Adding some context: Zodra is someone I play games with a lot so can tell you for certain - He is not really motivated to play ranked now that he hit Master with Ornn supp and we made the video. He loves the champ and playstyle but is on full autopilot chill mode now, even spending more time doing stuff IRL surprisingly. Glad he spent the time getting back to master FOR US - I dont think he even would have kept playing after durability patch if it were not for us wanting to make this video, so it's not a negative to me that he has stopped, im glad he finally gets a break. ALSO - Not everything has to last forever, its fine to be at your peak and then take time off to chill. Zodra does not need to be #1 Ornn support on leaderboard for the next 100 years to prove he is good. People care too much about that kind of thing when it is unrealistic for every part of life, everything passes. Thanks everyone and Thanks Zodra!
Durability patch was not well executed at all, most of my champions got butchered by it, and overall made most mages feel like garbo (beside viktor... viktor always fine.)
@@NyppaahClips Veigar got really good too, because of his scaling and general safety in lane. He's so much harder to dive now, which was always his weakness.
@@NyppaahClips That kind of patch should have been in a preseason, only god knows why riot thought it would be a good idea to do it in the middle of the season.
Love your videos happy been trying some of these crazy builds been trying my own special actually panth support / jg ( bodrk ,manamune , wit end and black cleaver last item is always optional, boots aswell ) sadly im not otp of panth but hey been chilling for a while and got gm ,master and challanger fun tho (LAN server) Gonzaloo , Gonzálo and Gonzal0
@@juliantrasak7230 I honestly don't mind riot doing huge patches like that and shaking everything up besides just in preseason. helps the game being fresh.
Support players are getting so creative now lmao. I swear in 2030 I am going to be able to search "how a [league champ name] support got to masters" and have a happy chime video on it XD
I love soraka and healing, so I was so happy when moonstone came out. I had to try it on every champion. I really loved burn lillia with moonstone haha
I feel like Ornn is quite underrated these days. I think it's because we got used to a meta where games ended REALLY quickly and thus you couldn't make use of his masterwork mechanic, but with things slowing down a bit he feels much better. He's always been a decent support champion, as long as you are paired with an ADC that likely to play aggressively. He plays quite a bit like Leona in that regard.
Orn sp with Senna adc (cc from far away which set Orn Q and E easier to land, Senna give heal and shield from her kits which benefit moonstone which is Orn mythic). Pair this with a Kayle top and vola, we have 2 monster range adc late game with Orn upgrade worth of 1k gold each time he does, on top of that we can have Hecarim (or Nunu for early gank) as jgl so he can camp gank top side so Kayle will scale further into late game lmao. For mid we can have an ap assassin like Leblanc or Fizz (as the main source of ap so enemy team cant counter it without buying resist items which only 1 champ does ap).
@@kyquocthangle4501 Kayle is still so hard to play in this meta, though. Her scaling comes online so late that it's common for games to be decided before she can make a big impact. This isn't to say that playing Kayle with Ornn is a bad choice (just the opposite, in fact), but a lot of solo queue teams just don't know how to play around her properly. She's very hard to carry games with, as a result. Ornn still works great with one of the four horsewomen of top (Riven, Camille, Fiona, Irelia), all of which are generally safer picks.
its funny to remember that he used to be the top of the meta as a DAMAGE CARRY tank when he was released due to his ridiculous amount of damage paired with his perma cc
@@slavchems4759 his dmg isnt crazy, just that his brittle scale with %hp like Lilia passive so you think that it is crazy, he is kinda like Darius where every ability apply passive stack but Orn has 2 brittle abilities, E and ult to cc (his brittle is another minor cc displacement, bring up to a total of 4 hard cc in his kit and a slow Q)
@@kyquocthangle4501 his damage is normal now, but back when he was released he do 1000 magic damage with a full combo, not counting his max health damage, its literally enough to oneshot a squishy
Nilah Ornn seems like one of those high synergy combinations because it can allow the Ornn to spend more time roaming because Nilah’s passive can compensate for when he is out of lane, but it might be rough since neither champs are ranged. It still seems fun
The more you roam the worse Nilah is, and ornn doesnt have early healing or shield so its even worse, only good thing is making ornn reach masterwork levels faster
Damn I love this one really, its very off meta and thought thru which most off meta picks arent and optimizes in every way possible. Great stuff for taking that time to figure these things out by that Ornn Main!
radiant virtue really makes this shine, I saw that he builds that occasionally. It's great on many tankier top laners being played in the support role. Very fun build.
Actually I have figured this one out, if you stand in the cubby area closest to that bush hover your ward over the bush bringing your cursor closer to you until your cursor stops being green and you should be able to get the ward every time
With a pixel perfect standing location + Ward click(outside the ward circle) it does work. Very hard to do quickly I think unlike ornn W into wall - which anyone can do imo. Also most important - the normal ward goes in a terrible spot in the bottom of the bush - ornns ward goes in a really useful spot in the middle/top so it spots that chokepoint too.
you can also do this with trundle pillar which arguably splits the wave even MORE cause of the size causing minions to have to go around the entire tower potentially putting a melee minion behind the casters,
@@Baba_Lemonade that doesn't really matter since this is only being done to the first spawned minion wave to gain a lvl 2 advantage because of the ghosting they get
It's funny cuz this is what they do in Dota, you body block the melee minions so the ranged minions go in front meaning they die faster and the wave is pushed towards you
@@alex2005z you can't really poke with trundle anyway, he's pretty much an all in champ like amumu and if you have a guaranteed lvl advantage your gonna lvl pillar second anyway for the hard engage to blow all sums or kill them. Typically you wanna save your health until lvl 2/3 when your able to full combo with melee sups so even if you start q you probably won't be able to use it anyway
The minion trick seems cool, if your jungler doesn't immediatly switch into ff15-mode because you didnt help them at red-buff so their clear is 4m15s instead of 4m11s. Sounds fun though I will definitly try it out :)
I played this 3 times with my friend in ranked and I have the best time ever playing supp . i never died and his r is so satisfying . great video and thx to zodra for creating it
Ornn main here, eyes wide open edit: WHAT?! HE'S HIGHER ON THE LEADERBOARD THAN MAKKRO? (edit no.2: Wait i just checked he's demoted diamond and is rank 1408 ornn in the world. Chime must've used old footage) edit no.3: learned lots of cool tricks for ornn supp, even some tricks even makkro didn't cover. Never saw him talking about using the W for warding that dragon bush at redbuff, but he did show W into hexportal. Also first time I've heard about Glacial Augment slow scaling off of heal+shield power.
@@emred4653 against champs without blinks/dashes, hitting q guarantees knockup even against high movement speed champions like lillia so its very reliable.
9:20 managed to put this ward for quite some seasons without the need spell clips. but a nother fact, you may sometime fail to position right in the pit if you are in a hurry and don't play ornn.
Another great video! There were a surprising number of little tips/tricks with this pick. Minion manipulation, Upgrade resetting item cooldowns (clip at 11:45 was INCREDIBLE), the Orrn ult slow bug and the Vigilant Wardstone ... bug? Honestly cool tips/tricks like those are like little hits of Dopamine. Can't remember if I mentioned it before but I really appreciate the use of the TH-cam Chapters. No other content creator goes nearly as hard.
Edit: For more info about the weird interactions: Vigilant Wardstone The upgraded form of Wardstone has a unique passive: "Unique - Blessing of Ixtal: Increases bonus attack damage, bonus HEALTH, ability power and ability haste by 12%." Ornn's passive also gives 10%-30% bonus Health. After an hour of math and Practice tool, the tl;dr is that Ornn gets compound interest on his bonus HP with the super Wardstone (he gets MORE than (+10-30% Bonus Health) + (+12% bonus health). Here's some math from messing around in practice tool: Watchful Wardstone gives +150HP which becomes +165HP +150 bonus health + 10% (15hp) = +165 health. Vigilant Wardstone gives +150HP+12% HP : +150 bonus Health + +10% (15hp) + 12% (18hp) = 183HP However on Ornn you actually get +185HP. The tooltip for Ornn's passive is the right number (15) but Vigilant Wardstone's tooltip indicates it grants +20HP (not +18 like the math says it should). It turns out, it's a simple 'order of operations' thing: the game calculates the bonus HP from Ornn's passive FIRST, then adds the +12% from Wardstone on top of that. So instead of (additive): (Bonus HP) + (Ornn Passive) + (Wardstone Passive) +150HP + 10% (65HP) + 12% (18HP) (150) + (15) + (18) = 183 Bonus Health You actually get: (Bonus HP AND Ornn Passive) + (Wardstone Passive) +150HP + 10% (65HP) = 165 165 + (165*0.12) = 184.8 (rounded up to 185) Let's Double check our math with Warmogs + Wardstone. Additive: +800 Bonus Health + 150 Bonus Health = +950 Bonus Health +950HP + 10% (95HP) + 12% (114HP) = 1159HP However Warmogs actually grants 1170 bonus health! Again, Ornn's passive tooltip is the right number (95) but Vigilant Wardstone's tooltip is +125HP (not +114) You actually get: +800 Bonus Health + 150 bonus health = +950 health +950 + 10% (95) = 1045 (1045) + (1045*0.12) = 1170.4 Which we see in game.
@@evanswindells5519 Wow thanks for the math! I guess that Ornn passive is still calculated before even at bigger levels (more mythic upgraded) What about the interaction of a full hp build with the solar Cape?
you can do the same first minion wave trick by auto attacking a caster minion to get aggro and either running away or going into a bush, this moves the wave in a way that makes the enemy wave focus one melee minion resulting in the same outcome.
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
Awesome vid HappyChimeNoises! So cool seeing the Zodra vid! I remember seeing Zodra on a RossBoomsocks video and seeing you in the comment section saying a Zodra vid was in the works!
as someone who's been trying ornn out alot lately this idea is extremely amusing and intriguing to me. thanks for the vid. im defo gonna try this out tonight. plus the video was informative with alot of footage. keep now im going to subscribe and watch your content till I run out
Just hit masters for the first time in EUW! Using Karthus support! Now ranking #4 in EUW and #16 world on karthus, as a support. Next support player is placed at place 230+! Love playing off meta!
Ornn really is over powered at the moment. There is basically only two tanks in the game sion and ornn, and it is just because both of them just get so much free stats.
It looks really strong. Think if LS or some pro support who likes to experiment we may see it in proleagues, maybe even Worlds, but I wouldn't count on it
it definitly wont get picked, LS would most likely actually be really against it. In proplay supports almost never make it past level 12, so his passive is completly worthless, so not only would it take someone going completely off meta its also way worse for proplay than soloq
I have seen very strange player in euw high diamond who plays singed support with jungle item and smite. He goes to the enemy jg and starts steal camps easily quz of his poison and jg item. It's so unusual .. unfortunately I can't remember his nickname :(
Bro I always been a fan of ur content, I have said some things I regret and you replied to it. So yea man keep it up and never listen to anyone cuz u know what’s right
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
Sorry to tell you, but that wall clip to ward deeper into that bush over dragon wall is doable WITHOUT wall clipping. I do it literally every game at the start.
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
@@KattoCraft I don't buy a flask but rush Bami and Warmog for infinite sustain and tons of durabitity. Clear is great, ganking before 6 is decent (QWE combo or just stun with E if possible). Ganking after 6 is wicked. The only disadvantage is that he can't quickly solo kill drakes.
Not sure if it's been patched by now but, while very smart and impressive, that strat with the minion is genuinely way too OP. It breaks laning, and if it hasn't been patched in the 6 months since this video, it absolutely should be.
Game breaking is bit far for a power spike that exactly 1 champion has both the kit to create and capitalise on. You have a semi reliable engage power spike for the length of time that it takes for 1 more of your minions to die. It's notable that vs hook champions, where ornn takes W second, this engage would be far less potent. Certain carries in the bot lane do not want to engage at level 2, particularly ap carries. And if the enemy aggressively lane clears to push level 2 themselves, the opportunity window drastically shrinks. Frankly a bad flash or a missed ability could be far more influential on a game than this.
One of the best videos i have seen in a while! definitely subscribed! Can't get the hang of the level 1 cheese though the second melee always just walks through it while the third does walk around, does Zodra have a indept video on this by any chance?
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision. Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
I hope I can get here someday playing Vex supp. I doubt it, but I will try my best We gotta give some representation to Vex (not even a main Vex yet, not even m4, but the goal is play mostly Vex support)
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Adding some context:
Zodra is someone I play games with a lot so can tell you for certain - He is not really motivated to play ranked now that he hit Master with Ornn supp and we made the video.
He loves the champ and playstyle but is on full autopilot chill mode now, even spending more time doing stuff IRL surprisingly.
Glad he spent the time getting back to master FOR US - I dont think he even would have kept playing after durability patch if it were not for us wanting to make this video, so it's not a negative to me that he has stopped, im glad he finally gets a break.
ALSO - Not everything has to last forever, its fine to be at your peak and then take time off to chill. Zodra does not need to be #1 Ornn support on leaderboard for the next 100 years to prove he is good. People care too much about that kind of thing when it is unrealistic for every part of life, everything passes.
Thanks everyone and Thanks Zodra!
Durability patch was not well executed at all, most of my champions got butchered by it, and overall made most mages feel like garbo (beside viktor... viktor always fine.)
@@NyppaahClips Veigar got really good too, because of his scaling and general safety in lane. He's so much harder to dive now, which was always his weakness.
@@NyppaahClips That kind of patch should have been in a preseason, only god knows why riot thought it would be a good idea to do it in the middle of the season.
Love your videos happy been trying some of these crazy builds been trying my own special actually panth support / jg ( bodrk ,manamune , wit end and black cleaver last item is always optional, boots aswell ) sadly im not otp of panth but hey been chilling for a while and got gm ,master and challanger fun tho (LAN server) Gonzaloo , Gonzálo and Gonzal0
@@juliantrasak7230 I honestly don't mind riot doing huge patches like that and shaking everything up besides just in preseason. helps the game being fresh.
This Ornn playstyle is the most intelligent and creative strategy I have seen in a very long time. Kudos to this guy. Thanks for sharing!
tyty :)
Support players are getting so creative now lmao. I swear in 2030 I am going to be able to search "how a [league champ name] support got to masters" and have a happy chime video on it XD
I love soraka and healing, so I was so happy when moonstone came out. I had to try it on every champion. I really loved burn lillia with moonstone haha
Hopefully Leona top for me can do it
theres literally lucian and talon support like 💀💀💀💀
Is like a rule 34 but for supports xD
@@CharlieCabralos monster.
I feel like Ornn is quite underrated these days. I think it's because we got used to a meta where games ended REALLY quickly and thus you couldn't make use of his masterwork mechanic, but with things slowing down a bit he feels much better.
He's always been a decent support champion, as long as you are paired with an ADC that likely to play aggressively. He plays quite a bit like Leona in that regard.
Orn sp with Senna adc (cc from far away which set Orn Q and E easier to land, Senna give heal and shield from her kits which benefit moonstone which is Orn mythic). Pair this with a Kayle top and vola, we have 2 monster range adc late game with Orn upgrade worth of 1k gold each time he does, on top of that we can have Hecarim (or Nunu for early gank) as jgl so he can camp gank top side so Kayle will scale further into late game lmao. For mid we can have an ap assassin like Leblanc or Fizz (as the main source of ap so enemy team cant counter it without buying resist items which only 1 champ does ap).
@@kyquocthangle4501 Kayle is still so hard to play in this meta, though. Her scaling comes online so late that it's common for games to be decided before she can make a big impact. This isn't to say that playing Kayle with Ornn is a bad choice (just the opposite, in fact), but a lot of solo queue teams just don't know how to play around her properly. She's very hard to carry games with, as a result.
Ornn still works great with one of the four horsewomen of top (Riven, Camille, Fiona, Irelia), all of which are generally safer picks.
its funny to remember that he used to be the top of the meta as a DAMAGE CARRY tank when he was released due to his ridiculous amount of damage paired with his perma cc
@@slavchems4759 his dmg isnt crazy, just that his brittle scale with %hp like Lilia passive so you think that it is crazy, he is kinda like Darius where every ability apply passive stack but Orn has 2 brittle abilities, E and ult to cc (his brittle is another minor cc displacement, bring up to a total of 4 hard cc in his kit and a slow Q)
@@kyquocthangle4501 his damage is normal now, but back when he was released he do 1000 magic damage with a full combo, not counting his max health damage, its literally enough to oneshot a squishy
*Yuumi Jungle: I am waiting Chime.*
I thought he was a heal support because he build something like moonstone, but its just usual redemption lol.
Nilah Ornn seems like one of those high synergy combinations because it can allow the Ornn to spend more time roaming because Nilah’s passive can compensate for when he is out of lane, but it might be rough since neither champs are ranged. It still seems fun
The more you roam the worse Nilah is, and ornn doesnt have early healing or shield so its even worse, only good thing is making ornn reach masterwork levels faster
Damn I love this one really, its very off meta and thought thru which most off meta picks arent and optimizes in every way possible. Great stuff for taking that time to figure these things out by that Ornn Main!
:) glad you liked it
"Everybody knows it takes 9 minions to get level 2" haha yeah I totally knew that for sure. *furiously taking notes*
radiant virtue really makes this shine, I saw that he builds that occasionally. It's great on many tankier top laners being played in the support role. Very fun build.
Poppy support must be a thing.
Pair it with a anivia
Maybe against Samira, Nilah or engage supports
I use to play poppy support and it was pretty good
@@Walk1ngSk3ll3t0n disgusting
will do sir
Holy fck,that minion trick is some next level shit..wp,mad respect
You can actually get that ward over the dragon pit normally, its just a bit difficult
Actually I have figured this one out, if you stand in the cubby area closest to that bush hover your ward over the bush bringing your cursor closer to you until your cursor stops being green and you should be able to get the ward every time
@@drifftedsneeze2426 is it possible that you can make a picture to show where to stand? I can't seem to get it ^^;
With a pixel perfect standing location + Ward click(outside the ward circle) it does work. Very hard to do quickly I think unlike ornn W into wall - which anyone can do imo.
Also most important - the normal ward goes in a terrible spot in the bottom of the bush - ornns ward goes in a really useful spot in the middle/top so it spots that chokepoint too.
@@HappyChimeNoises Oh yeah good point I normally just get one at the beggining of the game
@@Ice135Cold You stand exactly where the Ornn stood in the video but try and get as close to the wall as you can
I love seeing how versatile support is as a role people hitting masters playing hyper carries or super tanks its so neat
you can also do this with trundle pillar which arguably splits the wave even MORE cause of the size causing minions to have to go around the entire tower potentially putting a melee minion behind the casters,
Yeah, but it has a longer cooldown and costs a ton of mana. And Trundle usually goes the minion share support item which gives no mana regen.
@@Baba_Lemonade that doesn't really matter since this is only being done to the first spawned minion wave to gain a lvl 2 advantage because of the ghosting they get
It's funny cuz this is what they do in Dota, you body block the melee minions so the ranged minions go in front meaning they die faster and the wave is pushed towards you
You also end up taking the wrong first ability. Orn q is his poke tool, but trundle usually takes q firsf
@@alex2005z you can't really poke with trundle anyway, he's pretty much an all in champ like amumu and if you have a guaranteed lvl advantage your gonna lvl pillar second anyway for the hard engage to blow all sums or kill them. Typically you wanna save your health until lvl 2/3 when your able to full combo with melee sups so even if you start q you probably won't be able to use it anyway
The minion trick seems cool, if your jungler doesn't immediatly switch into ff15-mode because you didnt help them at red-buff so their clear is 4m15s instead of 4m11s.
Sounds fun though I will definitly try it out :)
4 minute clear? id ff anyway
i think you meant to say 3m15s 😅
@@TAHTAWYu64 no in my elo you have to factor in the junglers death timer after they died to raptors :D
@@just_randomly omega lul
I played this 3 times with my friend in ranked and I have the best time ever playing supp . i never died and his r is so satisfying . great video and thx to zodra for creating it
Glad to hear :D
@@MrZodra bro which adc should my friend play with when im ornn supp?
@@VipasMine something with cc. Jhin, Ashe, Jinx, Cait does wonders.
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I’ve heard of tank ornn support, but never have I ever considered to build moonstone on the ram
Ornn main here, eyes wide open
edit: WHAT?! HE'S HIGHER ON THE LEADERBOARD THAN MAKKRO? (edit no.2: Wait i just checked he's demoted diamond and is rank 1408 ornn in the world. Chime must've used old footage)
edit no.3: learned lots of cool tricks for ornn supp, even some tricks even makkro didn't cover. Never saw him talking about using the W for warding that dragon bush at redbuff, but he did show W into hexportal. Also first time I've heard about Glacial Augment slow scaling off of heal+shield power.
same and i’ve gotta try this
I cannot find him in any leaderboard...
How reliable is his stun combo compared to other tank supports?
@@emred4653 It's dependable, so long as you have terrain around you, and your ult.
@@emred4653 against champs without blinks/dashes, hitting q guarantees knockup even against high movement speed champions like lillia so its very reliable.
By the amount of kit at his disposal, I'm surprised Ornn is not a meta support.
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Ornn sup kinda makes sense. İts essentially slower alistar
Scale spike at 13, survive just as good as Leona Alista, better R, better dmg. Con: slower combo
As an normal Ornn enjoyer, i will try this out it seems very fun
i just read HEALER ORNN, i am satisfied enough to watch this video
me too
I swear you just get a random League of Legends word generator and use that to start finding people who fit the play style
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@@HappyChimeNoises Thank you ChimeNoises you're awesome!
1:02 as a Bard main, I feel called out
Ghost poro is def underrated you dont get that much less than eyeball when stacked and the vision is amazing, I take it when I play brand supp
Thanks to Zodra! I hope he is doing good and I wish him all the best in his life! GG! 😎👍
9:20 managed to put this ward for quite some seasons without the need spell clips. but a nother fact, you may sometime fail to position right in the pit if you are in a hurry and don't play ornn.
Another great video!
There were a surprising number of little tips/tricks with this pick.
Minion manipulation, Upgrade resetting item cooldowns (clip at 11:45 was INCREDIBLE), the Orrn ult slow bug and the Vigilant Wardstone ... bug?
Honestly cool tips/tricks like those are like little hits of Dopamine.
Can't remember if I mentioned it before but I really appreciate the use of the TH-cam Chapters. No other content creator goes nearly as hard.
Edit: For more info about the weird interactions:
Vigilant Wardstone
The upgraded form of Wardstone has a unique passive:
"Unique - Blessing of Ixtal: Increases bonus attack damage, bonus HEALTH, ability power and ability haste by 12%."
Ornn's passive also gives 10%-30% bonus Health.
After an hour of math and Practice tool, the tl;dr is that Ornn gets compound interest on his bonus HP with the super Wardstone (he gets MORE than (+10-30% Bonus Health) + (+12% bonus health).
Here's some math from messing around in practice tool:
Watchful Wardstone gives +150HP which becomes +165HP
+150 bonus health + 10% (15hp)
= +165 health.
Vigilant Wardstone gives +150HP+12% HP :
+150 bonus Health + +10% (15hp) + 12% (18hp)
= 183HP
However on Ornn you actually get +185HP.
The tooltip for Ornn's passive is the right number (15) but Vigilant Wardstone's tooltip indicates it grants +20HP (not +18 like the math says it should).
It turns out, it's a simple 'order of operations' thing: the game calculates the bonus HP from Ornn's passive FIRST, then adds the +12% from Wardstone on top of that.
So instead of (additive):
(Bonus HP) + (Ornn Passive) + (Wardstone Passive)
+150HP + 10% (65HP) + 12% (18HP)
(150) + (15) + (18)
= 183 Bonus Health
You actually get:
(Bonus HP AND Ornn Passive) + (Wardstone Passive)
+150HP + 10% (65HP)
= 165
165 + (165*0.12)
= 184.8 (rounded up to 185)
Let's Double check our math with Warmogs + Wardstone.
Additive:
+800 Bonus Health + 150 Bonus Health = +950 Bonus Health
+950HP + 10% (95HP) + 12% (114HP)
= 1159HP
However Warmogs actually grants 1170 bonus health!
Again, Ornn's passive tooltip is the right number (95) but Vigilant Wardstone's tooltip is +125HP (not +114)
You actually get:
+800 Bonus Health + 150 bonus health = +950 health
+950 + 10% (95) = 1045
(1045) + (1045*0.12)
= 1170.4
Which we see in game.
Just checked it on Anivia:
Just Vigilant Wardstone grants +18hp
Warmogs + Vigilant Wardstone grants +114HP.
I highly value this comment, good job :)
@@evanswindells5519
Wow thanks for the math! I guess that Ornn passive is still calculated before even at bigger levels (more mythic upgraded)
What about the interaction of a full hp build with the solar Cape?
you can do the same first minion wave trick by auto attacking a caster minion to get aggro and either running away or going into a bush, this moves the wave in a way that makes the enemy wave focus one melee minion resulting in the same outcome.
True but much more risky as enemies can bush camp
Finally, one of the champs that i love the most on the role I main, I AM READYYYY
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Putting some respect on the Ornn name, great work and great vid :))
I refuse to believe that you are the man, the myth, legend HelpfulLarry
Fancy seeing u here Larrold
I do this on Trundle support too, its even better since his w increases healing by 25% so redemption is even moire effective
it only give him more healing though, no one else is effected by it
Wow didnt knew his w did that. Learning something new everyday...
8:00 and then you play against Samira and cry when she eats your ult
9:24 Polypuff viewers: Look what they need to do for a fraction of our power
As a Thresh main, Ornn is very close in satisfaction with 4~ satisfying skillshots
The Ornn minion trick feels illegal. Incredibly innovative and amazing!!! very inspiring
2:56 SanSiroBro, our beloved Anivia Main EUW Challenger is in the video !!
this channel is where I get my off meta picks from
8:40 he even surprised kaisa. Good on her for the kick reaction tho
what's a kick reaction
The dragon pit ward is actually able to be done on any champion and is a must for support players
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
gonna go beg my supp main friend to play this now wish me luck
Haven't played league for 2 years, but your videos are giving me ideas of what to do if I ever come back. Off-meta all the way baby!
That ward done at 9:20 can be done by literally any champion. I do it almost every single game I play jungle.
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
That early wave management is insaaaaaaaaaane. never knew that
Awesome vid HappyChimeNoises! So cool seeing the Zodra vid! I remember seeing Zodra on a RossBoomsocks video and seeing you in the comment section saying a Zodra vid was in the works!
support ornn is amazing playing it since release
as someone who's been trying ornn out alot lately this idea is extremely amusing and intriguing to me. thanks for the vid. im defo gonna try this out tonight. plus the video was informative with alot of footage. keep now im going to subscribe and watch your content till I run out
Very kind, thank you :)
That level 1 minion trick could even be useful for lanes besides botlane.
Don't think so unfortunately, unless top lane leashes. Even this doesn't work against bot lanes who go straight to their lane instead of leashing jg.
Just hit masters for the first time in EUW! Using Karthus support! Now ranking #4 in EUW and #16 world on karthus, as a support. Next support player is placed at place 230+! Love playing off meta!
Ornn really is over powered at the moment.
There is basically only two tanks in the game sion and ornn, and it is just because both of them just get so much free stats.
Chogath watching the scene smiling in the Dark.
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Cho is dogshit from my experience but could just be me. Lategame he’s a monster but you’ll never be able to reach late against non-bots.
Sejuani and Rammus are both doing well at the moment.
you should make a video about Javier Pena I met him in a master game he plays ad neeko top and playes really agressive split push style
That's our Zodra, lessgoo!
It looks really strong. Think if LS or some pro support who likes to experiment we may see it in proleagues, maybe even Worlds, but I wouldn't count on it
it definitly wont get picked, LS would most likely actually be really against it. In proplay supports almost never make it past level 12, so his passive is completly worthless, so not only would it take someone going completely off meta its also way worse for proplay than soloq
By the way happy chime noises explains stuff, he can convince everyone that full ap Garen is a solid pick
Buys one redemption and goes normal tank.
HappyChimeNoises: **IT'S A HEALER!!!**
i actually played with this guy a month ago, super friendly guy but idk if the pick is really that good :D
5:18 okai, that's crazy
I have seen very strange player in euw high diamond who plays singed support with jungle item and smite. He goes to the enemy jg and starts steal camps easily quz of his poison and jg item. It's so unusual .. unfortunately I can't remember his nickname :(
Bro I always been a fan of ur content, I have said some things I regret and you replied to it. So yea man keep it up and never listen to anyone cuz u know what’s right
the ward at 9:25 is possible normally anyway, not an ornn exclusive
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
8:22 is such a nasty combo wtf.
Good vid.
what next? assasin soraka?
Sorry to tell you, but that wall clip to ward deeper into that bush over dragon wall is doable WITHOUT wall clipping. I do it literally every game at the start.
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
Love ornn, still a newbie to him, thx u chime, now i will bring this verson to rank and try it out :)
LOVE YOU CHIMES!
I'm gonna have to try this one
Love playing Ornn in jungle - also a good off-meta pick
As a Ornn main, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? The only way I can play him jgl is to rush the ad mythic that slows around you
@@KattoCraft I don't buy a flask but rush Bami and Warmog for infinite sustain and tons of durabitity. Clear is great, ganking before 6 is decent (QWE combo or just stun with E if possible). Ganking after 6 is wicked. The only disadvantage is that he can't quickly solo kill drakes.
My beloved secret op Ornn, always shining when nobody spects it❤️😭
"orn healer" literally change a single item, which is not the healing mything, to redemption, and having that single heal.
The problem is that supports never make it to high levels b4 the game is over so the passive never gets to shine as often as in a solo lane sadly.
@@fastcow7013 that 25 ad does matter tho
@@fastcow7013 you underestimate how much stats these items give to 5 players lol
@@fastcow7013 orn also gains bonus tank stats too. I mean it a ton of gold value lol what are you even saying
I didn't realize Anathema's worked with knockups
i wonder how he must feel now about the ornn buff
Innovative stuff bravo !
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great video man keep it up
Not sure if it's been patched by now but, while very smart and impressive, that strat with the minion is genuinely way too OP. It breaks laning, and if it hasn't been patched in the 6 months since this video, it absolutely should be.
Not patched yet
Game breaking is bit far for a power spike that exactly 1 champion has both the kit to create and capitalise on.
You have a semi reliable engage power spike for the length of time that it takes for 1 more of your minions to die.
It's notable that vs hook champions, where ornn takes W second, this engage would be far less potent.
Certain carries in the bot lane do not want to engage at level 2, particularly ap carries.
And if the enemy aggressively lane clears to push level 2 themselves, the opportunity window drastically shrinks.
Frankly a bad flash or a missed ability could be far more influential on a game than this.
feels like you can legit play anything to master tier nowadays
Cause you really can if you dedicate some time to it and are good enough.
Or maybe we didn't know we could climb with literally anything
Is this the same guy who played with RossBoomSocks?
Ya
I hit grandmaster this season playing vex support. Im sad to not see her on your list :(
Account name?
@@HappyChimeNoises Pentius - I havent played it much after the durability patch. kinda ruined vex :(
Man I love these videos
One of the best videos i have seen in a while! definitely subscribed!
Can't get the hang of the level 1 cheese though the second melee always just walks through it while the third does walk around, does Zodra have a indept video on this by any chance?
He is in our discord and I'm sure he would be happy to help if you @ him! Very kind guy
@@HappyChimeNoises Oh nice ill send him a message thanks! :))
some people are just thinking out of this world good video
This made me like LoL once again:)
2:05 Nice friends, this is exactly why i enjoy league half as much as i realistically would, because everyone is so incredibly toxic for no reason.
@ 9:19 you can do this normally, it just takes some practice.
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
LS' spirit animal
Cameleonic Little Genius
If he whould take ghost his whole combo whould be undodgeabile
11:00 Airborne isnt affected by Tenacity. Is like saying a tank flies better because of specially designed yellow tracks.
Ornn E stuns as well as airborne so yes it is affected :)
Same for R
Lol that lane ambulation is so dark
i wonder if this would be applicable to bard, although you'd have to be good at landing his Qs, the upside is u have stronger heals.
ITS FINALLY HERE
Zodra on top!!!
The dragon pit bush ward workes with any champion I think
You can but it ends up on the very edge of the bottom of the bush, so its much worse than ornn's which goes to top of bush + sees choke point. So its honestly BAD to ward on a normal supp as it can bait you in to a bad fight without proper vision.
Bad vision is worse than 0 vision
I hope I can get here someday playing Vex supp. I doubt it, but I will try my best
We gotta give some representation to Vex (not even a main Vex yet, not even m4, but the goal is play mostly Vex support)