Outstanding documentary. Excellently well researched. So much data but still "tight" and economical in the narrative. I'd recommend for the newbie to the expert.
Ulitimately, the war was lost in the East and the Battle of Kursk in July 1943 ensured the German Wehrmacht would eventually face defeat. Both sides fought with incredible courage and absolute tenacity, especially ll SS Panzer Corps, under the dynamic leadership of Paul Hausser. However, the Red Army was transformed by the Summer of 1943 and demonstrated a grit determination that had been lacking previously. The poor leadership decisions by Hitler on the battlefield at Kursk certainly didn't help, in particular allowing the build up by Marshal Zhukov of the defence - in - depth within the salient, prior to the commencement of Operation Citadelle.
@historyatwar; Refer to my reply - posted moments ago at 1440Hr 4.9.24 AEST - to PP-ffnd's reply to my complimentary post, that you are plagiarising Wikipedia ! ! 🤣
This is what happens when Tyrants rule their Nations. Have we learned nothing in America?? Read a history book, become informed before you vote for tyrants.
@CrimeNLaw123you do realise games especially hell let loose, and Cod the old cods, used real WW2 Transmissions, the ones in the video are real radio communications. You can look it up your self.
@CrimeNLaw123 Fun fact, older CoDs used real communications from the war, the communications in the video are actual real ones. Similar to Hell Let loose, they also use real communications.
Now that I remember, some of the first Medal of Honor games also did this. They included historical footage to give the in game missions some context, never thought much of it back then but in retrospect it's pretty cool. @@historyatwar
I dont think these records are real. How did they manage to record that? On a Tape recorder?Audio recording was extremly expensive...Also it just don´t sounds somehow "real" for me. Im a native german speaker.
@@frogmanndust6065 Trying to liberate the Russians from their own criminal government that killed 20 000 000 of their own citizens, and starved millions of Ukrainians to death. The Germans always tried to civilize the Russians, Peter, Catherine the Great, the Volga Germans etc.
Seriously? This guy fails to assess the outcome of the battle properly while clearly siding with the Krauts. The narration makes it sound like ze Germans were on a Crusade or something. Whether the Battle of Prokhorovka is considered a draw or a Soviet victory depends on the perspective alright. In tactical terms, it might be seen as inconclusive or a pyrrhic Soviet victory due to high casualties. However, in strategic terms, it contributed significantly to the failure of the German offensive at Kursk, marking a turning point on the Eastern Front in favor of the Soviet Union. Thus, it is often seen as a "majority decision win" for the Soviets in the broader context of the Eastern Front.
@@historyatwar---- Too much detail about every unit big and small and their deployment. You make it sound like a chess or board game. In the heat of battle, it is not like that. Lots of other factors are ignored, like weaponry and competency. Also your English is too perfect. You think the average soldier, or even the officers, talked like that in their language? Lose an arm or leg or hand or foot or your sense and sanity and stability and see how fast your "lingo" changes...........
In the beggining the germans didnt really took the sovjets fr and acctualld belived that they attacked germany and therefore breaking the NAP wich hitler told them but acctually that was the complete opposite what happend irl. Also germans understood after some months that the sovjets would fight as much as possible so new stragethys are being used and more offensive brutal fights too, to encircle as many divisions as possible.
In the beggining the germans didnt really took the sovjets fr and acctualld belived that they attacked germany and therefore breaking the NAP wich hitler told them but acctually that was the complete opposite what happend irl. Also germans understood after some months that the sovjets would fight as much as possible so new stragethys are being used and more offensive brutal fights too, to encircle as many divisions as possible.
@@galilelollel9658the Soviets had 168 divisions on the border of Germany with their trains loaded on European gauge railroad tracks… the Soviets were preparing to invade, and Germany knew their only chance to beat them was to preemptively counterattack. That’s why operation Barbarossa happened so late in the year, they didn’t want to attack but felt they had no choice. The soldiers knew this, and they knew it was a battle for survival against overwhelming odds.
Such brilliant and informative analysis of the battle of prokhorovka. As the Narrator stated, "ladies and gentlemen it seems we thoroughly covered the aspects of this battle." Thank you for your easy to follow well explained research on such a complex subject.
Outstanding account of this battle. I really like the actual radio messaging. If factual I'm thinking the audio was polished up, I've wondered about the clarity of tank to tank communications given the technology of the time. Also, I've seen the numbers of Waffin SS units lost in battle. Unbelievable loss numbers!! In fact, these units had been bought back to strength on several occasions, but each time, the quality of grenadine infantry training had suffered. These men or young men boys were tough. I'm not taking away from the Russian tank guards' velour or training they were equally tough. Well done presentation!
I'm not sure with the clean up of the radio communication but the Germans had fm radio back then for the panzer divisions. Not an expert on this subject but my fathers uncles served in 2 of them divisions. Every thing was never told after the war,I on know what my father knew and wasn't much
Communication was good that time. But audio recording was expensive ;) Why should they record battlechat? Also for me,native speaker, it just doesn´t sound "real".
Does anybody realize who the SS were and how sadistic they were and what they would do to prisoners? Fanatics fighting to the death as no mercy would be shown to them. They massacred innocent civilians anywhere they fought or appeared. Who cares of their battles? They were given better equipment because of who and what they represented, total criminals they were hated by the regulars of Wehrmacht . Abandon the video games brain and see who they were: monsters
@@Attack-wl1xntbh if you just listen and remember the names for the signes on the map, you will understand of what he is talking about. In these videos you have to remember ALOT. Otherwise its just to hard. But this vid is long so at about 75% on this vid its gonna be hard as you hear too often the same names.
@@PP-ff8nd You wrote - @PP-ff8nd - "This is exactly the Wikipedia page narrated here. Even the maps used" You must have hard life as your comment sounds like it comes from a very nasty mind who likes to lie to upset people. I have compared this video to Wikipedia and the script is nothing like the text of the Wikipedia page. The video used NO maps that appear on Wikipedia. The only photo that both used was of General Rotmistrov. They both used the same photo as after I searched available photos of the General, this one was the only good image. You did not mention the other Wikipedia photos. One can not compare them as the video uses actual film, which wld have taken some time to collect. Most of the footage used is actually of the actual battle itself. this can be seen by the equipment, uniforms and the type and Ausführung of the tanks, halftracks and assult guns shown. Perhaps you, PP-ff8nd, are a failed documentary producer or would be historian? That, perhaps, is the reason you are so nasty. Robert Fraser Australia
Just found your channel. Very well done sir. Ill be going back and watching your older ones as well. Subscribed. Between you and Mark im set for awhile.
Mark felton just spews out mainstream talking points and doesn't dare to question them. Like how the Nazis managed to kill so many jews with an insecticide that has been scientifically proven to not harm anyone with exposures less than an hour.
All the Ferdinands (~90) were in the northern pincer as part of 9th Army and played no role in the southern pincer mentioned in this video. Ok, nice it was clarified in the video about 14 min in. Thanks for a great video. I've read many accounts of this battle in books and this presentation seems to be accurate in the detail it goes into.
It is astounding how competent, disciplined, fierce, tenacious and advanced the Germans were... fighting with single divisions taking on multiple entire Corps... insane...
30000 german soldiers were shot by their own military for an array of offences. Thats 2 divisions! Then family members were sent to concentration camps. So of course they fought to the end
@@surferdude8086 my man if they would have been on drugs all the time they would have collapsed after a week. Take it from a former specialist. Stop listening to propaganda.
Great video! Would love an equally in depth video on the battle of the Tannenberg Line, I think that battle of the "European SS" doesn't get nearly enough recognition!
Both sides were tuff, the Waffen ss were also tuff too. But because they were the losers they will always be looked at a step beneath many other soliders. Plus with,all the other things they,stood for, they,were tuff but in the end, their ideology failed,,and they were bombed into total submission. So they will,always be correctly looked at is losers, that's just the way it works. Thr loser never sits at yhe table of the winners,,and they shall never be allowed to,write the history books.
@@mu0FFpu0FF you're delusional if you think that. pacific was brutal too. western front was not that well defended by germans for long time so western allies had easy time there as 90% of german army was in the eastern front.
I just want to say that this channels videos are amazing. I am constantly rewinding and re-watching the videos cause of the visuals. Most every documentary has the same recycled and regurgitated clips and videos.. yet this channel somehow constantly has something I have never seen.... keep up the awesome job!!!! 👍 👌
Thank you for uploading this very exciting recounting of this epic battle! I was fascinated to hear that there were only 4 Tiger tanks with Leibstandarte and only 1 Tiger tank with Das Reich.
The report just outlines the importance of this weapon. "Totenkopf" having JUST ten of them, was able to proceed to offensive manuveurs and advance forward even though facing 2 soviet tank corps. Had the Germans had twice the number of Tigers available, they would have succeded...EASILY.
@@DarkLordGR9 I respectfully disagree with you. There doesn't appear to be any realistic way that the Germans could have truly prevailed in the Kursk operation. Even if the southern pincer under Manstein could have taken Prokhorovka, Model's northern pincer had already failed, and there is no way for the Germans to complete the encirclement. There is also arguments that Manstein never knew that there was another very powerful Soviet defensive line after Prokhorovka, and therefore winning at Prokhorovka would NOT have lead to a major breakthrough. It is important to not underestimate the lack of German infantry. There was insufficient German infantry, and they were absolutely exhausted by this point in the battle after endless brutal fighting for days on end with very little sleep (short Russian summer nights). Ultimately, there was just too much strength on the Soviet side to lose.
I barely got any… maybe like 3? for an hour video it isn’t bad. If this was on TV you’d get one every 10 minutes, these creators have to make their money somehow, stop complaining
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@@amewz4016 Doesn't work since Y-T upgraded their detection software.
Interesting that each SS Division had a company of Tigers with about 45 tanks overall total and around 1/3 fought the battle [rest had either broken down or hit a mine - all recovered and would fight again] with the Soviets claiming 70 Tigers knocked out.... a classic of all armies of over estimating in the heat of battle.
No, definitely Tiger tanks - all 3 x SS Divisions had a company of Tiger Tanks each. They also had panzer 3s & 4s, no Panthers. Although 3rd SS had 25 x captured T-34s grouped together. :)@@Nitroat-xo4tj
Actually the 3 SS divisions had 35 Tigers at the start of Zitadelle,but battle damage reduced the Tigers,the SS divisions used the Tigers and STUG 3s assault guns to spearhead the attacks and once the breach was made then the MK 3s and 4s would follow, this caused heavy damage to the Tigers only 4 Tigers were involved in prokhorovka battle they destroyed 30 yanks
@@desmondgriffith7855 Hi Desmond. My records show 13 Tigers with 1st SS; 14 with 2nd and 15 with 3rd SS. I suspect that there were 2 x more used as command tanks. Please let me know where is your figure of 35 from? Also not sure they'd use the Stugs out front in their wedge formation as they have a lot of long barrelled P4s for this job. :)
Excellent video. The Soviets typically took horrendous casualties, but had the ability to keep feeding men and machines into the effort where Germany could not.
@@datruth66392 Yes. You got shot if you tried to retreat, but my point was that even though the Germans were better and inflicted much more damage than they received, the Soviets could replace their losses. Stalin placed no value on his soldiers lives, and the military leadership sucked, but they won through numbers.
@@kenhill3230. If Germany had the same amount of equipment and soldiers. Where well supplied. No one could take them one on one. The Soviets would lose like 15 to 1. They didn’t care about there soldiers at all
@@kenhill3230 Many Russian solders did not need to be shot and were brave and fought for Russian motherland as Russians are the bravest soldiers. It wasn't that Stalin was upfront fighting and had disregard for his soldiers but that Russians are brave people. After 1943 Russian steam roller was unstoppable. I doubt that even France England and America fighting on a German side could have stoped it. For all of those that are arrogant enough to disagree with what I just mentioned let me add that at the battle of Berlin was surrounded with two and a half million Russians and altogether Russia had 11 million under arms PERIOD. No country in the world had that. Land power at it's best.
@@johnsecord8539 Very true as everything German was the best planes tanks but Germany was small and could not produce in numbers efficient enough to win! that's like saying if I won million dollars I could have a new house and much more but it'll never happen.
Sven Hassel-"Vido sam kako umiru"..posle te knjige jasno mi je puno toga oko Rusa.Odlični snimci rata, karta teritorija,ratna karta sa svim vojnim postrojbama..Odličan
It is important people understand the SS on the battlefield , The SS Waffen. They had nothing to do with concentration Camps.. I am Swedish and my Grand mothers brothers on my father side fought both In SS Wiking and one with the British and my mothers father was volunteering in Finland with the Germans against the invading Russians... The SS were totally committed and against all odds they did military operations that is unbelievable.
I am not a military expert,but I believe that the whole land of Kursk was full of mines laid by the Soviet,plus a triple line of defense, the logic was to let Soviets attack . They would not have attacked,since their own mines would have impeded them. The overconfidence of the German army led to their defeat. After crossing the 3rd line of defense, the three best armies of Germany ( Das Reich,Totenkopf,Leibstandarte) was already depleted. It is at that time that the Soviet launched their counterstroke. Germans forgot that through their many defeats,Soviets have gained much experience,besidestheir manpower was incommensurable. They had more reservists and the support of the allies. Manstein advocated a continuous counterattack after the 3rd victory of Kharkov,since the Soviet army was in disarray. The high command of the werhmacht told him to stop coz the Winter was harsh. It was a lost victory. The constant intervention of Hitler who was not in the frontline was a big mistake that embittered the great strategists of this operation (Manstein,Model,Von Kluge,Guderian...). Thé servile obedience of German Generals to Hitler led to defeat. Greetings from Cameroun.
Soviets would have and did send armor columns into minefields they laid for German tanks! Soviets Calling in air strikes against German armor knowing they would hit own forces was business as usual.
@@mu0FFpu0FFsure Berlin had a plan. Volga was the goal! And sure they could of won in the Soviet Union. Summer of 42' it was very close German forces cut the Union in two. Just read Stalins desperate communication with the Stavka during the period.
Poor germans, they should have known this whole battle was for nothing as the russians knew all about their plans in advance via the brits!!! And because of that there was hardly any element of surprise either!!!
I think you forgot the second part of that. Stalin didn't believe it as he thought Churchill was trying to trick him into joining the war with Britain. Even after Barbarossa had begun it took Stalin 3 days to admit that yes they were under attack. So yes they knew but no they did nothing with the knowledge.
As I had direct ancestors fighting there, it made me sad. Both my grandpa (German) and great uncle (Russian) very possibly fought each other there. They were civil at each other over holidays. My one question has been, could Von Manstine pulled off his plan? A wonderful documentary.
This video Another piece of bullshit propaganda that Hitler's decision June 13 to stop the offensive prevented success on the Battle of Kursk ...! The author of the video keep silent about "Operation Kutuzov", which the Russians launched on June 12, and broke through the German defenses... which threatened another "Stalingrad infernal cauldron" for the entire group of troops of "Operation Citadel"...
Was there ever talk of the war? Was there tension at the dinner table? Did they talk bad about one another in private? I find this fascinating and have so many questions. Greetings to you and your family. My grandpa was in Gen. MacArthur's Honor Guard. After the war in the Pacific, they went around to each unit and chose the best man to make up the Honor Guard. He never talked of the war, Iwo Jima scarred him. He was one tough SOB.
@@everydayhero5076 In front of us youngsters they were civil. They never talked about the war except once I (American public school) said a stupidly assanine comment about how mean the Germans and Russians were and got a paddling from them both. (Ah, lovely Thanksgiving memories.) I was afterwards told by my gran Bubbie, that Papa Boris had nightmares to the day he died.
@@donpfoutz625 Its good they kept it civil if front of you and the other children, no matter what their true feelings were. American public school taught me things that were flat out wrong or glossed over. We really didn't learn too much about Russia's contributions to the war. I suspect some of that had to do with the Cold War though it was the 80's after all. My grandpa had nightmares too. I'm sorry they had to go through that. May their memory and their deeds never be forgotten. Thank you for answering my questions.
I assume you couldn't find any radio communication between SS units. Because some of it is certainly not from the SS. Feldwebel is mentioned a few times, but the SS didn't use that title. Feldwebel is a squad leader, but in the SS, they used Oberscharführer.
I have seen a few short films & documentaries on that battle, Battlefield was probably the one that gave a proper assessment of the battle. Have to say that this one has to be the best one i have seen, for facts and explaining the reasons for the decision's both sides made during the battle. Thanks for the content pal. Maybe if detachment Kemph & Hoth moved sooner a different outcome, maybe. but they were instructed to mind the right flank of Mansteins core.
The soviets started their assault at 06:00 in the morning. Sounds pretty common in war for an attack to commence during dawn or dusk. When the sun goes down or up is usually when the enemy will attempt a surprise attack.
Attack at dawn gave the greatest amount of daylight to conduct operations. Most fighting would come to an end with night fall as the ability to fight in the dark was very limited.
An additional advantage for Soviets attack is the Sun at eastern horizon. Making it easier for Soviets to locate German targets on Western side. Even in antiquities armies with the sun behind them had an advantage over opposing armies.
Those numbers are insane. The Germans punched so far above their weight it’s quite incredible. Sadly, alas, Stalins quote of “quantity has a quality of its own” rings true all too often in scenarios on the Eastern Front of WW2.
@@alhinfadi667 The ole "Germans make good quality things" syndrome. Britain could produce a fighter jet at a fraction of the cost of the Germans. Germany then, and today, builds its industry on highly skilled crasftsmen, while Henry Ford and America built its industries on simplifying the tasks so uneducated people could do what Germany needed highly skilled craftsmen for. Now America and the allies could replace a draftee in the workplace easily, while Germany could not. Actually Germany lost the war on September1, 1939 when Great Britain declared war on it and embargoed oil shipments. Each economy Hitler conquered became a millstone because of lack of raw materials from outside the continent. Also, are you aware that the initial invasion of the USSR used captured French, British, Czech, etc. tanks because Germany did not have enough tanks made in Germany and the logistical spare parts system was a complete nightmare. This is what happens when you put socialists in charge of your nation like Germany did in 1933.
I subscribe to so many World War II channels on TH-cam it's ridiculous! But yours is in my top two along with the "Unauthorized History of the Pacific War." Excellent content and commentary with some footage and stills that many of us have never seen and some of these battles I've never even heard of! I love to hear the perspective from the German side. It shows that they weren't all the subhuman brutes that most of the Soviets were and of course, the SS, the Waffen SS, and the Einsengruppen were all in a class of degenerates that are going to be residing in the 9th circle of hell. War is truly hell, I know from personal experience, I was a US Marine with the 3/5 in Iraq from '05 to '07 and fought all the way up to and including Fallujah. So I get it but on the other hand when you lose your humanity what do you have left? I was discharged in 2008 and I'm still trying to rediscover my Humanity. My advice to my brothers in arms, my fellow Devil Dogs is to get into therapy and to talk. We have to talk this shit out or it's going to eat us alive from the inside out. The things that we did and saw no normal person should ever have to go through. So try to put the bottle down, lock your guns up or give them to a trusted friend and talk. Whether it's with buddies you served with or a professional you have to do it. There's no shame in it, only healing. I'm in therapy myself and it's working, it's slow and the process can be very slow and very painful but it is working. Keep your chins up Brothers. Semper Fi
Fantastic research, story telling, audio and although marginally repetitive, film footage. One thing which could be improved are unit/map graphics. Other than that, outstanding!
It must be noted that the germens who fought in the battle of Prokhoronka were some of the bravest men in the war. They fought against an endless wave of soviet men and equipment. This level of bravery is humbling.
Very true. No matter the rights and wrongs of conflict, the way the young men fought on all sides was unbelievable! Very very brave young men, and women!
Excellent this was always lacking in most histories of the Kursk battle.. Mansteins Lost Victories has very little combat detail.In fact the detail about the Crimea fighting was far better reported.Thanks for the show. BE BLESSED. IT is important that history is origenal as much as possible and where doubtfull it being so mentioned.Great work here well done.
Thanks for that, got to be the the most informative documentary I've ever seen on this Battle. O.K. I was only going to watch just a bit of it then go to bed, It's now 8 minutes to midnight and yes, I watched the whole thing. I will definately be watching more of your content. Thanks again, regards.... (An Edit P.S. If you could put a Compass on your maps that would be Brill. I was assuming that straight up was North, not sure though. Thanks.)
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Outstanding documentary. Excellently well researched. So much data but still "tight" and economical in the narrative.
I'd recommend for the newbie to the expert.
Ulitimately, the war was lost in the East and the Battle of Kursk in July 1943 ensured the German Wehrmacht would eventually face defeat. Both sides fought with incredible courage and absolute tenacity, especially ll SS Panzer Corps, under the dynamic leadership of Paul Hausser. However, the Red Army was transformed by the Summer of 1943 and demonstrated a grit determination that had been lacking previously. The poor leadership decisions by Hitler on the battlefield at Kursk certainly didn't help, in particular allowing the build up by Marshal Zhukov of the defence - in - depth within the salient, prior to the commencement of Operation Citadelle.
@historyatwar; Refer to my reply - posted moments ago at 1440Hr 4.9.24 AEST - to PP-ffnd's reply to my complimentary post, that you are plagiarising Wikipedia ! ! 🤣
80 years later, the very same fields are being drenched in blood once again...
We learned nothing
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@@KayArcher It always is!
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This is what happens when Tyrants rule their Nations. Have we learned nothing in America?? Read a history book, become informed before you vote for tyrants.
Hearing those radio communications gives me chills! Love that you incorporated those!
@CrimeNLaw123You beat me to it lol 🤣
@CrimeNLaw123you do realise games especially hell let loose, and Cod the old cods, used real WW2 Transmissions, the ones in the video are real radio communications. You can look it up your self.
@CrimeNLaw123 Fun fact, older CoDs used real communications from the war, the communications in the video are actual real ones. Similar to Hell Let loose, they also use real communications.
Now that I remember, some of the first Medal of Honor games also did this. They included historical footage to give the in game missions some context, never thought much of it back then but in retrospect it's pretty cool. @@historyatwar
I dont think these records are real. How did they manage to record that? On a Tape recorder?Audio recording was extremly expensive...Also it just don´t sounds somehow "real" for me. Im a native german speaker.
Wow, this is like those documentaries I used to watch back when DVDs were a thing.
DVD? For me it's TV and VCR back when Blockbuster was still a company to rent movies in the 9⁰s. †
You must be very young by your response. †
@@jonathannixon8652 yeah I was born in 2002. My dad used to have a collection of cassette tapes.
@@mazuro-nihahaha cassette tapes.....thats me 🥸😂👍
I threw out 1000 films. Players available!? Best stuff. Sad day.
same I spend hours watching those ww2 DVD sets
Thanks!
Thanks Robert! :)
These poor young men on both sides!
Just dam terrible 😢
what did "poor" germans do on Soviet land?
Politicians forced them to die.
@@frogmanndust6065 Trying to liberate the Russians from their own criminal government that killed 20 000 000 of their own citizens, and starved millions of Ukrainians to death. The Germans always tried to civilize the Russians, Peter, Catherine the Great, the Volga Germans etc.
Very few people have the experience as a soldier or basic intelligence to understand how little the common soldier has to do with politics.
The best pinpoint and magnified documentary on a (significant) segment of the Battle of Kursk I’ve yet seen. Top shelf, HistoryofWar. Top shelf.
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Another piece of bullshit propaganda that Hitler's decision to stop the offensive prevented success on the Battle of Kursk...
Seriously? This guy fails to assess the outcome of the battle properly while clearly siding with the Krauts. The narration makes it sound like ze Germans were on a Crusade or something. Whether the Battle of Prokhorovka is considered a draw or a Soviet victory depends on the perspective alright. In tactical terms, it might be seen as inconclusive or a pyrrhic Soviet victory due to high casualties. However, in strategic terms, it contributed significantly to the failure of the German offensive at Kursk, marking a turning point on the Eastern Front in favor of the Soviet Union. Thus, it is often seen as a "majority decision win" for the Soviets in the broader context of the Eastern Front.
@@historyatwar---- Too much detail about every unit big and small and their deployment. You make it sound like a chess or board game. In the heat of battle, it is not like that. Lots of other factors are ignored, like weaponry and competency. Also your English is too perfect. You think the average soldier, or even the officers, talked like that in their language? Lose an arm or leg or hand or foot or your sense and sanity and stability and see how fast your "lingo" changes...........
The most fascinating book I've yet read on it, is called "Citadel" by Robin Cross.
Wolf took out a Soviet general with a knife. That dude didn't play.
In the beggining the germans didnt really took the sovjets fr and acctualld belived that they attacked germany and therefore breaking the NAP wich hitler told them but acctually that was the complete opposite what happend irl. Also germans understood after some months that the sovjets would fight as much as possible so new stragethys are being used and more offensive brutal fights too, to encircle as many divisions as possible.
In the beggining the germans didnt really took the sovjets fr and acctualld belived that they attacked germany and therefore breaking the NAP wich hitler told them but acctually that was the complete opposite what happend irl. Also germans understood after some months that the sovjets would fight as much as possible so new stragethys are being used and more offensive brutal fights too, to encircle as many divisions as possible.
@@galilelollel9658nobody believed that.
@@galilelollel9658the Soviets had 168 divisions on the border of Germany with their trains loaded on European gauge railroad tracks… the Soviets were preparing to invade, and Germany knew their only chance to beat them was to preemptively counterattack. That’s why operation Barbarossa happened so late in the year, they didn’t want to attack but felt they had no choice. The soldiers knew this, and they knew it was a battle for survival against overwhelming odds.
Nope!! - didn't you hear!? It was with a dagger....an ss ehren-dagger!! Quite something else! (double-bladed)
amazing video mate
Excellent documentary. Very good mix of footage, dates and info, testimonies. Thank you!
Excellent documentary, thank you.
As a former radioman myself in an infantry unit, I knew the impact when radioman became casualty during engagement.
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Ernst Rohm went in knight long knives/1933...34
Why you put Rohm in video,he was S.A
Uh you speaking to us from the grave?
What war?
Outstanding presentation. Thank you.
Thank you! 🤝
Great video! Thank you for your work and uploading this!
Such brilliant and informative analysis of the battle of prokhorovka. As the Narrator stated, "ladies and gentlemen it seems we thoroughly covered the aspects of this battle." Thank you for your easy to follow well explained research on such a complex subject.
I absolutely love the use of real film in this! Super well done and please keep the vids coming❤
No real film of this battle survived. Everything used here is just typical WW2 b-roll
Same clips over and over on all these AI narrated channels. I’d rather have simple animations like The Operations Room.
Outstanding account of this battle. I really like the actual radio messaging. If factual I'm thinking the audio was polished up, I've wondered about the clarity of tank to tank communications given the technology of the time. Also, I've seen the numbers of Waffin SS units lost in battle. Unbelievable loss numbers!! In fact, these units had been bought back to strength on several occasions, but each time, the quality of grenadine infantry training had suffered. These men or young men boys were tough. I'm not taking away from the Russian tank guards' velour or training they were equally tough. Well done presentation!
It’s from a PC game Men Of War.
@@jerryhampton5755axis and allies 04pc too
I'm not sure with the clean up of the radio communication but the Germans had fm radio back then for the panzer divisions. Not an expert on this subject but my fathers uncles served in 2 of them divisions. Every thing was never told after the war,I on know what my father knew and wasn't much
Communication was good that time. But audio recording was expensive ;) Why should they record battlechat? Also for me,native speaker, it just doesn´t sound "real".
Does anybody realize who the SS were and how sadistic they were and what they would do to prisoners? Fanatics fighting to the death as no mercy would be shown to them. They massacred innocent civilians anywhere they fought or appeared. Who cares of their battles? They were given better equipment because of who and what they represented, total criminals they were hated by the regulars of Wehrmacht . Abandon the video games brain and see who they were: monsters
Probably one of the best WW2 battle documentarys I've seen on TH-cam
Too much detail about every unit. Just tell me what happened.
@@Attack-wl1xnagreed.
And showing the same video over and over…
@@Attack-wl1xntbh if you just listen and remember the names for the signes on the map, you will understand of what he is talking about. In these videos you have to remember ALOT. Otherwise its just to hard. But this vid is long so at about 75% on this vid its gonna be hard as you hear too often the same names.
Excellent presentation. One can see the many, many hours of work put into research and script writing.
Many thanks Robert🤝
Not really. This is exactly the Wikipedia page narrated here. Even the maps used.
@@PP-ff8nd interesting, I’ll check on that and come back to you?
Is that ok?
Robert
@@PP-ff8nd You wrote - @PP-ff8nd - "This is exactly the Wikipedia page narrated here. Even the maps used"
You must have hard life as your comment sounds like it comes from a very nasty mind who likes to lie to upset people.
I have compared this video to Wikipedia and the script is nothing like the text of the Wikipedia page.
The video used NO maps that appear on Wikipedia.
The only photo that both used was of General Rotmistrov. They both used the same photo as after I searched available photos of the General, this one was the only good image.
You did not mention the other Wikipedia photos. One can not compare them as the video uses actual film, which wld have taken some time to collect. Most of the footage used is actually of the actual battle itself. this can be seen by the equipment, uniforms and the type and Ausführung of the tanks, halftracks and assult guns shown.
Perhaps you, PP-ff8nd, are a failed documentary producer or would be historian? That, perhaps, is the reason you are so nasty.
Robert Fraser
Australia
Love the way the narrator pronounced the silent P in corp(s) then carried on with correct pronunciation. Well done! 🎉
He butchers many names and words too. 😅😅
Very well done on this friend. The footage the commentary. Excellent work.
Just found your channel. Very well done sir. Ill be going back and watching your older ones as well. Subscribed. Between you and Mark im set for awhile.
Thanks mate! Glad to have you here🤝
Mark felton just spews out mainstream talking points and doesn't dare to question them. Like how the Nazis managed to kill so many jews with an insecticide that has been scientifically proven to not harm anyone with exposures less than an hour.
My grandfather died Stalingrad 1943 Don river
I hope you find his story. Many memories are thrown out after generations pass away. Sad😢
Ruhe in Frieden.
My great uncle died either during or shortly after the second battle of kiev late 43 or early 44
Az inkább Voronyezs környéke.
Dicsőség a hősöknek🇭🇺
Stalingrad is on river Volga.
All the Ferdinands (~90) were in the northern pincer as part of 9th Army and played no role in the southern pincer mentioned in this video. Ok, nice it was clarified in the video about 14 min in. Thanks for a great video. I've read many accounts of this battle in books and this presentation seems to be accurate in the detail it goes into.
Excellent in depth analysis thank you
Amazing video, 👏 brother.
Thank you 🙌
Thanks for posting this ❤❤
Brilliantly researched and presented
It is astounding how competent, disciplined, fierce, tenacious and advanced the Germans were... fighting with single divisions taking on multiple entire Corps... insane...
Meth is one hell of a drug.
@@surferdude8086so is nationalism
30000 german soldiers were shot by their own military for an array of offences. Thats 2 divisions! Then family members were sent to concentration camps. So of course they fought to the end
@@surferdude8086the drugs played a minuscule role in their success.
@@surferdude8086 my man if they would have been on drugs all the time they would have collapsed after a week. Take it from a former specialist. Stop listening to propaganda.
Jaw-dropping documentary standing as a milestone with its extremely refined language used. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much🤝
Incredible ..... I'm a fan ! Liked and subscribed .....
Thanks Brian! Glad to have you here 🤝
Great video! Would love an equally in depth video on the battle of the Tannenberg Line, I think that battle of the "European SS" doesn't get nearly enough recognition!
Both sides were tuff, the Waffen ss were also tuff too. But because they were the losers they will always be looked at a step beneath many other soliders. Plus with,all the other things they,stood for, they,were tuff but in the end, their ideology failed,,and they were bombed into total submission. So they will,always be correctly looked at is losers, that's just the way it works. Thr loser never sits at yhe table of the winners,,and they shall never be allowed to,write the history books.
@@charliemunk2947 Like Rhein wiesen ?
Kto chce oceňovať ssákov
Nice colorization and content.
The eastern front was another beast wasn't it?
WW2:
Eastern front 90%
Western front 5%
Pacific theater 5%
They ate babies.
It still is.....
@@mu0FFpu0FF you're delusional if you think that. pacific was brutal too. western front was not that well defended by germans for long time so western allies had easy time there as 90% of german army was in the eastern front.
No doubt. Colonel Klink eyes!
I just want to say that this channels videos are amazing. I am constantly rewinding and re-watching the videos cause of the visuals. Most every documentary has the same recycled and regurgitated clips and videos.. yet this channel somehow constantly has something I have never seen.... keep up the awesome job!!!! 👍 👌
Thank you for uploading this very exciting recounting of this epic battle! I was fascinated to hear that there were only 4 Tiger tanks with Leibstandarte and only 1 Tiger tank with Das Reich.
The others were at the Berlin Zoo.
The report just outlines the importance of this weapon. "Totenkopf" having JUST ten of them, was able to proceed to offensive manuveurs and advance forward even though facing 2 soviet tank corps.
Had the Germans had twice the number of Tigers available, they would have succeded...EASILY.
@@DarkLordGR9 I respectfully disagree with you. There doesn't appear to be any realistic way that the Germans could have truly prevailed in the Kursk operation. Even if the southern pincer under Manstein could have taken Prokhorovka, Model's northern pincer had already failed, and there is no way for the Germans to complete the encirclement. There is also arguments that Manstein never knew that there was another very powerful Soviet defensive line after Prokhorovka, and therefore winning at Prokhorovka would NOT have lead to a major breakthrough. It is important to not underestimate the lack of German infantry. There was insufficient German infantry, and they were absolutely exhausted by this point in the battle after endless brutal fighting for days on end with very little sleep (short Russian summer nights). Ultimately, there was just too much strength on the Soviet side to lose.
@@davidk6269 Well, as it happens we'll never know.
@@DarkLordGR9 Agreed! We will never know. Great topic for endless what-if discussions.
the best analysis of the battle, really impressed, never seen before such truthfull and comprehensive overview of Prokhorovka battle
Interesting and thanks for your work.
Excellent and fascinating presentation. Well done. Though im getting ads literally every 5 minutes.. I set a timer.. That's too much.
Ever heard of addblock bro?
I only got 3? To be fair
@@amewz4016how do you use it?
Just get premium
Seems very trivial if you think about what these men had to go through..
My God, you absolutely killed it with all of the ADS you put in this one video, geez.
Ad block. You should try it lol
I barely got any… maybe like 3? for an hour video it isn’t bad. If this was on TV you’d get one every 10 minutes, these creators have to make their money somehow, stop complaining
@@amewz4016 Doesn't work since Y-T upgraded their detection software.
Works for me! Not a single add throughout the entire video :)
that was almost a month ago it works now
Excellent, well studied and profound analysis of the battle. Subscribed.
Thanks! Glad to have you here🤝
Subscribed as well
Another piece of bullshit propaganda that Hitler's decision to stop the offensive prevented success on the Battle of Kursk...
Dude this is super grade A quality chit, man.
Interesting that each SS Division had a company of Tigers with about 45 tanks overall total and around 1/3 fought the battle [rest had either broken down or hit a mine - all recovered and would fight again] with the Soviets claiming 70 Tigers knocked out.... a classic of all armies of over estimating in the heat of battle.
you meant panthers, not tigers.
No, definitely Tiger tanks - all 3 x SS Divisions had a company of Tiger Tanks each. They also had panzer 3s & 4s, no Panthers. Although 3rd SS had 25 x captured T-34s grouped together. :)@@Nitroat-xo4tj
Yes like at the western front everyone saw Tigers everywhere. Like they opened up a can of Tigers.
Actually the 3 SS divisions had 35 Tigers at the start of Zitadelle,but battle damage reduced the Tigers,the SS divisions used the Tigers and STUG 3s assault guns to spearhead the attacks and once the breach was made then the MK 3s and 4s would follow, this caused heavy damage to the Tigers only 4 Tigers were involved in prokhorovka battle they destroyed 30 yanks
@@desmondgriffith7855 Hi Desmond. My records show 13 Tigers with 1st SS; 14 with 2nd and 15 with 3rd SS. I suspect that there were 2 x more used as command tanks. Please let me know where is your figure of 35 from? Also not sure they'd use the Stugs out front in their wedge formation as they have a lot of long barrelled P4s for this job. :)
This is fine work, subbed!
Excellent video. The Soviets typically took horrendous casualties, but had the ability to keep feeding men and machines into the effort where Germany could not.
@@datruth66392 Yes. You got shot if you tried to retreat, but my point was that even though the Germans were better and inflicted much more damage than they received, the Soviets could replace their losses. Stalin placed no value on his soldiers lives, and the military leadership sucked, but they won through numbers.
@@kenhill3230. If Germany had the same amount of equipment and soldiers. Where well supplied. No one could take them one on one. The Soviets would lose like 15 to 1. They didn’t care about there soldiers at all
The statistics says alot, from what I've noticed soviet soldiers even hated their leaders at Berlin
@@kenhill3230 Many Russian solders did not need to be shot and were brave and fought for Russian motherland as Russians are the bravest soldiers.
It wasn't that Stalin was upfront fighting and had disregard for his soldiers but that Russians are brave people. After 1943 Russian steam roller was unstoppable. I doubt that even France England and America fighting on a German side could have stoped it. For all of those that are arrogant enough to disagree with what I just mentioned let me add that at the battle of Berlin was surrounded with two and a half million Russians and altogether Russia had 11 million under arms PERIOD. No country in the world had that. Land power at it's best.
@@johnsecord8539
Very true as everything German was the best planes tanks but Germany was small and could not produce in numbers efficient enough to win! that's like saying if I won million dollars I could have a new house and much more but it'll never happen.
The radio traffic in the beginning is from call of duty back in like 2002. Definitely shows the age of some of the commenters here haha.
Some of the beginning radio traffic came from call of duty 3 and medal of honor Frontline.
What’s been said?
What an awesome Documentary...Channel subscribed!
First rate all the way Best documentary of Kursk ever done.
Fantastic doc! I'd be really interested to know what your sources were?
Thanks
Excellent content
Sven Hassel-"Vido sam kako umiru"..posle te knjige jasno mi je puno toga oko Rusa.Odlični snimci rata, karta teritorija,ratna karta sa svim vojnim postrojbama..Odličan
It is important people understand the SS on the battlefield , The SS Waffen. They had nothing to do with concentration Camps.. I am Swedish and my Grand mothers brothers on my father side fought both In SS Wiking and one with the British and my mothers father was volunteering in Finland with the Germans against the invading Russians... The SS were totally committed and against all odds they did military operations that is unbelievable.
I love your channel the way you portray the history without virtue signalling is superb 👌🏻
My answer was right,I knew that you would do battle of prokhorovka
I just can’t say anything, just perfect mate!!👌🏻
I am not a military expert,but I believe that the whole land of Kursk was full of mines laid by the Soviet,plus a triple line of defense, the logic was to let Soviets attack .
They would not have attacked,since their own mines would have impeded them.
The overconfidence of the German army led to their defeat.
After crossing the 3rd line of defense, the three best armies of Germany ( Das Reich,Totenkopf,Leibstandarte) was already depleted.
It is at that time that the Soviet launched their counterstroke.
Germans forgot that through their many defeats,Soviets have gained much experience,besidestheir manpower was incommensurable.
They had more reservists and the support of the allies.
Manstein advocated a continuous counterattack after the 3rd victory of Kharkov,since the Soviet army was in disarray.
The high command of the werhmacht told him to stop coz the Winter was harsh.
It was a lost victory.
The constant intervention of Hitler who was not in the frontline was a big mistake that embittered the great strategists of this operation (Manstein,Model,Von Kluge,Guderian...).
Thé servile obedience of German Generals to Hitler led to defeat.
Greetings from Cameroun.
Soviets already knew about operation citadelle throuth spyionistic line 'Lucy' from Switzerland . The soviets were prepared..
Soviets would have and did send armor columns into minefields they laid for German tanks! Soviets Calling in air strikes against German armor knowing they would hit own forces was business as usual.
You're wrong. Victory was lost the day Germany invaded USSR. They had no real plan except to take Moscow.
@@mu0FFpu0FFsure Berlin had a plan. Volga was the goal!
And sure they could of won in the Soviet Union.
Summer of 42' it was very close German forces cut the Union in two.
Just read Stalins desperate communication with the Stavka during the period.
And yet Germany still failed to take Volga how unfortunate 😂😂@@uranusismightybig5111
Excellent documentary!
Wolf was a bad a$$ dude !
❤ Wolf 🤔 Tube - ""Wir Rufen deine WOLFE """
Amazing video and expert breakdown.
Thank you.
Hi, great vid
This channel is top quality 👌 love it
Poor germans, they should have known this whole battle was for nothing as the russians knew all about their plans in advance via the brits!!!
And because of that there was hardly any element of surprise either!!!
I think you forgot the second part of that. Stalin didn't believe it as he thought Churchill was trying to trick him into joining the war with Britain. Even after Barbarossa had begun it took Stalin 3 days to admit that yes they were under attack. So yes they knew but no they did nothing with the knowledge.
Please elaborate on how the British knew anything about the battle at Kursk.
@@ciaranryan5265 They punch through Enigma coding machine.
@@stevem2323😂😂😂😂
U are probably English. 😂😂😂
Russians was digging 4-6 month and Germany knows what they doing. Wasn’t secret.
Outstanding video!
As I had direct ancestors fighting there, it made me sad. Both my grandpa (German) and great uncle (Russian) very possibly fought each other there. They were civil at each other over holidays. My one question has been, could Von Manstine pulled off his plan? A wonderful documentary.
This video Another piece of bullshit propaganda that Hitler's decision June 13 to stop the offensive prevented success on the Battle of Kursk ...! The author of the video keep silent about "Operation Kutuzov", which the Russians launched on June 12, and broke through the German defenses... which threatened another "Stalingrad infernal cauldron" for the entire group of troops of "Operation Citadel"...
Was there ever talk of the war? Was there tension at the dinner table? Did they talk bad about one another in private? I find this fascinating and have so many questions. Greetings to you and your family.
My grandpa was in Gen. MacArthur's Honor Guard. After the war in the Pacific, they went around to each unit and chose the best man to make up the Honor Guard. He never talked of the war, Iwo Jima scarred him. He was one tough SOB.
@@everydayhero5076 In front of us youngsters they were civil. They never talked about the war except once I (American public school) said a stupidly assanine comment about how mean the Germans and Russians were and got a paddling from them both. (Ah, lovely Thanksgiving memories.) I was afterwards told by my gran Bubbie, that Papa Boris had nightmares to the day he died.
@@donpfoutz625 Its good they kept it civil if front of you and the other children, no matter what their true feelings were. American public school taught me things that were flat out wrong or glossed over. We really didn't learn too much about Russia's contributions to the war. I suspect some of that had to do with the Cold War though it was the 80's after all. My grandpa had nightmares too. I'm sorry they had to go through that. May their memory and their deeds never be forgotten. Thank you for answering my questions.
von Manstine??? His name was Erich von Manstein.
Outstanding documentary. Great History for those who are interested!
Thank you so much🤝
Great video! Love the combat chatter.
Thank you! 🤝
I assume you couldn't find any radio communication between SS units. Because some of it is certainly not from the SS. Feldwebel is mentioned a few times, but the SS didn't use that title. Feldwebel is a squad leader, but in the SS, they used Oberscharführer.
The radio audio is from Men of War and Call of Duty 2 funnily enough
Super video
I have seen a few short films & documentaries on that battle, Battlefield was probably the one that gave a proper assessment of the battle. Have to say that this one has to be the best one i have seen, for facts and explaining the reasons for the decision's both sides made during the battle. Thanks for the content pal. Maybe if detachment Kemph & Hoth moved sooner a different outcome, maybe. but they were instructed to mind the right flank of Mansteins core.
Thank you so much 🤝
Excellent still-motion photography photos enabling viewers to better understand what the orator is describing.
The soviets started their assault at 06:00 in the morning. Sounds pretty common in war for an attack to commence during dawn or dusk. When the sun goes down or up is usually when the enemy will attempt a surprise attack.
Attack at dawn gave the greatest amount of daylight to conduct operations. Most fighting would come to an end with night fall as
the ability to fight in the dark was very limited.
An additional advantage for Soviets attack is the Sun at eastern horizon. Making it easier for Soviets to locate German targets on Western side. Even in antiquities armies with the sun behind them had an advantage over opposing armies.
A balanced depiction.
Very well explained.
Thank you.
I was watching a commercial and a documentary broke out 😂
Excellent video!
Kein Spaß - Ganz Brutal
Superb documentary excellent stuff 👍
The Soviets lost over 1200 tanks in this battle to Germany's 100. Stalin was very angry.
Those numbers are insane. The Germans punched so far above their weight it’s quite incredible. Sadly, alas, Stalins quote of “quantity has a quality of its own” rings true all too often in scenarios on the Eastern Front of WW2.
@AugustusCaesar88 what if quality came with quantity with german in that time
@@alhinfadi667 The ole "Germans make good quality things" syndrome. Britain could produce a fighter jet at a fraction of the cost of the Germans. Germany then, and today, builds its industry on highly skilled crasftsmen, while Henry Ford and America built its industries on simplifying the tasks so uneducated people could do what Germany needed highly skilled craftsmen for. Now America and the allies could replace a draftee in the workplace easily, while Germany could not.
Actually Germany lost the war on September1, 1939 when Great Britain declared war on it and embargoed oil shipments. Each economy Hitler conquered became a millstone because of lack of raw materials from outside the continent. Also, are you aware that the initial invasion of the USSR used captured French, British, Czech, etc. tanks because Germany did not have enough tanks made in Germany and the logistical spare parts system was a complete nightmare. This is what happens when you put socialists in charge of your nation like Germany did in 1933.
@@Austrian-Painter-88 Yes, Germany made 5000 tanks during the war, the USA made 50,000.
Nazi propaganda.
Excellent film 👏
I subscribe to so many World War II channels on TH-cam it's ridiculous!
But yours is in my top two along with the "Unauthorized History of the Pacific War."
Excellent content and commentary with some footage and stills that many of us have never seen and some of these battles I've never even heard of! I love to hear the perspective from the German side. It shows that they weren't all the subhuman brutes that most of the Soviets were and of course, the SS, the Waffen SS, and the Einsengruppen were all in a class of degenerates that are going to be residing in the 9th circle of hell.
War is truly hell, I know from personal experience, I was a US Marine with the 3/5 in Iraq from '05 to '07 and fought all the way up to and including Fallujah.
So I get it but on the other hand when you lose your humanity what do you have left?
I was discharged in 2008 and I'm still trying to rediscover
my Humanity.
My advice to my brothers in arms, my fellow Devil Dogs is to get into therapy and to talk.
We have to talk this shit out or it's going to eat us alive from the inside out.
The things that we did and saw no normal person should ever have to go through. So try to put the bottle down, lock your guns up or give them to a trusted friend and talk.
Whether it's with buddies you served with or a professional you have to do it. There's no shame in it, only healing.
I'm in therapy myself and it's working, it's slow and the process can be very slow and very painful but it is working. Keep your chins up Brothers. Semper Fi
Very well presented fast flowing without ums arhs.
Truly the best video presentation as well as the most.a accurate presentation of this quite complex subject.
Awesome video, quite a story... very informative and interesting, thx!
Fantastic research, story telling, audio and although marginally repetitive, film footage. One thing which could be improved are unit/map graphics. Other than that, outstanding!
Thank you so much! 🤝
It must be noted that the germens who fought in the battle of Prokhoronka were some of the bravest men in the war. They fought against an endless wave of soviet men and equipment. This level of bravery is humbling.
Men like this has not been seen since the days of the Vikings and Spartans
Very true. No matter the rights and wrongs of conflict, the way the young men fought on all sides was unbelievable! Very very brave young men, and women!
Outstanding presentation.
Excellent this was always lacking in most histories of the Kursk battle.. Mansteins Lost Victories has very little combat detail.In fact the detail about the Crimea fighting was far better reported.Thanks for the show. BE BLESSED. IT is important that history is origenal as much as possible and where doubtfull it being so mentioned.Great work here well done.
Thank you!! 🤝
Well earnt !@@historyatwar
Excellent Documentary
The Hell of Prokhorovka
You remember it like yesterday
And so does Pepperidge Farms.
😂😂😂
Family guy
Very good commentary and mixage the only downside were many repeated phrases
War before drones
Scott Buckley in the background is so fire 🔥
Just pure and accurate historical narration, no BS and favorable comments.
10/10. Quality music choice too.
“City of Prokhorovka” 😂
This is so intresting,good to watch.would love to hear from the soldiers who lived through these battle.warriors.
War is Brutal
Lot of evolving dynamics going on here - it's like things keep changing in a battle and one has to adapt. Who would have thought!
Thanks for that, got to be the the most informative documentary I've ever seen on this Battle.
O.K. I was only going to watch just a bit of it then go to bed, It's now 8 minutes to midnight and yes, I watched the whole thing. I will definately be watching more of your content. Thanks again, regards....
(An Edit P.S. If you could put a Compass on your maps that would be Brill. I was assuming that straight up was North, not sure though. Thanks.)
Great video as always