Sorry for some reason the video rendered in 720p. I'm not sure what happened but hopefully it's not that big of a deal! Edit: I messed up a little bit in Number 1 when I was referring to the Gospel of Judas, the Gnostics, and the Nag Hammadi library. I oversimplified a lot in the essence of time and as a result a lot of nuance was lost, but the gist of it is largely correct. For example, I should have stated that not all the texts (like the Gospel of Judas, the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, and the Gnosis of the Invisible God) were discovered in the Nag Hammadi library but were discovered at different Gnostic sites/excavations. There were also a lot of other factors that determined what ended up as "canon" in early Christianity such as general popularity which I should have mentioned. Check out this great video if you want so more info: th-cam.com/video/SCy7NuujCLc/w-d-xo.html
I messed up a little bit in Number 1 when I was referring to the Gospel of Judas, the Gnostics, and the Nag Hammadi library. I oversimplified a lot, but the gist of it is correct. For example, I should have stated that texts like the Gospel of Judas, the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, and the Gnosis of the Invisible God were not discovered in the Nag Hammadi library but were discovered at similar different sites/excavations.
@TREY after researching all these inconsistencies and changes with the bible, have you found that the majority of the rest is kept consistent? From the oldest to newest texts? It would be cool to just review those texts to see what’s been consistently recorded throughout the generations.
@@aidan-ator7844 The "Historical" accuracy of the Bible is still being questioned to this day by many people, so I don't know what you mean with "not a single historian"
the gospels of Matthew, Luke and John elaborate on things that happened after the women go to the tomb. not only that, but if you read the actual passage in Mark, it can be surmised that the ending where the women tell no one refers to the immediate timeframe of them experiencing these supernatural events and that when enough time had passed for them to calm down, they eventually told people which leads to the accounts in Matthew, Luke and John.
There's actual a "manga" version of the Bible that I've seen sold at some bookstores. The only downside is the characters don't seem to have the oversized anime eyes.
I actually liked the clifhanger version of the ending more, not only it's a callback to the the beginning of Mark, but also to the story of Adam and Eve which tells a story of about choosing either obey or not to obey the commands of the lord, definitely puts the bible into a whole new different perspective or perhaps strengthening it's supposed theme.
the discussion about "which ending is the best?" kind of misses the point of "which ending is the truth?" What's clear is that the cliffhanger isn't the end of the story, because we somehow still got to know what happened
@@gz6963 To be honest, probably only a very small portion of the bible is factually correct, and most of it that has some grain of truth to it is heavily distorted, exaggerated or mistranslated. The bible isn't a history book after all, it's a collection of stories, that in a lot of cases were passed orally before being written down, then translated into a bunch of different languages and changed by people with their own interests in mind
Sometimes it's through straight up sanctioned ignorance. I remember being told in some of my theology courses that evangelical Christianity tends not to believe that people need education on the Bible. The main concern is that if people need study in order to believe, then very few will actually do so. (Whether this is motivated by opposition to gatekeeping or opposition to losing out on revenue is a case by case issue.)
"Knowledge is power." Whoever has control of the truth can use it as a tool. Those who are denied the whole truth, thusly, also are denied some power, and yet, believing they are wise, themselves may be used as tools to convert and control others, until eventually, the partial truths are understood to be entire, when cognoscenti know, they are imperfect. Rulers in many societies around the world have been unscrupulous, using people's ignorance to gain and hold power, which also translates into monetary power, which is even stronger than mere words. "Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely." Jesus's entire point was to have people gain their own, individual understandings of his deity concept by seeking ecstatic experiences, as he himself did, by various ascetic acts, such as going into the desert to "confront the devil." This shamanic approach is in direct opposition to rulers' power. Jesus was a rabbi in an oral Aramaic sect, which lay outside the confines of stricter, liturgical sects of Judaism at the time.
Because they don't want people questioning the status quo. Educated people ask difficult questions. Christianity is largely an overlay to peoples everyday lives - that is they don't often believe it, but it's just there. Look at Christianity in other cultures, and you will see they have mingled Christianity with pre existing local beliefs, mainly in an attempt by the church to become relevant to the locals.
@@jaciobe Organised religion is. Tribal cults are just shared beliefs. Neo-Pagans run a gamut from trying to rival organised, corrupted systems, to being simple, personal systems, using shamanic techniques to achieve ecstasy, and see the divine within ourselves and others. It's not all the same, and not all religious people are pretending, even if many are misguided. There isn't one "true" religion. There's just Science, and our Ultimate Creator's language is DNA codons, crafting ecosystems via evolution. People need to get back to understanding that we aren't apart from Nature, we're a part of Nature. There isn't anything more, other than meditative navel gazing.
@Never Surrender1248 No, it isn't. More and more people become self aware, more and more stories coming out about people leaving the various cults around the world. Also, I don't believe someone who unironically says "Life of Brian" is atheist propaganda is an atheist.
Bottom line>? All guesswork & more falsification to what is claimed as the word of a God. The only undeniable FACT is it ALL was written by humans. Now add in the admitted alterations & removal of some parts & face the true reality of today's "Holy Bible" , an altered FALSE edition of an extremely old book, used throughout history to commit sins against others. At the present time, being year 2022, the two most violently & "sinfil" religions or groups of people that claim to follow & believe in this book, throughout history are the: "Holy Catholic Church", run by the Vatican and "Islam/Sharia Law", under present control by a mixed group of warrior fanatics (Taliban, Al Queda,selfproclaimed prophets & Shahs, etc.) claiming to be muslems of some kind. Both groups are full of lying self-centered control freaks, ass-kissing wannabe's, sexual predators & pedophiles, from the very top to the living slaves at the bottom. Hopefully all followers of these "religeons" will suffer in the worst of all the Hells they "believe" in
I think it would be fascinating to read an “absolute” version of the Bible, with every removed/added stories across different sections of Christianity. Not necessarily as a denomination of its own, but more so as a compilation of what modern bibles would have been without anything omitted.
It sounds great but would also run into a tooon of debate over what counts as scripture and what just counts as stories- for instance you could make a good case for Dante's Inferno or Milton's Paradise Lost as being influential enough on modern thought about the christian afterlife to count as scripture, as much as Enoch could have. We can't prove that Enoch wasn't written originally in the same way as Inferno was, as an imagining of what the afterlife could or might be that eventually became a part of public consciousness and belief
@@amberbydreamsart5467 I don't care about the afterlife, I want to baselessly speculate about real life history through an exhaustive compilation of random holy texts lmao
Not a bad idea, ONLY if you accept that it is correct for everyone to believe in a God that is different & unique for each of us. We would ALL have to agree to have the same faith in this. Making it a sin to call any person's God as a false god & not use religeon as a tool of power & subjugation over others, Something which has always been at the root of any religeon. NEVER has humanity agreed on anything so fully it was instinctual & we never will. We would have to change to be something other than human.
The Jesus Seminar tried to do something like that, but it's a very long time since I studied them (in seminary) and I don't know how far they got with that project. Try looking them up. They were, and may still be, a rather large and *very* controversial group.
6:08 Jesus in Luke: Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. Jesus in Mark: My love and compassion ain't the only things rated E for everyone
I like that ending, where the girls don't tell anyone, for the same reason you stated. Like a kinda good ending, but it's still ominous and leaves room for discussing it with others and making theories
But that may not have been the original purpose at all. The oldest Christian writings we have (from St. Paul) state that: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" (I Corinthians 15:3-5) So to the earliest Christians it was Cephas (Peter) who became the first official witness, not the women. The ending of Mark would have made perfect sense to them. The women were the first to see the opened tomb but not the first witnesses to the resurrected Jesus. In fact, they never saw the resurrected Jesus at all. They heard a story from some dude in the tomb. That's it. It was Peter who then became the first to encounter the resurrected Jesus and bear witness to the congregation. If you were a Christian living closer to the time of Paul, then you would have been reciting the same creed Paul recited in I Corinthians. Yet all our stories of Mary Magdalene indicate that she was important to the resurrection story, which hints that early Christians may also have had a competing story that Mary was the first witness, not Peter. So the original purpose of the ending of Mark may have been to reconcile the contradiction between the stories of Mary and the early Christian creed. Mary was first to the opened tomb but Peter was still the first proper witness like the creed says. Why? Because Mary didn't tell anyone. The women are specifically needed to satisfy the "on the third day" fulfillment of the supposed messianic prophecy. It wasn't enough that Jesus came back from the dead. He had to have come back on the third day. So if Peter had borne witness to the resurrection past the expiry date, some event had to have marked the event itself. The women became a convenient time marker of the supposed resurrection.
Jesus should have used reverse psychology into everyone. "Hey leper, let everyone know I healed you" "Hey girls, don't tell anyone about the resurrection thingy"
Great video! I agree that “#1: Books Removed” could have been more nuanced, but you definitely get the gist correct! There were tons of other books floating around that Jews and Christians considered authoritative but later fell out of favor (e.g. Tobit and Enoch in particular). The Qumran sectarians apparently valued the Book of Enoch for example since a few copies were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. As for Christians, the Shepherd of Hermas is a better example than the Nag Hammadi books in my opinion. The Shepherd of Hermas was super popular and even appears alongside other New Testament compilations. Even the Codex Sinaiticus contains a copy of the Shepherd of Hermas!
Not religious but I really like this level of care and concern because it not only teaches biblical history, but the thoughts and morals of those who passed it down with their changes. Thank you trey
As an atheist, I very much enjoy your videos. The early days of Christianity are utterly fascinating to me, especially given how different various texts of the Bible are to their modern-day counterparts.
I thought wine/vineger was Posca, which was made by wine turned to vinegar. It was a common military drink of the legions. So in that viewpoint, the legionnaires could have a supply. So the soldiers wanted Jesus to suffer longer, or thought thirst was a worse way to go than crucifixion. This I believe was a mistake due to the Greek authors not knowing anything about Roman military drinks.
It wasn't to extend the torture. It was part of the mocking the soldiers did. The Roman soldiers mocked Jesus by sarcastically calling him a King. The crown of thorns, the tunic, etc was part of the sarcasm. Anyway, a sponge on a stick was a roman butt cleaning device.😅 (It was cleaned with sea water...not vinegar). Sponges weren't always used, cloth, cotton ball thingies, etc were available to most...and we're shared, publicly. Only wealthy people carried their own personal "sea sponge on a stick" butt cleaning device. E.g. A Roman soldier would think any king carries his own personal genuine sea sponge on a stick. And not a cloth stick, or something else. Second, the lower classes drank a drink called Posca. Vinegar mixed with water and sometimes, some flavouring (mostly herbs). The lower class Greeks adopted this strange drink but didn't have a word for it, so they just called it vinegar in Greek. The Upper classes hated this drink...and took offence it being offered to them as it's a symbol of being of low class. E.g., offering Posca to a noble, emperor, wealthy person, or a king would be a big insult. In Rome, at first, only well-off individuals could become soldiers...the type of people who would never drink posca. After Marius' military reforms, mostly the lower classes became soldiers (not counting officers). Eventually, soldiers were given Posca as part of their ration...daily. If a Roman soldier gave you a drink a Greek calls vinegar, in Greek, it's definitely Posca. The Roman soldiers were mocking Jesus with the epithet that read "King of the Jews" (continuing the King themed mocking). Offering Posca with a Sponge on a Stick, to a King, would be a massive insult/degrading...in a very sarcastic fashion.
The note about Jesus’ stern character in Mark is actually really relevant to the Nag Hammadi texts: one argument against their validity is Jesus constantly getting stern in tone and even annoyed with his disciples in a few of the books, but there are several other instances throughout the original Bible that highlight that Jesus wasn’t always calm and gentle (him becoming irate and flipping tables of merchants comes to mind).
because he was only human to begin with! but imagine being The Jesus of Nazareth in early history times 😂 where 80% of the world would be illiterate - and even your closest friends can't grasp what you're saying? id get irate, too.
Righteous anger concerning what was then seen as the Temple of God , until after the crucifixion, when we ( our body and soul ) become the temple to house God directly , and so commune directly.
As a Christian, all I can say is bravo. This was so well done. And to be honest, this has strengthened my faith. This makes the Bible feel so much more real to me. Thank you for this.
So seeing discrepancies in the "infallible" word of God and claiming the Bible is the word of God while the scripture has been corrupted strengthens your faith?
I totally agree! Even before seeing this video, I've been getting into learning about the history of the books of the Bible, and in my opinion it really helps with trying to interpret it.
Infancy Gospel of Matthew depicts Jesus the child like Carrie the movie. Kills children, withers hands, "step" dad Joseph laments that anyone who pisses is kid off (Jesus) end up dying. www.vice.com/en_us/article/nzn5zd/baby-jesus-was-kind-of-a-dick
Screw that! I want a Heavy Metal rendition of The Book of Giants! Flesh-Eating antedeluvian behemots > some dudes who thought they had secret passwords to get into heaven.
In the meantime, flat earth paradise has a video called "sophia, the black sun, gnosticism..." The video title is longer so I shortened it. Star seeds tend to be drawn to gnosticism, and videos like Trey's. There are videos about Star Seeds too.
Ah yes, the secret ending where Jesus waits 15 minutes before eating his last supper. I hope Bible 2 isn't going to re-use it for a cheap 'chievo in the story's introduction.
If you are interested in gnostic or other gospels omitted from the bible I recommend starting with the book of Jasher. Super interesting, and imo I don't know why it was omitted. The book of adam and eve is perhaps more obvious lol... Still don't know why song of Solomon is in the KJV hahs
As a Greek, I had a fanboy moment when I saw the fanart mosaic in the beginning with "Τρει ο Εξηγητής" - literally "Trey the Explainer", even though greek around the period such artwork was made was not only very different, but typically stylized
wow i didn't see this comment untl a year later lol I am the one who made that I made that piece in like literally 4 hours until like 5am because i could not sleep which is why i just google translated 'the explainer' and transliterated trey if i could've tried to replicate more proper greek i might've but yknow it is how it is glad you really liked it
15:40 Something kind of similar happened in the Harry Potter books, though in this case its more of an omission than a mistake. In the first three books J.K. Rowling referred to Severus Snape as a fairly short man. But after the 6'1" Alan Rickman was cast in the role for the film adaptions she basically avoided talking about Snape's height for the remainder of the book series.
@Bruce strkland No. Human nature is not to lie, or leave things out, or just contradict themselves. That is the devil's work. Lucifer is responsible for these things. Or Lucifer's other names: Yaldebaoth, or the demi urge. He has so many other names he goes by. But you will find information more easily using one of those three names. That bastard.
Being a Christian myself I’ve always thought it was important to not always literally interpret the Bible, I also believe that understanding the context and history behind many of the themes in the Bible is important. GREAT VIDEO!
@@im4everskilled I love when certain atheists say that they are open minded and enlightened only to immediately mock someone they disagree with and insult their beliefs with no reason too. Even if the person they are insulting is being appreciative. Golden hypocrite.
I started researching this in 1973. Pilate never got an answer to his question, "What is truth?" The college library had some of the New Testament apocrypha, those books are now easily accessible on the web. Thanks for the fascinating look at this sacred cow of folklore and orthodoxy. Well done, you!
He was answered prior to his question and after "I am the truth" and "kingdom of god is within you". To a Roman this was incomprehensible:why would the high priests want to crucify and insist so much for a fool?
It would be interesting to compare the "mentality" of modern Christians vs early Christians. It seems that Goliath the Giant wasn't a "giant" at all, but just an abnormally tall man; the angel in Christ's tomb might have just been an old man. Women had a bigger role before some editing... I'm starting to think that the people who lived closer to Jesus's time than today took the stories a lot less literally, rather taking the lesson than the literal details, which btw seem to be blown out of proportion at this point. The original seems a lot more realistic/plausible... and a lot more morally conflicting. More human than the whitewashed stuff you get today (haha get it? Cause white Jesus? nvm).
I view the Bible as a source of life lessons. A kind of a philosophy/history book. It's a way to teach wisdom, but for me taking the Bible literally is quite naive. Studying the different creatures and symbols in the Bible, their origin and meaning, and impact on our modern perception of the world, because of them is way more valuable, than just merely believing.
That final message has really opened my mind and i wanted to say thank you. These videos when they came out led me down a really exciting path of self discovery. I'm really lucky to be getting to study the Hebrew and Christian Bibles in more depth at my university this semester and i got rather nostalgic for this video!!! The keeping of textual variants makes the Bible so interesting, and especially for the Hebrew Bible more beautiful in my opinion. Thanks Trey!!!
Absolutely agreed. it also makes you, if you believe, rely on God, more than people's bull. And in making your own mind and relationship up, rather than being dictated by bigots and right wing agenda-ists and loonies.
Without adding the other ending to the Gospel of Mark does make you consider how the writer knew about the women in the tomb if they didn't say anything about it.
It all seems like a flimsy explanation from "Mark": "well, the reason you haven't heard from Jesus ever since his crucifixion is because no one told you! But he is risen, I promise you. See, there are three women witnesses, and a random dude had told them that Jesus rose, but they were so afraid they didn't tell anyone else." If God wanted to show the people that his messiah was risen, why not tell anyone? Why send some dude, without explanation of who he is (Mark sure is lazy here), and have him tell two random women? Surely, this guy or even God could go to the disciples. But a better question: if Jesus rose, why didn't he go to them personally? Or at least wait for the women? Surely, if something miraculous happened like rising from the grave, you'd tell it at least to the disciples who believe you are the messiah?
@@spinakker14 Jesus does wait for different people in the other gospels. And Mark's long ending. And as far as the "no ending" ending of Mark goes I think that'd be missing the point that Trey pointed out (Mark thematically being about people not listening to God).
@@merrittanimation7721 it makes sense too that a woman would take a mans name for her pen name since most did anyways cause psychologically speaking, most will pick a male author over a female's, and in a time where women were to be seen, not heard, you wouldnt want to hear what a woman has to say as much as a man who is seen as the dominant.
The Gospel of Judas makes more sense imo, I've always found it weird that Christians in my life hated Judas so much when technically his actions were pretty instrumental to the entire arc of Jesus. Jesus telling him to do seems more logical imo
Specially since Judas was the smartest, or most knowledgeable amongst the disiples. Such a sad fate that he is now known as the betrayer, while in reality he was the sacrifice. Or part of the sacrifice.
The sum of money he betrayed Jesus for was also paltry. My personal interpretation is that Judas also mistook Jesus's purpose and saw him as a revolutionary figure that would overthrow the corrupt church and Rome, so he was intentionally trying to provoke a conflict with the authorities.
@@HueghMungus Nope. The smartest disciple was Mary Magdalene, and the one who really understood Jesus' teachings. Judas was the betrayer, because has become very doubtful on Jesus words. If he wasn't a real traitor he wouldn't hanged up himself by remorse.
That vinegar drink on the cross was actually a standard drink of Roman soldiers. It wasn't given to him maliciously or mockingly, but out of compassion, since the soldier giving to him was just giving Jesus what he himself drank.
Water containers outside from tanned leather is expensive for soldiers. Soldiers usually have ale and vinegar mix in their rations so that even if they lose their water supply.
@@pennychurchward1481 I wonder where exactly this comes from. I've heard it for years, but never a really good explanation for exactly how "all water" was undrinkable. Creeks? Rivers? Lakes? Rain?
im actually relieved that i already know about the bible changes you mentioned, thanks to my 8 theology classes i took in college plus my curious mind that somehow lead me to informations or videos like this. but i cannot deny the fact that i love your videos trey. thanks for taking time to explain and try to be respectful to others beliefs.
Don’t mention that to the militant atheists here. According to them, you don’t exist, considering they claim no theology course ever teaches about the obscure and dicey parts of the Bible.
I'm relieved that I was able to learn all these variances in a short Sunday morning at home on my couch instead of spending 8 years paying for the information and obtaining a signature on paper saying I should be competent and expert... the real world doesn't really care about degrees and being an auto didactic person is a more useful skill. Finding God and welcoming Jesus into our lives isn't enough but anyone can start down the path on their own in through different mediums God uses to wave a hand in front of your face. God bless and remember that you Do sin all the time and we are imperfect.. but we can repent and welcome God into your life by trying to glorify him and his grace/kindness.. watching NDE videos on YT helps.
@MW-nOttawa Wow, you start off with a really sarcastic rude comment, and end it by trying to sway people into your religion. You really are making it hard on yourself, buddy. No understanding of social tact. And you wonder why it's so hard to convince people to join your side.
@@MW-nOttawaJust because you read law books/youtube doesn’t make you competent at it as a lawyer does, same goes with engineering, medic, accounting, history, architecture, etc. What an ugly attempt to discredit someone’s achievement and qualification.
It's fascinating and also kind of sad. People fighting to death over these stories, torturing each other, ostricizing each other. I don't think that's what Jesus wanted to happen.
Corrections and Omissions: Enoch wasn't some fantastic discovery from a single source. There are manuscripts of it in multiple different collections and it's a part of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo church. Gnostics weren't a sect of Christianity. The term "gnostic" is a label of convenience that we use these days to refer to a number of somewhat diverse texts and purported belief systems, largely because a guy who wrote a letter had a real mad on for them. Given their notions of secret knowledge they most likely represented an approach to Christianity that took the form of a mystery cult (like Freemasons or Scientologists). Early Christianity was quite a bit more diverse than you seem to be giving it credit for. Specifically, there was no orthodoxy of any sort. It basically started out with "Once upon a time there was this rad zombie," and derivative traditions kind of ran with it however they wanted to. The specific elements that made the zombie rad or even the general disposition of the zombie were pretty variable. "Gnosticism" also didn't necessarily originate from Christianity so far as we can tell. The exact origins aren't nailed down, but the influences that formed it definitely predated the origins of Christianity, with potential Neoplatonic, Persian, and Buddhist faiths all contributing to its formation. To my untrained eye it sure does look like a cosmology as complex and sharply deviant from now-orthodox Christianity probably had to come from somewhere and didn't emerge all by itself, but that's just the guess of one idiot. The only evidence we have that the Nag Hamadi library was deliberately hidden to avoid persecution is the aforementioned mad on. It's entirely likely that the manuscripts are just regular old burial trappings. With no orthodoxy there would be no organized church and therefore no body to execute any specific persecution. It's pronounced BAR-bel-oh. There's a complex cosmology that a lot of the so called gnostic texts share. In this case, Barbelo is kind of a confusing concept, since it is characterized as both an entity and a plane of existence. Suggesting that Jesus emerged from the realm of Barbelo thus lands somewhere between Docetist and Arian belief, both of which were still contested subjects even after Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome. I suggest that this argues even more strongly that there wasn't any specific, directed persecution aimed at Christian mystery cults even then. The Gospel of Judas isn't as kind to Judas as you indicate. While he's the only one among the disciples who recognizes Jesus as an emanation from Barbelo and as generally opposed to the Demiurge, Jesus still treats him like a child and basically pats him on the head and tells him to run along. Jesus is actually kind of an ass in that one. One theory of Mark that you don't get into deserves mention. Christians wanted to differentiate themselves from Jews early on, and one of the ways that they did that was in the form of the documents that they kept their scripture on. Jews used scrolls and Christians used codices (books). One hypothesis holds that one of the earliest versions of Mark (from which the ones we have derived) had a page that simply fell out. Indeed - highlighting a difference in tone between Mark and Matthew/Luke (the three Synoptic Gospels) then poses some tension with what is still accepted as the most likely formation of authorship - the two-document hypothesis. If some redactor were to combine Mark (or proto-Mark) with an hypothesized sayings gospel (Q), it would still leave open the question of where the end of the narrative would have come from, since sayings gospels are specifically NOT narrative in their construction. Given that most of the widely accepted theories assume Marcan priority, however, if we're going to consider Matthew and Luke as derivatives (because they do inherit things from Mark) that would seem to imply the existence of a lost synoptic gospel.
@@RabidHobbit The best book I can think of is "Gnosticism: New light on the ancient tradition of inner knowing" by Hoeller. It's an intro to Gnosticism, but also describes how diverse peoples' beliefs were at the time. It gave me a better sense of what the world was like for the Gnostics, who generally considered themselves Christian. I am a noob, but this book was sort of an entry point for me.
There is a book called "My Lives with Lucifer, Satan, Hitler & Jesus" - it is a tough read and 18+ only - gives an another perspective to the life of Jesus & his mission... The author is Kim Michaels...
Your two part video series are awesome! You did a fantastic job of explaining in the simplest of terms the complicated history of the Bible and especially the "New Testament." I have done a lot of research myself and agree with most of what you state in your videos. People need to do this kind of research when they attend any "Bible study" at any church they attend. I attempted to teach this to people at a church I used to belong to and it resulted in my attendance dropping from about 12 people down to 0 after a few weeks. People just don't want to accept these facts and will argue with anger in their voices if you try to teach it to them. It was such a disappointing experience, I quit that church and although I still believe in Jesus very much, I don't attend any church any more because the priests and pastors and even nuns in the Catholic Church are all lying to those who attend classes they teach! It's so sad!
I always found it odd that people think Judas was bad when he was simply fulfilling gods prophecy. He was Jesus most passionate and loyal follower, I find it incredibly likely that he did it because Jesus asked him too full well known his name would be defamed for eternity.
@@mooninc.185 "And as they were eating, he said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you will *betray* me.”" - Matt. 26:21 "Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, *“I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”* They said, “What is that to us? See to it yourself.” And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple, he departed, and he went and hanged himself." - Matt. 27:3-5 And in any case, the whole Gnostic story doesn't make any sense. Why would he need Judas to betray him? Why would he keep that secret to his apostles?
The apocryphon of John trips me out. So wild. It claims "Jesus" was the serpent in the garden.. idk how I feel about it but it is fascinating to say the least.
Trey, you're one of the only channels that I watch every single upload. They're always interesting, thought provoking and wholly unique from other youtube channels. Thank you and keep up the great work!
darth geekboy, that’s the kind of comment someone makes when they don’t agree with the faith and want to ardently prove it wrong because they either hate it or have some kind of bad history with it or maybe just don’t want to follow it and hate that other people follow it because of the group-think it inspires that then puts pressure on you to act a certain way. I sincerely hope you would find faith and a good place to practice your faith where people would not abuse your trust and where you could truly experience how God can change a person and move them to love just like the gospels and the letters all have proclaimed.
@@matthewzbornak6880 Christ Jesus is not found in your reply. Have you entered into the Kingdom of Heaven that you may weigh the hearts of others? Have you gone between realms to make the souls of others whole?
On the last change I just find the process of canonization to be very interesting. My professor told us that essentially books were canonized in or out based on if they fit the belief systems at the time, or if they were considered relevant by people in power. This brings up interesting questions though about if some of those books would have been canonized in more modern times if we had the chance
@@korosuke1788there hasnt been that many religious conflicts of early christians. the bible we have today is still that of constantinople and the religious wars really only started after that time. not having a canon actually lead to less wars because no one could truly say that stuff was heretical because the canon wasnt made.
It's my understanding as well, that there was a practice of "divination" used by the clergy and high officials when the choice needed to be made as to which books were to be included in the canon. The candidate books were spread out on a table in the evening and the plan was that in the morning, those books to be selected would be on the table and all others would be on the floor. Of course, no one was to enter the room in the night. Of course...
The Word of God is divinely protected by Him and is the Truth. God is ALMIGHTY. The idea that the Bible has been altered from the Truth is a lie from Satan, to keep us from reading it. DON'T BELIEVE THE LIE, READ THE BIBLE AND ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE YOU DIE AND IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU. SALVATION and ETERNAL LIFE can not be earned it is THE GIFT FROM GOD TO ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THEIR SAVIOR. PERIOD.
slamee100 Having blind faith is a nice and comforting thought, but even Jesus taught to have a healthy amount of skepticism about everything. And to never just blindly believe.
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞 John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞 Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞 That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus. The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC. That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
@@Epck You're welcome :) quran.com/5 You may want to check out this chapter as well, the end is actually a conversation that will take place on the day of judgement between God and Jesus(peace be upon him). This link will direct you to the conversation part (recitation and translation) th-cam.com/video/8bnrhQn7dlk/w-d-xo.html
Fun Fact: In one of the early printings of the King James Bible the line "I do not condemn you; go and sin no more" was misprinted as "I do not condemn you; go and sin on more"
Great video as usual, Trey! I actually wrote a paper for my New Testament Greek class two years ago in which I argued that Mark did not end at verse eight of chapter 16 but that the original ending was simply lost. My reasoning for this was mainly that it would be incredibly strange for a book to end with the word γάρ. Γάρ is a postpositive conjunction used to connect two independent clauses; due to the syntactic constraints that govern its use, it almost never appears at the end of a sentence in the corpus of Greek literature and literally never at the end of an entire work. Because of this, I suspect that part of the original manuscript was lost and that the words εφοβουντο γαρ are really just a fragment of a longer sentence.
Couldn't that use of syntax be seen as a literary device. One that is used to add to the message of an ambiguous or unfinished ending (in the version that ends in verse 8).
What also was not mentioned in the video, or here, was the curious gap left between the ending of Mark and the beginning of Luke in Vaticanus that was not used for other books in the Codex. This lends to the longer ending being known to the scribe, and perhaps in his possession at his time. Due to unknown reasons, the shorter option won out. Further more, there is patristic evidence for the longer ending of Mark. Also of note, the portion of Luke that notes Christ "being in agony" also finds patristic evidence. The maker of the video failed to note that Luke has been archaeologically proven to have been alive in the first century, particularly during the time of Paul's journeys. He also claims to have been a companion of Paul's and also claims to have interviewed the witnesses themselves concerning Jesus and also "set the things in order." The gospels are accurate renderings of history. They are corroborated by 1 Corinthians 15, which is generally accepted by scholars as an original work of Paul's.
In Quran (Islamic Holy Book) Jesus is mentioned to make birds out of clay (worked with his hand) and as a miracle, breathe life into those birds, by the will of God. 18:35 as you you said Makes things with his hand = Tekton. Maybe here Quran may actually clear up the contradiction.
@@oyoo3323 Well, no offence, but a proper history lesson is needed. You can argue about others but Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) did exist and he wasn't a pseudo-historical figure. Can you deny the existence of the Rashidun Caliphate and the four Caliphs? Muhammad was present in their life. The people who actually saw Muhammad (S.A.W), believed in him, and learned directly from him were not 12... they numbered in thousands at the time of his death. The narrations of his life verified by Islamic Scholars like Imam Bukhari and others. These narrations, Quranic verses written during Muhammad (S.A.W)'s lifetime. There are so many things that can be said here. What sort of direct proof do you demand? Just asking out of curiositye.
@@oyoo3323 dude are you seriously putting forward the "Jesus is Horus" theory? Stuff's been debunked for decades. The only actual similarities are super general. Also I'm pretty sure that the modern academic consensus is that Jesus, although not pertaining to a lot of the gospel stories did exist. The reasoning being that apocalyptic judaism was big at the time, so there's nothing weird about a prophet dude going around preaching that kind of theology. And makes more sense than if people just made it up one day.
this was a good series (although only 2 episodes long). Such information is extremely important for understanding modern religions objectively, but is rarely talked about. Something that intrigued me was the number of Christian sects shown at the end of video. I only knew about the Protestant sects, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodoxy (Albanian, Greek and Oriental). If you would be interested, please make a video/series explaining the history of sects and when and why they separated from other Christian beliefs.
I've always found the stories in the Bible incredibly interesting, even if my actual belief in them has been minor. If one views them as mythology, then they are just as interesting as the Norse and Greek. I remember this awesome animated series from when I was a kid, where each episode was a story from the Bible, animated in a different style. Wonderful stuff, and something anyone who appreciates a good story should check out, wether they are religious or not. 🙂
@ I'm not quite sure what you mean with "knowledgeable men", but I agree that the gospels are different and comparing them to myths are a stretch. I do think they are mythologized versions of real events , so the comparison isn't too far-fetched, but they do have a quite different function. (Some of the texts in the New Testament are straight up political, and have a very clear real-world purpose.) Still, as an agnostic, I do find both the myths of old and the texts in the Bible to have a similar function: Worldviews and ideas that in some regards are outdated, but still has something to teach us.
@Ninja Crackpot I don't quite get what you are saying, but I guess you argue that the New Testament is based on real events? I agree with you on that, and my statement wasn't meant to argue that they are the same thing, but that they have a similar function to a non-believer like myself: old stories that shouldn't be taken at face value, but that still have wisdom in them that we could consider today. The funny thing is that Snorre, who wrote down most of the Norse myths we know today, was a Christian and tried to justify the myths as real historical stories, but that the gods weren't real gods, only mighty kings and heroes claiming to be God. He even snuck in references to "the true God", mightier than Odin. A friend of mine wrote a master's theises on how the story of Odin hanging himself in Yggdrasil to gain knowledge might have been influences by Christian stories of Jesus' crucifixion that the Vikings heard on their travels. He didn't really fully believe this himself, as the thesis was mostly a critique of the "one old God" theory that is popular, where scholars think Odin and Wodan and other northern-european gods are just different versions of a singular original deity. My friend wanted to show how such singular views with arguable evidence could limit our openness to different possibilities.
@ you do realize you completely contradicted yourself, right?
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@@Rhaenarys how so? The torah is written by lawmakers and sages, the Gospels were written by basically illiterate witnesses, they are AND feel different. The definition of myth lines up only with some stuff of the old testament, not with "lmao the omniscent guy got betrayed, he never saw it coming" in the new testament. That would make for a shitty myth tbh
17:52 Hebrew speaker and I confirm. Also in the bible I own and also online: וַתְּהִי-עוֹד הַמִּלְחָמָה בְּגוֹב, עִם-פְּלִשְׁתִּים; וַיַּךְ אֶלְחָנָן בֶּן-יַעְרֵי אֹרְגִים בֵּית הַלַּחְמִי, אֵת גָּלְיָת הַגִּתִּי, וְעֵץ חֲנִיתוֹ, כִּמְנוֹר אֹרְגִים. "Vatehi-od Hamilchama Begov, im-Plishthim; Vayakh Elkhanan Ben-Ya'eri Orgim Beit Ha'Lakhmi, Et Goliath Ha'Githi, Ve'Etz Khanito, Kimnor Orgim." "Et Goliath Ha'Githi" - "Goliath of Gath" Now meanwhile searching, I found out that in the books of chronicles 1 20:5 (I'm relying on Hebrew sources here) it's stated: וַתְּהִי עוֹד מִלְחָמָה אֶת פְּלִשְׁתִּים וַיַּךְ אֶלְחָנָן בֶּן יעור אֶת לַחְמִי אֲחִי גָּלְיָת הַגִּתִּי וְעֵץ חֲנִיתוֹ כִּמְנוֹר אֹרְגִים "Vatehi-od milchama et Plishthim Vayach Elkhanan ben Ye'or et Lakhmi *Akhi* Goliath Hagithi..." (yeah, they changed it a bit, and also "Akhi" means "brother".) Now, Jewish bible commentator go as back as Christian commentators, I think, if not as earlier (if you consider sources such as Talmud and Midrashim). There are many approaches to this problem. The "traditional eligious" approach says that David and Elkhanan are the same person. Rashi (Salomon de Troyes) [my bad translation, sorry beforehand]: "Elkhanan - David 'son of Ya'ari weavers' [Ben Ye'ari Orgim] - for his family were weavers of Parochet [something like a sacred curtain or a covering] for a temple named Ya'ar." It seems that for most Jewish\Hebrew modern scholars, it was indeed an earlier version of the story that was later adapted to the story you find in Samuel 1. To most of them, because of the style and nature of how it wasn't edited out and changed a-bit, it's intentional, and probably an attempt to glorify David.
John 5:39 - "Search the scriptures; for in them you THINK you have eternal life..." 2 Corinthians 3:6c - "...for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life."
I loved this... You've sent me researching and man do I love to read. I look forward to more Bible history, it's one of my favourite books. And thank you for not having those weird music influencing peoples' feeling.
A lot of Hollywood and film culture is inspired from the Bible. Shakespeare stole a lot of ideas from the Bible for his plays. When Cesar dies, he writes into the play the occurrences during Jesus's death.
Wouldnt that be awesome if when Judas hung himself, he wakes up in hell to a crucified Jesus (who also just got to Hell) saying," Hello dear friend, put your Armor of God on, we have work to do."
The One on the Cross wasn't Jesus, but not Judas either. It was another disciple which God made him seem to be Jesus. And the Angel sitting on the Tomb, Lmao that's most probably Satan
Trey, if you want to know about the vinegar and wine thing, look at this. *Posca* *-* *Posca was an Ancient Roman drink, made by mixing vinegar, water, and perhaps herbs. It was the soldiers, the lower classes and the slaves who drank posca, a drink despised by the upper class.* This was the principal drink of virtually all Roman soldiers, their 'Gatorade' of sorts. It's what would have most likely been at hand during Jesus' crucifixion. What conclusion is one left to draw?
@Stefan Urban Nope- the Romans were pretty lazy abou the crucifixions, they were actually only a couple of inches off the ground. They weren't concerned with making a lot of effort as they crucified many people. Whip them, tie them for the most part (nails were not typical), then put the cross bar on a stake in the ground, with their feet about 6" off the ground. Leave them to die.
I have heard that the drink that was offered to him while on the cross had a narcotic in it to ease his pain and to make him look as though he had died. He later recovered from the narcotic while in tomb and was able to get out of it.
@@mharclerode However, with Jesus and the other two, this was special. The other two were not thieves but insurgents and since Jesus was seen as a major trouble maker, this crucifixion was meant to show others what would happen to them if they didn't shut up and tow the line. There are drawings of a man with the head of a donkey on a cross, this was meant to represent Jesus. Crucifixions were extremely shameful and the donkey was considered to be a very lowly animal. People could not understand why anyone would worship someone who died so shamefully and he also rode a donkey into Jerusalem with the people laying palm fronds in front of him as though he was a king on a majestic mount. So, a crucified man with the head of a donkey was used to represent Jesus (Yeshua).
Ya got me! I haven't been adding subscriptions lately because I doubt I will ever have time to watch all the subscriptions I have added since THE BEGINNING. ..but with your parting words reminding your followers that the Bible remains a respectable book while seeing it in reality, a changing text subtlly comforting. I find the omnipotence provoking that thiese important books continue to unfold, revealing itself as prophesized; and timing of course is everything. Your purity impressed me and summarizes nicely what I have been feeling while on my own spiritual journey .I have met a brother who is just ahead on the same trail. It is satisfying to know of your many interests rather than trying to pass yourself off as some higher sort of being because you have explored and understood these books. Perhaps you struggle with bringing it into focus as I do.. I often feel filled with awe and delight knowing I am eternal being....and then I come across some possibilities and find them truthful in my heart but not quite fitting in with my yet unsolidified enlightenment. I only know that my desire to fulfill my seeking soul is the greates partI of who I am , and my belief grows stronger that for our Human race to continue, we are to love one another.
1 - I'm in awe of the research you do and the detailed presentations. I always love your videos. 2 - It would definitely turn Christianity on its head if the original texts were published as the 'real Bible'. Talk about denial! The more I hear about the changes make me think that they were added or changed by moralistic misogynists. 3 - It would absolutely disrupt some of modern Christianity if the so called 'lost' books of the bible were put back into it. King James is definitely portrayed as a moralistic misogynist (my new favorite phrase) by the changes and deletions he approved of. Some of these are fascinating, but remember, the texts of these books as we can read them today will probably have changes or additions too. 4 - Before I get too much hate on this, remember that this is only my opinion. 5 - I absolutely loved the inserted picture at 4:02. Laughed out loud!
I'm lucky enough to know Hebrew so I looked up more external books. I'm reading the book of Enoch which was translated from an Ethiopian source back into Hebrew, it fills in so many missing gaps from the mainstream teachings and has some downright fire and brimstone stuff. gonna probably spend the night down this rabbit hole
The thing about book of enoch is that it is written pretty late in history about jesus’s time. What i am saying is that its not actually written by enoch so its fictional, but yes it influenced some newtestment bible.
AppleFrogTomatoFace and the 4 gospels werent written hy Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Most of “Pauls” letters weren’t written by him. 1 and 2 Peter werent written by Peter. Whats your point? Also most of the letters in the “new” testament were written way after the apostles died
@@AppleFrogTomatoFace Even if Enoch didn't write the book which was named after him, something HAS to be true. Otherwise, truth and lie would have no meaning. If everything were a lie, there is no truth, then. If everything were true, lies literally mean nothing. This is the goal, though. To figure out what is actually incorrect so that we have no more lies. And eventually, we get there.
This was a sensational video. I don't subscribe to any faith, but this series gave me a huge amount of insight, I formed new positive and negative opinions about the Bible. Everyone who is faithful needs to watch this video, because I feel like too many are blissfully ignorant. I feel closer to knowing the truth. Even those who scoff at the faithful should watch this. There are things we can take from the bible and use in our lives.
So an interesting textual change I’m familiar with is from Leviticus. The whole man shall not lay with another man line was most likely describing something more akin to pederasty. I’d love to see a deep dive into this change
Thanks for the comment. Was just reading on Leviticus in Wiki (I know, who does that) and in the context of the sexual prohibitions-like a father shall not sleep with his daughter, niece-the “a man shall not sleep with a boy” makes a lot more sense.
It's funny howhomosexuals who don't believe anyhow are so desperate for biblical approval...do you honestly think that the hebrews in the time of Moses were alright withsodomy?
@@frankmuller3157 They were fine with it. The "Sin of Sodom" was being inhospitable to strangers, not butt sex. Literally all instances of the word, "homosexual," in modern transliterations were done just this past century, by one man, who took every word that could have anything to do with sexuality and made it about adult men being together, whereas the original words didn't mean that at all. A better question is, why are people like you, allegedly a Christian, so desperate to prove that your version of religion, and your idea of god, never included, and should never include, gay people? When you end up being shown the original phrasing, with _correct_ transliterations, are you going to suddenly realise you were wrong, having been misled by one man, who really hated gays early last century, and beg forgiveness for your own sins, including Pride? Nah. I didn't think so. Always remember this: It has been the constant hatefulness of people like you, who drove good and kind people like me from among your flocks. We seek acceptance because we come from your own families, and because there isn't anything wrong with how our Creator made us in the womb. Question the creation, you're questioning the Creator. As a Wiccan Elder Priest, I am likely living a life far more in line with the teachings of your Jesus than you, as I listened to his intent, and ignore the later, Hellenised Jewish blatherings of Saul/Paul. Before you decide to respond, or ever speak on this topic again, consider: you are ignorant of the original texts. Stop being so confident from within your ownignorance, as your confidence harms others. Presumably, you want others to treat you as you treat them? Presumably, you shouldn't judge anyone else, unless you want to forgo Jesus' gift to you, and instead be judged by your god based on the accumulated sins of your own life? Have at it, Hoss. It's only _your_ soul. P.S. #ByeFelicia.
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞 John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞 Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞 That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus. The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC. That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
@@carerforever2118 You do understand that the Jews still pray to the God of Old Testament, and they are not worshiping the sun? They also worship on Saturday.
Why do you think it's unknown fact number 3? Because you didn't know. Okay, but let's put our big boy pants on for a fast second! Sailors did sailing stuff and when you do sailing stuff you're in the water and everything the sea does is out of your control and can be seem as an act of God, right? The line is out of the bible and sailors are superstitious AND religious that I will not call the same as religion out of respect to the religious. That saying from the bible was turned into an old sea shanty because that line from the bible was not exactly wrong. Even if the bible was about sea shanties it would make it no less about God in the eyes of sailors... But it's not because that was a joke about a saying in the bible that morphed at some point into something about the sea. It's okay my faithful friends, this was not a dig at or on the bible. Wait! Watch the video before you get offended by a comment or read your bibles more because what I said was in the video and I have a feeling that you two never watched the video so I don't know what I'm trying to explain to you guys.
@@galloe8933 You're correct. Sailors knew this saying long before Christ and following a single god was even a thing. It was well known and had to be for safety reasons, and only known thanks to actual science. Sailors had figured out that the sky turns red before a storm, thanks to changes in pressure and other sciency stuff I just dont remember, but basically changes in the atmosphere thanks to electric energy from the approaching storm makes the sky red. So sky red at night meant the storms would pass over night while red sky in the morning meant you would be stuck in a storm. I'm sure you know all this lol, just wanted to add it to the comments :)
@@Rhaenarys Bravo dude! I never put too much thought into it and this is the first time I've heard it from the bible before hand it was just something my dad used to say so as any child craves wisdom when they are very young, I held onto it into my adult years but I don't think I've ever even tried using it to see if it's true.
My ancestor, James Ussher, was the top theologian in Ireland in the early 1600s. He worked with King James promoting the Anglican Church and persecuting Catholics, influencing the King James Bible translation.
This is super interesting, its crazy how one book has been repeated and translated over such a massively long period of time and has seen all these little changes from edition to edition depending on sensibilities at the time of writing. Just a really cool thing to think about. Love your videos, I appreciate how respectfully you tackle topics like this.
Which makes me wonder even more why they absolutely do not want to change anything today. If it was alright to change the Bible to fit the times, why isn't it acceptable to change it for modern times too.
I recently found your channel, and immediately was drawn into your presentation, factual opinion, and your fascinating knowledge. You have a great channel, and you are a pleasure to listen to. I'm glad TH-cam recommended you, apparently, you're doing all the right stuff. Thank you for the time you devote to this work. For most of us, this is free information, and the least I can do, is leave this comment, complimenting you on your superb edutainment.
Almost forgot to mention, your respect to the historicity of your more cultural subjects. Religion in particular, is commendable. I'm an atheist, former Christian, and I see the facts that's made me an atheist, but I still have respect for those who don't have the lightbulb go off about such things. It's refreshing, to see a non zealous angle. Facts, presented in an educational, but informative way, that doesn't seek to undermine an entire belief system. None the less, it sheds light. Hard to explain, but bitterness shows through, even on the most respectful channels when it comes to atheism, and you don't give off that vibe at all.
Thank you for making these videos informative and not bashing the faith. My Faith is so important to me and I love to learn new things. I love your channel, keep up the good work!
The funny thing is that a lot of the rediscoveries of ancient Books were not a large surprise to most christian Theologians, as we have extensive writings from Church Fathers on why they are heretical and should be rejected.
Jesus made him the one that looks over their treasury so he trusted him and also why he will betrayed jesus for only 30 silver while he probably had access to more in the treasury.
Mark Smileer Oh hi Mark. I see your great wall of text, and I did indeed read it. Obviously this is a subject you are somewhat invested in. I am however not quite sure that I am the right recipient. My comment was just a remark on how Snape and Judas (according to the book of Judas) have similarities. I can tell you this: I am not a believer of any higher beings (in the moment, might one day be convinced otherwise) i am fascinated by faith, it is a truly global an ancient “ideology” of how to control the masses. I have difficulty deserting the meaning of your text, is it one statement or maybe more? And what is your standpoint? Agnostic? Believer and I what the? Look your last paragraph on modern medicine and nasa, is gibberish to me. I read the words, but I am not sure what you are trying to say. What do you mean you can cure your self of everything, who I hiding what and are you saying modern medicine is a hoax? And NASA to? Of course it might just be my limited understanding of the English language, as I a Dane clearly is not a native speaker. Moreover, and you might call me a sheep or whatever, I am a soldier and incredibly trusting of authorities, I love my country and I am willing to fight and die for the people inhabiting it, I’d rather be called a sheepdog. This however is not to be confused with being a simpleton, I am quite well educated and well read, in topics of law, faith and philosophy. I always like new information, so be my guest, tell me everything you believe is the truth (not saying it is not) I will however make my own judgment of it. Just answer one thing; why me? Best regards
@Mark Smileer Sir you have written some words of wisdom but have some stupid things in between : 1-yes The Creator must have spoken with Adam and Eve in a language that probably the mother of all languages today but if you believe in the story of the tower of Babel (which I see as wrong as human language evolves by separation) in the bible that means before 4200 years ago all humans had the same language which is false. 2- the bible is really the oldest telephone game still continuing until today but the Vatican must have the surviving original Gospel hidden and preserved in their archives mostly for faith reasons.
15:00 In England we say "Red sky at night shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning shepherd's warning." dont know if anyone else has the same expression.
Time for phD scholars to write theses on bible contradictions, nuances, deletions, additions, subtractions motivated by war, politics, hegemony, vendetta, personal likes or dislikes etc.
Sam othy, sure. Seems likely. But that's largely because Ehrman is the best at presenting centuries of biblical textual criticism in accessable language for non academics. We should expect experts like Ehrman to have his own thoughts on some of the issues in the field.
Anyone who studies theology researches and writes papers on these topics. They don't get the idea from youtube video - it's quite the opposite. As already stated above, that's where he got the information. Although it may be new to you, that doesn't mean it's new to the field or to others who study it
Nice informative and straightforward mini series, I will be looking forward to similar future videos! I would only like to bring a slight correction : the Gnostics were not one sect or a homogenous group, but rather a wide variety of sects that emerged in the first and the second century. Amongst Gnostics some did identify two different gods in the two testaments, but many others were strictly monotheistic, while some more had truly impressive takes on that. (I highly recommend to anyone who thinks they know how wild religion went in eurasia in the first and second century to look some Gnostic sects up, nothing you can imagine will prepare you for that & its very interesting and makes you reconsider christianisme in a whole different light.)
My priest once mentioned in a sermon that the adulteress story wasn’t originally included. He said it was because some early Christians thought Jesus was too lenient in the story.
Thank you, Trey. Your time in researching and your efforts to share your findings are much appreciated. I agree that this information need not make us question the word of God, but leads us to look for witnesses which stand together to verify the truth of God. So often, people take offense at the eighth Article of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which states "8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." People often falsely assume that such a statement diminishes the authenticity and worth of the Bible. Not so. It is simply being honest. I revere both the Old and New Testaments and love studying them as I do the Book of Mormon. One can hear the voice of the Ultimate Author in all of them. I want all of His word I can get, especially in the face of the mists of darkness creeping over the earth. Thanks again for sharing.
Notes: Every instance of John 7:53-8:11 is missing from texts dating prior to 400 C.E. and makes the story of The Adulteress an addition to John dated to have occurred centuries after the death of Jesus. Another textual variant can be seen in instances of Mark 1:41 where Jesus becomes angry upon being approached by a leper (Codex Bezae, Codex Corbeinsis II) rather than being filled with compassion. Scholars seem to have a consensus that a change from compassion to anger rather than the reverse would make much less sense as an addition or variant than the original iteration of the story telling an instance where Jesus got mad at the fact that a leper was approaching him and begging for a miracle that would totally blow his entire cover in the city. One very key addition to The Christian Bible was the addition of proof of resurrection within Mark. The Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus both end at Mark 16:8 and only in later versions is there a longer ending to Mark added to it. The original version seems to indicate that it's unclear whether or not Jesus was resurrected and that the only way to know is through a leap of faith, either faith in the robed man's deceit or foolishness, or faith in Jesus having been resurrected. The women told no-one out of fear, but how could the story possibly have been told if that were actually the case? That's a pretty big plot hole. Either the entire story is fiction, or some of it is. Only the author of a fiction would know what was told to no-one.
"So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, and then say, “This is from God,” that they may exchange it for a little price. Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn." Qur'an 2 79
@@adaradar3141 i am not muslim but isnt this verse talking about the torah the jewish text? Next thing the quran would go under the same processes that the bible did to say the bible is corrupted while quran is not would be ridicoulous.
@@Neoflares Brother, I pray that this same scholars would turn their honest scrutiny to assess the Qur'an just like they are doing to Bible. Many non Muslims scholars have done it before, but this is 21st century where the knowledge is more advance than the previous centuries.
@@Neoflares Yea, it talks about both the Taurat (Torah), Injeel (Gospel of Jesus) and Zabur (Psalms of David). Qur'an called all of them scriptures that came before it (Qur'an).
@@Neoflares The reason you don't see this atheists attacking Qur'an was because there was nothing to attack against the book. This guys hate religion of any kind, they desperately look for converts from anywhere especially from the two main strong religions (Islam and Christianity), they know there are no flaws in the Qur'an that's why they don't attack it, if there are such errors they would take advantage of it and get more converts
Ok but can we agree that the cliffhanger ending of Mark is hands down the best one? The fact that there's a possibility that Jesus wasn't even resurrected, or if he was, then nobody even knew about it just kind of makes the floor drop out from under you. What a thriller.
Oh man, the Mark 16:8 ending is absolutely amazing in my opinion. The Gospel of Mark is very well done and clever if that was the original intended ending. It really sticks with you and makes you feel uncomfortable and that's why I like it.
@Jeffery Kongolo It's not really a contradiction in my opinion. It makes it seem like God, when he dictated to the scribe, revealed what really happened even though nobody knew because the women had kept it a secret. And the other, even more ominous interpretation is that the scribe who wrote down the gospel didn't hear anything from god, but simply PRAYED that this was the actual ending because even though nobody had seen Jesus since, he just HAD to believe that the resurrection wasn't just a farce and that human error was to blame. It's dark and depressing, but also weirdly meta. I love it.
There are still other accounts to consider. I think the apostle Paul really nails the possibility that Jesus didn’t rise from the grave in the head. Allow me to give some reasons why. It is wildly believed that John Mark wrote the Gospel of Mark and that he wrote it from the preaching of Peter. If the document is written that early then it could be that he didn’t see a need for an ending like that while Peter was still preaching. If it was a bit later than that, it could be that the death of the apostle without recanting was seen as reason enough. But either way, as far as I know there hasn’t been a historical heresy that uses the Gospel of Mark as a proof that Jesus didn’t rise from the grave (I could be wrong on this). Secondly, there’s the gospel of Luke that is considered to borrow heavily from the gospel of Mark. And there’s also the acts of the apostles which were also written by Luke. Furthermore, the gospel of Luke is Luke’s attempt to bring an orderly account of the events (this is presented in the first 4 verses of Luke’s gospel). If Luke borrowed from Mark’s work and did investigate the claims thoroughly there’s no reason to suggest that the ending of Mark is intended to horrify or suggest a lack of a resurrection. Thirdly, we have a handful of interconnected people. Luke, John Mark, Peter, and Paul. The acts of the apostles tell us that these people have met (Peter however, may not have actually met Luke, but Luke did know everyone else since he travels with Paul). I would highly doubt that if there was an issue with the gospel of Mark that any of these people wouldn’t pounce on it. On top of that, there is the issue that Paul doesn’t beat around the bush. Paul quite literally proclaims a resurrected Christ. And both Paul and Peter even spend some time together according to Acts. If the ending of Mark was intended to suggest that Jesus wasn’t resurrected then there are too many conflicting sources adamantly proclaiming that he did and it wouldn’t make sense for a disciple like John Mark to rewrite the history. On top of that, if the tradition is true that Peter went to Rome to preach, and that the gospel was written in Rome by Mark, then we also have a letter from Paul to the Romans regarding their faith and says in Romans 6:4 that Christ died and rose from the dead.
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Edit:
I messed up a little bit in Number 1 when I was referring to the Gospel of Judas, the Gnostics, and the Nag Hammadi library. I oversimplified a lot in the essence of time and as a result a lot of nuance was lost, but the gist of it is largely correct. For example, I should have stated that not all the texts (like the Gospel of Judas, the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, and the Gnosis of the Invisible God) were discovered in the Nag Hammadi library but were discovered at different Gnostic sites/excavations.
There were also a lot of other factors that determined what ended up as "canon" in early Christianity such as general popularity which I should have mentioned.
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I blame the Antichrist. He jealous
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I messed up a little bit in Number 1 when I was referring to the Gospel of Judas, the Gnostics, and the Nag Hammadi library. I oversimplified a lot, but the gist of it is correct. For example, I should have stated that texts like the Gospel of Judas, the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, and the Gnosis of the Invisible God were not discovered in the Nag Hammadi library but were discovered at similar different sites/excavations.
@TREY after researching all these inconsistencies and changes with the bible, have you found that the majority of the rest is kept consistent? From the oldest to newest texts? It would be cool to just review those texts to see what’s been consistently recorded throughout the generations.
The three women told nobody about what they had seen and heard. Except, of course, for Mark who was then able to report it.
Maybe the man in the robe told Mark
@BMore not a single historian says that the Gospel of Mark is fiction, so you are contradicting the most intelligent biblical historians.
@@aidan-ator7844 The "Historical" accuracy of the Bible is still being questioned to this day by many people, so I don't know what you mean with "not a single historian"
the gospels of Matthew, Luke and John elaborate on things that happened after the women go to the tomb. not only that, but if you read the actual passage in Mark, it can be surmised that the ending where the women tell no one refers to the immediate timeframe of them experiencing these supernatural events and that when enough time had passed for them to calm down, they eventually told people which leads to the accounts in Matthew, Luke and John.
@@eliasredlich3425 certain aspects are questioned but if you are completely unbiased, you will realise that the Bible is historically accurate.
I would love a series where you go over some of the books that weren’t included!
Ditto~!!!
@maria sierra dude that's some high quality bulshit
Please make it happen Trey! It would be amazing
the dead sea scrolls translated by García Martinez and the Nag Hammadi. those are the books you are looking for
maria sierra Where do you find those?
I'm tired of slight changes, where is my modern bible reboot Visual novel
Jesus a teen drama
MAKE AN ANIME PLS, WITH FANSERVICE
Historynerd 2 Is there any lost then found text about Jesus' teenage years?
There's actual a "manga" version of the Bible that I've seen sold at some bookstores. The only downside is the characters don't seem to have the oversized anime eyes.
Yeah!! Wheres my GOT:King of Kings!
I actually liked the clifhanger version of the ending more, not only it's a callback to the the beginning of Mark, but also to the story of Adam and Eve which tells a story of about choosing either obey or not to obey the commands of the lord, definitely puts the bible into a whole new different perspective or perhaps strengthening it's supposed theme.
the discussion about "which ending is the best?" kind of misses the point of "which ending is the truth?"
What's clear is that the cliffhanger isn't the end of the story, because we somehow still got to know what happened
Right. The empty feeling that comes at the end of the book of Mark might be preferable to a storyteller, but it obviously cannot be a real account.
@@gz6963 To be honest, probably only a very small portion of the bible is factually correct, and most of it that has some grain of truth to it is heavily distorted, exaggerated or mistranslated. The bible isn't a history book after all, it's a collection of stories, that in a lot of cases were passed orally before being written down, then translated into a bunch of different languages and changed by people with their own interests in mind
Mark writing a all time classic master piece be like: ✍️🔥🔥✍️🔥
I also like the cliffhanger a lot. It is a very poignant and powerful message.
None of this information is secret or even controversial. I find it incredibly deceptive how most churches are so quiet about this.
Sometimes it's through straight up sanctioned ignorance. I remember being told in some of my theology courses that evangelical Christianity tends not to believe that people need education on the Bible.
The main concern is that if people need study in order to believe, then very few will actually do so. (Whether this is motivated by opposition to gatekeeping or opposition to losing out on revenue is a case by case issue.)
"Knowledge is power." Whoever has control of the truth can use it as a tool. Those who are denied the whole truth, thusly, also are denied some power, and yet, believing they are wise, themselves may be used as tools to convert and control others, until eventually, the partial truths are understood to be entire, when cognoscenti know, they are imperfect. Rulers in many societies around the world have been unscrupulous, using people's ignorance to gain and hold power, which also translates into monetary power, which is even stronger than mere words. "Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely." Jesus's entire point was to have people gain their own, individual understandings of his deity concept by seeking ecstatic experiences, as he himself did, by various ascetic acts, such as going into the desert to "confront the devil." This shamanic approach is in direct opposition to rulers' power. Jesus was a rabbi in an oral Aramaic sect, which lay outside the confines of stricter, liturgical sects of Judaism at the time.
Because they don't want people questioning the status quo. Educated people ask difficult questions.
Christianity is largely an overlay to peoples everyday lives - that is they don't often believe it, but it's just there. Look at Christianity in other cultures, and you will see they have mingled Christianity with pre existing local beliefs, mainly in an attempt by the church to become relevant to the locals.
Because religion is based off deception
@@jaciobe Organised religion is. Tribal cults are just shared beliefs. Neo-Pagans run a gamut from trying to rival organised, corrupted systems, to being simple, personal systems, using shamanic techniques to achieve ecstasy, and see the divine within ourselves and others. It's not all the same, and not all religious people are pretending, even if many are misguided. There isn't one "true" religion. There's just Science, and our Ultimate Creator's language is DNA codons, crafting ecosystems via evolution. People need to get back to understanding that we aren't apart from Nature, we're a part of Nature. There isn't anything more, other than meditative navel gazing.
I can't believe Trey released a part 2 before the bibble did.
The bibble XD sounds like a water Pokémon lol
The New Testament anyone?
The Bible has a part two, it just came out a while ago. Really good stuff tho
@@henrypowers8326 I always felt part 2 was very inconsistent
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"Whatever God told people to do, they would do the opposite."
Suddenly Life of Brian seems pretty on the nose.
@Never Surrender1248 Said no atheist, ever.
@Never Surrender1248 No, it isn't. More and more people become self aware, more and more stories coming out about people leaving the various cults around the world.
Also, I don't believe someone who unironically says "Life of Brian" is atheist propaganda is an atheist.
Life of Brian is basically the book of mark movie adaption.
Life of Brian made it onto the Catholic Church's list of banned movies
Tyrant-Den ..whatever God...
0:09 - Intro
0:22 - Review of a few changes (from prior video, Part 1)
1:05 - #5 - The Missing Adulteress (John 8)
3:53 - #4 - Compassion or Anger? (Mark 1:41)
7:08 - #3 - The Ominous Original Ending (Mark 16:9-20 VS... Matthew 28:1-10, John 20:1-13)
14:19 - #2 - Rapid Fire Round (Matthew 16:2-3; Matthew 27:34; 2Samuel 21:19; Mark 6:3)
19:47 -#1 - Books Removed (Nag Hammadi & Gnostic writings etc)
Goat
Thank you!
Bottom line>? All guesswork & more falsification to what is claimed as the word of a God. The only undeniable FACT is it ALL was written by humans. Now add in the admitted alterations & removal of some parts & face the true reality of today's "Holy Bible" , an altered FALSE edition of an extremely old book, used throughout history to commit sins against others.
At the present time, being year 2022, the two most violently & "sinfil" religions or groups of people that claim to follow & believe in this book, throughout history are the:
"Holy Catholic Church", run by the Vatican
and
"Islam/Sharia Law", under present control by a mixed group of warrior fanatics (Taliban, Al Queda,selfproclaimed prophets & Shahs, etc.) claiming to be muslems of some kind.
Both groups are full of lying self-centered control freaks, ass-kissing wannabe's, sexual predators & pedophiles, from the very top to the living slaves at the bottom.
Hopefully all followers of these "religeons" will suffer in the worst of all the Hells they "believe" in
@@anthonystevens3961 time to return to the kids' table, son.
The gnostic writings weren’t removed they were never part of the Bible at all. This guy is such a hack
I think it would be fascinating to read an “absolute” version of the Bible, with every removed/added stories across different sections of Christianity. Not necessarily as a denomination of its own, but more so as a compilation of what modern bibles would have been without anything omitted.
It sounds great but would also run into a tooon of debate over what counts as scripture and what just counts as stories- for instance you could make a good case for Dante's Inferno or Milton's Paradise Lost as being influential enough on modern thought about the christian afterlife to count as scripture, as much as Enoch could have. We can't prove that Enoch wasn't written originally in the same way as Inferno was, as an imagining of what the afterlife could or might be that eventually became a part of public consciousness and belief
@@amberbydreamsart5467 I don't care about the afterlife, I want to baselessly speculate about real life history through an exhaustive compilation of random holy texts lmao
The Bible: Book Of The Millennium Edition.
Not a bad idea, ONLY if you accept that it is correct for everyone to believe in a God that is different & unique for each of us. We would ALL have to agree to have the same faith in this. Making it a sin to call any person's God as a false god & not use religeon as a tool of power & subjugation over others, Something which has always been at the root of any religeon. NEVER has humanity agreed on anything so fully it was instinctual & we never will. We would have to change to be something other than human.
The Jesus Seminar tried to do something like that, but it's a very long time since I studied them (in seminary) and I don't know how far they got with that project. Try looking them up. They were, and may still be, a rather large and *very* controversial group.
I just burst into laughter when he showed the archangel Doofenshmirtz. Finally somebody who supports the one true faith!
Same. I laughed as well.
You mean Herr Trumpf?🤣
Doofenshmirtz Angels Incoooorporaaaated!!!!
[musically] Doofenshmirtz reaches apotheosis!
@Kwabena Mante that’s your opinion. and theyre clearly joking lmao
4:50 And thus Yeshua spoketh "BRVHH"
6:08
Jesus in Luke: Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
Jesus in Mark: My love and compassion ain't the only things rated E for everyone
Jesus in mark has “love” tattooed on his right hand and “compassion” on his left hand
@@woodlefoof2 And he gave both to those who asked for it.
😂😂😂❤
I like that ending, where the girls don't tell anyone, for the same reason you stated. Like a kinda good ending, but it's still ominous and leaves room for discussing it with others and making theories
Falls in line with the Roman Catholic worldview of being the Authority who tells people what to think, though. 👍
But that may not have been the original purpose at all. The oldest Christian writings we have (from St. Paul) state that:
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:"
(I Corinthians 15:3-5)
So to the earliest Christians it was Cephas (Peter) who became the first official witness, not the women. The ending of Mark would have made perfect sense to them. The women were the first to see the opened tomb but not the first witnesses to the resurrected Jesus. In fact, they never saw the resurrected Jesus at all. They heard a story from some dude in the tomb. That's it. It was Peter who then became the first to encounter the resurrected Jesus and bear witness to the congregation. If you were a Christian living closer to the time of Paul, then you would have been reciting the same creed Paul recited in I Corinthians. Yet all our stories of Mary Magdalene indicate that she was important to the resurrection story, which hints that early Christians may also have had a competing story that Mary was the first witness, not Peter. So the original purpose of the ending of Mark may have been to reconcile the contradiction between the stories of Mary and the early Christian creed. Mary was first to the opened tomb but Peter was still the first proper witness like the creed says. Why? Because Mary didn't tell anyone. The women are specifically needed to satisfy the "on the third day" fulfillment of the supposed messianic prophecy. It wasn't enough that Jesus came back from the dead. He had to have come back on the third day. So if Peter had borne witness to the resurrection past the expiry date, some event had to have marked the event itself. The women became a convenient time marker of the supposed resurrection.
@@andrewsuryali8540 you should make some bible history videos.
Of course it runs into the obvious issue of if they didn't tell anyone about it then how the bloody hell do we know it happened?
@@Jotari It's almost like later scribes changed the ending because this one makes it obvious that it's fiction.
Jesus should have used reverse psychology into everyone.
"Hey leper, let everyone know I healed you"
"Hey girls, don't tell anyone about the resurrection thingy"
I love this explanation
"I am not the son of God."
"Hey everyone it's the son of God!"
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
N Jones
*He’s The Messiah!*
@@merrittanimation7721 He IS the Messiah!
Great video! I agree that “#1: Books Removed” could have been more nuanced, but you definitely get the gist correct! There were tons of other books floating around that Jews and Christians considered authoritative but later fell out of favor (e.g. Tobit and Enoch in particular). The Qumran sectarians apparently valued the Book of Enoch for example since a few copies were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. As for Christians, the Shepherd of Hermas is a better example than the Nag Hammadi books in my opinion. The Shepherd of Hermas was super popular and even appears alongside other New Testament compilations. Even the Codex Sinaiticus contains a copy of the Shepherd of Hermas!
Hi @ReligionForBreakfast Great videos :)
You make great vids man, learnt a lot from your channel!
The
Chapter 19-MARY (Surah Maryam)
quran.com/19
I was wondering what you would think about this video. Thank you for commenting.
Not religious but I really like this level of care and concern because it not only teaches biblical history, but the thoughts and morals of those who passed it down with their changes. Thank you trey
As an atheist, I very much enjoy your videos. The early days of Christianity are utterly fascinating to me, especially given how different various texts of the Bible are to their modern-day counterparts.
As an Atheist, l too enjoy these kinds of videos.
Ad an atheist idk why you have to mention that
As a vegan atheist who also does cross-fit and recently got vaccinated i agree.
@@zorubark because most non religious people wouldn’t be here...
@@edwinzuniga1987 what
I thought wine/vineger was Posca, which was made by wine turned to vinegar. It was a common military drink of the legions. So in that viewpoint, the legionnaires could have a supply. So the soldiers wanted Jesus to suffer longer, or thought thirst was a worse way to go than crucifixion.
This I believe was a mistake due to the Greek authors not knowing anything about Roman military drinks.
Vinegar also literally means "sour wine" (vin aigre)
Thanks for the input. I like finding missed links in history too. It is so fascinating when a detail of research can be the answer to a big question.
Hmm, I had assumed they were insulting him because, in Ancient Rome, a sponge soaked in vinegar is what you use to wipe your ass
I cannot imagine that soldiers made a habit of drinking sour wine? Marching and fighting do not make good bedfellows with diahrea!!
It wasn't to extend the torture.
It was part of the mocking the soldiers did. The Roman soldiers mocked Jesus by sarcastically calling him a King. The crown of thorns, the tunic, etc was part of the sarcasm.
Anyway, a sponge on a stick was a roman butt cleaning device.😅 (It was cleaned with sea water...not vinegar).
Sponges weren't always used, cloth, cotton ball thingies, etc were available to most...and we're shared, publicly. Only wealthy people carried their own personal "sea sponge on a stick" butt cleaning device. E.g. A Roman soldier would think any king carries his own personal genuine sea sponge on a stick. And not a cloth stick, or something else.
Second, the lower classes drank a drink called Posca. Vinegar mixed with water and sometimes, some flavouring (mostly herbs). The lower class Greeks adopted this strange drink but didn't have a word for it, so they just called it vinegar in Greek.
The Upper classes hated this drink...and took offence it being offered to them as it's a symbol of being of low class. E.g., offering Posca to a noble, emperor, wealthy person, or a king would be a big insult.
In Rome, at first, only well-off individuals could become soldiers...the type of people who would never drink posca. After Marius' military reforms, mostly the lower classes became soldiers (not counting officers). Eventually, soldiers were given Posca as part of their ration...daily.
If a Roman soldier gave you a drink a Greek calls vinegar, in Greek, it's definitely Posca.
The Roman soldiers were mocking Jesus with the epithet that read "King of the Jews" (continuing the King themed mocking). Offering Posca with a Sponge on a Stick, to a King, would be a massive insult/degrading...in a very sarcastic fashion.
The note about Jesus’ stern character in Mark is actually really relevant to the Nag Hammadi texts: one argument against their validity is Jesus constantly getting stern in tone and even annoyed with his disciples in a few of the books, but there are several other instances throughout the original Bible that highlight that Jesus wasn’t always calm and gentle (him becoming irate and flipping tables of merchants comes to mind).
because he was only human to begin with! but imagine being The Jesus of Nazareth in early history times 😂 where 80% of the world would be illiterate - and even your closest friends can't grasp what you're saying? id get irate, too.
@@jaygarcia6338I thought he was also god?
Showing his human side. Christians do believe he was both man and god.
@@fairsaa7975
Christians believe he was both.
Righteous anger concerning what was then seen as the Temple of God , until after the crucifixion, when we ( our body and soul ) become the temple to house God directly , and so commune directly.
As a Christian, all I can say is bravo. This was so well done. And to be honest, this has strengthened my faith. This makes the Bible feel so much more real to me. Thank you for this.
i feel it only makes it more real on a story or literature level.
So seeing discrepancies in the "infallible" word of God and claiming the Bible is the word of God while the scripture has been corrupted strengthens your faith?
@@irfannasim2722 your last name reminds me of Nazeem from Skyrim.
@@irfannasim2722 Who said the word isn't infallible? Men messed it up, not God. c:
I totally agree! Even before seeing this video, I've been getting into learning about the history of the books of the Bible, and in my opinion it really helps with trying to interpret it.
I kinda like angry Jesus. Like a father figure that disciplines His children.
Chad Jesus
As a Christian I think it makes more sense tbh, we’re taught Jesus is both 100% man and god so it makes sense he would have more human emotions
Christopher Govan very well said. When I recall the name Emanuel “God is with us” i think of God that mourns and laughs with us with emotions.
Infancy Gospel of Matthew depicts Jesus the child like Carrie the movie.
Kills children, withers hands, "step" dad Joseph laments that anyone who pisses is kid off (Jesus) end up dying.
www.vice.com/en_us/article/nzn5zd/baby-jesus-was-kind-of-a-dick
poor soul that you are. go receive enough anger of your worldly daddy.
And the lord said upon the non believer
*"Hell is sponsored Raid shadow legends. So think twice before you start talking shit"*
Did you know raid is getting an anime
@@lolface_9363 Is it true XD
@@lolface_9363 say sike now
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How do you know what your lord said? Did you read it in the grand book of make believe?
If you do return to the Bible could you cover gnosticism in more depth
Screw that! I want a Heavy Metal rendition of The Book of Giants! Flesh-Eating antedeluvian behemots > some dudes who thought they had secret passwords to get into heaven.
There's a good ReligionForBreakfast video on it if you're interested if he doesn't do it th-cam.com/video/Iuvk2bLCzwM/w-d-xo.html
69 like, nice
In the meantime, flat earth paradise has a video called "sophia, the black sun, gnosticism..."
The video title is longer so I shortened it. Star seeds tend to be drawn to gnosticism, and videos like Trey's. There are videos about Star Seeds too.
Gnosticism is a comfort to those who wish The Bible is something it simply isn’t. Be careful of it
This hasn’t destroyed my Faith but I have ended up learning something new. And I think you did a great job in explaining this!
10/10❤
New Testament: good ending vs bad ending vs neutral ending (featuring secret ending)
where's my true harem ending tho
@@LimeyLassen hasn't been added yet
Oh my god your right
Ah yes, the secret ending where Jesus waits 15 minutes before eating his last supper. I hope Bible 2 isn't going to re-use it for a cheap 'chievo in the story's introduction.
*JUDAS' BETRAYAL EXPLAINED?!?!* 👥 Bible: New Testament (UNUSED SCENES)
This is one of the most interesting and potentially influental areas of research. Truly fascinating.
If you are interested in gnostic or other gospels omitted from the bible I recommend starting with the book of Jasher. Super interesting, and imo I don't know why it was omitted. The book of adam and eve is perhaps more obvious lol... Still don't know why song of Solomon is in the KJV hahs
Interest will only drive down the influence by what's being revealed as it should be.
Eh
read Bart Ehrmans books.. that’s where much of this comes from.. this comes from “Who Changed The Bible and Why”
Chapter 19-MARY (Surah Maryam)
quran.com/19
As a Greek, I had a fanboy moment when I saw the fanart mosaic in the beginning with "Τρει ο Εξηγητής" - literally "Trey the Explainer", even though greek around the period such artwork was made was not only very different, but typically stylized
Same. It was cool to see.
I’m Socrates
@@marlkarx3725 Hi Socrates!
@@marlkarx3725 Hi Socrates!
wow i didn't see this comment untl a year later lol
I am the one who made that
I made that piece in like literally 4 hours until like 5am because i could not sleep which is why i just google translated 'the explainer' and transliterated trey
if i could've tried to replicate more proper greek i might've but yknow it is how it is
glad you really liked it
"Doofenshmirtz?! What are you doing in the Bible?!" is now the funniest thing I've ever said out-loud in private lmao
Looking for Perrius Platypus, obviously.
And the lord said 'bruh', and saw that it was good.
I laughed. Not gonna lie
Genesis 4:20
😂
15:40 Something kind of similar happened in the Harry Potter books, though in this case its more of an omission than a mistake. In the first three books J.K. Rowling referred to Severus Snape as a fairly short man. But after the 6'1" Alan Rickman was cast in the role for the film adaptions she basically avoided talking about Snape's height for the remainder of the book series.
Hmm I never noticed this but it makes sense
That still wouldn't explain Rickman being like twenty years too old for the role. Still perfect in it though.
@@Jotari Rapid aging brought on by stress.
@Bruce strkland
No. Human nature is not to lie, or leave things out, or just contradict themselves. That is the devil's work. Lucifer is responsible for these things. Or Lucifer's other names: Yaldebaoth, or the demi urge. He has so many other names he goes by. But you will find information more easily using one of those three names. That bastard.
I think you're supposed to separate the syllables.... aall len RIKmannnn rip
Being a Christian myself I’ve always thought it was important to not always literally interpret the Bible, I also believe that understanding the context and history behind many of the themes in the Bible is important. GREAT VIDEO!
Religion is a spook.
im4everskilled tip your fedora more. Repent and turn to Christ
@@tariqskanaal8187
I'll turn to Christ and tip my fedora harder.
@@im4everskilled I love when certain atheists say that they are open minded and enlightened only to immediately mock someone they disagree with and insult their beliefs with no reason too. Even if the person they are insulting is being appreciative. Golden hypocrite.
@@monarchblue4280 But did he ever say he was open minded? No? Then stop putting words in his mouth.
I started researching this in 1973. Pilate never got an answer to his question, "What is truth?" The college library had some of the New Testament apocrypha, those books are now easily accessible on the web. Thanks for the fascinating look at this sacred cow of folklore and orthodoxy. Well done, you!
nice, any more anecdotes?
He never got an answer because he was looking at truth in the flesh. That’s the reason as to why Jesus didn’t verbally answer him
He was answered prior to his question and after "I am the truth" and "kingdom of god is within you". To a Roman this was incomprehensible:why would the high priests want to crucify and insist so much for a fool?
@@JA-jx1hkwhy are you answering in riddles answer in facts like the video is based
@@mr16325 it’s literally clear as day what I’m saying lol
I love this dudes subtle memes, i can tell you have a great sense of humor
I wonder if anyone else noticed the Gnostic Monk's pose
Even the thumbnail is a masterclass in hidden memery
There are 2 JoJo ref@@MFGod_Hand
It would be interesting to compare the "mentality" of modern Christians vs early Christians.
It seems that Goliath the Giant wasn't a "giant" at all, but just an abnormally tall man; the angel in Christ's tomb might have just been an old man. Women had a bigger role before some editing... I'm starting to think that the people who lived closer to Jesus's time than today took the stories a lot less literally, rather taking the lesson than the literal details, which btw seem to be blown out of proportion at this point. The original seems a lot more realistic/plausible... and a lot more morally conflicting. More human than the whitewashed stuff you get today (haha get it? Cause white Jesus? nvm).
I view the Bible as a source of life lessons. A kind of a philosophy/history book. It's a way to teach wisdom, but for me taking the Bible literally is quite naive. Studying the different creatures and symbols in the Bible, their origin and meaning, and impact on our modern perception of the world, because of them is way more valuable, than just merely believing.
The giant is your fight against the flesh
@@bagatur8810 to read the bible is one thing but to taste it is to know god
@@matthewbarton2242 eat the bible
@@aperson1510 Its got a licorice like taste to it.
That final message has really opened my mind and i wanted to say thank you. These videos when they came out led me down a really exciting path of self discovery. I'm really lucky to be getting to study the Hebrew and Christian Bibles in more depth at my university this semester and i got rather nostalgic for this video!!! The keeping of textual variants makes the Bible so interesting, and especially for the Hebrew Bible more beautiful in my opinion. Thanks Trey!!!
try quran. the quran unchanged even after 1400 yeas the quran have same word to word when the proclaimed prophet muhammad still alive
Absolutely agreed. it also makes you, if you believe, rely on God, more than people's bull. And in making your own mind and relationship up, rather than being dictated by bigots and right wing agenda-ists and loonies.
Without adding the other ending to the Gospel of Mark does make you consider how the writer knew about the women in the tomb if they didn't say anything about it.
plot twist. Mark is a woman.
@@2tehnik Given since last video said we don't actually know who wrote the Gospel of Mark, it very well may have been written by a woman.
It all seems like a flimsy explanation from "Mark": "well, the reason you haven't heard from Jesus ever since his crucifixion is because no one told you! But he is risen, I promise you. See, there are three women witnesses, and a random dude had told them that Jesus rose, but they were so afraid they didn't tell anyone else."
If God wanted to show the people that his messiah was risen, why not tell anyone? Why send some dude, without explanation of who he is (Mark sure is lazy here), and have him tell two random women? Surely, this guy or even God could go to the disciples. But a better question: if Jesus rose, why didn't he go to them personally? Or at least wait for the women? Surely, if something miraculous happened like rising from the grave, you'd tell it at least to the disciples who believe you are the messiah?
@@spinakker14 Jesus does wait for different people in the other gospels. And Mark's long ending.
And as far as the "no ending" ending of Mark goes I think that'd be missing the point that Trey pointed out (Mark thematically being about people not listening to God).
@@merrittanimation7721 it makes sense too that a woman would take a mans name for her pen name since most did anyways cause psychologically speaking, most will pick a male author over a female's, and in a time where women were to be seen, not heard, you wouldnt want to hear what a woman has to say as much as a man who is seen as the dominant.
The Gospel of Judas makes more sense imo, I've always found it weird that Christians in my life hated Judas so much when technically his actions were pretty instrumental to the entire arc of Jesus. Jesus telling him to do seems more logical imo
Specially since Judas was the smartest, or most knowledgeable amongst the disiples. Such a sad fate that he is now known as the betrayer, while in reality he was the sacrifice. Or part of the sacrifice.
The sum of money he betrayed Jesus for was also paltry. My personal interpretation is that Judas also mistook Jesus's purpose and saw him as a revolutionary figure that would overthrow the corrupt church and Rome, so he was intentionally trying to provoke a conflict with the authorities.
@@HueghMungus Nope. The smartest disciple was Mary Magdalene, and the one who really understood Jesus' teachings. Judas was the betrayer, because has become very doubtful on Jesus words. If he wasn't a real traitor he wouldn't hanged up himself by remorse.
It is a real story. Now whether it's a real event is up for debate, but it really is a story that exists.
@@AlbertoJorgeSoares well that gospel seems to contradict that.
That vinegar drink on the cross was actually a standard drink of Roman soldiers. It wasn't given to him maliciously or mockingly, but out of compassion, since the soldier giving to him was just giving Jesus what he himself drank.
sststr.......water in those days was contaminated and made people sick or even die. That is why people drank vinegar and wine
The NKJV says "sour wine".
When wine spoils, it becomes vinegar.
Water containers outside from tanned leather is expensive for soldiers. Soldiers usually have ale and vinegar mix in their rations so that even if they lose their water supply.
Definitely interesting. When I was studying the bible, I didn't understand this passage. I was like ??? are they being assholes?? He's thirsty!
@@pennychurchward1481 I wonder where exactly this comes from. I've heard it for years, but never a really good explanation for exactly how "all water" was undrinkable. Creeks? Rivers? Lakes? Rain?
im actually relieved that i already know about the bible changes you mentioned, thanks to my 8 theology classes i took in college plus my curious mind that somehow lead me to informations or videos like this. but i cannot deny the fact that i love your videos trey. thanks for taking time to explain and try to be respectful to others beliefs.
Don’t mention that to the militant atheists here. According to them, you don’t exist, considering they claim no theology course ever teaches about the obscure and dicey parts of the Bible.
I'm relieved that I was able to learn all these variances in a short Sunday morning at home on my couch instead of spending 8 years paying for the information and obtaining a signature on paper saying I should be competent and expert... the real world doesn't really care about degrees and being an auto didactic person is a more useful skill. Finding God and welcoming Jesus into our lives isn't enough but anyone can start down the path on their own in through different mediums God uses to wave a hand in front of your face. God bless and remember that you Do sin all the time and we are imperfect.. but we can repent and welcome God into your life by trying to glorify him and his grace/kindness.. watching NDE videos on YT helps.
@MW-nOttawa Wow, you start off with a really sarcastic rude comment, and end it by trying to sway people into your religion. You really are making it hard on yourself, buddy. No understanding of social tact. And you wonder why it's so hard to convince people to join your side.
@@MW-nOttawaJust because you read law books/youtube doesn’t make you competent at it as a lawyer does, same goes with engineering, medic, accounting, history, architecture, etc. What an ugly attempt to discredit someone’s achievement and qualification.
Now THIS is how to spend a Sunday :-)
Haha, funny coincidence
Sunday gang
The sabbath day is Saturday the catholic’s Change it they are the Antichrist they have ruled for 1260 years
Akmac ooooh. Spooky. Probably had to take a break lying to the parents of the kids they were diddling to pull that off.
Haven Thompson I’m not joking watch Antichrist on hope through prophecy it perfectly Aligns with the bible
Stuff like this fascinates me. History of the Bible and the wars that were fought over its meaning is really interesting.
It's fascinating and also kind of sad. People fighting to death over these stories, torturing each other, ostricizing each other. I don't think that's what Jesus wanted to happen.
Corrections and Omissions:
Enoch wasn't some fantastic discovery from a single source. There are manuscripts of it in multiple different collections and it's a part of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo church.
Gnostics weren't a sect of Christianity. The term "gnostic" is a label of convenience that we use these days to refer to a number of somewhat diverse texts and purported belief systems, largely because a guy who wrote a letter had a real mad on for them. Given their notions of secret knowledge they most likely represented an approach to Christianity that took the form of a mystery cult (like Freemasons or Scientologists). Early Christianity was quite a bit more diverse than you seem to be giving it credit for. Specifically, there was no orthodoxy of any sort. It basically started out with "Once upon a time there was this rad zombie," and derivative traditions kind of ran with it however they wanted to. The specific elements that made the zombie rad or even the general disposition of the zombie were pretty variable.
"Gnosticism" also didn't necessarily originate from Christianity so far as we can tell. The exact origins aren't nailed down, but the influences that formed it definitely predated the origins of Christianity, with potential Neoplatonic, Persian, and Buddhist faiths all contributing to its formation. To my untrained eye it sure does look like a cosmology as complex and sharply deviant from now-orthodox Christianity probably had to come from somewhere and didn't emerge all by itself, but that's just the guess of one idiot.
The only evidence we have that the Nag Hamadi library was deliberately hidden to avoid persecution is the aforementioned mad on. It's entirely likely that the manuscripts are just regular old burial trappings. With no orthodoxy there would be no organized church and therefore no body to execute any specific persecution.
It's pronounced BAR-bel-oh. There's a complex cosmology that a lot of the so called gnostic texts share. In this case, Barbelo is kind of a confusing concept, since it is characterized as both an entity and a plane of existence. Suggesting that Jesus emerged from the realm of Barbelo thus lands somewhere between Docetist and Arian belief, both of which were still contested subjects even after Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome. I suggest that this argues even more strongly that there wasn't any specific, directed persecution aimed at Christian mystery cults even then.
The Gospel of Judas isn't as kind to Judas as you indicate. While he's the only one among the disciples who recognizes Jesus as an emanation from Barbelo and as generally opposed to the Demiurge, Jesus still treats him like a child and basically pats him on the head and tells him to run along. Jesus is actually kind of an ass in that one.
One theory of Mark that you don't get into deserves mention. Christians wanted to differentiate themselves from Jews early on, and one of the ways that they did that was in the form of the documents that they kept their scripture on. Jews used scrolls and Christians used codices (books). One hypothesis holds that one of the earliest versions of Mark (from which the ones we have derived) had a page that simply fell out. Indeed - highlighting a difference in tone between Mark and Matthew/Luke (the three Synoptic Gospels) then poses some tension with what is still accepted as the most likely formation of authorship - the two-document hypothesis. If some redactor were to combine Mark (or proto-Mark) with an hypothesized sayings gospel (Q), it would still leave open the question of where the end of the narrative would have come from, since sayings gospels are specifically NOT narrative in their construction. Given that most of the widely accepted theories assume Marcan priority, however, if we're going to consider Matthew and Luke as derivatives (because they do inherit things from Mark) that would seem to imply the existence of a lost synoptic gospel.
Thank god you wrote this, now I don't have to!!
This is fascinating, is there a book or books that serve as entry points into some of these details of early Christian life?
Gonna start a band called "Rad Zombie" lol
@@RabidHobbit The best book I can think of is "Gnosticism: New light on the ancient tradition of inner knowing" by Hoeller. It's an intro to Gnosticism, but also describes how diverse peoples' beliefs were at the time. It gave me a better sense of what the world was like for the Gnostics, who generally considered themselves Christian. I am a noob, but this book was sort of an entry point for me.
There is a book called "My Lives with Lucifer, Satan, Hitler & Jesus" - it is a tough read and 18+ only - gives an another perspective to the life of Jesus & his mission... The author is Kim Michaels...
Your two part video series are awesome! You did a fantastic job of explaining in the simplest of terms the complicated history of the Bible and especially the "New Testament." I have done a lot of research myself and agree with most of what you state in your videos. People need to do this kind of research when they attend any "Bible study" at any church they attend. I attempted to teach this to people at a church I used to belong to and it resulted in my attendance dropping from about 12 people down to 0 after a few weeks. People just don't want to accept these facts and will argue with anger in their voices if you try to teach it to them. It was such a disappointing experience, I quit that church and although I still believe in Jesus very much, I don't attend any church any more because the priests and pastors and even nuns in the Catholic Church are all lying to those who attend classes they teach! It's so sad!
I'd love for you to do a big vid on Gnosticism at some point, their history and mythology is fucking fascinating
I always found it odd that people think Judas was bad when he was simply fulfilling gods prophecy. He was Jesus most passionate and loyal follower, I find it incredibly likely that he did it because Jesus asked him too full well known his name would be defamed for eternity.
@@mooninc.185 "And as they were eating, he said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you will *betray* me.”"
- Matt. 26:21
"Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, *“I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”* They said, “What is that to us? See to it yourself.” And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple, he departed, and he went and hanged himself."
- Matt. 27:3-5
And in any case, the whole Gnostic story doesn't make any sense. Why would he need Judas to betray him? Why would he keep that secret to his apostles?
I'm with Griff!
The Gnostic stuff is Lovecraftian!
The apocryphon of John trips me out. So wild. It claims "Jesus" was the serpent in the garden.. idk how I feel about it but it is fascinating to say the least.
Jerid!
Trey, you're one of the only channels that I watch every single upload. They're always interesting, thought provoking and wholly unique from other youtube channels. Thank you and keep up the great work!
Idk but the ambiguous ending kinda seems more fitting
It makes a call to faith and leaves things to everyone's Interpretation and own believes
"leaves things to everyone's Interpretation" that's probably why they changed it.
darth geekboy, that’s the kind of comment someone makes when they don’t agree with the faith and want to ardently prove it wrong because they either hate it or have some kind of bad history with it or maybe just don’t want to follow it and hate that other people follow it because of the group-think it inspires that then puts pressure on you to act a certain way.
I sincerely hope you would find faith and a good place to practice your faith where people would not abuse your trust and where you could truly experience how God can change a person and move them to love just like the gospels and the letters all have proclaimed.
I’m a Protestant Christian and Like the original ending to Mark.
@@matthewzbornak6880 Christ Jesus is not found in your reply. Have you entered into the Kingdom of Heaven that you may weigh the hearts of others? Have you gone between realms to make the souls of others whole?
@@matthewzbornak6880 poor soul
On the last change I just find the process of canonization to be very interesting. My professor told us that essentially books were canonized in or out based on if they fit the belief systems at the time, or if they were considered relevant by people in power. This brings up interesting questions though about if some of those books would have been canonized in more modern times if we had the chance
It was simpler than that. They went to war over it, and what you read today is what the survivors of those wars wrote. Simple as that.
@@korosuke1788there hasnt been that many religious conflicts of early christians.
the bible we have today is still that of constantinople and the religious wars really only started after that time.
not having a canon actually lead to less wars because no one could truly say that stuff was heretical because the canon wasnt made.
In which case, in the long term they shot themselves in the foot as the prophets and revelation completely blast power freaks to f*ck.
It's my understanding as well, that there was a practice of "divination" used by the clergy and high officials when the choice needed to be made as to which books were to be included in the canon.
The candidate books were spread out on a table in the evening and the plan was that in the morning, those books to be selected would be on the table and all others would be on the floor.
Of course, no one was to enter the room in the night.
Of course...
The Word of God is divinely protected by Him and is the Truth. God is ALMIGHTY. The idea that the Bible has been altered from the Truth is a lie from Satan, to keep us from reading it. DON'T BELIEVE THE LIE, READ THE BIBLE AND ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE YOU DIE AND IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU. SALVATION and ETERNAL LIFE can not be earned it is THE GIFT FROM GOD TO ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THEIR SAVIOR. PERIOD.
slamee100 Having blind faith is a nice and comforting thought, but even Jesus taught to have a healthy amount of skepticism about everything. And to never just blindly believe.
This is actually a very old myth.
Do you have sources for this?
Is that a joke? Because it is funny
" The Hips don't Lie"
- Trey the Explainer, 2020
It's Shakira
LoL!!!
daym! my woman isn't on either list!
cue the music...
"I like big butts! and I cannot lie!"
My woman is off that chart! (and I cannot lie!)
@@vaidehimohan9400 "hips don't lie"
-Shakira
-- Trey the Explainer
--- Vaidehi
@@shelbyb9965
"hips don't lie"
~Shakira
~~Trey the Explainer
~~~Vaidehi Mohan
~~~~Shelby B
As a young Christian person this was super helpful to me thank you for this work :)
Chapter 19-MARY (Surah Maryam)
quran.com/19
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞
John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞
Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞
That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus.
The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC.
That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
@@abdurrehman348 that's actually extremely interesting thank you
@@Epck You're welcome :)
quran.com/5
You may want to check out this chapter as well, the end is actually a conversation that will take place on the day of judgement between God and Jesus(peace be upon him). This link will direct you to the conversation part (recitation and translation) th-cam.com/video/8bnrhQn7dlk/w-d-xo.html
Carer Forever Are you able to link your sources? I’m interested in this.
Fun Fact: In one of the early printings of the King James Bible the line "I do not condemn you; go and sin no more" was misprinted as "I do not condemn you; go and sin on more"
Great video as usual, Trey! I actually wrote a paper for my New Testament Greek class two years ago in which I argued that Mark did not end at verse eight of chapter 16 but that the original ending was simply lost. My reasoning for this was mainly that it would be incredibly strange for a book to end with the word γάρ. Γάρ is a postpositive conjunction used to connect two independent clauses; due to the syntactic constraints that govern its use, it almost never appears at the end of a sentence in the corpus of Greek literature and literally never at the end of an entire work. Because of this, I suspect that part of the original manuscript was lost and that the words εφοβουντο γαρ are really just a fragment of a longer sentence.
So what about the "according to Mark" at the end?
Couldn't that use of syntax be seen as a literary device. One that is used to add to the message of an ambiguous or unfinished ending (in the version that ends in verse 8).
The fact yap is never used at the end of a sentence could be a clue as to authenticity of the story being written?
What also was not mentioned in the video, or here, was the curious gap left between the ending of Mark and the beginning of Luke in Vaticanus that was not used for other books in the Codex.
This lends to the longer ending being known to the scribe, and perhaps in his possession at his time. Due to unknown reasons, the shorter option won out.
Further more, there is patristic evidence for the longer ending of Mark. Also of note, the portion of Luke that notes Christ "being in agony" also finds patristic evidence.
The maker of the video failed to note that Luke has been archaeologically proven to have been alive in the first century, particularly during the time of Paul's journeys. He also claims to have been a companion of Paul's and also claims to have interviewed the witnesses themselves concerning Jesus and also "set the things in order."
The gospels are accurate renderings of history. They are corroborated by 1 Corinthians 15, which is generally accepted by scholars as an original work of Paul's.
In Quran (Islamic Holy Book) Jesus is mentioned to make birds out of clay (worked with his hand) and as a miracle, breathe life into those birds, by the will of God. 18:35 as you you said Makes things with his hand = Tekton. Maybe here Quran may actually clear up the contradiction.
are you sure it's not just taken out of the infancy gospel of Thomas?
it kinda scares me how the quran has a lot of stuff in it that muhammad an illiterate sheppard in 7th century arabia had no way of knowing
@@oyoo3323 Well, no offence, but a proper history lesson is needed. You can argue about others but Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) did exist and he wasn't a pseudo-historical figure.
Can you deny the existence of the Rashidun Caliphate and the four Caliphs? Muhammad was present in their life. The people who actually saw Muhammad (S.A.W), believed in him, and learned directly from him were not 12... they numbered in thousands at the time of his death. The narrations of his life verified by Islamic Scholars like Imam Bukhari and others. These narrations, Quranic verses written during Muhammad (S.A.W)'s lifetime. There are so many things that can be said here.
What sort of direct proof do you demand? Just asking out of curiositye.
@@oyoo3323 dude are you seriously putting forward the "Jesus is Horus" theory? Stuff's been debunked for decades. The only actual similarities are super general.
Also I'm pretty sure that the modern academic consensus is that Jesus, although not pertaining to a lot of the gospel stories did exist.
The reasoning being that apocalyptic judaism was big at the time, so there's nothing weird about a prophet dude going around preaching that kind of theology. And makes more sense than if people just made it up one day.
@@oyoo3323 you need to better educate yourself on islam dude
The Mark sudden ending is like Dostojevski's book ending. Leaves the door open.
Or the rock open........get it? :D
@venus as a boy kinda does because most people think mark was written first
I watch both parts today. I am writing here because I want to thank you for making both.
*Jesus looks at then in anger*
Final boss music starts playing.
Isn't Jesus the final boss of reality, as he destroys it at the end of time create a heaven on Earth?
@@ZephLodwick No that's Shiva.
What game?
@@ousamadearudesuwa The game of salvation
this was a good series (although only 2 episodes long). Such information is extremely important for understanding modern religions objectively, but is rarely talked about.
Something that intrigued me was the number of Christian sects shown at the end of video. I only knew about the Protestant sects, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodoxy (Albanian, Greek and Oriental).
If you would be interested, please make a video/series explaining the history of sects and when and why they separated from other Christian beliefs.
I've always found the stories in the Bible incredibly interesting, even if my actual belief in them has been minor. If one views them as mythology, then they are just as interesting as the Norse and Greek. I remember this awesome animated series from when I was a kid, where each episode was a story from the Bible, animated in a different style. Wonderful stuff, and something anyone who appreciates a good story should check out, wether they are religious or not. 🙂
@ I'm not quite sure what you mean with "knowledgeable men", but I agree that the gospels are different and comparing them to myths are a stretch. I do think they are mythologized versions of real events , so the comparison isn't too far-fetched, but they do have a quite different function. (Some of the texts in the New Testament are straight up political, and have a very clear real-world purpose.) Still, as an agnostic, I do find both the myths of old and the texts in the Bible to have a similar function: Worldviews and ideas that in some regards are outdated, but still has something to teach us.
@Ninja Crackpot I don't quite get what you are saying, but I guess you argue that the New Testament is based on real events? I agree with you on that, and my statement wasn't meant to argue that they are the same thing, but that they have a similar function to a non-believer like myself: old stories that shouldn't be taken at face value, but that still have wisdom in them that we could consider today.
The funny thing is that Snorre, who wrote down most of the Norse myths we know today, was a Christian and tried to justify the myths as real historical stories, but that the gods weren't real gods, only mighty kings and heroes claiming to be God. He even snuck in references to "the true God", mightier than Odin.
A friend of mine wrote a master's theises on how the story of Odin hanging himself in Yggdrasil to gain knowledge might have been influences by Christian stories of Jesus' crucifixion that the Vikings heard on their travels. He didn't really fully believe this himself, as the thesis was mostly a critique of the "one old God" theory that is popular, where scholars think Odin and Wodan and other northern-european gods are just different versions of a singular original deity. My friend wanted to show how such singular views with arguable evidence could limit our openness to different possibilities.
@ you do realize you completely contradicted yourself, right?
@@Rhaenarys how so? The torah is written by lawmakers and sages, the Gospels were written by basically illiterate witnesses, they are AND feel different. The definition of myth lines up only with some stuff of the old testament, not with "lmao the omniscent guy got betrayed, he never saw it coming" in the new testament. That would make for a shitty myth tbh
You are referring to Veggie Tales
9:46 If you listen rreeeaally carefully you can hear Jesus leaving Trey's bedroom to ascend back to heaven.
17:52
Hebrew speaker and I confirm. Also in the bible I own and also online:
וַתְּהִי-עוֹד הַמִּלְחָמָה בְּגוֹב, עִם-פְּלִשְׁתִּים; וַיַּךְ אֶלְחָנָן בֶּן-יַעְרֵי אֹרְגִים בֵּית הַלַּחְמִי, אֵת גָּלְיָת הַגִּתִּי, וְעֵץ חֲנִיתוֹ, כִּמְנוֹר אֹרְגִים.
"Vatehi-od Hamilchama Begov, im-Plishthim; Vayakh Elkhanan Ben-Ya'eri Orgim Beit Ha'Lakhmi, Et Goliath Ha'Githi, Ve'Etz Khanito, Kimnor Orgim."
"Et Goliath Ha'Githi" - "Goliath of Gath"
Now meanwhile searching, I found out that in the books of chronicles 1 20:5 (I'm relying on Hebrew sources here) it's stated:
וַתְּהִי עוֹד מִלְחָמָה אֶת פְּלִשְׁתִּים וַיַּךְ אֶלְחָנָן בֶּן יעור אֶת לַחְמִי אֲחִי גָּלְיָת הַגִּתִּי וְעֵץ חֲנִיתוֹ כִּמְנוֹר אֹרְגִים
"Vatehi-od milchama et Plishthim Vayach Elkhanan ben Ye'or et Lakhmi *Akhi* Goliath Hagithi..." (yeah, they changed it a bit, and also "Akhi" means "brother".)
Now, Jewish bible commentator go as back as Christian commentators, I think, if not as earlier (if you consider sources such as Talmud and Midrashim). There are many approaches to this problem. The "traditional
eligious" approach says that David and Elkhanan are the same person. Rashi (Salomon de Troyes) [my bad translation, sorry beforehand]: "Elkhanan - David 'son of Ya'ari weavers' [Ben Ye'ari Orgim] - for his family were weavers of Parochet [something like a sacred curtain or a covering] for a temple named Ya'ar."
It seems that for most Jewish\Hebrew modern scholars, it was indeed an earlier version of the story that was later adapted to the story you find in Samuel 1. To most of them, because of the style and nature of how it wasn't edited out and changed a-bit, it's intentional, and probably an attempt to glorify David.
John 5:39 - "Search the scriptures; for in them you THINK you have eternal life..."
2 Corinthians 3:6c - "...for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life."
I loved this... You've sent me researching and man do I love to read. I look forward to more Bible history, it's one of my favourite books. And thank you for not having those weird music influencing peoples' feeling.
Chapter 19- MARY
quran.com/19
@@abdurrehman348 no
Honestly I'd love to just see Biblical stories retold with your animation, your depiction of the opening of the tomb feat. Doofenshmirtz had me dying
Soooo Judas was the Severus Snape to Jesus' Dumbledore??
i screamed this as soon as i heard that part of the video💀
A lot of Hollywood and film culture is inspired from the Bible.
Shakespeare stole a lot of ideas from the Bible for his plays. When Cesar dies, he writes into the play the occurrences during Jesus's death.
Wouldnt that be awesome if when Judas hung himself, he wakes up in hell to a crucified Jesus (who also just got to Hell) saying," Hello dear friend, put your Armor of God on, we have work to do."
No, Judas was the Hebrew version of the Eqyptian Set to Jesus' Osiris
The One on the Cross wasn't Jesus, but not Judas either. It was another disciple which God made him seem to be Jesus. And the Angel sitting on the Tomb, Lmao that's most probably Satan
0:10
I am interested in this religion
Trey, the god rested in the first realm of Dinosauria and the overseer of all evolutionary derivatives :)
My professional opinion?
*_*all the velociraptors sitting in the room stare at me ready to maul me to death_**
Uh... 10/10.
We meet on Tuesdays, no hotdog buns
Trey, if you want to know about the vinegar and wine thing, look at this.
*Posca*
*-*
*Posca was an Ancient Roman drink, made by mixing vinegar, water, and perhaps herbs. It was the soldiers, the lower classes and the slaves who drank posca, a drink despised by the upper class.*
This was the principal drink of virtually all Roman soldiers, their 'Gatorade' of sorts. It's what would have most likely been at hand during Jesus' crucifixion. What conclusion is one left to draw?
intresting
@Stefan Urban wasnt the soldier gave the wine on sponge? I believe he used the same sponge the roman used to clean latrines
@Stefan Urban Nope- the Romans were pretty lazy abou the crucifixions, they were actually only a couple of inches off the ground. They weren't concerned with making a lot of effort as they crucified many people. Whip them, tie them for the most part (nails were not typical), then put the cross bar on a stake in the ground, with their feet about 6" off the ground. Leave them to die.
I have heard that the drink that was offered to him while on the cross had a narcotic in it to ease his pain and to make him look as though he had died. He later recovered from the narcotic while in tomb and was able to get out of it.
@@mharclerode However, with Jesus and the other two, this was special. The other two were not thieves but insurgents and since Jesus was seen as a major trouble maker, this crucifixion was meant to show others what would happen to them if they didn't shut up and tow the line. There are drawings of a man with the head of a donkey on a cross, this was meant to represent Jesus. Crucifixions were extremely shameful and the donkey was considered to be a very lowly animal. People could not understand why anyone would worship someone who died so shamefully and he also rode a donkey into Jerusalem with the people laying palm fronds in front of him as though he was a king on a majestic mount. So, a crucified man with the head of a donkey was used to represent Jesus (Yeshua).
Ya got me! I haven't been adding subscriptions lately because I doubt I will ever have time to watch all the subscriptions I have added since THE BEGINNING. ..but with your parting words reminding your followers that the Bible remains a respectable book while seeing it in reality, a changing text subtlly comforting. I find the omnipotence provoking that thiese important books continue to unfold, revealing itself as prophesized; and timing of course is everything.
Your purity impressed me and summarizes nicely what I have been feeling while on my own spiritual journey .I have met a brother who is just ahead on the same trail. It is satisfying to know of your many interests rather than trying to pass yourself off as some higher sort of being because you have explored and understood these books. Perhaps you struggle with bringing it into focus as I do.. I often feel filled with awe and delight knowing I am eternal being....and then I come across some possibilities and find them truthful in my heart but not quite fitting in with my yet unsolidified enlightenment. I only know that my desire to fulfill my seeking soul is the greates partI of who I am , and my belief grows stronger that for our Human race to continue, we are to love one another.
Trey; the fact checking Theropod messiah of early Creteceous age!
The theropod messiah is what I'm calling him from now on.
@@ender7278 perfection! 👍
Ten points to Griffindor!
1 - I'm in awe of the research you do and the detailed presentations. I always love your videos.
2 - It would definitely turn Christianity on its head if the original texts were published as the 'real Bible'. Talk about denial! The more I hear about the changes make me think that they were added or changed by moralistic misogynists.
3 - It would absolutely disrupt some of modern Christianity if the so called 'lost' books of the bible were put back into it. King James is definitely portrayed as a moralistic misogynist (my new favorite phrase) by the changes and deletions he approved of. Some of these are fascinating, but remember, the texts of these books as we can read them today will probably have changes or additions too.
4 - Before I get too much hate on this, remember that this is only my opinion.
5 - I absolutely loved the inserted picture at 4:02. Laughed out loud!
Look into biblehub they have the Hebrew and Greek texts it changes the story a lot. English version doesn’t portray what was written.
I fully agree
@@laras8911 I'm using Biblehub since 2017. It's really very useful and important application.
We are Elohim (Psalm 82:6) children of Most High.
PEACE
I'm lucky enough to know Hebrew so I looked up more external books. I'm reading the book of Enoch which was translated from an Ethiopian source back into Hebrew, it fills in so many missing gaps from the mainstream teachings and has some downright fire and brimstone stuff. gonna probably spend the night down this rabbit hole
The thing about book of enoch is that it is written pretty late in history about jesus’s time. What i am saying is that its not actually written by enoch so its fictional, but yes it influenced some newtestment bible.
AppleFrogTomatoFace and the 4 gospels werent written hy Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Most of “Pauls” letters weren’t written by him. 1 and 2 Peter werent written by Peter. Whats your point? Also most of the letters in the “new” testament were written way after the apostles died
@@AppleFrogTomatoFace Pretty much all the oldest texts on the Bible are copies written by scribes.
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Even if Enoch didn't write the book which was named after him, something HAS to be true. Otherwise, truth and lie would have no meaning. If everything were a lie, there is no truth, then. If everything were true, lies literally mean nothing. This is the goal, though. To figure out what is actually incorrect so that we have no more lies. And eventually, we get there.
Please make a video telling us everything
This was a sensational video. I don't subscribe to any faith, but this series gave me a huge amount of insight, I formed new positive and negative opinions about the Bible. Everyone who is faithful needs to watch this video, because I feel like too many are blissfully ignorant. I feel closer to knowing the truth. Even those who scoff at the faithful should watch this. There are things we can take from the bible and use in our lives.
So an interesting textual change I’m familiar with is from Leviticus. The whole man shall not lay with another man line was most likely describing something more akin to pederasty.
I’d love to see a deep dive into this change
Thanks for the comment. Was just reading on Leviticus in Wiki (I know, who does that) and in the context of the sexual prohibitions-like a father shall not sleep with his daughter, niece-the “a man shall not sleep with a boy” makes a lot more sense.
It makes sense, a 'whole' man would mean an adult.
It's funny howhomosexuals who don't believe anyhow are so desperate for biblical approval...do you honestly think that the hebrews in the time of Moses were alright withsodomy?
@@frankmuller3157 most of the world was fine w homosexuality before the colonial era
@@frankmuller3157 They were fine with it. The "Sin of Sodom" was being inhospitable to strangers, not butt sex. Literally all instances of the word, "homosexual," in modern transliterations were done just this past century, by one man, who took every word that could have anything to do with sexuality and made it about adult men being together, whereas the original words didn't mean that at all. A better question is, why are people like you, allegedly a Christian, so desperate to prove that your version of religion, and your idea of god, never included, and should never include, gay people? When you end up being shown the original phrasing, with _correct_ transliterations, are you going to suddenly realise you were wrong, having been misled by one man, who really hated gays early last century, and beg forgiveness for your own sins, including Pride? Nah. I didn't think so. Always remember this: It has been the constant hatefulness of people like you, who drove good and kind people like me from among your flocks. We seek acceptance because we come from your own families, and because there isn't anything wrong with how our Creator made us in the womb. Question the creation, you're questioning the Creator. As a Wiccan Elder Priest, I am likely living a life far more in line with the teachings of your Jesus than you, as I listened to his intent, and ignore the later, Hellenised Jewish blatherings of Saul/Paul. Before you decide to respond, or ever speak on this topic again, consider: you are ignorant of the original texts. Stop being so confident from within your ownignorance, as your confidence harms others. Presumably, you want others to treat you as you treat them? Presumably, you shouldn't judge anyone else, unless you want to forgo Jesus' gift to you, and instead be judged by your god based on the accumulated sins of your own life? Have at it, Hoss. It's only _your_ soul.
P.S. #ByeFelicia.
These videos are lovely. As a Christian,
these are extremely helpful.
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞
John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞
Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞
That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus.
The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC.
That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
@@carerforever2118 You do understand that the Jews still pray to the God of Old Testament, and they are not worshiping the sun? They also worship on Saturday.
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...I have no clue what your point is even supposed to be.
@@carerforever2118 What on earth are you smoking
@@bigcat5348 what you smoke, and go after muslims
Red sky at night, sailor's delight but red sky in morning, sailor's warning.
Unknown fact #3. The Bible is a Bronze age tome of Sea Shanties.
I was always taught shepherds not sailors, weird.
Why do you think it's unknown fact number 3? Because you didn't know.
Okay, but let's put our big boy pants on for a fast second! Sailors did sailing stuff and when you do sailing stuff you're in the water and everything the sea does is out of your control and can be seem as an act of God, right?
The line is out of the bible and sailors are superstitious AND religious that I will not call the same as religion out of respect to the religious.
That saying from the bible was turned into an old sea shanty because that line from the bible was not exactly wrong.
Even if the bible was about sea shanties it would make it no less about God in the eyes of sailors... But it's not because that was a joke about a saying in the bible that morphed at some point into something about the sea.
It's okay my faithful friends, this was not a dig at or on the bible.
Wait! Watch the video before you get offended by a comment or read your bibles more because what I said was in the video and I have a feeling that you two never watched the video so I don't know what I'm trying to explain to you guys.
They are a farmer, not a sailpr person.
@@galloe8933 You're correct. Sailors knew this saying long before Christ and following a single god was even a thing. It was well known and had to be for safety reasons, and only known thanks to actual science. Sailors had figured out that the sky turns red before a storm, thanks to changes in pressure and other sciency stuff I just dont remember, but basically changes in the atmosphere thanks to electric energy from the approaching storm makes the sky red. So sky red at night meant the storms would pass over night while red sky in the morning meant you would be stuck in a storm.
I'm sure you know all this lol, just wanted to add it to the comments :)
@@Rhaenarys Bravo dude! I never put too much thought into it and this is the first time I've heard it from the bible before hand it was just something my dad used to say so as any child craves wisdom when they are very young, I held onto it into my adult years but I don't think I've ever even tried using it to see if it's true.
My ancestor, James Ussher, was the top theologian in Ireland in the early 1600s. He worked with King James promoting the Anglican Church and persecuting Catholics, influencing the King James Bible translation.
This is my kinda Sunday sermon!
This is super interesting, its crazy how one book has been repeated and translated over such a massively long period of time and has seen all these little changes from edition to edition depending on sensibilities at the time of writing. Just a really cool thing to think about. Love your videos, I appreciate how respectfully you tackle topics like this.
Which makes me wonder even more why they absolutely do not want to change anything today. If it was alright to change the Bible to fit the times, why isn't it acceptable to change it for modern times too.
@@lolaknaus1846 bc its the word of Gpd it doesn't have to please society
@@lolaknaus1846 also it wasn't changed over time the NT has a 99,5% of accuracy
Fatima Kebe they obviously changes it many times to please society , did you not listen to the video ?
There were only small changes plus the message is still the same. If you look at early Christians their beliefs are identical to ours.
I recently found your channel, and immediately was drawn into your presentation, factual opinion, and your fascinating knowledge.
You have a great channel, and you are a pleasure to listen to. I'm glad TH-cam recommended you, apparently, you're doing all the right stuff.
Thank you for the time you devote to this work. For most of us, this is free information, and the least I can do, is leave this comment, complimenting you on your superb edutainment.
Almost forgot to mention, your respect to the historicity of your more cultural subjects. Religion in particular, is commendable.
I'm an atheist, former Christian, and I see the facts that's made me an atheist, but I still have respect for those who don't have the lightbulb go off about such things.
It's refreshing, to see a non zealous angle.
Facts, presented in an educational, but informative way, that doesn't seek to undermine an entire belief system. None the less, it sheds light.
Hard to explain, but bitterness shows through, even on the most respectful channels when it comes to atheism, and you don't give off that vibe at all.
Thank you for making these videos informative and not bashing the faith. My Faith is so important to me and I love to learn new things. I love your channel, keep up the good work!
Wow the book of Judas is crazy to me! I never knew. That’s so interesting
Spartan Mon Judas is the biblical Snape.
The funny thing is that a lot of the rediscoveries of ancient Books were not a large surprise to most christian Theologians, as we have extensive writings from Church Fathers on why they are heretical and should be rejected.
Jesus made him the one that looks over their treasury so he trusted him and also why he will betrayed jesus for only 30 silver while he probably had access to more in the treasury.
Mark Smileer Oh hi Mark.
I see your great wall of text, and I did indeed read it. Obviously this is a subject you are somewhat invested in.
I am however not quite sure that I am the right recipient.
My comment was just a remark on how Snape and Judas (according to the book of Judas) have similarities.
I can tell you this: I am not a believer of any higher beings (in the moment, might one day be convinced otherwise) i am fascinated by faith, it is a truly global an ancient “ideology” of how to control the masses. I have difficulty deserting the meaning of your text, is it one statement or maybe more? And what is your standpoint? Agnostic? Believer and I what the? Look your last paragraph on modern medicine and nasa, is gibberish to me. I read the words, but I am not sure what you are trying to say. What do you mean you can cure your self of everything, who I hiding what and are you saying modern medicine is a hoax? And NASA to?
Of course it might just be my limited understanding of the English language, as I a Dane clearly is not a native speaker. Moreover, and you might call me a sheep or whatever, I am a soldier and incredibly trusting of authorities, I love my country and I am willing to fight and die for the people inhabiting it, I’d rather be called a sheepdog. This however is not to be confused with being a simpleton, I am quite well educated and well read, in topics of law, faith and philosophy. I always like new information, so be my guest, tell me everything you believe is the truth (not saying it is not) I will however make my own judgment of it.
Just answer one thing; why me?
Best regards
@Mark Smileer Sir you have written some words of wisdom but have some stupid things in between :
1-yes The Creator must have spoken with Adam and Eve in a language that probably the mother of all languages today but if you believe in the story of the tower of Babel (which I see as wrong as human language evolves by separation) in the bible that means before 4200 years ago all humans had the same language which is false.
2- the bible is really the oldest telephone game still continuing until today but the Vatican must have the surviving original Gospel hidden and preserved in their archives mostly for faith reasons.
This is amazing Trey! I think a lot of people would love to see you discuss The Lost Books. Great content as always!
Greatly enjoyed and appreciated these two videos, serving as good introductory summaries of the complex field of biblical scholarship. Thank you!
15:00 In England we say "Red sky at night shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning shepherd's warning." dont know if anyone else has the same expression.
5:47 That popping up threw me off so hard lmao. 10/10 illustration
*edit* OK that Doofenshcmirtz was even better
He was a carpenter.
The cross was his best work.
Especially since it managed to avoid decay all these years.
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword"
i guess he knew he's fate all along
@@LarsTonguesInAspix He also said he did not come to bring peace. He was sure right about that!
Time for phD scholars to write theses on bible contradictions, nuances, deletions, additions, subtractions motivated by war, politics, hegemony, vendetta, personal likes or dislikes etc.
This kind of research is pretty standard stuff in the field. It's where the creator of this vid got the information for it.
That's been done to death. It will continue to be done to death. The Bible is (are?) the most researched, analysed, and read book(s) on Earth.
@@Eddie-ls9zw kind of, he’s mostly parroting Bart ehrman, who generally goes against majority scholarship in his more interesting claims
Sam othy, sure. Seems likely. But that's largely because Ehrman is the best at presenting centuries of biblical textual criticism in accessable language for non academics. We should expect experts like Ehrman to have his own thoughts on some of the issues in the field.
Anyone who studies theology researches and writes papers on these topics. They don't get the idea from youtube video - it's quite the opposite. As already stated above, that's where he got the information. Although it may be new to you, that doesn't mean it's new to the field or to others who study it
It's interesting how Mark says that the three women didn't convey what they saw to anyone, yet Mark knows about it
Nice informative and straightforward mini series, I will be looking forward to similar future videos!
I would only like to bring a slight correction : the Gnostics were not one sect or a homogenous group, but rather a wide variety of sects that emerged in the first and the second century. Amongst Gnostics some did identify two different gods in the two testaments, but many others were strictly monotheistic, while some more had truly impressive takes on that. (I highly recommend to anyone who thinks they know how wild religion went in eurasia in the first and second century to look some Gnostic sects up, nothing you can imagine will prepare you for that & its very interesting and makes you reconsider christianisme in a whole different light.)
My priest once mentioned in a sermon that the adulteress story wasn’t originally included. He said it was because some early Christians thought Jesus was too lenient in the story.
You gotta cool priest bro
23:36 Judas and Jesus remind me of Snape and Dumbledore.
Maybe that was Jk Rowling's inspiration ?
@@caiawlodarski5339 Possible
Thank you, Trey. Your time in researching and your efforts to share your findings are much appreciated. I agree that this information need not make us question the word of God, but leads us to look for witnesses which stand together to verify the truth of God. So often, people take offense at the eighth Article of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which states "8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."
People often falsely assume that such a statement diminishes the authenticity and worth of the Bible. Not so. It is simply being honest. I revere both the Old and New Testaments and love studying them as I do the Book of Mormon. One can hear the voice of the Ultimate Author in all of them. I want all of His word I can get, especially in the face of the mists of darkness creeping over the earth.
Thanks again for sharing.
I hope there are not any spoilers in this video. 👩🏽🏫I haven’t finished the book yet. 🤷🏾♀️ Dont tell my mom. 🤦🏼♀️
Jesus dies
Jesus uses his stand Crazy Diamond to heal the sick 4:32
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15:50 "hips dont lie" know that should be in the bibble
Notes: Every instance of John 7:53-8:11 is missing from texts dating prior to 400 C.E. and makes the story of The Adulteress an addition to John dated to have occurred centuries after the death of Jesus. Another textual variant can be seen in instances of Mark 1:41 where Jesus becomes angry upon being approached by a leper (Codex Bezae, Codex Corbeinsis II) rather than being filled with compassion. Scholars seem to have a consensus that a change from compassion to anger rather than the reverse would make much less sense as an addition or variant than the original iteration of the story telling an instance where Jesus got mad at the fact that a leper was approaching him and begging for a miracle that would totally blow his entire cover in the city.
One very key addition to The Christian Bible was the addition of proof of resurrection within Mark. The Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus both end at Mark 16:8 and only in later versions is there a longer ending to Mark added to it. The original version seems to indicate that it's unclear whether or not Jesus was resurrected and that the only way to know is through a leap of faith, either faith in the robed man's deceit or foolishness, or faith in Jesus having been resurrected. The women told no-one out of fear, but how could the story possibly have been told if that were actually the case? That's a pretty big plot hole. Either the entire story is fiction, or some of it is. Only the author of a fiction would know what was told to no-one.
This is damn outstanding.
I LOVE your timeline view showing where passages appeared over time.
Very helpful!
"So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, and then say, “This is from God,” that they may exchange it for a little price. Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn." Qur'an 2 79
Praise be to God. This has all along confirmed the Qur'an claim that the Christians scriptures were corrupted
@@adaradar3141 i am not muslim but isnt this verse talking about the torah the jewish text? Next thing the quran would go under the same processes that the bible did to say the bible is corrupted while quran is not would be ridicoulous.
@@Neoflares Brother, I pray that this same scholars would turn their honest scrutiny to assess the Qur'an just like they are doing to Bible. Many non Muslims scholars have done it before, but this is 21st century where the knowledge is more advance than the previous centuries.
@@Neoflares Yea, it talks about both the Taurat (Torah), Injeel (Gospel of Jesus) and Zabur (Psalms of David). Qur'an called all of them scriptures that came before it (Qur'an).
@@Neoflares The reason you don't see this atheists attacking Qur'an was because there was nothing to attack against the book. This guys hate religion of any kind, they desperately look for converts from anywhere especially from the two main strong religions (Islam and Christianity), they know there are no flaws in the Qur'an that's why they don't attack it, if there are such errors they would take advantage of it and get more converts
Ok but can we agree that the cliffhanger ending of Mark is hands down the best one? The fact that there's a possibility that Jesus wasn't even resurrected, or if he was, then nobody even knew about it just kind of makes the floor drop out from under you.
What a thriller.
Oh man, the Mark 16:8 ending is absolutely amazing in my opinion. The Gospel of Mark is very well done and clever if that was the original intended ending. It really sticks with you and makes you feel uncomfortable and that's why I like it.
@Jeffery Kongolo It's not really a contradiction in my opinion. It makes it seem like God, when he dictated to the scribe, revealed what really happened even though nobody knew because the women had kept it a secret. And the other, even more ominous interpretation is that the scribe who wrote down the gospel didn't hear anything from god, but simply PRAYED that this was the actual ending because even though nobody had seen Jesus since, he just HAD to believe that the resurrection wasn't just a farce and that human error was to blame.
It's dark and depressing, but also weirdly meta. I love it.
Magi V, don’t forget it is wildly believed that John Mark wrote the Gospel of Mark from the words of Peter as he preached.
There are still other accounts to consider. I think the apostle Paul really nails the possibility that Jesus didn’t rise from the grave in the head. Allow me to give some reasons why.
It is wildly believed that John Mark wrote the Gospel of Mark and that he wrote it from the preaching of Peter. If the document is written that early then it could be that he didn’t see a need for an ending like that while Peter was still preaching. If it was a bit later than that, it could be that the death of the apostle without recanting was seen as reason enough. But either way, as far as I know there hasn’t been a historical heresy that uses the Gospel of Mark as a proof that Jesus didn’t rise from the grave (I could be wrong on this).
Secondly, there’s the gospel of Luke that is considered to borrow heavily from the gospel of Mark. And there’s also the acts of the apostles which were also written by Luke. Furthermore, the gospel of Luke is Luke’s attempt to bring an orderly account of the events (this is presented in the first 4 verses of Luke’s gospel). If Luke borrowed from Mark’s work and did investigate the claims thoroughly there’s no reason to suggest that the ending of Mark is intended to horrify or suggest a lack of a resurrection.
Thirdly, we have a handful of interconnected people. Luke, John Mark, Peter, and Paul. The acts of the apostles tell us that these people have met (Peter however, may not have actually met Luke, but Luke did know everyone else since he travels with Paul). I would highly doubt that if there was an issue with the gospel of Mark that any of these people wouldn’t pounce on it. On top of that, there is the issue that Paul doesn’t beat around the bush. Paul quite literally proclaims a resurrected Christ. And both Paul and Peter even spend some time together according to Acts.
If the ending of Mark was intended to suggest that Jesus wasn’t resurrected then there are too many conflicting sources adamantly proclaiming that he did and it wouldn’t make sense for a disciple like John Mark to rewrite the history.
On top of that, if the tradition is true that Peter went to Rome to preach, and that the gospel was written in Rome by Mark, then we also have a letter from Paul to the Romans regarding their faith and says in Romans 6:4 that Christ died and rose from the dead.
What’s even more interesting is the fact that the Gospel of Mark is the oldest (first) recorded account of Jesus!
I had a good giggle when Doof came onto the screen. Too funny! What a great video- well organized and presented