Breaking Down The Drum Corps Iceberg
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.พ. 2024
- In this video I talk about the terms on this drum corps iceberg. I will provide all my sources in the description below.
Crown Chord- • Performing their show....
3DS Videos- • Carolina Crown Recorde...
Mcnutt- • The McNutt Special | R...
Is your band ready- • brandt crocker being a...
VK at retreat- • The DCI Three-Peat Cha...
First Three Peat- / dcinomore
Teal Sound Folding- www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forum...
Shawn Nagpal- / 10157408472676349
Warming up in someone's front yard- • Bluecoats Drumline 201...
Blast!- • BLAST! - DCI Broadway ...
BAC- www.dcxmuseum.org/assets/188-...
Getting Hash'd- • Boston Crusaders at Al...
Forest City Iowa- • Noise complaints in Fo...
Jesu Spectre- / jesuspectre
www.youtube.com/@jesuspectre9...
Blue Stars 2004- • Blue Stars 2004: Reloaded
Jean Elizabeth Joseph- • In memory of Pacific C...
No Missile Like Objects- • DCI 2011 Cavaliers Spl...
Arby's- arbys/status/7638...
Arbys/status/8964...
dci/status/102762...
/ 1159580161043550215
BD was Framed 2008- • DCI 2008 Finals - Amer...
• DCI 2008 Retreat - Rev...
BAC copypasta- / i_saw_something_today
Caballeros Murder Case- www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forum...
northjersey.newspapers.com/ar...
Drum Corps World Capital- www.google.com/search?client=...
Snoop Dogg- www.latimes.com/archives/la-x...
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I marched Cavaliers in 2008, that is NOT Jermery Seneca on the cadets foot. It is a guy named Jordan Pike. You are correct on the GF picture though.
The story behind that, if you watch the 2008 finals scores broadcast you will see Cavaliers fall once they announce BD's score. We were stretching on finals rehearsal day and one of our tuba players said, " You know, if Phantom wins tonight, we should all do a mass suicide. I mean our third movement is called Death Before Dishonor. It is the Samurai way." We all thought it was hilarious! So our horn sergeants walked around retreat block with the color guard "swords" and when they announced "Blue Devils" our sergeant yelled like a Samurai and ran down the line "Killing" people. Jordan Pike was one of those people and purposely fell in the Cadets block because we knew the Cadets were "Not allowed to move." Hopkins came running because he thought the member passed out. Jordan thought it was a member for a second and didnt move. Once he realized it was Hopkins he got up really quickly.
BRING BACK LOT FIGHTS 2024 BABYYYYYY
I didn't know most of these. Interesting stuff!
emc your videos are amazing they’ve provided my non-percussionist-self so much insight about percussion. you’re the best, keep it up man! 👍
No way it’s the real EMC!
In the wild sighting!!
This feels like a meme within itself
Yo Eric!
"That's my house!" bro that poor woman
It's so funny how far down the iceberg Blast has fallen. That shit was a PHENOMENON when it first started.
Yeah, Blast was the reason I started playing trumpet when I was in 5th grade. I had no idea for a while that they were DCI related, let alone what Star of Indiana was. Now it’s cool to see so much of their music was from Star’s shows and I&E charts. Battery Battle still feels like a WGI show.
Fr, I’m still high school age and my BD showed Blast all the time whenever he missed for some reason.
Performed with them back when it was called Brass Theater
@@jasenswalley3985 awesome show. Were you in the touring version with Canadian Brass or the one in Branson?
@@skraegorn7317 I wasn't in either of those. The corps I marched in 96 performed with them at a couple of shows is how I performed with them. At the time it was just called Brass Theater and still had Star all over the place down to the uniforms and all.
Finally, a iceberg video that i actually feel compelled to watch
Crown singing the national anthem in the showers in 2023 but replacing all of the words with "there's a bomb" so we got told we couldn't talk about bombs in public anymore.
This is legitimately the funniest thing I have ever seen in TH-cam comments
BLATT CORPS😂😂😂😂
i legitimately always thought it was BD high brass in 08
to see it be BK, a corps who was in that year during finals- COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the dispute between top 2 is absolutely friggin HILARIOUS-
It pleases me to know that my corps has always had an element of unhinged.
I remembered seeing it was BK. I didn’t know about the video though, that is one of the most unhinged things I’ve ever seen…
Yoo, my friend was the one that started the 3DS recording trend 😂. He was the one that recorded the Carolina crown in McKinney video. It’s definitely one of the best/funniest DCI trends I’ve seen
who's the friend?
Few things I want everyone to see regarding this video. I avoided Kelsi Monroe on the iceberg in an effort to keep my videos at least somewhat suitable for TH-cam. That is why I put "I'll be avoiding this one FHNSAB, I should have been more explicit though looking back. The murder case involving the caballeros admin member is a convoluted one, while he was involved with the caballeros during the year the event occurred after leaving prison he allegedly returned to the caballeros organization as the assistant corps director of the muchachos not the caballeros which I mistakenly said. As always thanks for correcting me and keeping me on my toes as I talk about the history of the activity we all love so much!
I'm glad to have been a part of a few of these :)
- 19 HOF halftime show
- *the* pillow fight
- the front yard lot
- "what's squincher"
2019 BANGER REPRESENTATION GOING CRAZY! RAAHHH
I marched Teal Sound in 1999 and in 2000 and I was the first member of the corps. I was rooting for them that 2012 season and they had the show to possibly break into the top 12 and they were so good. They kept climbing every year and disaster struck. Centerville, OH. What's sad is that the kids didn't even know till they got off the field after their performance in Centerfield. They were given multiple options and i don't remember what they were. But one was, get on 1 bus and head back to Florida (the other bus left to return to Florida) OR find another corps that has another opening spot and see if they will take you in. And thanks to the Colts D&B corps they pretty much took much took all the kids that wanted to continue on.
I watch random shows frequently i love teal sound if i was old enough i wouldve definitely tried out in 11 love that show! I hope 1 day someone makes a revivial or recognition of the corps, or all age or something, just loved everything about them, and their unis were so fashionable! Didnt know they played angels and demons too lol
Funny thing, I recently learned that Squincher is pretty big in the welding community too! Didn’t think I would ever see it outside of DCI
bruh are you serious 💀
@@325bpm6 Dead to rights serious, they had a post in the group one time arguing about which squinch is best and which form of squinch is best(THESE GUYS PUT SQUINCH IN A SLUSHI MAKER) I didn’t learn bottled squinch was a thing either cause all I knew was that I would get it from the Gatorade jug during Meal/Snack
Also a legendary drink for underpaid overworked welders 😂
I work in local government. We buy tons of it for the firefighters, linemen, mechanics, groundskeepers, basically everyone who does manual labor outdoors. Had no idea drum corps bought it but it makes sense, it’s cheap and comes in convenient sizes.
Sqwincher is sold by Fastenal and Grainger and Airgas into manufacturing plants. A lot.
I marched in Spirit of Atlanta in 1980. I’ll never forget when they called us together to tell us Jim Ott had been killed. RIP to a singular talent.
I was in a competing corps in 1980. I recall rehearsal stopped and they told us.
Hawthorne Muchachos (DCI) folded in 1977, not the Hawthorne Caballeros (DCA) who are alive and well today. Both corps had the same sponsor and parent organization at the time.
Sorry I forgot to mention the switch. Hawthorn Caballeros was the corps that created the junior corps hawthorn muchachos which as you correctly stated folded in 1977. The person in question for the case I mentioned was involved with the hawethorn caballeros first and during the time of the incident and then allegedly returned to the muchachos and was with the corps till they folded. It is really convoluted and someone confusing and I do wish I had explained it better.
It's so funny to me to learn that Shawn Nagpal was some sort of big drum corps meme two seasons after he was my bari tech, what an amazing guy haha
swear ik this guy
saw Boston at their Florida camp today and... my god.
Oh sure, they were pretty damn good last year. 12 to 6th is surely no joke. But this - what I saw today - this is now something entirely different. This is something that I've seen before. I've seen it and I recognize it as sure as I know my own face. I cannot mistake this feeling for anything other than what it most assuredly is. It is something I saw, and felt, back in 2012 with Crown; I saw and felt it again in '14 with TILT.
And this thing is - a Super Saiyan.
That's the only way I can explain it. Those corps in those years took that invisible step that upped their power to a level they had never achieved before. Maybe they didn't win it all, but that was not why we remember those shows. We remember because they had crossed some invisible line and the ultimate result of that was inevitable. Even if it took another season, even if it took two, their path was set.
Boston has crossed that line. It's not even about where they place this year. It's about putting everyone else; the fans, DCI, and the top 3, on notice. They know how to go Super Saiyan now, and they are coming.
We've had corps do 'dark' shows. We've had corps do artsy shows. We've had 'clever', and minimalist and Fellini-esque and psychedelic and you name it shows. Prepare for Angry. Animal Farm in comparison was just sarcastic with a touch of upset. Wicked Games was dark with a touch of brooding.
What is coming this year is controlled and brutal anger. I know it because even Gino was surprised enough by it to raise an eyebrow and say out loud, "these kids are very good at doing angry".
Anyways, I'm calling it right now. Top 4.
They'll fight it out with someone, possibly Cavs. Here's the Shamaliyan plot twist though. It's entirely too early to tell of course, but if they keep ramping up their power level at this same rate, they may very well leave 4th in their wake.
There, I said it. There is a definite possibility that, despite all I just said and what I've just predicted, that I might be underestimating them.
Following staff is a very real thing
They had a Florida camp????
No video of Whitewater wipeout? I was there, and remember it like it was yesterday. It was (I think) the 3rd of 4th time we had seen the Garfield show that year. It was groundbreaking and astonishing. So, when the marching dominos started to fall at the end of the show, we were in disbelief. We thought for sure that there would be injuries (beyond bloody lips and teeth).When we saw them again again at Finals, we held our breath during that move. And that time, many people cheered just because nobody fell.
Vid of the Wipeout likely does not exist. 1) Filming regionals was not a thing in 1984. 2) Camera were huge. 3) Cell phones did not exist.
There ARE the pics of the Wipeout, shown in this vid, but in 4 decades, that's all I've ever seen.
The only physical injury to a member (there were some horns that took damage) was a sprained/strained ankle for the soprano who tripped and started it all. He missed a couple of practices and maybe one show, but was back in the lie after that.
They got a perfect subcap score -- ensemble visual, IIRC -- and the fall did NOT cost them the win over SCV and us (BD)....SCV earned the win legit that night.
The Wipeout was missed by the upstairs visual judge because 1) it was way out at the end of the line on side 2 (audience right), 2) the judge was looking at the center of the form, and 3) they recovered VERY fast and were back in the line before the judge looked at them....not in the right spots, but in the form. And as it was the final move it in the show, placement in the line didn't mean anything.
The audio is from a brass judge, who could not score a visual caption.
Now...someone DID catch his heels on the move at finals -- it was in the center and on camera. Had HE fallen, I'd have my ring....but I'd hate to be him after that...he'd've been blaming himself for the loss for 4 decades....no bueno.
Heard about it in real time from nearby. It was big news that day. It happened.
Bro I marched Spirit of Atlanta in 2023 and I wasn't even aware of the Arby's-Spirit of Atlanta 2019 alliance. That's actually insane 😅
What’s up AJ
I marched the season after in 2021 (and I was even contracted as far back as 2020 when dci died, and I never really heard about it.) I did discover it on my own a bit before my season tho, but never asked.
Yeah, we all got to keep the Arby’s hats we wore for the commercial shoot. Fun stuff
I literally marched with Shawn for 2 years at his start. He was iconic.
Something I want to add to 24:04: There's still some system blue products like the Evans SB heads, and Drillmasters shoes with the SB brand still on them. Also, I heard that Conn & Selmer got the patents from the Blue Devils to make the System Blue instruments as the King and Ludwig performance series.
The Jean Elizabeth Joseph story is so sweet and really embodies the best of human nature! Great video, super interesting as a drum corps fan who never marched corps.
Babe wake up new VisTech video just dropped 🔥🔥
I’ve enjoyed your videos so much! This one was interesting and fun as well! Some things I know , and some things were new to me. I have been around Drum Corps since the late 60s. I only had a chance to march in Senior Corps in ‘77 (?) with the Chicago Connection. Marched one season, then moved on to other things; but that time was unforgettable, and I feel privileged to have had that time. My love for Drum Corps will never die, and I’m so glad you are making these videos. Thank you!
The national anthem thing was started by 7th Regiment around 2017 TBH, it was basically a fun thing to do while showering. The acoustics in locker rooms are especially great for harmony. I'm pretty sure we started the trend because those seasons, we would sing it in the showers before shows, and get really odd looks from other corps. So, I think we were the first. Back then, Open Class championships were held in Michigan City, IN, and most of the housing sites did not have locker rooms that were large enough for an entire corps to shower. So a lot of OC corps were all doing pre-show showers at the show site. I think that is where the meme spread. 7R would enter the room, look at each other wordlessly, and start. Before OC finals, that meant that between 5 and 7 corps were showing in the same locker room at the same time, figuring out what the hell to do when the 7R folks were belting out the anthem as loud as they (we) could. We were on strict orders to NOT do this before OC prelims (we followed them), since our shower time overlapped with other corps performance times, and the showers looked right onto the field. We tried to also do it with the Soviet anthem, but it was hard to teach the lyrics. The international members of our corps were often very excited to sing our anthem with us.
I want to say it’s been a thing even before that. But yes it has very much been popularized in recent years.
Some iceberg topics from my time at cavaliers and devs.
Cavaliers/SCV - the noose
Cavaliers/phantom/BD - jolly rancher target practice at retreat
Cavaliers - “how do we get off the field”
Sevierville - the field with a crown you can’t see the front sideline from the back because the middle is so elevated
Cavaliers - stealing a blue devils uniform in 2009 and wearing it around the lot
RCC- press box on the 35
Why are pressboxes at weird places : < lmao
Don’t forget Death Grips sampling the Blue Devils drumline
(This was told to me from someone who was with the corps since 82) The 89 fracking incident was impart to stress over a home/family issues that was happening at that time
I learned more about drum corps in 49 minutes than I did in 30 years...nice research!! Keep this up!!!
Lets just say, a certain Tuba player had "Spike". A missle like object that made its way onto the finals field in 2023.
I got caught in the background of the recreation Cavs/Cadets photos from last season lmao
Blast is actually back some of my friends have gotten spots for this upcoming year
I actually was lucky enough to meet someone who helped stage manage BLAST! At temple
Fun corps wake up story: In 2011 at 7th Regiment, the front ensemble woke the corps up for open class finals with our lot tune (Africa by Toto). Later during finals week in Indianapolis the drumline played the cadence to wake the corps up.
G Bugles were how I learned what drum and bugle corps was. Back in middle school I was buying a step-up trumpet and I asked the guy why one of them had 2 valves. He let me play it too, they hardly sound like a trumpet at low volumes. But he told me what drum and bugle corps is, though he didn’t know what corps that soprano belonged to as it didn’t come with the original paperwork.
Been awaiting this video !! Thank you
The tick system was not used by DCI for the "first few years" but from 1972 through 1983 - eleven years.
Loved this fun and obscure facts video. Thank you. Please do more. 😊
Me when the academy tuba line ate crayons
When do they not?
very in character
Gosh, I feel old. I've been out of the activity as a corps member since 2007. That summer, our busses had this brand new technology called wi-fi. It didn't really matter because nobody had ability to use it. The snap has been around much longer than most people realize. A lot of corps (mine included) only got off-time when it was laundry day. My last year, I think we had 2 full off days the entire summer. The day after off-days were usually the worst from a rehearsal stand point.
For some other oddities and terms in DCI (at least from my time):
2006 Capital Regiment
Box 5 vs box 1 housing
The RCA Dome
The mass brass debacle was common for several years (not just 2008 or by BK)
Bob Barker
2000 BD bass drummer
The Vanguard yell, particularly '02-'07
Similar to the Iowa town, rehearsing in Utah was always an interesting experience given the Mormon lifestyle.
Most corps until very recently never had medical staffs (We had Bandaids and Advil), strength coaches, and chefs, much less meteorologists
Buy-stops were a rare occurrence, and this was well before Bucees became what it is today.
the cabbies murder case one is wild. going on my 4th season marching there and never knew. great vid man!
Man this was great. Ive been getting into DCI a lot more lately and I wanted to learn more about the culture and what goes on on the inside. Wonderful👍
It's a world of its own with more lore than any one Corps can tell. Have fun learnin.
Louisiana Stars 2019
Spirit of Atlanta 2020-21 (rip 20)
Thank you for making this!
This is so badass. Its bringing me so many great memories to my drum corps years
i officially love you cjs music thank you for this post 💕
Remember how I said reading the iceberg confused and interested me? Yeah it lived up to it. Holy crap lmao. Thank you for putting this together!
thank you, love the drum corp content!
YOOOO SHAWN NAGPAL IS MY BAND DIRECTOR
good video keep posting, i love to watch them -Jackson english
Another amazing video
Oh man this brings me back. Did Gold/PC/Blue Stars between '12 and '16. Thanks for the laughs, and i'm also glad to hear that the culture is improving with some of the more... questionable traditions phasing out.
Great video 👍🏼
Back in the day, I knew Jeremy Seneca as a brass tech for my high school marching band and his wife (the Cadets member in the infamous photo with him at finals retreat) is an alumnus of my high school. So, I guess I must be pretty deep beneath the water?
holy this is about to blow up. 🔥🔥🔥
What about breaking down some of the season specific icebergs in future videos?
Great Video!
On the getting hashed note: As someone who marched in 2022, the allentown field was set really poorly, and multiple corps had issues with it
in what way? I just remember it being the same as any other high school field.
@@CJsMusicTrumpet I don't remember specifically, but I know one of our props at bluecoats got hashed in the start of the show. I think there might've been misinformation somewhere about it being set as a college hash?
I suppose if you are told something incorrect it can be confusing. But I remember that J birney drum has ALWAYS been HS hash
Yooooo it’s me! 47:43
which one
@@samuelt8602 the Cavalier, pointing at the camera in the remake picture
@@josj0706nice
If a drum corps had to warm up in my front yard, i wouldn't mind, that would be awesome
Hi. '94 Glassmen contra bass member here and also former Morehead State Univ. band member. I had no idea that happened to Tim Snyder. I used to play Tuba with him back in 94-96 at Morehead State. Back in the summer of 1995 he, Brian Ellis, and I were working on making Winter Marching Brass Ensemble a thing and he developed a music set and theme for the first show, Brian worked on drill and music, and I worked on some ideas and rules for the activity. I got out of music education about a year after that and always wondered what happened with that idea. Not sure if it was the genesis of the current activity I'm seeing now through WGI, but it was an attempt to start it.
Yeah you don't mess with a guy from the mean streets of Crestwood, KY (but now that I think about it Tim might be from Goshen) Anyway those South Oldham boys know how to rumble.
You had me at buc-ees
I marched '16-18. You completely reawoke the memory of Implying for me
fave iceberg yet
Fact: My brother performed for Pioneers in... I believe 2017-2018? In a parade in the upper-midwest (forgot if it was Chicago or Miluakee) He was still in the Pioneers group chat after his short stint with the group and picked up on the horrors going on in that group chat. My brother was also one of the whistleblowers for the Pioneers (he also told me a middle-school band could perform better than that group).
Went to high school with a guy who did front ensemble for Pioneer Indoor in 2015 and 2016. Luckily they were spared from the mess at Pio and split cleanly. His experience was really good there, I’m glad your brother got out before shit REALLY hit the fan.
4:51 is such a pleasure to exerience in person, Already counting down the days till 2024s lol
The Foreskin Fusiliers are right up there with the ‘42 Buckaroos. I didn’t know Sqwincher existed anywhere else outside of my current job.
Re: Sqwincher. It was during the 2019 season. I was a camera operator for that livestream while interning with DCI and it was indeed quite funny
ayo i be playing 3ds as we speak, famous recorder too, good stuff
that Jersey Surf wake-up call gave me chills
Damn didn’t cover the light up uniforms with SCV surprised
You are a little off on the Blast! history. The 1994 and 1995 seasons, Star of Indiana was still operating as Star of Indiana, they were doing a brass theatre summer program with the Canadian Brass (I know it was the Canadian Brass in 94, not sure about 95) A couple of the designers then workshopped the brass theatre concept to a Broadway show. The show Blast!, was not part of the Star of Indiana organization and did not premiere until late 1999 or 2000. (As there are 3 members of the 1999 Crossmen, who I marched with, that are in the original cast) The PBS broadcast was the show seen in both New York and in London's West End. In 2002, they were workshopping a new version of the Show with Wayne Downey writing the brass book. The did a preview show series in Walt Disney World.
I was looking to see if anyone brought this up and would have if you hadn't... 👍Thanx muchly...😎
@@michaelgwfrogwelge Im just an old fart who remembers back that far.
That’s crazy bc at mandarins we definetly say “danger bays” (at least on the guard bus)
Still using system blue at Atlanta CV may God bless us with new horns this season.
This is my kind of content
west cost and east cost also refers to diddle interpretation. Scojo did a video on it.
I would like to see a Canadian Drum Corps iceberg. Some topics to include could be:
Drum Corps National/"What about us?"
Toronto being the only city to ever have two corps in DCI Finals
DCI Finals in Montreal
^ Highest ever attendance for DCI Finals
^SCV tear due to the audience being so loud
^ Moving the field back 15 yards due to the sound issues
55 yard line (unsure if there are any actual stories about this, but Canadian football fields are larger than American fields)
9/11 killing off Canadian corps
Les Stentors
The Calgary Stampede Showband
I did not know about the SCV overage members. iirc, The Bridgemen had an issue in '77 with overage members that got them disqualified.
this video is awesome what the heck
Wow i never knew that Blast! Was Star of Indiana. My middle school jazz band director showed it to us, way before I even knew what dci was, and know i know who it was lol
I would watch more of these fs
what was the academy plague of 2018 about? i’ve tried looking that up so much and have never found anything on it
Just a stomach bug that went around that season.
26:30 rip 😔
32:34 ‘42 Buckaroos reminds me largely of Goncharov… a fictional creation that’s idolized by a niche group of people (dci alumni and tumblr users, respectively)
Still want to know what the heck Pioneer is doing now. Their website is weird
Battalion is in the west but we said Danger bay not the other thing. 31:15
I still have my snaps from rookie year during the 2019 pillow fights 😭
13:13 wait, thats my horn!
Those who were in RAMD pronounced it Ram-D. I was there. It was WILD!!
Disaster after 88 Madison win - After their win on their 50th Anniversary, Corps members were traveling to a Corps function and had a car crash. All of the members died except one, who was paralyzed from the chest down. The next year, Madison bought him a car pacifically made for a paralyzed person to drive. He became an equipment judge for Winter Guard… he is extremely loved.
bro imagine u chilling in ur house and then your come outside and the bluecoats battery is there
Hey just curious if you used Kapwing to make this cause if so I made this template for them on there lol
I did actually!
Has someone who marched in 2007 finals, I can definitely tell you that the field really does suck. It felt like you're marching on concrete and the yard lines and hash were really hard to see so if you had intervals that were two steps apart and you're making sharp turns and you so happen to be holding a contra, good luck
RCC BOX MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2:00 - Hey! I know him! (Thanks dude!)
Of course! Only fair considering you gave me a shoutout when I first started producing these!
RIP that security guard, he got COOKED
Government agencies like the NPS and Forest Service buy squencher for employees that work outdoors. It is better than Gatorade. They had these little packets about the size of instant oatmeal packs that had liquid concentrate in them. You added 8 Oz of water to the packs and drank them. Soooooo good.
5:18 whooooo I have no idea what a dot is other that a place you’re supposed to be on the field FRONT ENSEMBLE EVERY DAY BABY!!!!!!
Snoop Dogg 100% marched Mandarins
I wish I could find out where and why the rumor spread because it's definitely one of the weirder ones. Weirder than bob barker dying in my eyes for sure.
I thought it was 91, in which he wouldve been 19 and before his appearance in dre's album in 92
Supposedly, he marched second mello in either ‘91 or ‘92. The rumor goes that his PR team didn’t like the fact that he marched DCI (thought it was bad for his image) and paid to have any evidence of him marching destroyed. However, there is still one group photo that exists showing Snoop in uniform. I swear I’ve seen it at some point, but it also could very well be a fever dream at this point. We’re talking 7-8 years ago during peak >implying days (iykyk). I choose to believe it’s cannon lol
allen town push for front ensemble
If you make another iceberg video, you should look into "You guys, Bob Barker died!"
This was a joke in the early-mid 2000's -- each year Bob Barker "died" during DCI tour. It was basically a joke about people being disconnected from the "outside" world during tour in those days since it was pre-smartphones.
Dawg how jfk saved Boston Crusaders(idk if it’s in your Boston video or not)
i think that would be a good topic for a video on its own
@@CJsMusicTrumpet so would the time BAC folded and the members got stuck in the UK