls than they report but 4 times higher across the whole World is a bit hard to believe .
Covid-19 deaths 2020: estimated 3 million (numbers have declined since)
Pneumonia deaths 2016: 3 million (numbers have risen since)
Panic over pneumonia 2021: 0
Panic over covid 2021: alot
🤔🤔🤔pneumonia can be caused by a variety of different infectious agents. Most Covid-19 death would be classified under pneumonia. It’s like saying lung cancer isn’t a problem because cancer in general kills more people. It’s a very dumb comparison to be honest.
@@againstviralmisinformation510 I don't think you got my point
In India they don’t count those floating down the Ganges. 🤓
Its undercounted by at least factor of 4x.
Independent journalist have found so much difference that is unimaginable.
There is also a substantial difference in the govt. death toll and the numbers kept by crematoriums
Computationally irreducible
Mathematics will find a way
on the date of July 14th I made a calculation by compiling all the independent sources and I arrive worldwide at about 15/16 million deaths
not enough
Ive heared that globally 6 million died and 700 000 in usa
And where did you *hear* this?