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Good grief Buckhouse. Lol this topic is not easy to discuss. Lol we do live in America. You want it then get it. You don’t want it then don’t. It’s that simple. Yea I know I’m jumping on one side here but it shouldn’t be forced on you to do one thing or the other. Your choice. Or as some hypocrites say “ My body, My choice”. Sorry John but I had to vent a bit. Haha
@@McStunna the only way they are making that choice is by demanding personal and private health information... without that? They could not tell the difference between the two.
@@tl7338 someone’s never heard of public school lol. Vaccines aren’t new and it’s the fault of everyone who’s able to get the shot but still won’t that this is even still a conversation at this point.. so fuck y’all, your choices have consequences. super sorry.
@@McStunna Public school is nothing but an indoctrination center. Looks like it worked well, case in point... Did you learn any history in public school? Maybe about a certain psycho tyrant with a little mustache? You should read about it, and how they asked to see people's papers.
The goal post for these policies has been moved so many times I've lost count. Not necessarily Vails but in general. We got to draw the line somewhere and I feel like its here before they say a certain group of people cant ride.
Something else worth mentioning is the double standard of having employees and guests prove vaccination status to enter the lodge yet only the employees have to wear masks? You can’t claim this is for everyone’s equal protection when you have two different sets of rules. Edit - I stand corrected. My b. Please ignore
The bar rule is very ambiguous. “bars will be open for the 2021-22 season, and we will be following all local public health guidance around vaccination or other requirements for our bars”. can’t tell what public health guidance around vac means Also this chat is very civil. Strange vail is focusing on playing doctor and giving medical advice mainly to cafeteria eaters
Yo JB!!! i think you should made more snowboarding news videos like this. It would be awesome to have a weekly/biweekly video just dedicated to snowboarding news. Itd be awesome to get your take on new gear from various brands, new mountians added to epic/ikon. Or really any news related to snowboarding. I dont see anyone else doing anything like covering snowboarding news like this. Keep the vids coming, so stoked for this winter!!!
Been a employee for Vail resorts for 4 years (which is a eternity here in Breck) Regardless of how you feel about the jab, you think your going to force a medical procedure on me? I'm out. And I'm far from the only one.
It is all outrageous, but living in summit, I still don't have much choice but to have an epic pass. Vail resorts will not see another penny of my money beyond the pass that I already paid for.
Wow they will lose a few grand from me in food and bev sales that I would gladly spend at the resort otherwise. So be it. Gonna be alot of picnics around the mountain this season.
I posted pics of me picnic'ing on the mountain last season. I had captions like Vail asking me to bringing my own food instead of them trying to sell me a $19 burger.
For some people this is no big thing. For others, including people like me who ARE vaccinated, showing papers of medical history in order to eat or forcing the same on employees is highly concerning. I will spend the winter eating out of our car before I will show my papers to eat a $20 chicken finger. I think we need to fight this stuff. I’m sad how many are ok with these sorts of requirements, regardless the stance on the vaccine or Covid, generally. It is not noble to force this sort of compliance, period.
It’s really not that big of a deal. This is a private company’s choice to make, and if we don’t like it we don’t have to participate. It is not our right to be able to ski and enjoy these resorts. They can mandate whatever they want. It is not “highly concerning” and it is not “forced compliance.” Y’all act like they’re requiring vaccines to go outside. First world problems.
@@ITPhilK I live in Bailey so Breck is a lot closer for me. However, by the time I park, wait in line for the bus and wait in the lift lines I could be shredding at Monarch.
They make the majority of their money off food and drink. I can see this biting them in the ass. They could just raise lift ticket prices to offset it. That would suck.
Funny reading the posts stating that some will spend NO money at Vail Resorts ever again. Vail Resorts doesn’t miss you or your money. They made more money offering less. PS : Read the back of your Season Pass, read it slow.
Legally, you are required to abide by the rules of the resort. Your selfish self shouldn’t be playing the my body my choice card, because you’re lucky that resorts are even giving you this opportunity. You not wearing a mask on their establishment would be like me being a guest to you’re house and messing everything up.
Major loss of profit again this season for sure. Vail is really only hurting themselves by making these mandatory. Seriously considering making the switch to the icon.
@BRABBlT yep. It’s a market share grab tactic. Their earnings report had their stock skyrocketing. Ikon is better in Colorado but elsewhere it can’t really compete
@@natswinter8917 I’m sorry you live in socal. I couldn’t get into pasedena one day because there was a few inches of snow at the grapevine. I can’t imagine running into that kind of traffic. One day I’ll go hit mammoth tho that mountain does look sick. Yea I used to hit Tahoe a lot and I just couldn’t give up northstar for Sierra at Tahoe. Ikon has always costed more too so have to consider that. They don’t have many cheaper regional passes
I have my keystone pass for my girl and me and I usually eat in my truck and bring my food so I’m good and if I don’t bring food I order pizza from the pizza parlor in front of keystones main entrance.
I’m not anti vaccine but it should be your personal choice on what drug is out in to your body. Most definitely shouldn’t mandate it to have freedoms to live life in America.
@@sollamander2206 that’s just plain stupid. Government can tell you what to to to your own body?????? I don’t think so. We live in AMERICA!!!! Not China or Australia!!! That makes no sense at all.
Indoor dining at your local resort isn’t part of your freedoms guaranteed in the constitution. It’s telling of our culture when I see Americans acting so dramatic over something that is such a first world problem. Honestly it’s embarrassing. Y’all act like they’re requiring vaccines to go outside. Just pack a lunch for Christ’s sake. They did away with the reservation systems and stopped requiring masks outdoors. You should be happy.
I am just grateful that this season looks better than last season.....bring your own food and save money. Food prices are more ridiculous than face coverings or vaccine shots.
they have mandated vaccines for all empolyees. As an seasonal employee i had the first shot months ago with a really bad reaction. My doctor told me not to take the second shot but now vail wont hire me....
Never had an epic pass, and was really looking forward to trying something new… but, Health mandates are the most egregious and tyrannical overreach that a corporation or government entity can impose. It’s a real shame vail is going this route. It’s a hard pass for me, I won’t be supporting a company that supports tyranny!!
I personally think the proof of vaccine rule is an infringement on people’s rights. I think people should have a choice and I personally respect anyone’s choices. That’s how I feel but I’m open to other opinions.
hopefully they will accept proof of antibodies and a recent recovery from infection also like a lot of states and countries. i literally had covid 3 weeks ago and my antibody levels are insanely high compared to someone who got vaccinated half a year ago in the spring...
Does anyone know of a COVID outbreak last season when there were NO vaccination mandates at a slope? Not in New England as far as I know. Let’s look at the data from 2020-2021. I am an instructor and teaching with a mask is difficult but I would do that again rather than be forced to get the vaxx. Thanks for the info, Johnathan🏂
All I seen is that they are requiring there employees to be vaccinated. But everything else I don’t remember, I think they put information on Facebook explaining, not to sure though.
honestly its just going to be a hassle, bringing your vaccination papers and then waiting in line for half an hour to get then checked, its just gonna slow down the lunch rush and make it so we have less time to shred and progress in our riding all for lunch!
I’m pretty sure you can just use an app for proof now. Considering how easily covid spreads and the fact that during winter people are more likely to get sick because they are more closely packed with less fresh air, requiring vaccination is a minor inconvenience in order to protect the employees and guests.
@@TheSpadre It is going to get interesting once the OSHA mandates come out. Where I work over half of the operations guys said they wouldn't test or get the shot. Hopefully, the winter isn't too rough, or getting the electrons to turn those lifts might get difficult.
I don't get why everyone's seems so pissed about this. I know a lot of people don't like vail but the health protocols are only there to prevent a deadly disease from spreading. I may be misunderstanding but it seems like a lot of people are really opposed to this when it seems like the right thing to do to save lives.
It's an invasion of privacy, and that's the bottom line. They're a private company and they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or support them with my money. And besides, the vaccine doesn't work as well as everyone thinks it does. You can still get and spread the virus, and natural immunity (for those who have had it already) is stronger than vaccine immunity. It's also been shown to spread more rapidly in vaccinated individuals, which might be contributing to the variations since there's more bodies for it to learn how to mutate in. It's a complex situation, and public health officials have been wrong every step of the way. Don't believe everything you hear.
So what I’m hearing is a lot less texans/front rangers eating on mountain?? Cool, sounds good to me. Make it mandatory just to be on the mountain too, would probably make the lines a lot more manageable! Pretty sure 90+% of summit is already vaxxed, so not a problem for locals
@@datamind1001 are you not concerned about them being majorly understaffed? They'd be lucky to barely have enough employees to have all their lifts open. We will see what BS excuses they have for their guests this year.
I live in Breck and wish I didn’t already have my summit value pass. I’d much rather drive out of county to support a any resort that supports its employees’ right to choose. I never eat or drink on the mountain anyway, so whatever, but staffing in the county is bad enough and with the mandate it will only get worse!
Do people go to the mountain to ride it or eat at the overpriced resort restaurant like come on people why are yall so upset 🤣 just don't go to the overpriced restaurant
You forgot about how VR forcing the jab on their employees will significantly cut the staff down. You will definitely be told "sorry, we're understaffed."
@@germansherman9395 Unfortunately, resort towns don't have the hospitals to accommodate for a surge of unvaccinated residents, or employees for this matter. I'm a hospital worker and see this disease daily, we are easily swamped in surges. This disease isn't necessarily about who will and who won't die, it's more about how the healthcare system is literally on the brink of collapse. I'm trying to stay apolitical btw, it's more of a numbers game for me. If too many fall ill, the resort town shuts down. We basically missed winter in Mammoth last year bc the town was shut down until mid-February.
I hope this backfired so hard , would be awesome if they are forced to reverse because they have no staff. Was going to work for them this winter to manage lodging but have switch and will be working in Dillon now
@@dootdoot1867 yeah, not just financial hit but unemployed. Vaccine is mandatory for employees and unfortunately for me I’ve chosen not to get it. Really sucks because I’ve worked at my mountain for 5 years and vail only acquired us last year
I do covid testing in FL, Two disturbing things: 1. My son had covid and when I tested him for antibodies, he produced one of the strongest antibodies tests I have ever done. I (being in the medical field) got 1 & 2 of the Pfizer vaccine shots and each month I test myself for antibodies and take an antigen test. I literally do not even register any antibodies and my antigen tests are always negative. Just seems like such a reactionary policy given the fact that we are both supposed to have antibodies that would in theory protect us but he's 100% and I don't even register. 2. Is my vaccination card good for life? 1 year? or the 6-8 months that we think the vaccination offers protection? So who's the problem...me or my son?
@@ivwshane no it hasnt. natural ones last longer, have more, and wider coverage than vaccine induced antibodies. look up the israel study released recently. 13 times the protection from a natural recovery. the only thing stronger was hybrid immunity, meaning a single vaccine dose after a natural infection and recovery
@@PhaseSkater The non peer reviewed study from Israel compared phizer to natural immunity and as I already stated moderna carried about three times the antibody load as phizer. Of course this ignores the one main glaring point in why someone should get vaccinated versus becoming naturally immune and that is, the potential to die from covid is much higher than if you were vaccinated. Not only that but the chance for hospitalization is also a lot higher and considering we are currently experiencing some really overwhelmed hospitals, that seems like a big deal. Unless you think health care rationing is what's best for the American people all because idiots refused to get vaccinated for mostly unfounded reasons.
@@PhaseSkater just ignore this @ivwshane. He doesn't want to look at science and is just pushing the narrative. I had Covid and I'm not interested in being a guinea pig. For some reason personal choice infuriates people like this guy.
kinda stupid bc first its winter cold af outside. then your outside zooming so rlly no point of the jabb and if u have the jab u can still get sick so >< not wit it
The chat seems politically skewed toward one side. As a rider, I would like to think that it's the same goals as last year: get as many days in and follow whatever rules needed to keep the mountains open. Everyone got shut down mid-March 2020. Last season Whistler closed late-March-2021. I wouldn't like to see a repeat.
Exactly Whistler got shutdown last year (I got it aswell was sick for a month to it really sucked and wish I got vax on time) and guess what they did after they waxed the whole town...no more outbreaks and everyone is safe...the amount of negative comments here is shocking
Just a suggestion you should go to mt bachelor this winter amazing park and overall amazing runs from what I’ve heard from friends who have rode the park and blacks a double blacks and all that
I don’t think it’s funny when people are needlessly dying because of stupidity. The Holocaust and nazi’s aren’t funny and neither is a disease that’s killed almost 700k people in the country.
@@ivwshane some ppl think everything is funny, some ppl look for reasons to be upset and spread that negative energy to others. Which are you? Do you even snowboard bro? You seem more like a skier to me…
Don't agree with it, but honestly after all these lost wages due to covid i won't be able to afford to buy resort food anyways. I don't think it will stop there. I can see mandatory vaccinations to use lifts in the future. Very unfortunate.
ok im just wondering is Park City Utah owned by Vail Resorts if it is i hope all of this stuff is gone in the next 10 years because im planning on working there
I'm in Alberta, but I'm sure the hills here are going to do similar, so that's 2 and a half seasons gone for me now. Guess it's good I have other hobbies, and started doing other health activates that don't require going to a particular place. Got myself an acreage... unfortunately it's flat :( otherwise I'd make my own place to snowboard.
Hey, I have been a snowboard instructor for 5 years. Last year vail acquired my mountain. During the winter I got Covid, I got over it in 3 days and didn’t return to work for 2 weeks after that. My mountain struggled for staff because they were getting payed more to not have a job than work at my mountain… Anyway, I’m really sad I won’t be able to work as an instructor this year because I’m not getting the vaccine. Only one other instructor was full time like me and he isn’t getting the vaccine either. Looks like my mountain will only be able to give lessons on the weekends.
Yep, if people want the shots they should be able to get them. If people go along with this, it will only embolden them more. It will only get worse. I already had the covid. I've seen too much weird stuff from vaccinated co-workers to really be interested. I was always told to wait till the second model year of a vehicle, and let them get the bugs worked out anyway.
@@eddiehardie8586 as much as I love being an instructor I’m using my freedom of choice. I have an apprenticeship lined up at an auto body shop that I was only gonna do until the winter started but it looks like that might become my actual job. I’m fine with that because I’d love a career in custom body stuff for cars.
@@eddiehardie8586 If that is someone's choice that is cool, but mandating an experimental injection is a bit odd, even for America. I didn't think it was your body, my choice, but I guess things change.
America doesn’t lead in anything and you are a prime example of why. Good old fashioned arrogance and ignorance. None of the vaccines are experimental btw.
Given the conditions most resort employees live in this is a good move. Employee housing is a breeding ground for all types of shit you dont want, and even children. People come from all over the country/world to visit those resorts and from a legal standpoint they are almost required to have their employees be as protected as possible. It is fda approved after all. I think the biggest issue summit county has is housing! Ive been looking for months and havent found anything!
@@samhagen8924 well sam, do they get/spread it at the same rate as unvaxxinated people? And when there is a breakthru case how often does the vaxxed person need to be hospitalized compared to someone whos not vaxxinated. If its even a fraction less it then becomes the companies legal obligation to protect their employees. I dont expect you to understand high level business law or even virology but i do expect you to care about the people who make your vacation as good as it is. Doesnt seem like too much to ask to be honest...
Most of us now I’m taking a wild guess here since I haven’t read the comments and don’t plan to, don’t give a F about them requiring vaccination to dine in. As long as the slopes are open we’re there.
There were a number of outbreaks at resorts last year, so I understand the caution. I wonder if employee group housing makes them extra nervous about staff outbreaks in an environment of a labor crunch
I think requiring vaccinations to eat inside is perfectly reasonable, if for no other reason than to protect their staff. I’d be even more stoked if it was a requirement to ride but I know the push back on that would be steep. good on vail for this move. Im getting an epic pass for the first time in over half a decade this year and im glad to see them taking sensible precautions. Also stoked about not having reservations.
Public schools: “Yo man you gotta be vaccinated to come here and you have to prove it.” Everyone: “Cool. No problem. Ski resorts: “Yo bro you gotta be vaccinated to come here and you gotta prove it.” Everyone: “WTF?!! Nazi!!!” 🤦🏻♂️
I think it’s crazy that I can go on a plane and sit next RIGHT NEXT to strangers or go to a Broncos game and not even have to wear a mask but I am required to show my vaccine card to eat in a restaurant on the mountain?! I think that Vail will get enough push back from this that they will retract this statement. We’re eating a burger, not flying to Mexico. It’s absurd to make people have a vaccination to eat indoors. Especially when 50% of the time dining outside is miserable on the slopes.
Hey Johnathan!! Thanks for sharing!! It won't affect the ski seasons. People will adapt. If they can't or won't be vaccinated they'll do lunch differently but vaccination will not stop people from skiing that i am certain off! As to my opinion with vaccination, it is what it is. I think it's fruitless to debate over it. Sadly many people have been negatively affected on a much larger scale with families and job loss involved (I am a flight crew and love BC and snowboarding in Whistler), and vaccination is the only way for us to go forward with Covid amongst us. I am vaccinated, whether i think it is a good thing or not, but it has reopened doors for me that were closed for a year and a half. Life goes on! Can't wait to find snow again! Keep shredding for us in the mean time! Love your vids.
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Yeah you probably should just turn off comments on this vid.
@@kittyislandadventure fact's hahaha
Vail Resorts Sucks and prefers Jerry anyhow
Good grief Buckhouse. Lol this topic is not easy to discuss. Lol we do live in America. You want it then get it. You don’t want it then don’t. It’s that simple. Yea I know I’m jumping on one side here but it shouldn’t be forced on you to do one thing or the other. Your choice. Or as some hypocrites say “ My body, My choice”. Sorry John but I had to vent a bit. Haha
Won’t lie. I can do without the $40 chicken tenders all week. 🤣
I can do without that for the rest of my life.
The logic behind mandating the vaxx doesn’t make much sense to me! Should be an individual’s choice
My health choices are my health choices. Not a companies choice.
Fine. By that same logic it’s a private business’ choice who they offer their services to 🤷🏼♂️
@@McStunna so you agree with a business being able to discriminate based on a person's biological makeup? Got it.
@@McStunna the only way they are making that choice is by demanding personal and private health information... without that? They could not tell the difference between the two.
@@tl7338 someone’s never heard of public school lol. Vaccines aren’t new and it’s the fault of everyone who’s able to get the shot but still won’t that this is even still a conversation at this point.. so fuck y’all, your choices have consequences. super sorry.
@@McStunna Public school is nothing but an indoctrination center. Looks like it worked well, case in point...
Did you learn any history in public school? Maybe about a certain psycho tyrant with a little mustache? You should read about it, and how they asked to see people's papers.
The goal post for these policies has been moved so many times I've lost count. Not necessarily Vails but in general. We got to draw the line somewhere and I feel like its here before they say a certain group of people cant ride.
Something else worth mentioning is the double standard of having employees and guests prove vaccination status to enter the lodge yet only the employees have to wear masks? You can’t claim this is for everyone’s equal protection when you have two different sets of rules.
Edit - I stand corrected. My b. Please ignore
@@Ggzerbe4 masks are required indoors unless eating
@@Ggzerbe4 everyone has to wear masks indoors, not just employees
@@tylerfryar2917 yup. I got this wrong. Thanks
theres a resort here in ontario where u cant ride unless your vaxed
If y’all don’t wanna get vaccinated that’s fine, take the risk and don’t restrict peoples individual choice! What happened to freedom?
Exactly!!
Preach my man.
I mean personally imma get vaccinated but y’all can’t punish people who are wary of getting the vaccine, especially if they got health conditions
@@bebetter1167 Can’t explain to these people they didn’t pay attention in science class.
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Nothing was made in a chyknees lab, guy. Kokopuff19 is 100 PERCENT debunked buIIshit.
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F that, I'll ski and spend ZERO dollars at any of the establishments, ZERO $ !!!
Vail sucks
Currently trying to get a refund on my Epic pass and going to get an ikon pass
Hope they let u
Post here if you are sucessful.
@@TheSpadre will do
They wont refund you. Good luck
Hopefully it’s not too late for a credit card refund for your transaction
I'm ok with not eating in resturaunts. If vaccination ends up being required to ride the chairs, i'll be refunding my pass.
The bar rule is very ambiguous. “bars will be open for the 2021-22 season, and we will be following all local public health guidance around vaccination or other requirements for our bars”. can’t tell what public health guidance around vac means
Also this chat is very civil. Strange vail is focusing on playing doctor and giving medical advice mainly to cafeteria eaters
Yo JB!!! i think you should made more snowboarding news videos like this. It would be awesome to have a weekly/biweekly video just dedicated to snowboarding news. Itd be awesome to get your take on new gear from various brands, new mountians added to epic/ikon. Or really any news related to snowboarding. I dont see anyone else doing anything like covering snowboarding news like this. Keep the vids coming, so stoked for this winter!!!
Been a employee for Vail resorts for 4 years (which is a eternity here in Breck) Regardless of how you feel about the jab, you think your going to force a medical procedure on me? I'm out. And I'm far from the only one.
It is all outrageous, but living in summit, I still don't have much choice but to have an epic pass. Vail resorts will not see another penny of my money beyond the pass that I already paid for.
am i being told i cant pay $12 for a slice of pizza?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like a blessing in disguise to me lol. We can all just bbq in the parking lot
Wow they will lose a few grand from me in food and bev sales that I would gladly spend at the resort otherwise. So be it. Gonna be alot of picnics around the mountain this season.
I posted pics of me picnic'ing on the mountain last season. I had captions like Vail asking me to bringing my own food instead of them trying to sell me a $19 burger.
For some people this is no big thing. For others, including people like me who ARE vaccinated, showing papers of medical history in order to eat or forcing the same on employees is highly concerning. I will spend the winter eating out of our car before I will show my papers to eat a $20 chicken finger. I think we need to fight this stuff. I’m sad how many are ok with these sorts of requirements, regardless the stance on the vaccine or Covid, generally. It is not noble to force this sort of compliance, period.
It’s really not that big of a deal. This is a private company’s choice to make, and if we don’t like it we don’t have to participate. It is not our right to be able to ski and enjoy these resorts. They can mandate whatever they want. It is not “highly concerning” and it is not “forced compliance.” Y’all act like they’re requiring vaccines to go outside. First world problems.
I got the Monarch Pass this year to give the smaller resorts a chance. Vail Resorts really sharted the bed last season.
Vail shit the bed years ago. They have made every mountain they bought considerably worse, and treat their employee's like shit.
Monarch is amazing. It’s my choice even though Breck is closer.
@@ITPhilK I live in Bailey so Breck is a lot closer for me. However, by the time I park, wait in line for the bus and wait in the lift lines I could be shredding at Monarch.
What’s monarch cover ?
Bring your lunch and beers with you and go to your car, this will hit Vail resorts bottom line.
They make the majority of their money off food and drink.
I can see this biting them in the ass. They could just raise lift ticket prices to offset it. That would suck.
Funny reading the posts stating that some will spend NO money at Vail Resorts ever again. Vail Resorts doesn’t miss you or your money. They made more money offering less. PS : Read the back of your Season Pass, read it slow.
I think it is wrong for it to make in mandatory
MY BODY MY CHOICE!!! Right?
They forgot that they were pushing that narrative a little over a year ago. Maybe the vaccine is affecting their memory?
It's a private business, they can do whatever they want
Legally, you are required to abide by the rules of the resort. Your selfish self shouldn’t be playing the my body my choice card, because you’re lucky that resorts are even giving you this opportunity. You not wearing a mask on their establishment would be like me being a guest to you’re house and messing everything up.
in typical vail fashion they released this right after their 20% discount ended got all the suckers trying to save money
Did they not save money? So how are they suckers then?
@@ivwshane I believe it is because they are locked in and can't switch to another resort/chain, easily.
@@joshuawoodruff1052 yeah, that’s a legitimate gripe then.
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That's true.
Y'know what else is true ?
Kokopuff19 is debunked h0rsesh1t.
One hundred percent.
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Major loss of profit again this season for sure. Vail is really only hurting themselves by making these mandatory. Seriously considering making the switch to the icon.
You clearly don’t understand how much money they made last season
Half of the money comes from outside us. Vail is a tourist spot
@BRABBlT yep. It’s a market share grab tactic. Their earnings report had their stock skyrocketing. Ikon is better in Colorado but elsewhere it can’t really compete
@@alexs825 Ikon is wayyy better for SoCal
@@natswinter8917 I’m sorry you live in socal. I couldn’t get into pasedena one day because there was a few inches of snow at the grapevine. I can’t imagine running into that kind of traffic. One day I’ll go hit mammoth tho that mountain does look sick. Yea I used to hit Tahoe a lot and I just couldn’t give up northstar for Sierra at Tahoe. Ikon has always costed more too so have to consider that. They don’t have many cheaper regional passes
I have my keystone pass for my girl and me and I usually eat in my truck and bring my food so I’m good and if I don’t bring food I order pizza from the pizza parlor in front of keystones main entrance.
Pizza on the run is great pizza.
You're good now. How long will it be until they restrict something that will effect you and the rest of us ?
I won't be dining in. So it's their loss.
I’m not anti vaccine but it should be your personal choice on what drug is out in to your body. Most definitely shouldn’t mandate it to have freedoms to live life in America.
that's not really how we've ever treated vaccines. The Supreme court ruled on it in the 1920s
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Yea, they've ruled on alot of things.
Making what you're saying here
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@@sollamander2206 that’s just plain stupid. Government can tell you what to to to your own body?????? I don’t think so. We live in AMERICA!!!! Not China or Australia!!! That makes no sense at all.
Sure, unless you are a woman, then government has the right to tell you what you can and can’t do with your body, right?
Indoor dining at your local resort isn’t part of your freedoms guaranteed in the constitution. It’s telling of our culture when I see Americans acting so dramatic over something that is such a first world problem. Honestly it’s embarrassing. Y’all act like they’re requiring vaccines to go outside. Just pack a lunch for Christ’s sake. They did away with the reservation systems and stopped requiring masks outdoors. You should be happy.
Like some of these mandates, it makes zero sense.
I actually like the fact that they are kicking people out of the lodge. Too many people want to sit in the lodge and look cute all day, not skiing.
I am just grateful that this season looks better than last season.....bring your own food and save money. Food prices are more ridiculous than face coverings or vaccine shots.
they have mandated vaccines for all empolyees. As an seasonal employee i had the first shot months ago with a really bad reaction. My doctor told me not to take the second shot but now vail wont hire me....
They violate Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Absolutely discriminatory!
@@mgronda410 that act technically only covers discrimination against race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
one year later-ish ... how are the mountains now ❓ is it still somewhat messy
Never had an epic pass, and was really looking forward to trying something new… but, Health mandates are the most egregious and tyrannical overreach that a corporation or government entity can impose. It’s a real shame vail is going this route. It’s a hard pass for me, I won’t be supporting a company that supports tyranny!!
Makes sense. It probably explains why the highest vaccinated countries are all ran by dictators.
/s
I don’t have enough face palms for this comment.
Imagine supporting Vail
I personally think the proof of vaccine rule is an infringement on people’s rights. I think people should have a choice and I personally respect anyone’s choices. That’s how I feel but I’m open to other opinions.
Anyone with common sense should see that Covid is a lie
@@jamiepippin3892 how true
@@jamiepippin3892 its not a lie. its real. i had it a few weeks ago. it sucked. but it only kills people who were already dying slowly in other ways
They're shooting themselves in the foot 2 years in a row.
Not according to their stocks ;)
Lmao they did just fine last season
Wow that’s some bs
hopefully they will accept proof of antibodies and a recent recovery from infection also like a lot of states and countries. i literally had covid 3 weeks ago and my antibody levels are insanely high compared to someone who got vaccinated half a year ago in the spring...
Highly unlikely. This was never about a vaccine or saving lives. This was about bringing down our financial system and implementing a Communism.
@@RusskiCommieBot sad, but true. 😒
@@RusskiCommieBot facts brother facts, lets make light of the situation.. Can we please have time travel by 2028 lol
Oh boy these comments should be fun
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Not for me.
I'm over talking about DEBUNKED-19 and the pretenDemic.
I feel obligated to, though.
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Not for me.
I'm over talking about DEBUNKED-19 and the pretenDemic.
I feel obligated to, though.
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“ Per our new guidelines and safety risks we will now be in fact doubling our food prices once again”
Does anyone know of a COVID outbreak last season when there were NO vaccination mandates at a slope? Not in New England as far as I know. Let’s look at the data from 2020-2021. I am an instructor and teaching with a mask is difficult but I would do that again rather than be forced to get the vaxx. Thanks for the info, Johnathan🏂
@@oldhead-stillshred8537 right?! Hang in there.
When are you going to Tahoe squaw/alpine?
loss of profits for sure
Lol it’s fucking vail pretty sure they’ll be fine
idk man, they’ll probably go bankrupt.
@@sauceracing there stock has keeps on rises so I doubt it
They probably already made tons on the discount epic pass lol
@@MrReborn12345 its all public so I'm sure you could find out. I'm to lazy to look
Johnathan thanks for putting out this info brother! Do you know if A Basin is planning anything similar?
All I seen is that they are requiring there employees to be vaccinated. But everything else I don’t remember, I think they put information on Facebook explaining, not to sure though.
honestly its just going to be a hassle, bringing your vaccination papers and then waiting in line for half an hour to get then checked, its just gonna slow down the lunch rush and make it so we have less time to shred and progress in our riding all for lunch!
I’m pretty sure you can just use an app for proof now.
Considering how easily covid spreads and the fact that during winter people are more likely to get sick because they are more closely packed with less fresh air, requiring vaccination is a minor inconvenience in order to protect the employees and guests.
@@ivwshane good point
Ah, so Vail has chosen bankruptcy this year.
Love the MC helmet, Johnathan!
yet there stock keeps going up
No, actually - It's the opposite and their stocks show.
So are there any provisions for folks who had COVID?
Nope, suffer with the unvaccinated. You are after all, unvaccinated. Even though you are better protected than them. Crazy.
@@TheSpadre It is going to get interesting once the OSHA mandates come out. Where I work over half of the operations guys said they wouldn't test or get the shot. Hopefully, the winter isn't too rough, or getting the electrons to turn those lifts might get difficult.
They’ll never get a dime of me or my families money
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I can do w out greasy food. However I wont be taking my family and spending a dollar inside to eat.
Just sew this yellow star onto your parka and you're good to go.
"Papers please!"
Employees are mandated not us free citizens 😂 I don’t eat there 30$ Rat tenders anyways 😂
I don't get why everyone's seems so pissed about this. I know a lot of people don't like vail but the health protocols are only there to prevent a deadly disease from spreading. I may be misunderstanding but it seems like a lot of people are really opposed to this when it seems like the right thing to do to save lives.
It's an invasion of privacy, and that's the bottom line. They're a private company and they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or support them with my money.
And besides, the vaccine doesn't work as well as everyone thinks it does. You can still get and spread the virus, and natural immunity (for those who have had it already) is stronger than vaccine immunity. It's also been shown to spread more rapidly in vaccinated individuals, which might be contributing to the variations since there's more bodies for it to learn how to mutate in.
It's a complex situation, and public health officials have been wrong every step of the way. Don't believe everything you hear.
So what I’m hearing is a lot less texans/front rangers eating on mountain?? Cool, sounds good to me. Make it mandatory just to be on the mountain too, would probably make the lines a lot more manageable!
Pretty sure 90+% of summit is already vaxxed, so not a problem for locals
I’m just stoked the lifts will be back to normal!
Don't get yer hopes up, bud.
@@SugmaDLigmaNutz okay, guy.
@@datamind1001 are you not concerned about them being majorly understaffed? They'd be lucky to barely have enough employees to have all their lifts open. We will see what BS excuses they have for their guests this year.
I live in Breck and wish I didn’t already have my summit value pass. I’d much rather drive out of county to support a any resort that supports its employees’ right to choose. I never eat or drink on the mountain anyway, so whatever, but staffing in the county is bad enough and with the mandate it will only get worse!
No face covering outside is so much better
I can’t afford vials food anyways
Well, good thing I ride Aspen instead.
Don't think it'll stay that way for long. Aspen has been ruthless with COVID protocols the past few weeks so who knows.
I was going to go but now I’m not I can’t wear a mask
Do people go to the mountain to ride it or eat at the overpriced resort restaurant like come on people why are yall so upset 🤣 just don't go to the overpriced restaurant
For real
You forgot about how VR forcing the jab on their employees will significantly cut the staff down. You will definitely be told "sorry, we're understaffed."
@@SugmaDLigmaNutz just get vaccinated plain and simple
@@MrReborn12345 not that simple. They are now not an equal opportunity employer if they are discriminating against vaxed and unvaxed.
@@SugmaDLigmaNutz aww boo hoo you gonna cry
Yup pack the cooler and roll out fuck them I’ll still be shredding and then kickin it at my truck
Maybe the vaccine mandate will keep the lift lines down from all those boycotting 🤞🏻😂🤞🏻
Unfortunately there will only be 1 lift open because they mandated the vaccine for employees so there goes half the staff
@@germansherman9395 Unfortunately, resort towns don't have the hospitals to accommodate for a surge of unvaccinated residents, or employees for this matter. I'm a hospital worker and see this disease daily, we are easily swamped in surges. This disease isn't necessarily about who will and who won't die, it's more about how the healthcare system is literally on the brink of collapse.
I'm trying to stay apolitical btw, it's more of a numbers game for me. If too many fall ill, the resort town shuts down. We basically missed winter in Mammoth last year bc the town was shut down until mid-February.
Appreciate this video🙌🏻
Sticker mandate, lmao
Yes So funny!
I hope this backfired so hard , would be awesome if they are forced to reverse because they have no staff. Was going to work for them this winter to manage lodging but have switch and will be working in Dillon now
stop by walmart buy some cliff bars and skip the left over fries for $15 bux... see ya... will miss drinking the fountain soda for free ....
Do we know if you’ll need vaccination proof to take lessons? My wife was planning on lessons this season and this may change things.
In the letter I got from vail ceo.. yes lessons will need proof of vaccinations.
@@dootdoot1867 Holy crap. That is ridiculous.
@@TheSpadre agreed. More sad for all the talented instructors who will have a financial hit because of it.
@@dootdoot1867 thx for the reply. Looks like I’ll be her instructor this season. 🤣🤣
@@dootdoot1867 yeah, not just financial hit but unemployed. Vaccine is mandatory for employees and unfortunately for me I’ve chosen not to get it. Really sucks because I’ve worked at my mountain for 5 years and vail only acquired us last year
Do you or anyone else in the comments know if Copper released their 21-22 guidelines for Covid? I couldn't find anything
I do covid testing in FL, Two disturbing things:
1. My son had covid and when I tested him for antibodies, he produced one of the strongest antibodies tests I have ever done. I (being in the medical field) got 1 & 2 of the Pfizer vaccine shots and each month I test myself for antibodies and take an antigen test. I literally do not even register any antibodies and my antigen tests are always negative. Just seems like such a reactionary policy given the fact that we are both supposed to have antibodies that would in theory protect us but he's 100% and I don't even register.
2. Is my vaccination card good for life? 1 year? or the 6-8 months that we think the vaccination offers protection?
So who's the problem...me or my son?
The moderna vaccine has like triple the antibodies as phizer. Also it’s been reported that the natural antibodies don’t last as long in the system.
@@ivwshane no it hasnt. natural ones last longer, have more, and wider coverage than vaccine induced antibodies. look up the israel study released recently. 13 times the protection from a natural recovery. the only thing stronger was hybrid immunity, meaning a single vaccine dose after a natural infection and recovery
@@PhaseSkater
The non peer reviewed study from Israel compared phizer to natural immunity and as I already stated moderna carried about three times the antibody load as phizer.
Of course this ignores the one main glaring point in why someone should get vaccinated versus becoming naturally immune and that is, the potential to die from covid is much higher than if you were vaccinated. Not only that but the chance for hospitalization is also a lot higher and considering we are currently experiencing some really overwhelmed hospitals, that seems like a big deal. Unless you think health care rationing is what's best for the American people all because idiots refused to get vaccinated for mostly unfounded reasons.
@@PhaseSkater just ignore this @ivwshane. He doesn't want to look at science and is just pushing the narrative. I had Covid and I'm not interested in being a guinea pig. For some reason personal choice infuriates people like this guy.
Natural immunity is not discussed enough.
NO MORE RESERVATION SYSTEM, WOOOOOO!! When i saw that email it made me so happy lol
I’m a resort employee. I’m all for the reservations system for dining! It just gets people in to get and eat their food, and the get out.
Covid kool-aid? Neh it’s just a way to keep their clientele exclusive
kinda stupid bc first its winter cold af outside. then your outside zooming so rlly no point of the jabb and if u have the jab u can still get sick so >< not wit it
The chat seems politically skewed toward one side. As a rider, I would like to think that it's the same goals as last year: get as many days in and follow whatever rules needed to keep the mountains open. Everyone got shut down mid-March 2020. Last season Whistler closed late-March-2021. I wouldn't like to see a repeat.
Exactly Whistler got shutdown last year (I got it aswell was sick for a month to it really sucked and wish I got vax on time) and guess what they did after they waxed the whole town...no more outbreaks and everyone is safe...the amount of negative comments here is shocking
Honestly I wish everyone had this much sense
Good for Vail 👏👏I don’t need selfish idiots ruining my season
Lol have fun losing a lot of business and employees jokes on you vail !
Just a suggestion you should go to mt bachelor this winter amazing park and overall amazing runs from what I’ve heard from friends who have rode the park and blacks a double blacks and all that
In my best German nazi accent: show us zee peppers now
Lol
So you think requiring something that saves lives is similar to a regime that murdered millions of people? Wtf is wrong with you?
@@ivwshane JB said don’t start fights in comments if you didn’t like the comment don’t say anything about it. He was making a joke :)
I don’t think it’s funny when people are needlessly dying because of stupidity.
The Holocaust and nazi’s aren’t funny and neither is a disease that’s killed almost 700k people in the country.
@@ivwshane some ppl think everything is funny, some ppl look for reasons to be upset and spread that negative energy to others. Which are you? Do you even snowboard bro? You seem more like a skier to me…
Why do y’all hate texans so much 💀😂
Don't agree with it, but honestly after all these lost wages due to covid i won't be able to afford to buy resort food anyways.
I don't think it will stop there. I can see mandatory vaccinations to use lifts in the future. Very unfortunate.
not surprised that vail doesn't recognize science. the name reason they dont use snowmax.
ok im just wondering is Park City Utah owned by Vail Resorts if it is i hope all of this stuff is gone in the next 10 years because im planning on working there
I'm in Alberta, but I'm sure the hills here are going to do similar, so that's 2 and a half seasons gone for me now. Guess it's good I have other hobbies, and started doing other health activates that don't require going to a particular place.
Got myself an acreage... unfortunately it's flat :( otherwise I'd make my own place to snowboard.
Hey, I have been a snowboard instructor for 5 years. Last year vail acquired my mountain. During the winter I got Covid, I got over it in 3 days and didn’t return to work for 2 weeks after that. My mountain struggled for staff because they were getting payed more to not have a job than work at my mountain…
Anyway, I’m really sad I won’t be able to work as an instructor this year because I’m not getting the vaccine. Only one other instructor was full time like me and he isn’t getting the vaccine either.
Looks like my mountain will only be able to give lessons on the weekends.
Yep, if people want the shots they should be able to get them. If people go along with this, it will only embolden them more. It will only get worse. I already had the covid. I've seen too much weird stuff from vaccinated co-workers to really be interested. I was always told to wait till the second model year of a vehicle, and let them get the bugs worked out anyway.
Just get the vaccine then
@@eddiehardie8586 as much as I love being an instructor I’m using my freedom of choice. I have an apprenticeship lined up at an auto body shop that I was only gonna do until the winter started but it looks like that might become my actual job. I’m fine with that because I’d love a career in custom body stuff for cars.
@@eddiehardie8586 If that is someone's choice that is cool, but mandating an experimental injection is a bit odd, even for America. I didn't think it was your body, my choice, but I guess things change.
America doesn’t lead in anything and you are a prime example of why. Good old fashioned arrogance and ignorance.
None of the vaccines are experimental btw.
Not going to any vail resort this year.
IKON pass this year!
Given the conditions most resort employees live in this is a good move. Employee housing is a breeding ground for all types of shit you dont want, and even children. People come from all over the country/world to visit those resorts and from a legal standpoint they are almost required to have their employees be as protected as possible. It is fda approved after all. I think the biggest issue summit county has is housing! Ive been looking for months and havent found anything!
My man
But Vaxxed people can still get and spread covid sooooo?!! Your point?
FDA 😂😂 okkkk
Great argument, the employees are put in shit housing so they should be vaccinated... Great take
@@samhagen8924 well sam, do they get/spread it at the same rate as unvaxxinated people? And when there is a breakthru case how often does the vaxxed person need to be hospitalized compared to someone whos not vaxxinated. If its even a fraction less it then becomes the companies legal obligation to protect their employees. I dont expect you to understand high level business law or even virology but i do expect you to care about the people who make your vacation as good as it is. Doesnt seem like too much to ask to be honest...
Most of us now I’m taking a wild guess here since I haven’t read the comments and don’t plan to, don’t give a F about them requiring vaccination to dine in. As long as the slopes are open we’re there.
That will all change once they lose a bunch of money when no one is dining
I hope a lot of unvaccinated people boycott vail resorts so I can have more of the mountain to myself. Thanks!!
That’s what I was thinking lol
Exactly!
Maybe this will keep out all the jerks from Texas.
@@miketee8415 oof..😅 I’m from Texas and I’m vaxxed lol. I’ll catch y’all at copper this winter where I’ll be a lifty 😇🤘🏼
@@tylerfryar2917 Sorry, I only meant the jerks from Texas! Hey you should have picked Keystone, work at the gondola at night...anyway take it easy!
There were a number of outbreaks at resorts last year, so I understand the caution. I wonder if employee group housing makes them extra nervous about staff outbreaks in an environment of a labor crunch
I think requiring vaccinations to eat inside is perfectly reasonable, if for no other reason than to protect their staff. I’d be even more stoked if it was a requirement to ride but I know the push back on that would be steep. good on vail for this move. Im getting an epic pass for the first time in over half a decade this year and im glad to see them taking sensible precautions. Also stoked about not having reservations.
Pureblood here
Public schools: “Yo man you gotta be vaccinated to come here and you have to prove it.”
Everyone: “Cool. No problem.
Ski resorts: “Yo bro you gotta be vaccinated to come here and you gotta prove it.”
Everyone: “WTF?!! Nazi!!!”
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I know man everyone's freaking about this vaccine and they are required to get some many to just live in this country
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Go to big sky this szn
Thank God I got the ikon pass!
Papiere, bitte
I think it’s crazy that I can go on a plane and sit next RIGHT NEXT to strangers or go to a Broncos game and not even have to wear a mask but I am required to show my vaccine card to eat in a restaurant on the mountain?!
I think that Vail will get enough push back from this that they will retract this statement. We’re eating a burger, not flying to Mexico. It’s absurd to make people have a vaccination to eat indoors. Especially when 50% of the time dining outside is miserable on the slopes.
Hey Johnathan!! Thanks for sharing!! It won't affect the ski seasons. People will adapt. If they can't or won't be vaccinated they'll do lunch differently but vaccination will not stop people from skiing that i am certain off! As to my opinion with vaccination, it is what it is. I think it's fruitless to debate over it. Sadly many people have been negatively affected on a much larger scale with families and job loss involved (I am a flight crew and love BC and snowboarding in Whistler), and vaccination is the only way for us to go forward with Covid amongst us. I am vaccinated, whether i think it is a good thing or not, but it has reopened doors for me that were closed for a year and a half. Life goes on! Can't wait to find snow again! Keep shredding for us in the mean time! Love your vids.