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might actually be more successful in some situations, naut only slightly pulls the target and pulls him self very far. if mel reflects it, she is pulled way more out of position than before. its actually bad for mel to do this unless she is protecting someone else.
its less impressive when you realise they didn't program every ability into her and more had an array of actors called projectile that she reflects back with less math and it dupes the code of the character being copied. i could make this in unreal in a day xD
@@dustjackal8584 Except it uses her modifier and all of her item effects, and sometimes it uses the enemies passive and sometimes it doesn't. It really isn't that clean.
Imagine having an ability that slows yourself and your entire kit spins around one ability and then an (I asume) overloaded champion uno reverses your entire kit with one ability that isn't even an ultimate
jokes aside the skill have 30 secs cooldown on lvl 1 vs blitz W which have 10 secs cooldown. I mean blitz can use it up to three times plus Mel is a mage which is super squishy unlike blitzcrank that have passive
Hey @HextechLab, can Mel's W reflect multiple skills at the same time like Riot showed in the trailer? I wonder what skill would took effect first, like Nautilus's Q and Amumu's Q at the same time
Hey, I'd like to see turrets how'd they do , especially shaco W (boxes) if shaco is far far away, would that proc Horizon (if either shaco or mel has it)?
The vanishing Draven ult is "normal" in my opinion, it reflects off the "back" of Mel, back to Draven, and Mel catches it as if it was the end of its trajectory
@@lavandalavada4228 but then why show it on the official youtube video? Maybe they forgot to cut it out after changing it but it seems like a big difference to me whether she can execute urgot
BIG LIST OF LTHER QUESTIONS! Don't know all the keys/names for the abilities, but what happens with: Ashe hawk Zac catapult (he is a projectile!) Heimerdinger turret shots (to the turret or heimer?) Pix (lulu passive) Aurelion Sol comet! Brand R (bounce count? Range of enemies?) Ekko w (shield and stun) Galio Q and R (he is a projectile like Zac!) GP ult Jayce Q and gate interactions? Gate is not reflected, is it used? Kalista R - throw the champ back? MF bouncing bullet - pre and post bounce? Singed W Syndra W and E Vlad Q - nothing is actually projected, just extracted... Xayah recalling her feathers from behind Mel Ziggs R Zyra plants - does Mel consume the seeds if she reflects the root?
okay, it’s actually really impressive how they were able to code this ability. it not only works and interract with all other champ abilities, but also gets that golden particle effect for all of them. must have been genuinely hard to make this ability.
theories spiral that mel is (one of many) black rose's secret weapons against morderkaiser 5:47 mel cannot block a single spell from morder. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I heard that in the next season of Arcane they'll have 2 Mels strapped in a factory just bouncing projectiles back and forth to generate infinite power for Noxian world domination
Jhin W is a funny one. As a spell it's just large AOE, not a projectile, however it looks like projectile. They specifically coded to be blocked by windwall, and every time new spell that interacts with projectiles is released, Riot forgets to update Jhin W. As a baseline, the spell is like lux R.
I think an interesting experiment would be to see if tahm's Q+R can work on himself if hes already pre-stacked by ally tahm So enemy tahm with 3 stacks, enemy tahm Q+R's Mel, and Mel reflects that back
An interaction you didn't show that I thought was interesting was that when Mel reflects Olaf's axe, neither one of them can pick it up afterwards. Honestly feels kind of bad on the Olaf side, the axe gets reflected really far away and you can't even pick it up to reset the cooldown.
The most broken part is the fact that it always reflects on the caster and not just reflects like a mirror would depending on the direction. A skill shot that hit her turns into a aimbot guided missile is just stupid without counter. It's a no-brainer abbility that can't be pubished or played around
Ive heard that the design and balance team literally do not communicate. This I think proves it. The reflect is so cool and creates so many interesting outcomes buuut its broken as fuck and extremely tilting. I would not be surprised if this was the highest ban rate champ on release, although theres so much broken shit these days its hard to decide.
noticed you missed a possible weird interaction between mel and shen. Little known fact, but shen's sword counts as a projectile when he recals it by using Q, so it can be stopped by yasuo windwall; but, it'd be interesting to see how that would work with mel, if she simply blocks it like windwall, gains the empowered auto's of his q, or even if it sends the sword backwards.
It's probally not coded as a projectile. It just visually look like one. Jhin's W is the same case. It's an instant ability but it look like a projectile.
Honestly, half of these interactions (especially those with hook champions) seem pretty well thought out, and I feel the way you can play against Mel is just counterpicking her with champions that do exactly that - Orianna, Blitzcrank, Sylas (although he shits on mages in general), even Nautilus.
I have a few questions : 1. how do velkoz Q2 and e work? 2. the Triumph rune's bonus gold is a projectile and in some cases can fail to reach its target. Can mel reflect it? 3. why did they show mel executing urgot in the gameplay trailer? 4. Does braum Q apply his passive? 5. Sejuani E active is a projectile. Does it get reflected? 6. Does mundo Q Heal her? 7. Smolder R? 8. Does nunu E stun? 9. Azir R? 10. Ziggs R/Asol R? 11. does Lissandra E TP her? 12. Can you remove shen's blade from his team? 13. Does mel reflect all of Maokai R or just the one that hits her? Does maokai get the movespeed of hitting an enemy? 14. Alistar's passive heal is a projectile. can it get reflected? 15. Syndra's Orbs get stopped but not destroyed by windwall. How does mel W work?
if it is stopped by yasuo's windwall it will be reflected by mel's shield, the targeting type depends on the skill type, a morgana Q is a skill shot, so it will be reflected to morgana as a skills short, cait's ult is targeted, so it will be reflected as a targeted skill
Does Smolder R send the fire breath trail back at him while healing Mel? Can you reflect part of Aurelion Sol's empowered Skies Descend Shockwave? What happens with Nunu's Biggest Snowball Ever? Roll duration reset? Size and speed changes?
then you understand absolutely nothing about games design xD its projectile classes only, meaning anything that uses line trace, volumes or instant use is unaffected. lots of champs have projectiles, a projectile is a physical object that is spawned in engine when a button is pressed. everything else works on volumes.
Interesting that Mel gets benefit from the passives of some of these champions when she reflects their abilities like Akshan R but Sylas cannot apply Brand burn if he steals his R for example. I'm not sure if Sylas with Akshan ult works or not
If it would just reflect the vector of the ability's projectile it might actually be balanced. But that it redirects the ability to the caster just seems busted. I get that this would not work with point and click type abilities or would need some other approach. Just imagining the mel vs fizz match up... or the teamfights
it has a severly long cooldown and if you deflect the wrong attack you could easily fuck yourself over like with briar ult xD shes not as broken as you might thing plus shes squishy af. don't start the bitching before shes actually released. thats why public beta exists to iron shit out.
Is it possible that if you have the same champ on enemy team and on your team that you can help teammates proc abilities? For example when you reflect vex E, can a ally vex proc the passive dmg?
Vandiril is gonna have a year worth of content just because of this single ability
well, he already did a video about it couple minutes ago where he tested out 188 abilities, you can check it out
I hope you are right :D
@@Vandirilthe goat himself
@@Vandiril lol
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3:39 Naut Q reflected
"Task failed successfully"
Blitz also lmao
Poor Thresh tho that thing just stuns him (well...similiarly/comparably)
might actually be more successful in some situations, naut only slightly pulls the target and pulls him self very far. if mel reflects it, she is pulled way more out of position than before. its actually bad for mel to do this unless she is protecting someone else.
Yeah I like that it's not some sort of perfect bail out ability- if you reflect the wrong projectile you actually screw yourself
@@GengUpinIpinblitz not so much if you’re under turret or around your teammates which is more often then you’d think
@CharlotteBekker honestly at that point, any kind of cc reflected is gonna cost the intial sender
Im suprised how little bugs this ability has, you can tell Riot actually cared about it this time
This game isn’t really buggy for the casual audience
@@jpuc5568 commenter still right tho, surprisingly very few bugs here. almost everything works as intended and expected
Mel isn't even out, give it a week before we start finding the egregious bugs. Viego had thousands of bugs that took months to sift through.
This is honestly very impressive work from riot, all these interactions seem to be very well thought trough, although there are still some bugs.
Once in a thousand years, they're actually not undercooking.
its less impressive when you realise they didn't program every ability into her and more had an array of actors called projectile that she reflects back with less math and it dupes the code of the character being copied. i could make this in unreal in a day xD
@@dustjackal8584 LMAO at coding this in a day with a years old codebase with hundreds of projectiles.
@@dustjackal8584 Except it uses her modifier and all of her item effects, and sometimes it uses the enemies passive and sometimes it doesn't. It really isn't that clean.
@@dustjackal8584 just make lol2 already then
Imagine having an ability that slows yourself and your entire kit spins around one ability and then an (I asume) overloaded champion uno reverses your entire kit with one ability that isn't even an ultimate
jokes aside the skill have 30 secs cooldown on lvl 1 vs blitz W which have 10 secs cooldown. I mean blitz can use it up to three times plus Mel is a mage which is super squishy unlike blitzcrank that have passive
Releasing Multiplayer Practice Tool right before Mel was great timing :D
Hey @HextechLab, can Mel's W reflect multiple skills at the same time like Riot showed in the trailer? I wonder what skill would took effect first, like Nautilus's Q and Amumu's Q at the same time
Hey, I'd like to see turrets how'd they do , especially shaco W (boxes) if shaco is far far away, would that proc Horizon (if either shaco or mel has it)?
Nah. Professor Akali just hacked the tool. 👀👀👀
They did it so the users would find all the bugs for them 😌
@HextechLab, you forgot to test versus Katerina's Ultimate
2:20 Particle accsennarator
The vanishing Draven ult is "normal" in my opinion, it reflects off the "back" of Mel, back to Draven, and Mel catches it as if it was the end of its trajectory
The next Ult should deal damage, but it does not.
Wait riot explicitly showed mel copying the execute from urgot r in the season 15 gameplay teaser so why doesn't it work here?
I believe it is because they didn't level up the R, only the shield skill
Probably, if they retry the test on lv 6 when Mel has ult, it may work
Maybe they took that away
No idea. We tried a lot, but didn’t find a situation where Mel would execute Urgot.
Yeah, we got scammed. I even asked that on the previous Hextech Lab video, and the answer is... underwhelming
@@lavandalavada4228 but then why show it on the official youtube video? Maybe they forgot to cut it out after changing it but it seems like a big difference to me whether she can execute urgot
Naut ;
Q : Reflected
Naut ; Works for me does not matter...
Naut R ; Can't reflect
Naut ; Hold my beer.
ready to see my teammates first time her and treat it like a windwall only to leona E themselves into the enemy team on a squishy mage.
BIG LIST OF LTHER QUESTIONS!
Don't know all the keys/names for the abilities, but what happens with:
Ashe hawk
Zac catapult (he is a projectile!)
Heimerdinger turret shots (to the turret or heimer?)
Pix (lulu passive)
Aurelion Sol comet!
Brand R (bounce count? Range of enemies?)
Ekko w (shield and stun)
Galio Q and R (he is a projectile like Zac!)
GP ult
Jayce Q and gate interactions? Gate is not reflected, is it used?
Kalista R - throw the champ back?
MF bouncing bullet - pre and post bounce?
Singed W
Syndra W and E
Vlad Q - nothing is actually projected, just extracted...
Xayah recalling her feathers from behind Mel
Ziggs R
Zyra plants - does Mel consume the seeds if she reflects the root?
mf ult is multiple projectile too
Zac and galio are not projectiles
add katarina ult and the Q of kata land a dagger on the floor, can she use it ?
a lot of these arent projectiles
Annie Q stun
2:35 Final boss arcane
Senna's R reflection with 2 Mel is so beautiful
What I find funny is that Blitz Q and Amumu Q essentially swap functions when reflected - Blitz hook becomes bandage toss and vice versa.
okay, it’s actually really impressive how they were able to code this ability. it not only works and interract with all other champ abilities, but also gets that golden particle effect for all of them. must have been genuinely hard to make this ability.
jhin when his own bullet flies at him : 😐
theories spiral that mel is (one of many) black rose's secret weapons against morderkaiser
5:47 mel cannot block a single spell from morder. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
at least he W can nullify one Q damage
love that leona E is shown. gives her an indirect pull
its just ironic to see hook champs getting punished for landing their own skillshots lol
5:49 foreshadowing
2:29: particle accelerator
Bursted out laughing at this part, we've achieved infinite self-sustaining energy generation XD
8:49 YES BLIND THE TEEMO MAKE THE RAT SUFFER
Can the senna particle accelerator be useful in real world
Reminds me of the black hole glitch in Super Smash Bros. Melee
yes we could power many houses with it
I heard that in the next season of Arcane they'll have 2 Mels strapped in a factory just bouncing projectiles back and forth to generate infinite power for Noxian world domination
02:30 How to paint interference patterns in League of Legends
Jhin W is a funny one. As a spell it's just large AOE, not a projectile, however it looks like projectile. They specifically coded to be blocked by windwall, and every time new spell that interacts with projectiles is released, Riot forgets to update Jhin W. As a baseline, the spell is like lux R.
I think an interesting experiment would be to see if tahm's Q+R can work on himself if hes already pre-stacked by ally tahm
So enemy tahm with 3 stacks, enemy tahm Q+R's Mel, and Mel reflects that back
3:26 also visuallly tresh lost the lantern lmao
Tahm: :uses Q:
Mel: 👁👅👁
LETS GOO MEL DOES GO GOBLIN MODE
Unironically worse situation for Mel when she reflects amumu lmao
im trynna see some funny interactions and you got these banger ass music in the background that i could barely focus on the video man
The interaktion, gives me 2006 Super smash Bros Melee vibes.
The black hole glitch with 2 Fox Peach and ness
An interaction you didn't show that I thought was interesting was that when Mel reflects Olaf's axe, neither one of them can pick it up afterwards. Honestly feels kind of bad on the Olaf side, the axe gets reflected really far away and you can't even pick it up to reset the cooldown.
The most broken part is the fact that it always reflects on the caster and not just reflects like a mirror would depending on the direction. A skill shot that hit her turns into a aimbot guided missile is just stupid without counter. It's a no-brainer abbility that can't be pubished or played around
Ive heard that the design and balance team literally do not communicate. This I think proves it. The reflect is so cool and creates so many interesting outcomes buuut its broken as fuck and extremely tilting. I would not be surprised if this was the highest ban rate champ on release, although theres so much broken shit these days its hard to decide.
It's just 200 years, guys, chill
great video!
TWO MELS REFLECTING SENNA ULT WILL MELT A TEAM
noticed you missed a possible weird interaction between mel and shen. Little known fact, but shen's sword counts as a projectile when he recals it by using Q, so it can be stopped by yasuo windwall; but, it'd be interesting to see how that would work with mel, if she simply blocks it like windwall, gains the empowered auto's of his q, or even if it sends the sword backwards.
Alot of these could potentially just be practice tool bugs, but im actually surprised at how few bugs there are so far
Finally Teemo can taste his own medicine
2:19 this is how fiber optic works
Ornn passive counts as a projectile. Can you steal upgrading an item?
It reflects back into the enemy, so if anyrhing it's Ornn getting extra upgrade
It's probally not coded as a projectile. It just visually look like one. Jhin's W is the same case. It's an instant ability but it look like a projectile.
only things that interact with windwall will work, it most likely is just a visual
So basically morde is mels kryptonite as it stands , i wonder wich also counter her 🧐
We evolved from everything is a minion to everything is a projectile. We did it!
2:22 so this is where vegeta final flash landed after cell fight
Honestly, half of these interactions (especially those with hook champions) seem pretty well thought out, and I feel the way you can play against Mel is just counterpicking her with champions that do exactly that - Orianna, Blitzcrank, Sylas (although he shits on mages in general), even Nautilus.
The Senna one is crazy beautiful
2:40 W music choice, I knew I heard it somewhere. This banger is from set 10 of TFT.
My Elden Ring instincts just scream PARRY!
2:20 Patrick: good morning crusty crew, OOOOOOOOOH HO HO HO OHHHHH
Not testing if a teammate could take Thresh lantern was a missed opportunity
I think hooks are gonna be her counter especially the ones that pull HER towards the enemy, naut, leona ect
Mel W became Mel E in the subtitles at Morde's part.
thank you for making the video im thinking of what if and then we see this glory 2:35
2:30 ah yes the beam me up to heaven strategy. Just as sun tzu wrote about in the art of war
this is so extremelly ridiculous I have no words
you had urgot only once below the treshold and he managed to just hp regen before the end of R duration
at least on the video
This is like watching SSBU reflect myth buster videos on Zelda 😂
Mel: you are now thinking in portal
2:28 Made in Heaven!!!!
I have a few questions :
1. how do velkoz Q2 and e work?
2. the Triumph rune's bonus gold is a projectile and in some cases can fail to reach its target. Can mel reflect it?
3. why did they show mel executing urgot in the gameplay trailer?
4. Does braum Q apply his passive?
5. Sejuani E active is a projectile. Does it get reflected?
6. Does mundo Q Heal her?
7. Smolder R?
8. Does nunu E stun?
9. Azir R?
10. Ziggs R/Asol R?
11. does Lissandra E TP her?
12. Can you remove shen's blade from his team?
13. Does mel reflect all of Maokai R or just the one that hits her? Does maokai get the movespeed of hitting an enemy?
14. Alistar's passive heal is a projectile. can it get reflected?
15. Syndra's Orbs get stopped but not destroyed by windwall. How does mel W work?
look at the vandiril video, he tried a few more things with Mel
if it is stopped by yasuo's windwall it will be reflected by mel's shield, the targeting type depends on the skill type, a morgana Q is a skill shot, so it will be reflected to morgana as a skills short, cait's ult is targeted, so it will be reflected as a targeted skill
Epileptic Warning would be nice.
Does Smolder R send the fire breath trail back at him while healing Mel?
Can you reflect part of Aurelion Sol's empowered Skies Descend Shockwave?
What happens with Nunu's Biggest Snowball Ever? Roll duration reset? Size and speed changes?
Just so you know, some of the descriptions say "Mel E" instead of "Mel W". Around 6:00
I like the leona interaction it ads skill expression
1000 years champion
tbh mel should be able recast W if you reflect a spell like urgot ult, vex ult akali E etc
Reflecting the Senna ULT looks just like the black hole glitch setup from Smash Bros. Melee.
finally a way to make a particle accelerator on league
i was woried if urgot r worked, how mel was going to do the execute animation
Look at the season 15 gameplay teaser at around 0:47
Check how interact taunt with this spell (galio W or rammus E)
It really seems like the devs just picked out a hat for shit that can be reflected or not
then you understand absolutely nothing about games design xD its projectile classes only, meaning anything that uses line trace, volumes or instant use is unaffected. lots of champs have projectiles, a projectile is a physical object that is spawned in engine when a button is pressed. everything else works on volumes.
the same things that interact with yasuo windwall work here, the coding is the same
2:32 inset Screaming baby made of ash meme here
mel sivir botlane gonna go hard into hook champs lmao
oh yes, the mel optic cavity
2:23 do a summoner's rift black hole!
fiora W need a rework
I hope this is not a bug.. just the nature of her W
Should be able to reflect Singed W as well
5:30 what if mel reflected urgot r2 while urgot is low? does it execute urgot?
Interesting that Mel gets benefit from the passives of some of these champions when she reflects their abilities like Akshan R but Sylas cannot apply Brand burn if he steals his R for example. I'm not sure if Sylas with Akshan ult works or not
cant wait for the next tank to have this
If it would just reflect the vector of the ability's projectile it might actually be balanced. But that it redirects the ability to the caster just seems busted.
I get that this would not work with point and click type abilities or would need some other approach. Just imagining the mel vs fizz match up... or the teamfights
I was looking for brand’s ult, curious about the bounce interaction
What a mess Riot is doing
Im actually quite surprised the skill is working the way i thought i would work, not the other way around
Na it's fun. Just thinking a whole nunu snowball pingpong make me happy
it has a severly long cooldown and if you deflect the wrong attack you could easily fuck yourself over like with briar ult xD shes not as broken as you might thing plus shes squishy af. don't start the bitching before shes actually released. thats why public beta exists to iron shit out.
Wdym i only counted 2 "Bugs" in the hole video, the champion works as expected
If you meqn good job, then yes.
Was waiting for velkoz to be ahown
3:18 thats because cait has a passive for headshots while mel doesnt
6:04 thats because its not her passive
Correct but how does it work for Akshan passive? The shield is part of Akshan passive not R, likely a bug
HOW a single champ have so many unique projectile models ???
they probably just changes the material to a golden color, this is actually quite easy if you see how game engines works
Is it possible that if you have the same champ on enemy team and on your team that you can help teammates proc abilities? For example when you reflect vex E, can a ally vex proc the passive dmg?
where is the vel koz interactions so many projectiles to test
Can allies take the reflected lantern?
Can Mel get AP from killing minion with Veigar's Q?
Senna pasive stacks, aka the ones she pulls in are also counted as Projectiles, can she relfext and stack those herself?
Wait until she reflects Malz ult 😂
my new favorit BAN
can you make a soraka banan realy big ? bcs the aa gets bigger the longe it travels
Need more sauce with that spaghetti
curious if she would reflect the entire vlad E (the full circle) or just the parts she blocked
I would like to know what happens with GP's barrels