Depending on the cpu and game 3600mhz is still the sweet spot for performance because going to any higher clocks has increasingly smaller fps gains. Memory speed just isn't as crucial to games as cpu speed. Games love high cpu clocks because thats were all the work is being done. It doesn't matter if the data can be shoveled faster into the cpu via higher clocked ram if it can't process it fast enough.
I actually picked up a knock-off A01 case (like an HTPC case if you don't know the name), a B650i mb, and this APU for a little build I'm doing next week. I don't really game on the bigger, more demanding titles anymore, but for the retro games/emulators, and indie pixel art games that have had my interest for a while now, this seems perfect. I can't wait, though, as this is going to be the smallest build I've ever done and the first time I've used a Pico PSU. Thanks for the vid!
Gamers nexus has found a power issue with these cpu in that with extended play at high loads the power draw will suddenly drop to half or less and tank performance. This doesn't seem to be a temperature issue.
Actually the sad thing about the new APUs is the number of PCIe lanes. When you’re ready for a GPU you’ll need a new CPU as well. But I’m looking forward to getting them to play with. Planning an 8700G build to put in my truck.
The 8700g has 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, enough for a GPU and an SSD. Also b650 boards have support for 36 PCIe 4.0 lanes, meaning anything else you put in will be handled at full speed by the mobo up to 36 lanes worth.
day 8 I was in temu and found PC parts on there heres a list of them: GPU motherboard ram SSDs fans AIO case. I couldn't find a CPU but i would just use something a round the price of the GPU, I would also get accessories for the all temu setup. i would love to see this video come out. you guys are the best
A 12100F/5500 CPU build with an RX 6600 is about the same price with the correct parts. It has worse upgradeability for sure, but it destroys the 8600G in gaming
I built my friend a super budget PC with a 4600G and it can actually play 1080p at low/medium with no discreet GPU. And the chip itself is many years old. I was shocked.
Just built a 8700G rig today. For less than a Legion Go with slightly more power from the desktop class wattage I’m good with this until I can afford a graphics card.
When 16GB 3Ghz RAM was considered fast for DDR4 RAM which what I was using for like 5 years, now I just doubled both the RAM Speeds and RAM Capacity to 32GB DDR5 at 6GHz.
Theres a store selling a 8600g prebuid at 370$ but single stick of ram + 240gb ssd and also selling a 5600g prebuild at 280$ with single stick of ram + 480gb ssd... Both are still a killer value imo just their choice of psus are very questionable...
We should be seeing the newest cod, battlefield 2042, tekken 8, the newest FC game or newest madden, nba2k, a racing game like Forza, and then cyberpunk or horizon forbidden west A full assortment of benchmarks
These chips will be fantastic in laptops and cheap prebuilts. I can see someone buying a $600 HP machine for basic tasks and as a bonus the kids being able to play modern games no problem. But performance doesn’t quite beat a $60 rx580 8gb (used) so Id recommend that to anyone building a tower on a budget
Board makers should add a gddr6+ rem slot near cpu to add extended VRAM that APU can access at full gddr6+++ speeds. That is upgradadble to whatvever you need example 16gb.
there would be no point, and it would just be more costly. They would most likely have to solder the modules onto the board to actually get high speeds, like the ones on GPUs.
I looks like the link you guys have posted for the RAM are for DDR4. I'm pretty sure AM5 is DDR5 Only. You may want to change that so novice builders don't get confused.
The fastest cards I would pair with a Ryzen 5 8600G is either the RTX 4070 or RX 7800 XT because if you pair it with anything more powerful than that you'll get a pretty noticeable cpu bottleneck.
Not bad, but I mean you can just get a 5500 and a RX 580 for like 190-210$ (for where Im at) this is brand new aswell. Yeah new gen and stuff but 5500 still rocks till this day.
hi sir im watching since 2019. my build is 3200g b450m 16gb 3200mhz and 450watts psu. what gpu can i go to for upgrade. im only youtube , valorant and csgo.. watching from taiwan. thank u
This apu plus ddr5 ram will cost you about $300 which is a terrible deal, when you ryzen 5 5600 plus 5500xt with ddr4 ram will cost less but give you much better performance
You would need custom boards made for such a device. Would there be a financial incentive for these to be made for a low powered gaming system?@@tommasolenci2840
Watch your prices if you are replicating this build. Currently TCreate CL30 ddr5 6000 is cheaper than what is used here. edit: actually a couple of dollars more.
Borken link for ram, it's showing ddr4 ram, fyi, great vid for those interested in AMD's new APU's/etc...always interested in seeing ddr5 ram prices, click link, get ddr4 lol, seeing as youre pushing a ddr5 platform, I hope you guys fix the link for those interested in this build and components. GG
The mobo and memory required to run these 250-300+ apu make the entire thing a pointless thing. AM4 chipset 450/550 mobo with a 3600/5600 and a 6700xt with 32gb DDR4 mem will easily carry every average gamer over the AM5 chipset and not require average gamers to get the components required to use these apus for so much less performance. These are for someone , more of a novelty but these will not even perform at the 6650xt level or price range. £120+ for the basement mobo £250-330+ for the 8600g/8700g cpu £60+ 16gb DDR5 Before case/psu/ SSD you are already in deep water. These 3 components will build a B450M (Asrock is fire), RX 6650xt, 32gb DDR4, ryzen 5 3600, 1tb NvME, case, 750w psu and leave you with change back and room to upgrade or just carry over the AM5 chipset in 1080p happy as Larry. Thank you for the content.
Test some AAA titles too. Something like forza horizon 5,god of war would be great. We know they wont run great but just so we can know if it would be playable at lowest settings
APUs for some reason give me ptsd. I remember my grandma buying me a Dell in early 2000s. We asked salesman if it would play games. He said yes it had “integrated “ graphics. We not knowing anything bought it. Kicker it also had 128mb of ram.
You shouldn't build a pc around this. Unless you can build it into a mini pc the resale value will be terrible. If you insist on going this route, get the cheapest motherboard you can find, buy some ram, and refurb an old office machine. Then you can at least sell the mb combo for close to what you paid. Otherwise you can buy compact 7840hs systems for very little $ that will run more efficiently, or you can install an actual graphics card and have something that will actually be useful.
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cant believe we've reached a point where 5200mhz is considered slow when just a few years ago 3200mhz was the sweet spot for ram speeds🤣
Im still on 1600mhz.
I'm on 3200mhz DDR4
Depending on the cpu and game 3600mhz is still the sweet spot for performance because going to any higher clocks has increasingly smaller fps gains. Memory speed just isn't as crucial to games as cpu speed. Games love high cpu clocks because thats were all the work is being done. It doesn't matter if the data can be shoveled faster into the cpu via higher clocked ram if it can't process it fast enough.
@@nonaurbizniz7440 some games do prefer higher mem speed like starfield. however, the vast majority of games still do not need major mem speed
RAM speed isn't linear when talking about different generations, since CAS latency increases. Final latency (ns) matters much more.
Ive got the 5700G in my system. its all I need but when the AM5 chips come down in cost in a couple years I will look at one of the newer APU's.
another great content presentation , very much appreciated keeping up with the latest and great hardware that you can showcase/demonstrate.
I actually picked up a knock-off A01 case (like an HTPC case if you don't know the name), a B650i mb, and this APU for a little build I'm doing next week. I don't really game on the bigger, more demanding titles anymore, but for the retro games/emulators, and indie pixel art games that have had my interest for a while now, this seems perfect. I can't wait, though, as this is going to be the smallest build I've ever done and the first time I've used a Pico PSU.
Thanks for the vid!
Gamers nexus has found a power issue with these cpu in that with extended play at high loads the power draw will suddenly drop to half or less and tank performance. This doesn't seem to be a temperature issue.
and next Bios update will fix this.
The driver update has been released for the fix
that cpu is better than my entire laptop 😢😥
Same
Actually the sad thing about the new APUs is the number of PCIe lanes. When you’re ready for a GPU you’ll need a new CPU as well. But I’m looking forward to getting them to play with. Planning an 8700G build to put in my truck.
in your truck? OTR driver?
The 8700g has 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, enough for a GPU and an SSD. Also b650 boards have support for 36 PCIe 4.0 lanes, meaning anything else you put in will be handled at full speed by the mobo up to 36 lanes worth.
This is EPIC! APUs are a game changer!
my gpu is 1,356% better 💀💀
@@OHCGAMEZCost?
day 8
I was in temu and found PC parts on there heres a list of them:
GPU
motherboard
ram
SSDs
fans
AIO
case.
I couldn't find a CPU but i would just use something a round the price of the GPU, I would also get accessories for the all temu setup. i would love to see this video come out. you guys are the best
A 12100F/5500 CPU build with an RX 6600 is about the same price with the correct parts. It has worse upgradeability for sure, but it destroys the 8600G in gaming
some am5 problems
McCallister that jazz flute was fireeee!
I built my friend a super budget PC with a 4600G and it can actually play 1080p at low/medium with no discreet GPU. And the chip itself is many years old. I was shocked.
Can you do a video on the 8700g also? Let us know if it is worth 100 more? For the extra 2 core 4 thread and the more powerful gpu.
watch our review video from yesterday :)
Just built a 8700G rig today. For less than a Legion Go with slightly more power from the desktop class wattage I’m good with this until I can afford a graphics card.
Can't wait for the 8700g with 6000mhz ram tests
When 16GB 3Ghz RAM was considered fast for DDR4 RAM which what I was using for like 5 years, now I just doubled both the RAM Speeds and RAM Capacity to 32GB DDR5 at 6GHz.
I actually needed that sponsor advertisement for once. I aint paying full price for windows
you can... obtain it in otherways for free
@@vexnity460how dawg
@@vexnity460 Please mention how
Theres a store selling a 8600g prebuid at 370$ but single stick of ram + 240gb ssd and also selling a 5600g prebuild at 280$ with single stick of ram + 480gb ssd... Both are still a killer value imo just their choice of psus are very questionable...
We should be seeing the newest cod, battlefield 2042, tekken 8, the newest FC game or newest madden, nba2k, a racing game like Forza, and then cyberpunk or horizon forbidden west
A full assortment of benchmarks
All these main stream channels focus on games nobody is interested in anymore.
I am not a gamer, but thinking about buying this for a small media (Plex)server. I think this will work fine. What do y'all think?
It will work since u just need the cpu and mobo. Goodluck building your pc
Personally, the upgrade path is amazing. It's the main reason to choose these APUs
These chips will be fantastic in laptops and cheap prebuilts. I can see someone buying a $600 HP machine for basic tasks and as a bonus the kids being able to play modern games no problem.
But performance doesn’t quite beat a $60 rx580 8gb (used) so Id recommend that to anyone building a tower on a budget
I would suggest everyone take a look at Gamer Nexus video he release today in regards to Amd GPU before considering this build.
Board makers should add a gddr6+ rem slot near cpu to add extended VRAM that APU can access at full gddr6+++ speeds. That is upgradadble to whatvever you need example 16gb.
there would be no point, and it would just be more costly. They would most likely have to solder the modules onto the board to actually get high speeds, like the ones on GPUs.
Could you do a video on a budget pc, that you can upgrade a newer gpu to for about the same price as the new AMD apu build price?
what 3v3 apex game mode is that? Looks like arenas but that mode was taken out.
You can ride a Coleman 196cc Gas-Powered Mini Bike but it isn't anything like riding a Motorcycle. Gaming on an APU is akin to riding a mini bike.
Geez, you should really test these builds in more games than just Fortnite and Apex Legends. Just saying. Test it in proper games.
You guys should really make a pc video for using vr headsets with pc
I looks like the link you guys have posted for the RAM are for DDR4. I'm pretty sure AM5 is DDR5 Only. You may want to change that so novice builders don't get confused.
I'm building my own pc bc of you guys and I'm only 12
The fastest cards I would pair with a Ryzen 5 8600G is either the RTX 4070 or RX 7800 XT because if you pair it with anything more powerful than that you'll get a pretty noticeable cpu bottleneck.
Not bad, but I mean you can just get a 5500 and a RX 580 for like 190-210$ (for where Im at) this is brand new aswell. Yeah new gen and stuff but 5500 still rocks till this day.
I'd use a CPU for a retro gaming build, but then again I have older machines for that.
So what would be better 7800x3d or 8700g for gaming and for the price?
Obviously the 7800x3d since it’s the best gaming cpu.
Good build. Prices are raging rn tho'.... Still, maybe one day but not today...
hi sir im watching since 2019. my build is 3200g b450m 16gb 3200mhz and 450watts psu.
what gpu can i go to for upgrade. im only youtube , valorant and csgo.. watching from taiwan. thank u
This apu plus ddr5 ram will cost you about $300 which is a terrible deal, when you ryzen 5 5600 plus 5500xt with ddr4 ram will cost less but give you much better performance
Yeah a
"We smell." "We don't smell!" "We stink".
Good option for amateur gamers like myself that rarely play. Hard to justify buying a dedicated GPU when you only play a few times a year
These integrated GPUs are interesting for MINI PCs, not for Desktop PCs at least for me
You still need to fit a motherboard in a small PC case, and all such cases can fit a better performing GPU in.
@@Safetytrousers Hi, MINI PC are form factor like Apple MAC Mini can't fit discrete GPU inside
You would need custom boards made for such a device. Would there be a financial incentive for these to be made for a low powered gaming system?@@tommasolenci2840
Maybe I should do APU at 1080p 60hz monitor. Just do that for pixel art games.
Saw the title and had to see what’s up lol lets goooo
so the question is, which one is better to go for 8600g for 100 bucks less or the 8700? (for a small build with no room for gpu)
Just go with 5600x or 5700x then buy a 2nd hand gpu like rx 6600 or 1660 super you'll get better performance for gaming
hi, thanks i should have specified its an itx build with no room for a GPU@@zilverman7820
It says they will be released
tomorrow
Watch your prices if you are replicating this build. Currently TCreate CL30 ddr5 6000 is cheaper than what is used here. edit: actually a couple of dollars more.
Borken link for ram, it's showing ddr4 ram, fyi, great vid for those interested in AMD's new APU's/etc...always interested in seeing ddr5 ram prices, click link, get ddr4 lol, seeing as youre pushing a ddr5 platform, I hope you guys fix the link for those interested in this build and components. GG
The apu does not support pcie4 x16 though right? Only x8?
Yeah. The 8700g has the full 4.0x16 but the 8600g only has 4.0x8 which has the same bandwidth as 3.0x16
Bringback my 12 minutes. ONLY TWO GAMES?!
do you recommend segotep as a psu brand?
1 like 👍🏼 = 1 push-up 💪🏻
1 push-up bro
That low speed is making you lose like 10 whole FPS. Don’t cheap out.
can you try with fsr/rsr/fluid frames
Still using my Apu A8 5600K 4 core 4 threads)
How do we know who won the latest giveaway?
The 8600G only has 8 PCIE lanes for a graphics card, so be warned when upgrading.
That ram speed is waaaaay off from what AMD recommends. 6000 is the minimum and 6400 is preferred. Otherwise, nice build.
what about hypr-rx ? they said it should be enabled to beat the the gtx 1650
but why even go 8600G if we aint gonna use inwin chopin or some asrock deskmini kinda pc
How will it go video editing?
Would it be able to run Minecraft shaders
I want to get this and see how it is with a gt 620 and gtx 970
Can these not be overclocked?
Crazy how fast APU's developed 👀
is segotep psu really that reliable ?
Gaming without a gpu would make me sad.
what is a APU? I've never heard of it.
Processor that has both CPU and GPU
The mobo and memory required to run these 250-300+ apu make the entire thing a pointless thing. AM4 chipset 450/550 mobo with a 3600/5600 and a 6700xt with 32gb DDR4 mem will easily carry every average gamer over the AM5 chipset and not require average gamers to get the components required to use these apus for so much less performance. These are for someone , more of a novelty but these will not even perform at the 6650xt level or price range.
£120+ for the basement mobo
£250-330+ for the 8600g/8700g cpu
£60+ 16gb DDR5
Before case/psu/ SSD you are already in deep water. These 3 components will build a B450M (Asrock is fire), RX 6650xt, 32gb DDR4, ryzen 5 3600, 1tb NvME, case, 750w psu and leave you with change back and room to upgrade or just carry over the AM5 chipset in 1080p happy as Larry.
Thank you for the content.
A mobo, 8600g and 16gb is only ~£350
PCBROS 100 percent smells, you heard it from Matt....
Why u dont play AAA games on builds like these?
R5 7500F + RX 6500XT much better performance and much lower price than this 8600G .
The point is the small size than the price imo.
Is there any way i can get in contact with you?
Test some AAA titles too. Something like forza horizon 5,god of war would be great. We know they wont run great but just so we can know if it would be playable at lowest settings
The new APUs are still too expensive. The 5600g and the 5700g are far superior. I'm not convinced AM5 is worth it in the long run.
Would a arous elite b550 motherboard be able to run that?
No different platform
APUs for some reason give me ptsd. I remember my grandma buying me a Dell in early 2000s. We asked salesman if it would play games. He said yes it had “integrated “ graphics. We not knowing anything bought it. Kicker it also had 128mb of ram.
First gen Pentium 4 too!
When does this cpu get released?
31st of January
VR joined the chat. Don't try saying u can get VR to not run on 5 fps with integrated graphics
The bird is the word xD
I can' find any place selling the 8600g or the 8700g.
cuz its not been released yet.
Give it a month or two, you will good to go
if it is not on par with a GTX 1060 it is not worth it....
lol the 8:24 zestiness
when are they available?
Now. Click the link
@@rickgeller6043 there is nothing showing to buy them. see no links anywhere to buy them.
That link doesn't result in either of these CPUs. @@rickgeller6043
At this time igpus is not a good deal you can get more powerful pc for 600 dollars have rx 6600 ryzen 5 5500 or ryzen 5 3600
I wish i could get a decent pc for 600 im js broke😭😭😭😭
You can build a decent pc for $600 just not a good prebuilt
Crater just made a 600 dollar one and it was really good❤
U lucky@@OhitzBrendon
@yunoniko and it was 600 dollars like you said
You can make a good asf pc in 600$
Get 5500 for around 100bucks and 16 gb ddr 4 ram
You can probably get 6650xt in 600
You shouldn't build a pc around this. Unless you can build it into a mini pc the resale value will be terrible.
If you insist on going this route, get the cheapest motherboard you can find, buy some ram, and refurb an old office machine.
Then you can at least sell the mb combo for close to what you paid. Otherwise you can buy compact 7840hs systems for very little $ that will run more efficiently, or you can install an actual graphics card and have something that will actually be useful.
uh........ is xmp on? if it is then you should be about to get decent fps. if its in auto...... wtf
The 8600G has an integrated GPU, so the video title is a wrong affirmation 😆
hynix p31 is much better than solidigm p41, I don't know how solidigm did it, but they made it worse.
That chip has probs..amd is already making a patch
What if .. add GPU ? 😮
Then it will run better, this video is just for budget gaming purposes
Nice ❤
Setup for Fortnite Minecraft Roblox ???
8600G is totally worth it. 8700G is trash for the money
My used r5 2600 I got for $35 and my mingzhou rx580 I got for 67$ runs better than this lol !!! Come on guys ….think we are peaking with these CPU’s ?
Gaming and coding perfect for me.
this is like the same video u posted the other day nah?
it feels illegal to be this early
Its not the Latest and Greatest....Oh it is.