2-PLAYER STARTER SET Early Look!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2024
- Konami sent me the upcoming 2-Player Starter Set! Today we're going to see how the scripted duel works and also take a look at the two decks!
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Well this might be nice to introduce someone to the game. But advertising it as "You can play a tournament with them" is hard cap
What do you mean? Any collection of 40 cards can be brought to a tournament. Doesn't necessarily mean you'll do well, but you can.
You CAN play tournament. Wether you'll do well in it or not is a whole other question though.
@@EggOfNobleArms it says “play”, i dont think youll even get a turn to play yugioh with either of these decks 😂
imagine encouraging people to show up to tournaments with 4 extra deck monsters and a bunch of vanillas.
This shit even wouldn’t be nice for a newcomer. Most of ‘em ain’t gonna read that wordy ass comic.
Purely as a tutorial, I think it's not a terrible idea...but what they should have done is had a 2nd set of cards that is archetypal to do the "intermediate" duel. Then can shuffle and play as you want with a prefab deck.
I'm sure Konami has something like this somewhere down the line, but I think they should release more tutorial products.
Just buy another product pepega
The intermediate product would be then the structure decks I would imagine
@@AllThingsEntertaining they should have just waited then and have a full line of tutorial products out at once and given an order to play them in, cause with how this is right now, what do the people do now after this tutorial? the gap between this and a structure deck is worlds apart.
@@kr555wizard Well, ideally, after learning how to play the game, they would go to Walmart, then buy the Fire King structure deck with their friend and learn how to play with that deck too. They might check out their locals, and see what's up. I can't speak for every locals, but mine is pretty accepting of newbie players, and generally will try to help them the best they can.
Having Zeus in that product is pretty cool. Definitely a must buy if you want to get him even if you already know the game.
A used Zeus in tcgplayer - 14
This crap product - 20
LOL
Honestly just wait for product to come out and see if Zeus drops, which it should
They should also make a set where it teaches everyone about card texts and how the affect the game. Costs, spell speeds, etc etc
There should have been a part where someone plays a normal spell, the other player responds with a trap, the first player uses a quickplay spell, and the second player uses a counter trap. Then the tutorial could walk backwards through the chain and explain the concept of spell speeds.
Pokemon has a lot of success with it's 2-player sets. If you have more than one kid, there is massive appeal to parents to get them a 2-player game. whether that translates to them giving the game a shot, who knows. I think it's a step in the right direction.
Oh you mean the Battle Academy set
I really like the idea of this most of my friends have been really hesitant on learning yugioh and i don’t blame that at all but this could be a really fun and interesting way to get them into the game in a more casual way
This is cute.
General unabashed cuteness that is so off the beaten trail for the time.
I hope it can do something for lowering the entry barrier.
I’m also not expecting people to jump into the game via the meta, but it does need some help in the near future.
We need to be showing new players what a true modern YGO experience is like - we need one of these decks to have Desires in the opening hand, every copy of the deck’s most important 3-of starter located somewhere between cards 6-15, and 2 additional copies of Desires as cards 16 + 17 to draw into.
Dude is so salty he even did the math
I mean, having THIS is a step towards that. The issue is: how expensive is this product in the first place?
$20? Well hopefully it remains that low so that people can have AN entry point to yu-gi-oh that doesn't involve, best case scenario, skydiving into the center of a deep lake and from there learning how to swim. At least here you're getting them to go towards the center slowly from the shore of the lake, so they aren't as likely to drown.
@@KuroeNezumi I think it will cost about $10 since that is what structure decks cost
Someone should make a short with this idea😂
Pokemon had this a few years back with a Lycanrock vs. Corviknight deck that did the same thing. After the first teaching match, they then tell you to shuffle up and try again to see if you get the same result. For new players, I think this is great.
MtG also has something similar with yearly starter kits.
@@Reluxthelegend but unlike yugioh, those are more cohesive decks and not a jumble of stuff put together with a scripted string.
i would love this product more if it was a duel decks of 2 simple archetypes, idk, like zombies vs angels or something easy like that, but which also lets you build from there.
This two player deck idea is a really cool concept. I hope they create more of these to explain other mechanics. Maybe they could have two more decks with Link and Pendulum monsters, then another one with Rituals and Fusions, then move on to more intermediate strategies and concepts. This also does another thing too. If you're an experienced player, you can inform them that Mannadium or Eldlich have their own strategies associated with them beyond this starter kit. Overall this is a good product. It's not for the competitive players, or even those looking for new reprints and stuff, because that's not the intention of this product.
I fully agree. I hope we see more products like this in the future. Expecially products which actually introduce new players to how modern day Yugioh actually plays and not just "summon luster dragon, set one, pass".
I will be getting this set and playing a bit with my partner, if not just for the cheap Visas, intro to Mannadium and the Zeus
Maybe make them a little more in theme, and we have potential with these.
It will sound consumist and capitalist, but the way to show that we want more products like this is to talk about them and buying them xd
@@FromTheDeck I think instead of communism, you should use socialist.
If communism were Yugioh, it'd be every gets same deck, no one get good deck.
But yeah, I can see potential value should they do this a second time through refining how the strategies are packed and/or introducing more coherent decks.
(As in: Normal Monster beat down, Flip control, Synchro turbo, XYZ towers, Fusion, Rituals somehow, link, etc, but try to keep them at a certain level of power fit for defining the modern gameplay while not being too confusing.)
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 Dark Magician basically has Fusion, Xyz, Ritual, and you can still add any generic Synchro and Link here. Blue-Eyes also has Synchro, Ritual, Fusion, and can add Link and Xyz.
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The other good option is Magikey. Or Odd-eyes if they want to teach Pendulum too.
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I prefer Konami create a real deck, not just a random cards like this. They cannot teach a good deck building with this.
I like this idea a lot. Great way to teach someone yugioh. I hope they expand on this concept more.
Reminds me of the legacy deck in Betrayal Legacy where as you work through it you add more rules to the game
Honestly, for as many people are poopooing on these, I think this is actually really solid for learning the game. The decks look way more competent than any of the older starter decks, and some of the reprints are really solid. Obviously, Zeus who's worth almost the cost of the decks alone, but Coral Dragon is another decent card. You can't take these decks and bring them to locals like you could an upgraded Structure deck, but this seems like a really solid way to teach friends the game and a good jumping in point
it really is a good product for beginners, only people crying about it are the metas
If the comic didn’t look laughably god awful, I would agree with you.
I'm a beginner who just got involved through speedduel. This is the shittiest collection of cards I've seen 😂
Are people actually calling this bad? It honestly looks like a solid (relatively speaking) pile of cards.
It looks somewhat competent and funny enough i wonder if you could make them sort of playable with more copies of the starters.
@telepathicdragon I'm gonna guess probably not. There's good cards in the decks like Edlitch, but most of the decks are too slow for modern yugioh. I'll maintain I think these decks look better than people are giving them credit for, and I'd 100% use these as a way to get friends into the card game. But if a friend wanted to bring a deck to locals I'd first try convincing them of the 3x structure deck method way before I tried 3x copies of these.
These would be good to sell to board game cafes. Like the other day I was in one and they had some Magic The Gathering Duel Decks to borrow - if Yugioh had something similar I think it would be a good avenue for attracting new players.
I wonder if the ocg stories manga inspired the scripted duel portion. As that series mixes competitive and less competitive decks with actual OCG combos occurring
Honestly, for grabbing some Goat/Edison era stuff and a free Zeus and Emeral, I'm down for grabbing at least one.
Awesome was actually looking for something like this to learn friends and family :)
Honestly, as someone relatively interested in game design and user experience, I'd love to see if they performed like... actual tests to see if the set did improve the learning rate of the game for beginners and how it translates to playing structure decks, opposed to methods like Master Duel or TH-cam videos. The hands-on approach is probably very helpful and it's super cool that they try to experiment with stuff like this.
Also I kinda wonder if they designed both decks to be mixed at some point to make a little synchro+xyz starter deck. Obviously omitting the normal monsters.
@@andrijor they did not. Both decks are absolutly horrible and have basicaly 0 synergie
@@andrijor They should have done this with half decks you could combine in to a single starter.
@@captainsargas1606not sure you understand what synergy is. The cards definitely work together just not as cohesively as a full on archetype would.
For Konami this is pretty user friendly. Hope we get more learning teaching tools like this in the future
2 player starter set walking you through how each mechanic in the game works
Thats pretty neat when i started playing the game things like this would have been a huge help
I love the idea of this approach...but it seems ab bit clumsy in execution...the cards you gain are nice and diverse tho too
Pokmeon does this too. Making it like a board game with scripted decks. This looks fine for beginners.
Common visas tho!
Dude! Its kinda like those pokemon boxes!
I want this!
Coded for Master Duel, pleaseee Konami!! 😅
Can’t wait to get this product because a friend asked me if I could teach them and I said yes I would do that for them
I like the idea of this, though there needs to be multiple versions of these so that other mechanics can be discussed more reliably. Fusions and Rituals use spells for their main monsters so those can be done together, and Pendulum decks require Link monsters so one side can use a Pendulum focused setup and the other utilize the EMZ and/or co-linking for specific cards.
Evil Doug be like:
Ive read every card in the set
Honestly it seems somewhat decent for teaching new players.
is there a list of that the cards are meant to be in so you can do this multiple times?
Imagine reading Magician of Faith:
“Flip: Add a spell from the graveyard.
Then seeing Eldeich with a wall of text.
This could have been more modernized with better cards.
Sure, but why would you bog down new players with modern card design? The easiest concepts to grasp at first are Normal Summoning and Tribute Summoning.
That's why it has "the script"
But the idea isn't to necessarily show modern yu-gi-oh, but help build all of the understanding of yu-gi-oh's various things.
It wouldn't have all those normal monsters at the start otherwise, nor, as you mentioned, all those older cards of lower powerlevel. Like yeah, magician of faith isn't the best currently, but they certainly are one of the more powerful cards in the earlier formats and certainly help you understand that flip monsters or effects can be strong and something to keep (if not as a priority) in consideration during a duel. And putting it way before the the scripted game goes into full swing is nice to give it a chance to actually do something and demonstrate the mechanic.
What I wish what they could have done is to make a deck for every type of monster (Fusion, Pendulum, Links, maybe ritual).
Very similar to Pokemon tcg that has a beginner set that comes with a 2 player mat
Since both these decks only focus on Synchro and XYZs, it makes me think Konami I'd planning to make another one that continues from this one that has Fusions and Links. Cause it's odd they'd only teach less than half of the summoning systems.
TBF synchro and xyz seem to be the hardest to understand for modern players (before pendulums) since they involve "more complex mechanics" (summing up levels while a specific kind of card -tuner- is on the field, stacking cards that match levels under another card and using those to activate certain effects) by comparison, but seeing how Primeheart and Zeus are on the decks to explain alternative ways to summon specific synchros (using specific materials, but not necessarily non-tuners) and xyz (overlaying on top of another xyz when particular conditions are met), maybe they ARE planning on doing a fusion vs link one...
Or more likely, fusion vs ritual and pendulum vs link since the floors and possible ceilings on those pairs feel a bit more even that way.
I personally believe they should’ve just did MC vs MC, Yusei vs Yuma. Both decks could summon out the cover monsters with ease, the nostalgia of the character can bring back fans, the decks actually would have synergy to last in or even steal a duel. Both MCs also have recent support that anyone who liked the deck can go out and get as well.
i found this item at walmart and it's the 24 when i bought it cause this came with an good extra deck cards
you should do a duel with farfa with these decks but shuffled in masterduel
Nice, I want it so I can be teach some family members
The issue with 2 player starter sets is that Konami thinks Yu-Gi-Oh players have friends
The problem is not having friends, but that those friends are interested in learning the most complex card game in existence.
Me: waiting for my bro grow up fast so I can teach him as a sensei
Good concept, kinda okish in practice and casual duel.
the 2 set deck set is a good test of how well ran a card game is. konami inability to print competive decks in set card list products make the entire thing not work. it needs competive decks for yugioh to not misrepresent the game but that would require printing too much of value for konami to ever realisticly do.
which deck won the game?
need thos deck
In a million years I can’t believe f*ckin zeus is here
Finally we have something as de Pokemon TCG Battle Academy, this is a better way to teach new up coming players how to play since at first it may be too much.
There are some heavy cards in this. Def. something to be picked up, even if just for the cards.
you're the goat
This is a very nice product to use for new and older players trying to get back into the game and only played in the first season and generation one Yu-Gi-Oh
I think it will alienate them in a way. Gen 1 will be familiar with fusions and rituals, but might have dropped out at synchro and xyz, which this product seems to focus on more.
@@spicymemes7458which is why its perfect, as it teaches them the stuff from around the point they dropped
I really am interested however I’m worried this will be scalped to death by scalpers
This is awesome and I think we need more sets like this to help grow the Yugioh community ❕🙌🏽
This isn't just good for teaching people the game, but it also includes some decent Goat and Edison cards, which I think is a logical next step for a new/returning player.
If you quit Yu-Gi-Oh once you saw white cards, you NEED to educate yourself!
Hopefully next year we'll get a Pendulum/Link set to round it out!
When is this being released?
Never mind..
I think the chase cards made the set too good to be true.
I don't think I've ever been as stun locked as hearing you pronounce mannadium.
Wish I had not bought zeus a month ago. Would have waited for this set and gotten more cards
MISTER ZEEEEEEEF
Honestly I LOVE this idea. This set is great to teach people the game, then they can buy starter/structure decks and make their own!! Super awesome! First Konami W in a long while!!
This is an L. People hard coping thinking this is good and will get people into the game. This is just going to confuse new players more
@@iTvngo What do you mean lol. It is literally a step-by-step plan.
@@th5154 Wow! A step-by-step plan… that totally means that it is good just like the great informative step-by-step master duel tutorial. I’m sure this set will definitely teach new people the game and will definitely not confuse and frustrate them when they play against people who actually know how to play with a real deck. La Jinn FTW! We are about to see a big increase in new players! Konami W!
@@iTvngo average toxic meta sheep
@@th5154 If that’s what you want to believe 😂 The truth though is that I’m saying the tough truth that you don’t want to accept and are now trying to label me with something that isn’t even true instead of refuting my point. How about you actually tell me how this step-by-step plan will get people to actually understand how yugioh is truly played and have them continue on with the game and not abandon it like what happened with master duel.
1st time I see this thumbnail pic I think this starter deck Digimon, but I'm wrong
Honestly not a bad product for the premade beginner decks. I used it to get my girlfriend into the game. The practice duel is a bit stupid because she was just doing what the book said but wasn't sure why she was doing it. After she had a small understanding we did a real duel but I explained it. It worked fairly well and now she is using structure decks. We are dueling somewhere around the speeds of the 5Ds era, which is honestly great because meta yugioh is boring as hell.
Still better than MD solo mode
Looks great but was hoping for a few good reprint not call of the haunted number 47
Night beam
My boyfriend refuses to learn Yugioh, so maybe this will help?
@ my girlfriend. She plays magic with me, I do think looking at these decks that it would be a great way to get her into it with mechanics being slow enough to understand
He refuses because he’s not interested
@@thefirstsurvivor considering he’s reading the manga and started watching the anime in German, I don’t think that’s true
Step 1 : Have friend
Dzeeff really trying to hard to keep the konami sponsorship 😂
LOL Power Frame in a starter set. Has anyone ever tried explaining that card to a new player? That card takes like 10-15min explaining the specific wording, colons and semi-colons. When to activate, how to resolve. What you can do to cuck its activation...
This is pretty cool.
Should release another version with Fusion vs Ritual and Pendulum vs Link or Fusion vs Link with Ritual/Pendulum tided to them.
Honestly, it's kinda amazing how much these decks feel like a journey through the history of the game as well. There are cards from every era in these.
This is rather not bad! I really like this Starter Deck, better than the Odd-Eyes/DDD dragon Starter Deck we had years ago.
Zeus just kind of feels unfair in the deck, especially since the synchros weren’t that good, except Coral Dragon
Rip I overpaid for the preorder expecting some goodies. Gonna be keeping them sealed and hope they gain value over time. The cards inside are beginner friendly which is nice, but not worth the $20 a box I paid lol
Will be getting to teach my girlfriend... and the Zues
I thought this will be a "proper deck" with proper deck building. I mean they should teach the new player a proper deck building too like 3 copies of good cards etc. Deck building is an important and most fun part in YGO.
If you don't know the rules of the game and how to navigate your way through one, then deck building is almost pointless.
@@AllThingsEntertaining That's why Konami should give an example of good deck building. Give explanation, why some cards in the deck are 3 copies and why the others only 1. You cannot teach it with this 2-structure when everything only 1 copy.
Where Pendulum? Where Links? Where Fusion?
love that strong cards like zues in in them however why it uses comic sans...
The only important thing is the Zeus reprint everything else is pointless
If the idea is to use this, then graduate to structures, that still feels kind of weird no? That means if a new player with no one else to help would like to try, they get this, which is $20, then they need 3 structures, which is another $36, which is a lot of money to tell new players to put up upfront. Don't get me wrong, I think the progression of more complicated mechanics is super neat for these two decks, but for a new player, these decks don't really feel substantial.
Why Skill Successor and not Breakthrough Skill, Konami? You printed the first for Speed Duels 3 years ago, you did NOT reprint BS in 7 years.
Glad to see some reprints though: Coral Dragon and Stygian are very neat. Some GOAT/Edison/HAT cards are also nice. As far as Starters go, it's fine.
This will probably sound wierd but you got nice hands 😂😮
starter decks have come a long way from the yugi and kiba ones
This does misrepresent the game a bit in its simplicity, but I don't know how you can teach how the game actually is without scaring people away. I think they should release another one of these marketed for intermediate level or something that has scripted duels that feature some more complex combos, link summons, has hand traps, etc. Because while this is great, a new player cannot jump into modern Yu-Gi-Oh from this like the marketing implies.
The fact that you get a guaranteed Zeus and Eldlich in this product is insane.
if not for the fact that everyone has like a thousand copies of Eldilich from Rarity Collection
Neat
Genuinely bizarre product
Imagine if they just printed a full power manadium deck in here in common
Best starter decks ever!
ELDLICH COMMON RARITY😭😭😭
Does YGO get new players in 2023? Either you're already playing it or not.
I came back to the game in 2023 after not playing since 2008, basically had to learn the whole thing again so I’d consider myself a new player
I was new to the game in 2023, after my last YGO memory being watching the GX anime as a kid.
maybe, but that's what the company is trying to change
I got into Yugioh about a year ago
Its an ok Set. Wished they pushed an actual Reprint core with it. But as a start its fine.
Seriously thought it was the actual visa archetype in deck
The people who are saying this is bad, either dont realize this isnt for them. Not every set is supposed to include new cards/reprints for high demand stuff. This is to teach new people the basics of Yu-Gi-Oh and provide a foundation for future explanations. Not be a one stop shot of everything and risk overcomplicating further than needed.
I doubt people complaining about this set have tried to actually teach someone else this game because this is what ive done for my friends to introduce them since it's not hard to follow along, i know exactly what their hands are so i can guide them on what to do/what their cards do and matching a similarly powered deck will usually ensure some back and forth so they can feel engaged.
And it fails to teach modern Yu-Gi-Oh. So yea it's a bad introduction....
@@akumetsu-6051 Bro read my comment and still said "doesn't teach modern yugioh hurr durr"
@@akumetsu-6051the goal is to teach the game, not teach the meta. this is definitely for new/casual fans and not competitive players.
@@RinsArc This the biggest hurdle to teaching someone Yu-Gi-Oh IS MODERN YU-GI-OH IS VERY COMPLEX to someone with no foreknowledge. Give someone the bare basics to build foundations on.
You don't teach someone to draw by expecting them to draw an anatomically correct human. You tell them to build line confidence, how to construct shapes and basic perspective. Afterwards you move onto something slightly more complex.
I like the idea of it, and I think for a first-exposure, it's pretty good; but it's missing a lot of things, most notable being Fusion, Ritual, Link, and Pendulum monsters. Like, I don't have an issue with the cards themself not being very good (though, it does make it so you still pretty much need to start from scratch if you want to play beyond it), but only teaching 2 Extra Deck mechanics makes for a rather incomplete learning experience.
Of course, this could be fixed by putting out another 2 player starter set, but then you'd need even more scripted duels or you'd need to let players try it on their own (which kind of defeats the point).
They're just giving away Zeus now? wait it has a white ninja reprint?! that's amazing
This is one of my most anticipated products in the year since I need a good intro product for the newbies in my locals. The scripted duels certainly make my life a lot easier, and the 64 page comics instead of ever-thickening rule book is a step in the right direction. That being said....that comics is still intermediating since they really need to to avoid huge wall of texts as much as possible, and hire a competent mangaka to make the booklet even more visually appealing.
I sincerely hope NO ONE (scalpers I am looking at you) just buys this deck for ZUES, we need this product for teaching the beginners!
Whoever told Konami that the new players need vanilla monsters needs to be fired bruh
What? That's ridiculous since the most basic concepts in Yugioh are normal summoning and tribute summoning. It's a product to slowly ease them into basic concepts then slowly introduce more complicated ones like effects and responding to your opponent.
@@AllThingsEntertaining you can do that without vanillas. Even better there are archetypes like floo specifically based around tributes and normal summons, why not throw those in?
@@ClarkieReidri Why put cards in that not only do other things besides normal and tribute summon and locks you out from the remainder of the deck? Now, you would have to teach them what the banish zone is, or that sometimes monsters have effects, and sometimes those effects activate when they're summoned, and effects that activate from the banish zone. Then, you'd also have to explain that sometimes, when resolving effects, they might lock you from a specific mechanic, like Special Summoning. Whereas, you can just put a handful of vanillas that don't do anything and have them digest it easier.
@@AllThingsEntertainingsorry man but i’m not reading all that have fun bootlicking konami tho
If they have effects, then new players will confuse themselves trying to read and understand them. The first thing to teach should be stats and combat. So you use cards that can only do that. This is a very basic rule of teaching. Don’t give beginners unnecessarily information.
this thing gonna fly off the sheft just because it have zeus in it
So; Visas Starfrost, Manadium prime-heart, Eldlich, and Zeus. What a fucking shame those were the only things I noticed.
That's because it isn't supposed to be a reprint set, it's supposed to teach new players how to play the game. It's not a product for seasoned veterans.
I'm a bit on the fence with this. Yes great new players coming in with a simple method to play always helps but these feel very false advertising with the random Zeus, Eldlich and Visas Starfrost in the mix. If it were me, id give them a structure deck of an archetype that fits a combo strategy with a simple combo line(say invoked or any anime deck) and 1 control style deck with simple to understand spells and traps to teach them how its played in a modern sense.
Day 242 of waiting for new floow support.