That Bird is gorgeous. I had a 81' Turbo Trans Am back about 97' or 98'. I bought it because the guy thought be punched a hole in a piston. NOPE!!! Oil seals on the turbo were bad so it was smoking the neighborhood out lol. Paid $600 for it. It looked brand new. DecKs were perfect. Car had been garage kept. Black on black car. Not a spit in the interior. Went to Garrett and bought a new turbo for $400. Lol. But being young and stupid. The guy and I had a falling out before I got the title so I junked it for $50. The sad thing was 6 months later we made up. You live and you learn.
Now the kids are grown and gone I can get back to it. I am doing a Ls3/6L80 swap on my 03' Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I found a Ls3 block for $500. I just dropped it at the machine shop last week.
Nice!Im researching LS3 strokers now.I’m looking for something very similar,a nice smooth ride till you get on it.I can pick up a stroked long block it it has 700hp,560 torque.I wanna ask him to go with a milder cam. Any suggestions?Still going strong?Any help would be appreciated
I went with a BTR Stage 2 NA LS3 cam… 225.5@50 intake duration 238@50 exhaust 113 LSA can’t remember the exact lift…around .620 . I’m running a 3000 rpm stall. I drove it as a daily driver all summer without a single problem. If I was to to do anything… maybe go up to a cam with 230 ish intake duration.. but she’s pretty smooth with tons of power on demand.
@@vikenlink Much appreciated.Have to do some more homework on the heads but that cam sounds just about right.Sometimes it’s tough finding a happy medium.Thanks for all the help.
@@johnnyhotrod yes sir…. Camshaft selection can be really tricky. Too big and you have a miserable driving experience…. From my experience… always go for the smaller camshaft on a street car. Otherwise you’ll be taking it apart again. I asked myvintageiron who’s got a TH-cam channel about a street cam for a 416 stroker.. he picked a 228@50 intake 238@50 exhaust with a LSA 110 which will give you even more bottom end torque but rowdy idle. The BTR Stage 2 LS3 cam is perfect. Oh ya Don’t use polyurethane engine transmission mount on a street car . It will shake and vibrate everything that isn’t bolted down lol.
@@vikenlink Engine is being built now.I ordered the Holley LS swap kit for the first Gen Camaro.They only have poly engine mounts,the transmission I can use a rubber mount. Im hoping it works out,I don’t want a ton of vibration. I’ll research more to see if I can find a rubber set that will work with the Holley
@@johnnyhotrod I definitely recommend the rubber mounts if possible… I had the polyurethane Holley mounts. The experience was like having to big a cam lol. You feel every pulse of every cylinder. Everything vibrates and rattles. For a track car I’d go poly, street cars need rubber.
1 7/8 long tube headers into 3 inch collectors into two catalytic converters then into X pipe into duel Brola mufflers all the way down 3 inches tail pipes . I have a video getting the exhaust done
@@vikenlink I’m getting the same setup minus the cats.was worried the 3” exhaust would be much louder.I’m older now and don’t enjoy the mind rattling exhaust like I once did,trying to tone it down a bit. Thanks
@@johnnyhotrod well it’s not quite as the video sounds, it’s a little noisy. I guess the mic doesn’t really reflect how loud it sounds. I prefer driving with the T Tops removed.. it’s definitely sounds quieter exhaust wise with the tops off. I’m sure it would be really noisy without the cats, the cats act like a resonator.
@@vikenlink I know there’s only so much you can do with a muscle car.My last setup was a 396 with headers and 2-1/2 exhaust,got the quietest mufflers I could and still it was over bearing. It’s part of it,I’ll just do my best to control it
Ya I hear ya, headers really make the exhaust system bark louder then cast manifolds. Cast manifolds dampens the sound where headers being so thin that they resonate and really define the individual exhaust pulses.
Yes.... it’s safe to drive, most of the tuning is pretty well done. Just getting the idle tune was difficult if not impossible due to the China made 102mm throttle body. I replaced the throttle body with a Nick Williams 102mm throttle body. Now, My throttle blade, idle rpm and TPS sensor reading doesn’t hang up anymore, also the IAC motor is now able to holding a steady reading. Where’s with the Chinese throttle body... the reading was all over the place..
@@ryry350 glad I can help. I just seen a video on a LS3 416 stroker on the Dyno . It’ has 10.5:1 compression, I have about 11.5:1 compression. They used a 224@ 50 intake and 232@ 50 with about 600 lift. I have a 225@50 intake and 238@50 exhaust . The engine put out 627 HP and 580 foot pounds of torque . Just goes to show that you don’t need a huge cam to make power on a LS Stroker using the rectangle port LS heads.
Vic she sounds amazing. She is going to go like hell. Your going to have to get some good DRs for the rear . Yea we got moron drivers down here to. Lol that’s when you step on the gas and blast past them lol
If you’re rebuilding your engine and have the extra cash, it’s worth the investment going to a 416 ci engine. I originally had the LS3 in my ride. Loved the power delivery with a mild street BTR Stage 1 NA LS3 camshaft. Going to a 416 with a BTR Stage 2 cam ….the first advantage over the LS3 I noticed is tons of extra low rpm tire melting torque. Im basically getting an extra 100 hp and a 120 foot pounds of torque across the power curve without sacrificing any power tradeoff down low. It’s really not a waste of money as long as you can afford it. Part Prices have gone up about 30% since I built my 416. If I was going to do it again today.. I would spend the extra cash if I could afford to. Good luck with your decision and project.
@@matt81z28 that’s my achilles heel. I can’t put a big cam in my car without losing drivability because it’s an automatic….stall Converters are very expensive. If I had to do it all over again, definitely would go with a 6 speed manual. BTR Stage 3 or 4 cam with the new performance design LS3 XS intake manifold. That’s the new LS3 performance intake manifold that makes more power across the power curve. The intake itself is worth an additional 30-40 hp alone on my current combo. Just not in my budget right now.
Hi Vincent.. unfortunately I didn’t shoot a video wiring the electrical up. The Holley Terminator X Max is pretty much plug and play. All wires are pre labeled for all the sensors. There’s a direct negative and positive terminal that go directly to the battery posts. Then there’s a few wires coming out of the harness with relays such as the transmission, cooling fans and fuel pump sending unit which need additional power that go to switched accessory power and negative ground connections for the relays . Pretty simple. The Holley terminator has a tachometer output and programable coolant temperature output . My speedometer is run by GPS antenna and is also hooked to the speed sensor off the transmission. Hope this helps.😎
@@ChateauLeCoak the Holley terminator x Max is excellent. Fairly easy to tune , works like a charm . And if you decided to go boost. It’s capable of tuning blowers , turbocharged or nitric.
I’m sure she’s making at least 600hp if not more. I have LS3 rectangle port heads and a BTR stage 2 NA cam ... specs I 225 E 238 @ 50 I 612 E 605 lift and LSA 113... 60LB Bosch matched injectors 102mm throttle body with the stock LS3 intake manifold, 1 7/8 headers . 11.5:1 compression ratio. Complete summit racing stroker 416 forged rotating assembly😎
You’re gonna love the extra ordinary power increase. Just don’t go to crazy with the cam specs for a street machine. Anything bigger then 228@50 intake 240@50 on the exhaust 110 LSA For racy idle up to 115 LSA for a sleeper. Anything bigger will hurt idle and won’t really make any more power unless you’re planning to redline at 7500-8000 rpm. Good luck with the build!
@@nfwsrt8zl12 I haven’t had a chance to put the car on the dyno... if I had left my L92 stock just getting rid of the VVT with just a cam swap with headers . I’m looking at 540 hp 490 foot lb torque. That being said... a 416 with the same cam and 11.3:1 compression..... I’m expecting at least 650 hp at the crankshaft 550-600 Foot Lb torque. My cam specs out at 600 lift intake with 225@50 duration and exhaust lift at 612 with 238@50 duration LSA 113 degrees. Great idle, sleeper quality in tell you step on the gas pedal. Then all hell breaks lose, the exhaust comes to life and power that every car guy wants.
How’s the Colorado swap coming? I’ve got an fbody with a 12:1 416, 233/241, .630/.630 112LSA cam, CNCd heads, stock LS3 intake. It ended up making 515/500 at the tire. I’ve also got a Colorado, single cab and a coupla 6.2s and aluminum 5.3s laying around. I’d like to put at least 450 down with it, but I’m afraid the severe lack of weight and traction in the back is gonna be an issue.
Hello... well according to Summit racing’s pro LS 416 stroker kit with the 6cc dish pistons, you get 10.9:1 with 70cc heads, I had my heads milled to 68cc and had my block decked . So actually I’m at around 11.3:1- 11.5:1. There’s the link at summit below to check and verify compression. www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-r58400706
@@vikenlink hey vic what fuel system are you running my engine is done thanks for the advice on cams ect ect ! finalizing the fuel system now then put it all back together
@@lukealcock5873 hello.. thanks for the question... I’m using a summit racing in tank fuel pump capable of producing 120LB fuel pressure. I modified my original fuel tank and installed the pump accordingly. I used 3/8 copper nickel fuel line , AN8 feed AN6 return fittings with SS reinforced braided flex lines for feed and return going from the tank to the Holley sniper fuel rails and back to the tank via a Holley fuel pressure regulator. I set the pressure at 60LB. I’m running Bosch 60LB 630cc EV6 12 ohm high impedance fuel injectors. The 60LB injectors support up to 825 HP if needed. The complete system including ignition is controlled by the Holley Terminator X max controller. I hope I didn’t leave anything out LOL.
@@lukealcock6711 hi Luke.... this is the rotating assembly I used .. great quality kit, top notch pistons, rods and crankshaft! www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-r58400706 t
@@lukealcock6711 oh ya the cam ... If you want a beast that idles properly and has tons of low end torque with crazy top end HP ... go with the BTR stage 2 NA LS3 cam. Or something with similar specs. Intake @50 is 225 degrees, exhaust @50 238 degrees with a LSA of 113. Lift is at .620 intake and .605 exhaust, Some experts recommend less LSA like 110 but you’re gonna end up with a ruff idle. I also have a 3000 rpm stall converter hooked up to a 4L70E transmission. Good luck with your build. You’re gonna love the brute power and torque. Don’t be fooled by cam manufacturers stage ratings. The BTR stage 2 cam specs are similar to cam motions stage 4 cam. The most important specs to look for in a camshaft is intake and exhaust duration ... I recommend keeping intake duration under 230 degrees and exhaust duration under 240 degrees. Lobe separation angle should be 112- 115 to keep good vacuum. Lift is the least important but is directly related to the cylinder heads you’re going to use. I have stock LS3 rectangle port heads that I had milled down to 68cc volume from the stock 70cc. This will give you approximately 11.3 to 1 compression with 6 cc dished pistons that come with the summit pro LS stroker kit.
That Bird is gorgeous. I had a 81' Turbo Trans Am back about 97' or 98'. I bought it because the guy thought be punched a hole in a piston. NOPE!!! Oil seals on the turbo were bad so it was smoking the neighborhood out lol. Paid $600 for it. It looked brand new. DecKs were perfect. Car had been garage kept. Black on black car. Not a spit in the interior. Went to Garrett and bought a new turbo for $400. Lol. But being young and stupid. The guy and I had a falling out before I got the title so I junked it for $50. The sad thing was 6 months later we made up. You live and you learn.
Now the kids are grown and gone I can get back to it. I am doing a Ls3/6L80 swap on my 03' Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I found a Ls3 block for $500. I just dropped it at the machine shop last week.
Best part of this vid is the minivan because why is this v4 van driving on the Fwy like it’s the Blvd on a Sunday leaving church 😂
Beast mode activated..... oh yeah
thinking about throwing a 416 in my 06 chevy🤔
Definitely Canada ayee
Nice!Im researching LS3 strokers now.I’m looking for something very similar,a nice smooth ride till you get on it.I can pick up a stroked long block it it has 700hp,560 torque.I wanna ask him to go with a milder cam.
Any suggestions?Still going strong?Any help would be appreciated
I went with a BTR Stage 2 NA LS3 cam… 225.5@50 intake duration 238@50 exhaust 113 LSA can’t remember the exact lift…around .620 . I’m running a 3000 rpm stall. I drove it as a daily driver all summer without a single problem. If I was to to do anything… maybe go up to a cam with 230 ish intake duration.. but she’s pretty smooth with tons of power on demand.
@@vikenlink Much appreciated.Have to do some more homework on the heads but that cam sounds just about right.Sometimes it’s tough finding a happy medium.Thanks for all the help.
@@johnnyhotrod yes sir…. Camshaft selection can be really tricky. Too big and you have a miserable driving experience…. From my experience… always go for the smaller camshaft on a street car. Otherwise you’ll be taking it apart again. I asked myvintageiron who’s got a TH-cam channel about a street cam for a 416 stroker.. he picked a 228@50 intake 238@50 exhaust with a LSA 110 which will give you even more bottom end torque but rowdy idle. The BTR Stage 2 LS3 cam is perfect. Oh ya Don’t use polyurethane engine transmission mount on a street car . It will shake and vibrate everything that isn’t bolted down lol.
@@vikenlink Engine is being built now.I ordered the Holley LS swap kit for the first Gen Camaro.They only have poly engine mounts,the transmission I can use a rubber mount.
Im hoping it works out,I don’t want a ton of vibration.
I’ll research more to see if I can find a rubber set that will work with the Holley
@@johnnyhotrod I definitely recommend the rubber mounts if possible… I had the polyurethane Holley mounts. The experience was like having to big a cam lol. You feel every pulse of every cylinder. Everything vibrates and rattles. For a track car I’d go poly, street cars need rubber.
Your interior sounds pretty quiet,can I ask about your exhaust setup?
Stock manifolds or headers?2-1/2 or 3” exhaust?What mufflers?
Thanks
1 7/8 long tube headers into 3 inch collectors into two catalytic converters then into X pipe into duel Brola mufflers all the way down 3 inches tail pipes . I have a video getting the exhaust done
@@vikenlink I’m getting the same setup minus the cats.was worried the 3” exhaust would be much louder.I’m older now and don’t enjoy the mind rattling exhaust like I once did,trying to tone it down a bit.
Thanks
@@johnnyhotrod well it’s not quite as the video sounds, it’s a little noisy. I guess the mic doesn’t really reflect how loud it sounds. I prefer driving with the T Tops removed.. it’s definitely sounds quieter exhaust wise with the tops off. I’m sure it would be really noisy without the cats, the cats act like a resonator.
@@vikenlink I know there’s only so much you can do with a muscle car.My last setup was a 396 with headers and 2-1/2 exhaust,got the quietest mufflers I could and still it was over bearing.
It’s part of it,I’ll just do my best to control it
Ya I hear ya, headers really make the exhaust system bark louder then cast manifolds. Cast manifolds dampens the sound where headers being so thin that they resonate and really define the individual exhaust pulses.
Is it safe to drive if not tuned yet? Just did a 416 stroker and started it up and it idles nice. Just wanted to put some miles on it before dyno
Yes.... it’s safe to drive, most of the tuning is pretty well done. Just getting the idle tune was difficult if not impossible due to the China made 102mm throttle body. I replaced the throttle body with a Nick Williams 102mm throttle body. Now, My throttle blade, idle rpm and TPS sensor reading doesn’t hang up anymore, also the IAC motor is now able to holding a steady reading. Where’s with the Chinese throttle body... the reading was all over the place..
@@vikenlink thank you so much. You’re videos have helped me put together this motor with confidence
@@ryry350 glad I can help. I just seen a video on a LS3 416 stroker on the Dyno . It’ has 10.5:1 compression, I have about 11.5:1 compression. They used a 224@ 50 intake and 232@ 50 with about 600 lift. I have a 225@50 intake and 238@50 exhaust . The engine put out 627 HP and 580 foot pounds of torque . Just goes to show that you don’t need a huge cam to make power on a LS Stroker using the rectangle port LS heads.
th-cam.com/video/GoqivsJrQis/w-d-xo.html
Vic she sounds amazing. She is going to go like hell.
Your going to have to get some good DRs for the rear .
Yea we got moron drivers down here to. Lol that’s when you step on the gas and blast past them lol
Idk how to feel about this. I want to build a 416, but i feel it'd be a waste of money. I know you're babying it, but compared to mine.... idk
If you’re rebuilding your engine and have the extra cash, it’s worth the investment going to a 416 ci engine. I originally had the LS3 in my ride. Loved the power delivery with a mild street BTR Stage 1 NA LS3 camshaft. Going to a 416 with a BTR Stage 2 cam ….the first advantage over the LS3 I noticed is tons of extra low rpm tire melting torque. Im basically getting an extra 100 hp and a 120 foot pounds of torque across the power curve without sacrificing any power tradeoff down low. It’s really not a waste of money as long as you can afford it. Part Prices have gone up about 30% since I built my 416. If I was going to do it again today.. I would spend the extra cash if I could afford to.
Good luck with your decision and project.
@vikenlink that's very true on part prices. My ls3 only had forged pistons. I was running the tsp f35 cam stage 4 basically. T56.
@@matt81z28 that’s my achilles heel. I can’t put a big cam in my car without losing drivability because it’s an automatic….stall Converters are very expensive. If I had to do it all over again, definitely would go with a 6 speed manual. BTR Stage 3 or 4 cam with the new performance design LS3 XS intake manifold. That’s the new LS3 performance intake manifold that makes more power across the power curve. The intake itself is worth an additional 30-40 hp alone on my current combo. Just not in my budget right now.
@vikenlink wow I didn't even know a new manifold came out. It looks crazy... I want it. 😤
@Vic N how did you wire the vehicle up? Do you have any video on that?
Hi Vincent.. unfortunately I didn’t shoot a video wiring the electrical up. The Holley Terminator X Max is pretty much plug and play. All wires are pre labeled for all the sensors. There’s a direct negative and positive terminal that go directly to the battery posts. Then there’s a few wires coming out of the harness with relays such as the transmission, cooling fans and fuel pump sending unit which need additional power that go to switched accessory power and negative ground connections for the relays . Pretty simple. The Holley terminator has a tachometer output and programable coolant temperature output . My speedometer is run by GPS antenna and is also hooked to the speed sensor off the transmission.
Hope this helps.😎
@@vikenlink thx for that info as I'm working on my 6.2 to go in a 74 Nova. Time for me to do research on that Terminator X.
@@ChateauLeCoak the Holley terminator x Max is excellent. Fairly easy to tune , works like a charm . And if you decided to go boost. It’s capable of tuning blowers , turbocharged or nitric.
a ls 416 should make 475 horse with the worst ls heads and cam thats how good ls engines breathe
I’m sure she’s making at least 600hp if not more. I have LS3 rectangle port heads and a BTR stage 2 NA cam ... specs I 225 E 238 @ 50
I 612 E 605 lift and LSA 113... 60LB Bosch matched injectors 102mm throttle body with the stock LS3 intake manifold, 1 7/8 headers . 11.5:1 compression ratio. Complete summit racing stroker 416 forged rotating assembly😎
th-cam.com/video/GoqivsJrQis/w-d-xo.html
Teaser!
Love the gauges what brand are they ?
The gauges are D Racing
This has to be the 401
Yup
@@vikenlink I'm on my way to pick up a camaro with a 416 and procharger. Extremely excited to see your progress!
@@eee-tb9cl with a pro charger…. I’m jealous!🥸
what gear and what would you do diff
Stock 308 gears…. Would’ve maybe gone with a 5 speed stick if I did it again.
I am building a Colorado with a 416
You’re gonna love the extra ordinary power increase. Just don’t go to crazy with the cam specs for a street machine. Anything bigger then 228@50 intake 240@50 on the exhaust 110 LSA For racy idle up to 115 LSA for a sleeper. Anything bigger will hurt idle and won’t really make any more power unless you’re planning to redline at 7500-8000 rpm.
Good luck with the build!
@@vikenlink ok thanks I wanna keep it more of a street complete sleeper and how much HP is your 416 making
@@nfwsrt8zl12 I haven’t had a chance to put the car on the dyno... if I had left my L92 stock just getting rid of the VVT with just a cam swap with headers . I’m looking at 540 hp 490 foot lb torque. That being said... a 416 with the same cam and 11.3:1 compression..... I’m expecting at least 650 hp at the crankshaft 550-600 Foot Lb torque.
My cam specs out at 600 lift intake with 225@50 duration and exhaust lift at 612 with 238@50 duration LSA 113 degrees. Great idle, sleeper quality in tell you step on the gas pedal. Then all hell breaks lose, the exhaust comes to life and power that every car guy wants.
How’s the Colorado swap coming? I’ve got an fbody with a 12:1 416, 233/241, .630/.630 112LSA cam, CNCd heads, stock LS3 intake. It ended up making 515/500 at the tire. I’ve also got a Colorado, single cab and a coupla 6.2s and aluminum 5.3s laying around. I’d like to put at least 450 down with it, but I’m afraid the severe lack of weight and traction in the back is gonna be an issue.
Going in a 67 Camaro
You’re gonna have a hard time keeping a straight face when you put your foot down on the pedal 😎
and what converter
3000 rpm stall converter from a local builder…. I should of gone with a 3500 rpm stall that gives me the option of a bigger cam if desired.
What cam are you using?
Brian Tooley stage 2 cam
How did you get 11.5:1?
Hello... well according to Summit racing’s pro LS 416 stroker kit with the 6cc dish pistons, you get 10.9:1 with 70cc heads, I had my heads milled to 68cc and had my block decked . So actually I’m at around 11.3:1- 11.5:1. There’s the link at summit below to check and verify compression.
www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-r58400706
how about a second vid update ?
I’m gonna do that soon Talking performance throttle bodies 😎
@@vikenlink hey vic what fuel system are you running my engine is done thanks for the advice on cams ect ect !
finalizing the fuel system now then put it all back together
@@lukealcock5873 hello.. thanks for the question... I’m using a summit racing in tank fuel pump capable of producing 120LB fuel pressure. I modified my original fuel tank and installed the pump accordingly. I used 3/8 copper nickel fuel line , AN8 feed AN6 return fittings with SS reinforced braided flex lines for feed and return going from the tank to the Holley sniper fuel rails and back to the tank via a Holley fuel pressure regulator. I set the pressure at 60LB. I’m running Bosch 60LB 630cc EV6 12 ohm high impedance fuel injectors. The 60LB injectors support up to 825 HP if needed. The complete system including ignition is controlled by the Holley Terminator X max controller. I hope I didn’t leave anything out LOL.
@@lukealcock5873 what cam did you end up choosing, what’s the specs?
@@vikenlink basically the same as yours
NA ?
Yes NA
@@vikenlink i’m building one now
can you tell me what crank rods pistons and cam you used
regards
luke
@@lukealcock6711 hi Luke.... this is the rotating assembly I used .. great quality kit, top notch pistons, rods and crankshaft! www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-r58400706 t
@@lukealcock6711 oh ya the cam ... If you want a beast that idles properly and has tons of low end torque with crazy top end HP ... go with the BTR stage 2 NA LS3 cam. Or something with similar specs. Intake @50 is 225 degrees, exhaust @50 238 degrees with a LSA of 113. Lift is at .620 intake and .605 exhaust, Some experts recommend less LSA like 110 but you’re gonna end up with a ruff idle. I also have a 3000 rpm stall converter hooked up to a 4L70E transmission.
Good luck with your build. You’re gonna love the brute power and torque. Don’t be fooled by cam manufacturers stage ratings. The BTR stage 2 cam specs are similar to cam motions stage 4 cam. The most important specs to look for in a camshaft is intake and exhaust duration ... I recommend keeping intake duration under 230 degrees and exhaust duration under 240 degrees. Lobe separation angle should be 112- 115 to keep good vacuum. Lift is the least important but is directly related to the cylinder heads you’re going to use. I have stock LS3 rectangle port heads that I had milled down to 68cc volume from the stock 70cc. This will give you approximately 11.3 to 1 compression with 6 cc dished pistons that come with the summit pro LS stroker kit.