2-Gun Action Match: WWII Snipers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- This month for the 2-Gun Action Challenge Match, Karl and I square off with WWII snipers' rifles. I have a No4 MkI (T) Enfield sniper with a 3.5x No.32 scope, and Karl has a Mauser K98k with a 1.5x ZF41 designated marksman's optic. Both rifles are authentic, although both scopes are reproductions. The question is, will the ZF41 allow Karl to shoot faster, or will the greater magnification on the Enfield provide a bigger advantage?
"Bloody hell!" Ian's even adding British curses to the mix!
I can't believe how well you handled that rifle being left handed! Well done!
I agree. That awkward south paw action looks difficult.
hairy otter he’s also shooting with the left it would be like you having a lefty bolt but only using your right hand to work everything. Also right action right hand is just faster because your hand has to move less. I think a left bolt for a righty would be annoying
@@shekelgoldsteinbruh🤣 duhhh
@@RipBillCooper 3 years ago bro shut the fuck up lmao
Fun fact: Leaving your gun unattended is still treated the same way in todays German army (the "Bundeswehr"). On an excersise I put mine against a tree to get water from some barrels came back and it was gone. I was handed a squared timber as a replacement. Not so much fun to carry that thing around let alone trying to shoot it...
+Llyd ApDicta Same here in Finland. Didn't misplace mine though :)
+Llyd ApDicta Yep. Had more than a few arms (bearing corporal's chevrons...) flash underneath toilet stall doors and try swipe the thing at basic training, so I never left it more than arm's reach away. I do the same thing at home now - if I have my rifles out of the safe at all, they're somewhere I can grab them in a hurry. Can't seem to kick the habit.
Same in the Marine Corps. You don't ever just lay it down.
Brian Anderson yup, USMC rules for my company is your rifle better be no more than arms length away. Sleep with it in your sleeping bag, with your sling wrapped around an arm.
If your rifle was snatched up by someone else, time to ride the pain train.
Gavin Mantyh Anyone who left it in attended got it "dummy corded" with 550 cord to their belt for a couple days.
THIS is a sport I'd watch at the Olympics. I'd even pay. Love these videos!
Put each country's standard-issue rifle against each other:
M16A4 vs. AK-12
416 vs. L85
Type 89 vs QBZ95
This would be cool.
@@AJadedLizard NATO countries do already do annual practical shooting with their service rifles
There is Olympic shooting, it is a sport lol
They have the biathlon which is skiing combined with shooting
"Bloody hell!" Even swore like a Brit. ;D
Running that bolt while prone looks like a nightmare for a lefty.
You get used to it.
You get used to it.
You get used to it.
Ian's left handed bolt work (except when prone) was masterful.
Ian's biggest problem and one which causes most loss of time and rythm is shooting left handed, having to reach over the gun to work the bolt means moving the rifle right off the target. He then has to re acquire the target through a scope, not easy when you are hurrying. He seems as though he is not pulling the bolt far enough back at times to properly eject the spent cartridge case, this could be a bit of wear too.
Most of the time you will be off target when loading a round with bolt action 90% of the time.
@@fragglefknrock7568 but, with the SMLE, the off-time is not very long, or very far, as you do not need to move the rifle very far during reload.
@@lohikarhu734 that's not what im saying but thanks for your concern.
@@fragglefknrock7568 indeed? Perhaps you meant "in comparison to an auto-loader"? But, certainly, trying to shoot the Lee-Enfield left-handed results in 100% target loss, compared to a Lee-Enfield-experienced RH shooter! In any case, thx 4 a "civilised" reply!
Damn the action on the Enfield is so smooth. That or Ian is just that good.
Gravitycat24 It is very smooth
Gewehr 43 vs SVT 40, or Gewehr 43 vs M1 Garand would be pretty cool. I'd probably take the Gewehr 43 in both cases, but still all really good rifles
Wheraboo...
Just playin, never shot a G43 so I have no room to speak.
Be honest with ya. I would take the SVT 40 post modifications
Another thing I noticed is that Karl looks like a lobster by the end of the video. Somebody please get this man a bucket of sunscreen and a big hat! I'm about as white as he is and I made the mistake of shooting a USPSA match in Florida without sun protection...once.
an interesting idea would be to swap the weapons and redo the matches
If only Ian were right handed, he'd be able to use the Enfield properly. Ah well.
Yeah....I bought an SMLE Mk 5 years ago that someone had cut and re-welded the bolt handle upside down so that it was easier for a Southpaw I guess....I am right handed but left eye dominant so shoot left handed....but I hated that thing and quickly had it cut and re-re-welded correctly.
You can learn. I shoot both links & rechts.
The lee enfield can't be used properly, it sucks
@@mangostrudel7058 Hmm ... I think you will find that most of the shooting community would take issue with the veracity of that :lol:
@Blatherskite
Came to say this. It's not as simple as being right or left handed. I started on the SLR and converted to the SA80 in my time and used the SLR left-handed and the SA80 ("5.56mm Rifle" then "IW") right (no choice). I'm left eyed but the 4 x magnification on the SUSAT compensated.
Man watching Ian cycling the gun lefthanded is mesmerizing
i work in a gun smiths in the uk and the other day had the chance to fire a 1942 dated Kar98k , such a brilliant and accurate rifle
I love this stuff!!! Just get out there and shoot guns!!!! Shooting is supposed to be fun, so make it fun. Nice videos, Forgotten Weapons. Cheers!
Looks like good times!
Good show of a couple of old war horses.
Being a left-hander is clearly a disadvantage when it comes to reloading a repeating rifle.
I never seen a man re-bolt a lee enfield like that! That's awesome!
Really like these match type clips
Excellent! I enjoy seeing these tests of vintage rifles and pistols under stress. A much better evaluation than mere benching. Thanks!
you videos are quite fascinating for us guys from non gun "loving" countries. really interesting. keep it up :)
That "Bloody Hell!" sounded remarkably Australian.
I used the 303 Enfield in Cadet competitions back in the '70's. It is painful to see someone work that bolt left-handed. Worked with the right hand, it's as smooth as silk. With the left hand it looks as comfortable as barely consensual sex with a porcupine.
Looks like a fun match!
Excellent video once again guys, and nice to see you reference 'Sniper on the Eastern Front' by Sepp Allerberger, which is an excellent book.
Next step would be to take out a K98 with a real sniper scope, such as a 4x ZF39 or 6x Zielsechs as Allerberger got to use and refered to as a super weapon compared to the Russian Mosin he had been using up until he was sent to sniper training.
Another great 2-gun match. It's really great to see these old guns used in a more practical setting than just range shooting. Thanks for really giving me an idea as to what these guns are actually like.
I love seeing the different guns as well as the two different shooting styles of Ian and Karl another good video guys!
Go the Leftys! 😍, great job reloading the Enfield Left handed Ian. Karl you did good, love the K98 (I want one but being Aussie my No1 Mk3 HT will do me) Awesome video guys did well 🤩
Boy, really showing how and Enfield would benefit from and extra mag or two!
I really enjoy these historic rifle comparisons. There are very unique. It is also interesting to hear the observations of modern users, perhaps the soldiers of old said the same things and had the same problems.
The advantage of the lee enfield action is kind of nullified when you shoot left handed
forgotten.. you are at one hell of a disadvantage firing that bad boy lefty
an interesting one to look up is the ww1 enfield sniper, some of which had side folding scopes, presumably for an aspect of camoflage and CQB
OMFG i love the kar98, WAW memories
"OMFG i love the kar98, WAW memories
I'm not a German, not a Nazi, not even a socialist, and I have many fond memories with a K98.
Kangaroo Zac The Mosin Nagant was better than the K98 and had a cooler firing sound but I liked the style of the K98k more even though it didn't hit as hard.
Skunk Gaming same I used the Kar all the time cause it's a sexy beast
A wonderful posting.
That was interesting , good points about the various strengths and weaknesses of scopes . It's good when proper enthusiasts get together . Great video 👍🇬🇧
16:55 - Good on Karl for fighting fair. 👏🤝
These challenges are great
Hey Ian, not that I am nit picking but according to Lee Enfield purists it is not called a stripper clip but a "charger". When I acquired my Lee Enfield no.4 I joined a Lee forum so I could learn more about the rifle. Friendly fellows but they were quick to correct me.....
More of this plz... love to see the guns and the way they are handeled... subscription done.
Brilliant lefthand shooting!
What was wrong with the Mauser? Karl seemed to have a really hard time locking the bolt. Bad ammo? My yugo mauser runs smooth as butter, never have I had to slam it close like that.
You are FAST on that Enfield bolt!
What a nice shot the enfield has, its awesome!
very good skill for left handed shooter with a bolt action rifle, i thought he has low chance because of right hand design blot, good job.
Those 2 gun matches look like fun.
Watching this makes me want to attend some more falling plate or Mauser matches. That was a lot of fun a few years ago.
I love watching these matches. I wish there was something like it in my area.
This is fantastic shooting range!!!
Wow Gun Jesus has doubled his sub base in a year. Admirable work Ian.
You guys have too much fun. What a great job! ;-)
K98 was the first rifle I ever shot. Love affair ever since...don't own one right now though, but whenever I get my hands on one I have a great time.
Wow vidya does not at all replicate the real way these guns performed.
15:10 Interesting. I had a similar experience in Red Orchestra 2. I was so used to having only 5 rounds with the Mauser, Mosin, and Arisakas that when I took up the Lee Enfield in the Heroes of the West mod, I found myself instinctively reloading after 5 rounds despite the 10 round magazine.
Cockney swearing was a nice touch useing the SMLEy
My dad used the Lee Enfield when he was in the Royal Marines and he was issued three magazines and told me that it was normal to have the three, but no more.
Whe did he serve?
Yeah right. That thought process is still used today. In the marines. I can remember multiple times having to do push ups because I droped my rifle. I see when it started lol.
The curse of the left handed sniper!
Thanks for the reply,my contribution to the new kit is being very well spent, I look forward to more slow mo stuff, as a life long gun "nut" I find it fascinating along with the Rock Island stuff. Keep it coming, thanks again.
i was drooling over that No4
8:06
Ian cycling that bolt like a champ gives me hope as a left hander, bein' English I aint got access to many firearms, do airsoft instead. But I found a realistic shell loaded Kar98k (8mm Mauser bullets with a hole in the end for a bb to sit in, haha) as realistic as I can get without booking time off and going to Texas or Tennessee, so I'm going to buy that and see if I can try it right handed. If not then it looks ok to do left on it, for saying with either hand your off aim cycling that bolt for about the same time, Karl has his cheek off the stock for as long as Ian does racking that bolt with his right hand.
I felt like my chakras had aligned when Karl said "Fuck where is it?"
6:07
Good times! Well done the both of you!
I happen to like these, “historical matches,” better then when you do the more modern guns. However I think I learn better information with the modern guns. Anyway good job all around.
Obviously we want to see the mosin sniper next. Do it in 105 degree heat with 98% humidity this time though!
I really love these comparisons you guys do.
It's all in good fun and in other realms would be impossible to see weapons like these go head to head.
I personally know those authentic kar98's w/ dmr scopes can cost up where the lines of 7k or more for only a decent one. So once again thank you for these videos.
Although the equipment is important, it depends to a great extent on the operator.
Ian, leave the bolt open and stuff in a few loose cartridges as you move stations.
Handling that thing like the American sniper from saving private ryan
Enfield bolt action was the best of all, so was quite simple for Ian to shoot fast.
The Mauser wasn't good enough, I saw rebating the handle about 20% of rounds.
Ian, Loved watching you work that Enfield left handed, reminded me of competitive shooting those 303 as a lefty back in the day.
It can get humid during monsoon season. And when it's humid in AZ it can be damned oppressive.
Great fun watching you two chaps going for it like that. TBH I always presumed a service rifle with a scope was a sniper rifle, so there's a lesson for me.
Love my old smle 3, never thought about how awkward it would be left hand.
16:46 ... Karl, a man of honor! :)
Watching a lefty shoot that awesome battle proven short action enfield was pure pain. What the lefty needed was a old school RSM to beat that crap out of him. Nice clip tho. Good effort none the less
I used to try to NOT rely on my sights at the range in the military. We wouldn't knock shit around much but I wanted to get myself to the point where I could shoot by instinct. When it was important though, i ALWAYS put a little dot of white out on the tip of my sight post so I could EASILY spot it in the sights and at night. It works. That gun metal grey /black of the M116 makes it real easy to lose the tip of the sight post in the dusk
The SS actually used Browning High Power as a sidearm after they took over the factory in Belgium i believe.
As a lefty I was told to do it as designed I now do alot buolth ways smoothly. Love the #4MK1
6:45 Karls K98 DMR scope begins to fall apart with each shot
good stuff as always
Love the challenge matches!!
The reason i like the 6.5 creedmore u can increase soldiers shots by 1/3
For same weight.
& Swap into pistol.
The duralense.
Run a u rail to protect.
Golly, those scopes look nice on a Mauser.
YEAH! Yugoslavia represent!
When I was a scrawny 14 year old cadet I used the SMLE for the first time. I also shoot left handed and the bolt handle is nicely placed to smack your lip. I never fired centre fire again until I was a scrawny 27 year old 🙄
Dude, very nice again!
I'm a huge fan of Forgotten Weapons, it's a shame that we can't have them here in the Netherlands. So with foam on my mouth i watch your great movies!
Go on with this really nice work :)
I really like this fearly unfair matches ! keep 'em coming !
Thats why training is important.
very nice match again, especially the parts, where you cut Karls and your footage in parallel were nice to watch
Must be difficult being a southpaw shooting a right handed gun. But you make it look easy.
Maybe next time you use the Enfield, you remove the magazine and reload it then replace in the rifle. This might prove quicker than single loading if you've only 1 mag!
Shaun O'Neill Unrealistic tho... spare mags were rarely, if ever issued with SMLE
@@williamflowers9435 I think what he meant was reloading into the mag instead of through the rifle
That is a very long eye relief on that German scope, I suppose it makes an extra narrow field of view. If not for the advantage of iron sights, the poor German sniper was probably still searching for a target while the Brit an Russian got off 2 shots.
Yes very humid its raining in southern utah 😱 very sick two of three of my favorite longer range rifles
My Dad loved his Lee in WW2. They were trained so well with the rifles, they could put so much lead downrange you would thing it was a machinegun and not bolt action rifles in the hands of a squad of Brit squaddies LOL
I used a Lee-Enfield IV Mk 1 on the range when I was in the South African Infantry and had no trouble hitting a 10" bull at 600m in the prone or standing positions. But I could only rarely manage that with the FN FAL (R1)!
Ian lost again... :( (I'm gonna go watch the FG-42 vs BAR instead)
BTW: He looks totally badass with this scoped .303!
I miss you guys being together!
The left hand sniper will have some trouble in the bolt of Lee-Enfield
I think we noticed the differences between the two snipers in the bolts Recycling
thanks a lot for that amazing video
I really like it
Would very much like to see one of these matches with Ian running a LH bolt action, pretty sure the results would be much closer! Being a lefty who shoots a K98k with a 2X Scout scope, I can attest to the effectiveness of the configuration.
Left hand in a K98? or you mean operating LH?