Anyone else imagining that shirt going all the way to the ground? I bought a 2015 Leaf (24Kwh) last September for €12K. The savings on diesel covered about 60% of the loan repayments. 4 year loan term, so after 5-6 years it has paid for itself completely.
Similar position here, 2nd hand Leaf for the price of a Golf; and add to the savings - no road tax, hardly any maintenance. With battery price dropping 15% year-on-year I figure by the time the pack is worn @2025, getting a long range replacement will give a further 10 years of cheap, reliable motoring.
@@benburton3496 Why would it? The price of renewables are dropping and grid power is having to compete with cheaper and cheaper residential off-grid technologies.
@@benburton3496 The price of Diesel and Gas have been going up for years. Only under the extraordinary situation the price of oil is dropping because of cratering demand.
@@benburton3496 6Kw on the roof, with the sunny days atm, I use 10Kwh and the remaining 30Kwh goes to the grid. When I get an electric car, I hope it will have V2G and then that will make money too...
I was looking at electric cars for sale on UK AutoTrader the other day, when it occured to me that I could buy a 3 or 4 year old Nissan Leaf for around £5,000 and upgrade the battery and software for around another £3,000. This would basically give me a new car with modern tech and much longer range and power. Robert, maybe you could do something like this as a Live Project on the show? Not all of us out here in Ordinaryville Land can afford to spend upwards of £25,000+ on a brand spanking new car. When electric vehicles cost less than 10K for something decent, there will be a much greater take up of them. Keep up the good work Fully Charged......
If you can find a 4yr old Nissan leaf for £5k which wasnt a million mile taxi then snap it up! Cheapest on Autotrader is £9k. You can get a 2011 for £5k so for £8k you'd have a nearly decade old car with all its associated problems.
Yes, loved the graphics and great and useful episode. I’m sure that the Corsa-e is cheaper than the e208 though ... so think that should have been in the list
@@barryamorris TBF, it was partly a joke. I obviously haven't done many miles in the last ten weeks - a few trips to the shops and to deliver shopping to my parents, so probably no more than about 30 or 40 miles. In total, I've done a bit over 8000 miles since I bought it, and the best range I've had is over 200 miles in the summer, and about 135 miles in the winter. All depends on how fast I go and the types of road I'm driving on. It doesn't fare all that well on motorways.
@Theodossis Theodossiou Recycling batteries would be a bit stupid. There are multiple companies working on techniques to refurbish LiPo batteries chemically, in the meanwhile it's best to use old lower-capacity batteries as buffers for electric overcapacity (from renewable energy sources). Also, a well treated modern battery can last a good lot longer than 6 years. I'm still running rechargeable NiMH batteries in my flash and LiPO in my cameras, a few of those are over 12 years old. They're still fine, although a bit less powerful than in the beginning.
Actually, the best way to get rid of petrol and diesel is to stop driving cars at all. It's not because no smoke comes out the back that an electric car has no emissions. Even if you would put no engine in it at all, a car is already bad for the environment. Think about why you'd want to move anywhere between 1 and 2 metric tonnes of steel for transporting 1 person in most cases. I live in a busy metropolitan area, and have started cycling all trips up to about 35 miles, if I have to go there alone. What's most confronting is that with a fast human powered bicycle, the travel time doesn't even change. I understand not everybody wants to sport like I do, but electric bikes exist. Some people need to travel further; for this I still have a petrol car. Last time I drove it was May 28th, over a week ago. My car is tiny, but still weighs over 900 kg. Even an electric bike is less than your bodyweight, and could do 50 mph with less power than a kilowatt. We need to start changing the rules of the game.
@Theodossis Theodossiou "all electric vehicles are a myth as c02 is more than petrol version" It's amazing that you conspiracy nuts never get tired of barfing up the same debunked fantasies that you have read on blogs. People are laughing at you, seriously. Stop humiliating yourself.
Here is a Virtual Hug from us all at RZOC :) Zoe is winning hearts of all the people lately. Now i am finally living with the new R135 i am totally amazed how the build quality and drive has changed with the new Zoe compared to the older Zoes. Even seeing it in the flesh back in June last year owning and driving it is on another level.
Great video, very informative. After considering all available options and doing thorough research over 14 months, the best option for me was (without a doubt) the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. My previous car was a 2008 Prius T-Spirit which I had for 10 years. I live in central London and my commute is 7 miles each way. I can do the commute easily on One charge without using petrol - even 2 days is very doable on one charge. I charge at home at night when it's cheaper. No congestion charge, Zero road tax, low insurance (cheaper than the Prius) and best of all I can do long trips to see family, without any range anxiety, 45MPG on the motorway is _pretty_ good! Also I can charge using a fast charger in loads of places.
Being a TH-cam member is easy and painless. I totally recommend it. I support only one channel, this is that channel. May not have the funds to buy an electric vehicle or a house with solar panels, but I can support the great work being done here. It’s so important that all this information is easy to digest. Thank you Fully Charged Crew.
I'm a bit confused... Buying a new electric car while the old one was sufficient kind of ruins the Sustainability thought, doesn't it? I have a ZE 40 and i'm not planning to sell it until it gets too small for my family...
@@kooooons The old car isn't going to be scrapped. It allows for someone else to get into the EV world without having to buy a brand new car. My decision to upgrade to the newest one was based on a few things. Firstly, I didn't want to hang on to a car with a battery lease as I have a feeling they may be difficult to sell in the future. Secondly, my working situation changed which meant that I would be going over my agreed mileage, and this gave me an easy opportunity to change that. Thirdly, while I've definitely enjoyed driving the ZE40, mine is only capable of 22kW charging speeds. Its summer 200+ mile range has been great, but I've still felt a little bit limited. Adding another possible 50 miles and 50kW rapid charging will open up my ability to go on longer trips. It's possible (maybe even probable) that I might change it again once the PCP on this one comes to an end, because the final payment is pretty expensive. It will depend on how I feel in 3 or 4 years time.
This video is how I originally found out out about the MG ZS ev, we bought it soon after and it's great day to day, in a few days time we're about to go on our first long roadtrip and rely on the charge network it's abit frightening but I'm sure everything will be all good. But thank you for showing me this amazing car!
I'm an Electrical Contractor and use a Dacia Stepway for my work and look forward to the Dacia Spring (Renault Kwid) EV Car to replace mine at its earliest opportunity. I can pay for the lease with what I spend on fuel alone.
Bought a 2015 Leaf 24kw a few months ago for £7.5k and bloody love it. 80 mile range is good enough for our requirements. The fuel savings are covering the loan repayments. WIn, Win.
All good stuff from the Bobby Llew public information service. Just need to be a bit realistic on the difference between quoted maximum and in practice DC charging rates. My e-Niro is rated at 100 kW and in 14 months I’ve only ever used 50 kW chargers on long runs. Best I’ve ever seen is 44 kW charging speed in the summer, in winter it drops a bit. I did use an Ionity charger in December last year which was my chance to see it what it could do at its highest rated capacity. Result was 54 kW top, though it was cold. Other e-Niro owners in the UK (I’m in France) have said their maximum was 77 kW in summer..I’ve never found it a problem though as with the range of cars like the e-NIro, Zoe 50 and the e-208 the range of the car is longer than I can drive before needing a break.
Excellent review Robert. As you say, everyone doesn't need a 300 mile range car. My daughter has got a second gen leaf and it's 80 miles is adequate for work and shopping. Must say that i am loving my MG EV.
We have been driving our Zoe for about 1and 1/2 years. Love it! Real knobs and switches! Charging at home is so easy and economical. The low speed warning noise is annoying and uninspired. Why not a few downloadable choices? I'd like a putt putt sound, something like a 100 yr old car. No matter, I can't imagine buying any car but an electric.
@@Pr3sarioVSU I've only had mine a month, so no issues. The only negative I would say is the lack of timed charging. I already had a home charger so am sticking with what I've got for now but if it's your first EV then you can get smart cables that you can set timed charging schedules.
All batteries prefer warmer temperatures, that's why when as a fork truck engineer, like me, you need to take into account the ambient temperature when doing cell load tests and specific gravity readings. Once you start heading below 20°c the dissipation of the cell charge drops and if the cell is faulty ,it will drop dramatically.
Wow, production values continue to improve with each new episode! That "carnival car race" animation was top notch! Glad this channel is doing as well as it is because it is well earned.
With lock down on and only driving to the shop to get food and back, I last charged my 2018 LEAF on Easter Monday and it's still 85% charged and cost around 28p to run. Such fun! I still have a number of people saying to me that they're interested in EVs, but cars in these price ranges are too expensive still...
I'd've liked an EV van option too, but having most art fairs cancelled this year is forcing me to think about selling my trailer and tent, and putting my ware up for sale exclusively online.
The new Peugeot Expert, Citroën Jumpy, Vauxhall Vivaro and Toyota Proace vans have a 230 or 330 km range and 1 tonne or 1275 kg payload depending on version. The rebadged Toyota version, being sold as a Toyota, comes with a 15 years / 1 million km warranty for the battery. This is what you miss when you live in the US :D
@@paname514 but how much of it will get broken in transit through the postal and delivery services. Judging on how some of my purchases have been handled, i wouldn't order anything that breakable online.
Was in an old village outside of Amsterdam, they had chargers in the street. Don't need to be rapid, as car has all night to charge so the charger was unobtrusive. This is what is needed for all those living in flats or terraced houses.
For those of us living in suburbia, with a couple of very reliable (bought and paid for years ago) Japanese built cars - one a 1.4l petrol, the other a 2.2l diesel - the prices of any replacement cars never looks attractive. We'll see how things have evolved by 2025.
Don’t mean to be critical because I love Fully Charged, but... bit odd to do top speed rather than acceleration. The mini probably stands out for performance really.
@@douglasdepirro8364 The closest you get is the Smart ForTwo/ForFour as they're Mercedes and Renault in partnership - in Europe etc it's also sold as the Twingo.
Hi Robert, another cracking episode as always! In this video and others, you touch upon leasing an EV rather than buying one, I was wondering if you would consider doing an episode talking about leasing an EV (as you do with your Tesla) and discuss costs, benefits, downsides, savings etc? Keep up the good work!
I think "Affordable" should definitely be in quotes in this video. I love electric cars, but the pricing is still ridiculous for most people. Even the cheapest car is double its petrol counterpart. Whoever brings out the first sub £10k car with 150+ miles range will bring forth the electric car revolution.
Hey you're the junkyard wars guy. It took me a while to figure out who you are. You are the BEST! I apologize for what my country did to your television show! I loved your show before it got over-produced by the scum of my nation haha. Anyway God bless. Hope I can find an equivalent video for American electric cars since our selection is relatively limited.
Love this, anyway you could do a 'USA' version of this? As sadly most of these cars are not even available in the US? Would love to share it with friends here who constantly think all EV's cost 100k.... Of course the other caveat is availability, while good cars like the Kona EV etc are hard to find or only sold in certain states. So maybe it's a bit too complicated in that respect... hmmm. Wish the Zoe was sold here, would sell well I imagine.
Hi Bobby, I hope that you and your family are keeping well during lock down. I've been subscriber to your channel since 2010 and just ordered my first electric vehicle. Your shows have always been fantastically interesting and have proven to be hugely influencial in my choice to move away from the ICE. Genuine thanks for all that you have done, and all that you continue to do in the name of clean energy, solar power and electric vehicles. Today, I ordered a new Tesla and was wondering who I could ask for a referral code.... Then, yesterday evening, whilst watching this very video, it occured to me that you, more than anybody deserve the benefit of whatever the referral scheme brings (free miles?) I'd buy you a pint, but social distancing doesn't allow that currently. Oh, I've just joined your channel as a green member (coincidentally my nickname at school) too. So, I'm definitely NOT trying to be a creepy fanboy. BUT, I thought I'd ask you first. All the best and keep up the sterling work. Damian
I'm curious to know why you always recommend the VW Up so much. I appreciate its a great car, but isn't the Skoda Citigo essentially the exact same car but considerably cheaper?
The Volkswagen is just a more quality product, the sound proofing is better and the ride is better and the materials look nicer, you’re paying for the extra quality
I've wanted the Zoe ever since they came out with the ze40. Then I saw the ze50. But like always I have to remember that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S. and then I'm sad again. Robert couldn't you use your connections to try to get Renault to boot back up in the U.S. markets again? All you would have to do is show them the comments section of all of your videos about Renault cars and all the people who say they would buy one if they were available in the U.S. Anyway thanks again for the videos and all you do, Doug.
I hate that I'm unable to drive. I would love to travel to work and back, shopping and just drive around. I would love to experience driving an electric car. I definitely encourage all to go electric.
What seems like aeons ago, you did a show featuring a static storage liquid-flow battery system in Australia, but never did a follow-up. Since then, all the talk about static storage has been Tesla Powerwall. Which has always seemed kind of _off_ to me, using a brand-new vehicle-grade lithium ion battery system for static storage. It just seems like a mismatch between tool and job. At the very least, it would seem to make more sense to repurpose retired vehicle batteries, which aren't quite good enough for the automotive purpose but have plenty of life left in them to serve for static storage - and put all the brand-new batteries into vehicles to get all of that usefulness out of them first. But since the job of static storage is so completely different to the job of moving vehicles around at high rates of speed and acceleration, it seems to me that an entirely different tool - such as liquid flow - might be better suited to do that job. I'd like to get some updated information about how various flow technologies are doing. (There's a company making liquid flow batteries in Hayward, CA, right next door to world-famous Fremont, that you might have a look at.)
I believe they are about twice the price of lithium ion and take up more space. They're concentrating on niche applications where long life and long stand down times are required such as backup power for communication towers, water pumps that kind of thing.
@@MrGonzonator taking up more space isn't really that big a problem with static storage - that's part of what I meant about the right tool for the right job. As for "twice the price" that's where the longer life, and the absence of all the issues that lithium ion batteries have with dendrites and what-not, factor in - presumably the price you're referring to is per unit of energy storage, but that's not necessarily the most important number. And all the things that make them useful for the "niche" applications you list ought to make them useful for microgrid service, such as powering an apartment building (with multiple units and cars in the garage) or perhaps a city block, I would think.
@@dwc1964 whichever is best technically and economically will win out I guess. Maybe there will be applications for both of these technologies and others in the future.
@@MrGonzonator What you said at the end there - that's all I'm saying. It's not a matter of "win" and "lose", it's a matter of different tools for different jobs. My OP was a request to this here channel to provide an informed, updated look at developments in the field and what we might expect to come.
The battery on my mobile phone loses its ability to hold a charge in time... do the car batteries have the same issue and if so how much is a new battery
I just recently drove a Renault Zoe ZE50 R135, and was surprised how nippy and nice it was to drive. Renault have really made a progress in recent years. It's still too expensive for the average consumer though, in Finland at least. I drive a gasoline VW up, and can confirm, and that is a nice car as well.
Good morning Robert. Affordable is the thing for Australia. One of the reasons I support Fully Charge is because Brutish and Britain drive on the sides of the road as we do down in OZ. You not possessed by car speed, range or size as the US is. I would still like to by Tesla they have the technology and will be first to be Autonomous, maybe second hand Tesla.
I sincerely hope that Fully Charged take a look at buying a second hand electric car soon. I for one would love a series like Maddie’s but for second hand electric car. And bonus points if the buyer can’t charge at home. :)
Robert, it is going to be interesting to see what effect the THING has on new EV car sales ! I am sure many have been saving up to buy one and now, due to the lockdown, many will have had to eat into those savings and therefore not be able to purchase a new car at the moment. What I find very strange is some manufacturers would sooner hand over large amounts of cash to Tesla, than discount their cars in order to meet the emissions requirement set by the EU. Something else to take into account is how much the manufacturers are going to discount all the ICE vehicles, just to get rid of them and also considering how cheap fuel is at the moment !
So twice the VW but no Leaf? By the way, I didn't recharge my Leaf since 15th March, and the battery is still full (just to say that your comment about the Zoe is meaning less in current time).
I think the radio and badges and screen options probably a few other bits are different, but essentially, yes. And the Skoda is a lot cheaper than the VW.
Can you please do a similar video about second hand EV’s? I’m currently saving and trying to decide between the Zoe or a bmw i3 but I’m waiting for lockdown to pass before I go to showrooms
Really could video concept. Another one it'd be good to see is which *used* EV makes a good buy. Would love to get a used Zoe as my next car, but the fact that a lot of the used ones are on battery lease is a real deal-breaker. 24kw/h Leafs are a bit limited on range and the earlier (more affordable!) ones had the iffy battery chemistry. Miev/Ion/C-Zero are lovely cars (I had one, and absolutely loved it) but again, low range, though super practical and bulletproof mechanics. Golf GTE maybe?
For 5 years I was taking a taxi to go back home from work in China. And usually the car is an electric BYD. It is so cheap for long time that even taxi can use it! It is cheaper than all mentioned here models.
I bought a 2017 XC60 D4 16 months ago, I drive 230 km everyday for my commute to work, car loan+insurance+road tax+around 300 liters of fuel+service agreement, all together cost me $1100-1200 every month here in Sweden. I calculated my costs if I buy a new 2020 Hyundai Kona electric 64 KWh Premium+, my costs dropped to less than $800/month and when I receive the government EV bonus of about $6000 after 6 months of ownership and pay it directly to the bank to reduce loan amount, costs will drop to around $700/month, that includes the loan, insurance and charging costs. The car costs less to change tires, less to change brake pads and it just makes sense, so I guess I am buying one...
Vw/seat/Skoda are the same car with different trim!. I think you'd struggle getting four people in any of those except the mg zs. The Nissan leaf is next size up and built in the UK.😀
Hi Robert, Great Video’s By The way. You Forgot About The e-Corsa from Vauxhall/Opal It's a Fantastic Looking Car, I’m Sure It Is On Par With The Peugeot e-208 (Brother). Never mind Prehaps You’ll Consider It next time Then!
I need to get a new car (lease) in a few months and that Zoe looks like a great option. Only downside is that charging might be an issue, so then I start looking at petrol cars again. Still a tough one.
Great video - thanks for posting. I'm really looking forward to being able to test drive the new VW ID3 - it looks and sounds brilliant! No idea when they will be hitting UK dealerships but hopefully fairly soon. I believe the 1st Edition quota for the UK is already sold out so looking like it's going to be next year before I'd be able to take delivery of one.
Copies of the EPA and WLTP drives cycles are available. Where do I get a copy of the “real world range” drive cycle? I prefer to know range on the former cycles, for valid comparisons no matter who runs the test.
Great video thanks! Was gutter as I wanted to go to the fully charged show this year. I am personally waiting for the seat el born and will trade in my diesel focus for it.
I have a year and a half to go on the lease on my 3008 HDi. Will be looking to lease an e208 or e2008 next. Probably the e2008 as it is far roomier and space to store the cable under the boot floor.
Next time, please also compare the Sono Motors Sion. It's maybe a little behind on range, but otherwise it's very affordable and extremely practical for a family car, including a trailer hitch which is still very rare on EV's. Plus it's got solar cells integrated in the body. Personally I need a longer range for the frequent weekend trips to the holiday house, but otherwise I would have ordered one already... To be fair, they are not yet available, but they did recently raise €53 million, so a good chance that they will be delivered soon.
Kryten, we need these cars in the United States! We've got a couple of options but either range is crap, or price is outrageous. i'm looking at a used Chevy Bolt, but I'd like other options...
It would be nice if you could do a top 10 affordable electric bikes comparison too, as I'm thinking the electric bicycle/tricycle route is going to be more practical for families on a really tight budget. Soon there will be no point in HS2. hmm.
😊⚡ Very nice listing and I'm always happy to see our Skoda Citigo iv (i not 1) making the list. Super nice EV. Some of the cars on the list not available everywhere yet, though.
I really like the comparison, but I do miss one thing: how far can you drive on a kWh (or similar)? I can make a huge difference in time when driving a lot. Maybe a used car comparison can also be very interesting for lots of people.
I am in the market for a city car now... something like the P208 but unfortunately you are not able to get any here in Texas. The ones available are the ones that are mid size or larger and all of them cost $50+K if you get them as you want them. I believe the Leaf and the Chevy Bolt are available here... but neither one of those attract my attention sadly. I know manufacturers look at the US as a cash cow where everyone can spend lots of money if they want to... but some of us are just looking for a secondary car for short trips around town, no more than 50 miles per day if that much. I have two other cars that would do fine traveling across the State (very large) or even across country (even larger).
Gareth, great show and episode. We are looking for a small EV that I can take down our muddy lane. We live in a rural area so we need some ground clearance and 4WD ability. I dont want a huge SUV. There seems not to many option in the small SUV/crossover world that does not break the bank.
Hi Robert, You should compare "apple's with apple's", these cars have very different power and torque figures,so acceleration will differ greatly, also warranty periods etc. The Zs ev's top speed is 95mph (theoretically of course)🤔, although officially stated as 87mph.
Now you need to do one for us 'Murricans! My niece is looking at getting a Tesla Model Y, and I really think she should look at something more affordable. But there's Eff all about what's available in the US of A!
First of all, loved the episode and nice comparison of cheaper EVs. However you forgot to mention that Zoe has a leased battery and if you want to own the battery, the price of Zoe is much higher than the rest of competition (around 8k €). It's a complete nonsense to have a leased battery in terms of costsavings. That's one of the reasons why we decided to buy e-up! And it's a really great car. Also Volkswagen had a nice discount, so we got it for 19,5k€. Not including state subsidy, which was 7,5k€. So brand new e-up for just 12k € :-)
@@fullychargedshow Thanks a lot for reply! Yes, true, but then the price of Zoe is no longer the one you present. Or is it different in UK? Here, in Slovenia, the prices of ZOE R110 LIFE ZE50 with leased battery is around 24000€. You have an option of buying the battery for extra 8300€, so final price is around 32000€, which is way higher than the rest...
Just a question about batteries, if anyone can help. More often than not, there could be a remaining ~20% at the end of the day, can one plug it in every night for a slow recharge? or is that a no-no on the durability and life of the battery? Thanks for this videos and all the work they take
Anyone else imagining that shirt going all the way to the ground?
I bought a 2015 Leaf (24Kwh) last September for €12K. The savings on diesel covered about 60% of the loan repayments. 4 year loan term, so after 5-6 years it has paid for itself completely.
Similar position here, 2nd hand Leaf for the price of a Golf; and add to the savings - no road tax, hardly any maintenance. With battery price dropping 15% year-on-year I figure by the time the pack is worn @2025, getting a long range replacement will give a further 10 years of cheap, reliable motoring.
Yeah until the price of electricity goes up
@@benburton3496 Why would it? The price of renewables are dropping and grid power is having to compete with cheaper and cheaper residential off-grid technologies.
@@benburton3496 The price of Diesel and Gas have been going up for years. Only under the extraordinary situation the price of oil is dropping because of cratering demand.
@@benburton3496 6Kw on the roof, with the sunny days atm, I use 10Kwh and the remaining 30Kwh goes to the grid. When I get an electric car, I hope it will have V2G and then that will make money too...
I was looking at electric cars for sale on UK AutoTrader the other day, when it occured to me that I could buy a 3 or 4 year old Nissan Leaf for around £5,000 and upgrade the battery and software for around another £3,000. This would basically give me a new car with modern tech and much longer range and power.
Robert, maybe you could do something like this as a Live Project on the show?
Not all of us out here in Ordinaryville Land can afford to spend upwards of £25,000+ on a brand spanking new car. When electric vehicles cost less than 10K for something decent, there will be a much greater take up of them. Keep up the good work Fully Charged......
If you can find a 4yr old Nissan leaf for £5k which wasnt a million mile taxi then snap it up! Cheapest on Autotrader is £9k. You can get a 2011 for £5k so for £8k you'd have a nearly decade old car with all its associated problems.
kudos for the graphics, loved it.
Yes, great graphics. .. I would have loved an image of all ten car's relative positions for each category.. Could we get that Robert? :)
Yes, loved the graphics and great and useful episode. I’m sure that the Corsa-e is cheaper than the e208 though ... so think that should have been in the list
I can't lie, it really reminded me of Happy Wheels...
@@JonathanPriceUK it is, but good god it's ugly.
Also, I last charged my Zoe about 10 weeks ago before the lockdown started, and it still has 61% of the battery remaining! :D
I want a Zoe soooo bad 😂
How many miles have you done in it? And what is it’s range??
@@barryamorris TBF, it was partly a joke. I obviously haven't done many miles in the last ten weeks - a few trips to the shops and to deliver shopping to my parents, so probably no more than about 30 or 40 miles.
In total, I've done a bit over 8000 miles since I bought it, and the best range I've had is over 200 miles in the summer, and about 135 miles in the winter. All depends on how fast I go and the types of road I'm driving on. It doesn't fare all that well on motorways.
nice to hear that but not nice is battery lease
@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs They don't do battery lease anymore; unless you buy 2nd hand of course, even then you can buy out the battery now.
Interesting episode. It's great to see these reasonably priced EVs compared side by side for space, performance, charging etc.
I'm so happy to see the market slowly saturating. This is how we get rid of petrol and diesel.
@Theodossis Theodossiou Recycling batteries would be a bit stupid. There are multiple companies working on techniques to refurbish LiPo batteries chemically, in the meanwhile it's best to use old lower-capacity batteries as buffers for electric overcapacity (from renewable energy sources). Also, a well treated modern battery can last a good lot longer than 6 years. I'm still running rechargeable NiMH batteries in my flash and LiPO in my cameras, a few of those are over 12 years old. They're still fine, although a bit less powerful than in the beginning.
Actually, the best way to get rid of petrol and diesel is to stop driving cars at all. It's not because no smoke comes out the back that an electric car has no emissions. Even if you would put no engine in it at all, a car is already bad for the environment. Think about why you'd want to move anywhere between 1 and 2 metric tonnes of steel for transporting 1 person in most cases. I live in a busy metropolitan area, and have started cycling all trips up to about 35 miles, if I have to go there alone. What's most confronting is that with a fast human powered bicycle, the travel time doesn't even change. I understand not everybody wants to sport like I do, but electric bikes exist. Some people need to travel further; for this I still have a petrol car. Last time I drove it was May 28th, over a week ago.
My car is tiny, but still weighs over 900 kg. Even an electric bike is less than your bodyweight, and could do 50 mph with less power than a kilowatt.
We need to start changing the rules of the game.
@Theodossis Theodossiou "all electric vehicles are a myth as c02 is more than petrol version"
It's amazing that you conspiracy nuts never get tired of barfing up the same debunked fantasies that you have read on blogs.
People are laughing at you, seriously. Stop humiliating yourself.
@@seybertooth9282 it makes sense. Until we can achieve 100% efficiency.
You won't be driving electric or anything in ten years you'll be walking and no foreign travel on a whim either.
Here is a Virtual Hug from us all at RZOC :)
Zoe is winning hearts of all the people lately.
Now i am finally living with the new R135 i am totally amazed how the build quality and drive has changed with the new Zoe compared to the older Zoes.
Even seeing it in the flesh back in June last year owning and driving it is on another level.
It would be nice to be able to get this car in North America.
when you guys coming back to america? we quit calling french fries "freedom fries" and trump will be gone soon
Great video, very informative.
After considering all available options and doing thorough research over 14 months, the best option for me was (without a doubt) the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
My previous car was a 2008 Prius T-Spirit which I had for 10 years.
I live in central London and my commute is 7 miles each way. I can do the commute easily on One charge without using petrol - even 2 days is very doable on one charge. I charge at home at night when it's cheaper.
No congestion charge, Zero road tax, low insurance (cheaper than the Prius) and best of all I can do long trips to see family, without any range anxiety, 45MPG on the motorway is _pretty_ good! Also I can charge using a fast charger in loads of places.
Being a TH-cam member is easy and painless. I totally recommend it. I support only one channel, this is that channel. May not have the funds to buy an electric vehicle or a house with solar panels, but I can support the great work being done here. It’s so important that all this information is easy to digest. Thank you Fully Charged Crew.
Someone spent a lot of time animating this! :) Nice work. Great video!
I've been over 200 miles in my ZE40 in the middle of summer. Can't wait until the end of next month when my ZE50 arrives.
just got one its amazing
I'm waiting on mine. Ordered 2 weeks before lockdown!
And yeah, I routinely got 190 out of my ZE40 last summer.
I'm a bit confused... Buying a new electric car while the old one was sufficient kind of ruins the Sustainability thought, doesn't it? I have a ZE 40 and i'm not planning to sell it until it gets too small for my family...
@@kooooons The old car isn't going to be scrapped. It allows for someone else to get into the EV world without having to buy a brand new car.
My decision to upgrade to the newest one was based on a few things. Firstly, I didn't want to hang on to a car with a battery lease as I have a feeling they may be difficult to sell in the future. Secondly, my working situation changed which meant that I would be going over my agreed mileage, and this gave me an easy opportunity to change that. Thirdly, while I've definitely enjoyed driving the ZE40, mine is only capable of 22kW charging speeds. Its summer 200+ mile range has been great, but I've still felt a little bit limited. Adding another possible 50 miles and 50kW rapid charging will open up my ability to go on longer trips.
It's possible (maybe even probable) that I might change it again once the PCP on this one comes to an end, because the final payment is pretty expensive. It will depend on how I feel in 3 or 4 years time.
This video is how I originally found out out about the MG ZS ev, we bought it soon after and it's great day to day, in a few days time we're about to go on our first long roadtrip and rely on the charge network it's abit frightening but I'm sure everything will be all good. But thank you for showing me this amazing car!
I'm an Electrical Contractor and use a Dacia Stepway for my work and look forward to the Dacia Spring (Renault Kwid) EV Car to replace mine at its earliest opportunity. I can pay for the lease with what I spend on fuel alone.
Bought a 2015 Leaf 24kw a few months ago for £7.5k and bloody love it. 80 mile range is good enough for our requirements. The fuel savings are covering the loan repayments. WIn, Win.
Best car I have ever driven😀
All good stuff from the Bobby Llew public information service. Just need to be a bit realistic on the difference between quoted maximum and in practice DC charging rates. My e-Niro is rated at 100 kW and in 14 months I’ve only ever used 50 kW chargers on long runs. Best I’ve ever seen is 44 kW charging speed in the summer, in winter it drops a bit. I did use an Ionity charger in December last year which was my chance to see it what it could do at its highest rated capacity. Result was 54 kW top, though it was cold. Other e-Niro owners in the UK (I’m in France) have said their maximum was 77 kW in summer..I’ve never found it a problem though as with the range of cars like the e-NIro, Zoe 50 and the e-208 the range of the car is longer than I can drive before needing a break.
Excellent review Robert. As you say, everyone doesn't need a 300 mile range car. My daughter has got a second gen leaf and it's 80 miles is adequate for work and shopping. Must say that i am loving my MG EV.
Trying to grow Robert? Much more animated and upbeat when standing. A really informative episode, thank you. Helps me to focus on my decisions.
We have been driving our Zoe for about 1and 1/2 years. Love it! Real knobs and switches! Charging at home is so easy and economical. The low speed warning noise is annoying and uninspired. Why not a few downloadable choices? I'd like a putt putt sound, something like a 100 yr old car. No matter, I can't imagine buying any car but an electric.
The range on my ZS EV has improved with the weather, 92 mile round trip used 45% of the battery last week.
I'm interested in going with one of these. Any major issues you've had?
@@Pr3sarioVSU I've only had mine a month, so no issues. The only negative I would say is the lack of timed charging. I already had a home charger so am sticking with what I've got for now but if it's your first EV then you can get smart cables that you can set timed charging schedules.
All batteries prefer warmer temperatures, that's why when as a fork truck engineer, like me, you need to take into account the ambient temperature when doing cell load tests and specific gravity readings. Once you start heading below 20°c the dissipation of the cell charge drops and if the cell is faulty ,it will drop dramatically.
@@komoriboy
and no app or voice commands, they even have that in Thailand :/
Come on Saic get ya finger out!
Eddy Wiggins batteries get shorter lives in hot weather. And the best storing temp is below 20 C. For maximum performance they need to be warm.
The Zoe is, and has been, my favourite electric car. It’s a good looker and, with the revamp, a really nice looking car, inside and outside.
Wow, production values continue to improve with each new episode! That "carnival car race" animation was top notch! Glad this channel is doing as well as it is because it is well earned.
With lock down on and only driving to the shop to get food and back, I last charged my 2018 LEAF on Easter Monday and it's still 85% charged and cost around 28p to run. Such fun!
I still have a number of people saying to me that they're interested in EVs, but cars in these price ranges are too expensive still...
It's all relative, lots of new and used EVs between £5-20k still required. Thanks, Fully Charged Dan
I'd give my left arm for a EV van in the us. Also I got my EV used, thats where you should look first in the states. Some spark ev's are like 5k.
Via Motors has (had?) an electric Chevy Express
I'd've liked an EV van option too, but having most art fairs cancelled this year is forcing me to think about selling my trailer and tent, and putting my ware up for sale exclusively online.
The new Peugeot Expert, Citroën Jumpy, Vauxhall Vivaro and Toyota Proace vans have a 230 or 330 km range and 1 tonne or 1275 kg payload depending on version. The rebadged Toyota version, being sold as a Toyota, comes with a 15 years / 1 million km warranty for the battery.
This is what you miss when you live in the US :D
@@paname514 but how much of it will get broken in transit through the postal and delivery services. Judging on how some of my purchases have been handled, i wouldn't order anything that breakable online.
@@penfold7800 Sure, delivery vans will likely be destroyed by their drivers long before the warranty ends :D
Was in an old village outside of Amsterdam, they had chargers in the street. Don't need to be rapid, as car has all night to charge so the charger was unobtrusive. This is what is needed for all those living in flats or terraced houses.
For those of us living in suburbia, with a couple of very reliable (bought and paid for years ago) Japanese built cars - one a 1.4l petrol, the other a 2.2l diesel - the prices of any replacement cars never looks attractive. We'll see how things have evolved by 2025.
Don’t mean to be critical because I love Fully Charged, but... bit odd to do top speed rather than acceleration. The mini probably stands out for performance really.
One thing here in the states are all the 2017 Bolts coming off lease. You can get them for under $20k. It’s an absolute steal.
Great episode! I wish some of those were available in the USA.
Kia /Hyundai ionic, soul,e niro etc
@@zenbudhism
Only if you're in a "most favored" state (California, Oregon). Most of the 50 can't get them! 😭
I've wanted the Zoe ever since I saw them but Renault won't sell or service to us in the U.S..
@@douglasdepirro8364 The closest you get is the Smart ForTwo/ForFour as they're Mercedes and Renault in partnership - in Europe etc it's also sold as the Twingo.
@@AA-lc6yi smart cars are overpriced.
Love the graphics and the depth in them - very nicely done indeed, pass that on to whoever did them :)
Hi I am just buying a Seat Mii new electric in December. Test drive one the other day. Excellent drive .
You’re awesome as always!
I am wanting Xoom to get to my town asap! My kid and I would use the heck outta that service.
Hi Robert, another cracking episode as always! In this video and others, you touch upon leasing an EV rather than buying one, I was wondering if you would consider doing an episode talking about leasing an EV (as you do with your Tesla) and discuss costs, benefits, downsides, savings etc? Keep up the good work!
I think "Affordable" should definitely be in quotes in this video. I love electric cars, but the pricing is still ridiculous for most people. Even the cheapest car is double its petrol counterpart. Whoever brings out the first sub £10k car with 150+ miles range will bring forth the electric car revolution.
Are you going to review the Maple 30x? Thats the most exciting mass market EV around at the moment due to its practicality and price point.
Thank you for including kilometers ❤️
What an utterly brilliant unbiased informative channel this is. Well done Kryton 😁 should be on the telly
Hey you're the junkyard wars guy. It took me a while to figure out who you are. You are the BEST! I apologize for what my country did to your television show! I loved your show before it got over-produced by the scum of my nation haha. Anyway God bless. Hope I can find an equivalent video for American electric cars since our selection is relatively limited.
Love this, anyway you could do a 'USA' version of this? As sadly most of these cars are not even available in the US? Would love to share it with friends here who constantly think all EV's cost 100k.... Of course the other caveat is availability, while good cars like the Kona EV etc are hard to find or only sold in certain states. So maybe it's a bit too complicated in that respect... hmmm. Wish the Zoe was sold here, would sell well I imagine.
Hi Bobby,
I hope that you and your family are keeping well during lock down.
I've been subscriber to your channel since 2010 and just ordered my first electric vehicle. Your shows have always been fantastically interesting and have proven to be hugely influencial in my choice to move away from the ICE. Genuine thanks for all that you have done, and all that you continue to do in the name of clean energy, solar power and electric vehicles.
Today, I ordered a new Tesla and was wondering who I could ask for a referral code.... Then, yesterday evening, whilst watching this very video, it occured to me that you, more than anybody deserve the benefit of whatever the referral scheme brings (free miles?) I'd buy you a pint, but social distancing doesn't allow that currently. Oh, I've just joined your channel as a green member (coincidentally my nickname at school) too.
So, I'm definitely NOT trying to be a creepy fanboy. BUT, I thought I'd ask you first.
All the best and keep up the sterling work.
Damian
Thanks Damian, I'll ask Robert! Dan
I'm curious to know why you always recommend the VW Up so much. I appreciate its a great car, but isn't the Skoda Citigo essentially the exact same car but considerably cheaper?
and the Seat Mii I think
The Volkswagen is just a more quality product, the sound proofing is better and the ride is better and the materials look nicer, you’re paying for the extra quality
@@TristanSilverwood that's only true in the most basic trim. The higher trim (SEL) is on par with the VW and still cheaper.
Yes it's the VW , Seat
I've wanted the Zoe ever since they came out with the ze40. Then I saw the ze50. But like always I have to remember that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S. and then I'm sad again. Robert couldn't you use your connections to try to get Renault to boot back up in the U.S. markets again? All you would have to do is show them the comments section of all of your videos about Renault cars and all the people who say they would buy one if they were available in the U.S.
Anyway thanks again for the videos and all you do, Doug.
I hate that I'm unable to drive. I would love to travel to work and back, shopping and just drive around. I would love to experience driving an electric car.
I definitely encourage all to go electric.
What seems like aeons ago, you did a show featuring a static storage liquid-flow battery system in Australia, but never did a follow-up.
Since then, all the talk about static storage has been Tesla Powerwall. Which has always seemed kind of _off_ to me, using a brand-new vehicle-grade lithium ion battery system for static storage. It just seems like a mismatch between tool and job. At the very least, it would seem to make more sense to repurpose retired vehicle batteries, which aren't quite good enough for the automotive purpose but have plenty of life left in them to serve for static storage - and put all the brand-new batteries into vehicles to get all of that usefulness out of them first.
But since the job of static storage is so completely different to the job of moving vehicles around at high rates of speed and acceleration, it seems to me that an entirely different tool - such as liquid flow - might be better suited to do that job.
I'd like to get some updated information about how various flow technologies are doing. (There's a company making liquid flow batteries in Hayward, CA, right next door to world-famous Fremont, that you might have a look at.)
I believe they are about twice the price of lithium ion and take up more space. They're concentrating on niche applications where long life and long stand down times are required such as backup power for communication towers, water pumps that kind of thing.
The company is called RedFlow BTW.
@@MrGonzonator taking up more space isn't really that big a problem with static storage - that's part of what I meant about the right tool for the right job. As for "twice the price" that's where the longer life, and the absence of all the issues that lithium ion batteries have with dendrites and what-not, factor in - presumably the price you're referring to is per unit of energy storage, but that's not necessarily the most important number. And all the things that make them useful for the "niche" applications you list ought to make them useful for microgrid service, such as powering an apartment building (with multiple units and cars in the garage) or perhaps a city block, I would think.
@@dwc1964 whichever is best technically and economically will win out I guess. Maybe there will be applications for both of these technologies and others in the future.
@@MrGonzonator What you said at the end there - that's all I'm saying. It's not a matter of "win" and "lose", it's a matter of different tools for different jobs.
My OP was a request to this here channel to provide an informed, updated look at developments in the field and what we might expect to come.
The battery on my mobile phone loses its ability to hold a charge in time... do the car batteries have the same issue and if so how much is a new battery
I just recently drove a Renault Zoe ZE50 R135, and was surprised how nippy and nice it was to drive. Renault have really made a progress in recent years. It's still too expensive for the average consumer though, in Finland at least. I drive a gasoline VW up, and can confirm, and that is a nice car as well.
Got a MG in February and I will surely love it even more when announced software update have removed the unneeded "bongs"
That's the content I want to see!! Awesome ;)
Agree. Or at least a balanced share.
please sit down again, Love everything you do it really makes me think about the effect we can all have
A simple no nonsense guide to affordable EV’s with the all important Mr Llewelyn for added lol’s 😎👍🏼
I love the fact that Robert's hair becomes a bit more crazy every week! Great content though man!
Good morning Robert. Affordable is the thing for Australia. One of the reasons I support Fully Charge is because Brutish and Britain drive on the sides of the road as we do down in OZ. You not possessed by car speed, range or size as the US is. I would still like to by Tesla they have the technology and will be first to be Autonomous, maybe second hand Tesla.
I really enjoyed the recent Red dwarf, thank you for putting the suit on again, lots of fun and laughs!! And thanks for this video too!
I sincerely hope that Fully Charged take a look at buying a second hand electric car soon. I for one would love a series like Maddie’s but for second hand electric car. And bonus points if the buyer can’t charge at home. :)
We're on the case. Thanks, Dan
This is exactly the video I was looking for! Thanks for your great content.
I've been watching Fully Charged for a while... how have I only just realised that Robert is Kryten?!
Robert, it is going to be interesting to see what effect the THING has on new EV car sales ! I am sure many have been saving up to buy one and now, due to the lockdown, many will have had to eat into those savings and therefore not be able to purchase a new car at the moment. What I find very strange is some manufacturers would sooner hand over large amounts of cash to Tesla, than discount their cars in order to meet the emissions requirement set by the EU. Something else to take into account is how much the manufacturers are going to discount all the ICE vehicles, just to get rid of them and also considering how cheap fuel is at the moment !
So twice the VW but no Leaf?
By the way, I didn't recharge my Leaf since 15th March, and the battery is still full (just to say that your comment about the Zoe is meaning less in current time).
Thrice the VW; all the triplets are there.
So we have the Mii, Citigo and E-up! which is basically three times the same car. And where is the Leaf?
Not cheap :)
Aren't the Volkswagen Up, SEAT Mii and SkodaCitigo literally the identical car?
Yes and the Renault Twingo is a Smart ForFour.
I think the radio and badges and screen options probably a few other bits are different, but essentially, yes. And the Skoda is a lot cheaper than the VW.
One important differnce is the Skoda doesn't some with rapid charge as standard.
Can you please do a similar video about second hand EV’s? I’m currently saving and trying to decide between the Zoe or a bmw i3 but I’m waiting for lockdown to pass before I go to showrooms
Nice, Short, Straight video. Thx. Waiting for Tesla's new Battery Day announcements to make up my mind.
I would make the point that the Renault Twingo is effectively here already in the guise of the Smart ForFour EQ
Can we get a similar video for those for sale in the U.S.? We have fewer choices, but we could still use the run down. Thanks!
Really could video concept. Another one it'd be good to see is which *used* EV makes a good buy. Would love to get a used Zoe as my next car, but the fact that a lot of the used ones are on battery lease is a real deal-breaker. 24kw/h Leafs are a bit limited on range and the earlier (more affordable!) ones had the iffy battery chemistry. Miev/Ion/C-Zero are lovely cars (I had one, and absolutely loved it) but again, low range, though super practical and bulletproof mechanics. Golf GTE maybe?
For 5 years I was taking a taxi to go back home from work in China. And usually the car is an electric BYD. It is so cheap for long time that even taxi can use it! It is cheaper than all mentioned here models.
I bought a 2017 XC60 D4 16 months ago, I drive 230 km everyday for my commute to work, car loan+insurance+road tax+around 300 liters of fuel+service agreement, all together cost me $1100-1200 every month here in Sweden. I calculated my costs if I buy a new 2020 Hyundai Kona electric 64 KWh Premium+, my costs dropped to less than $800/month and when I receive the government EV bonus of about $6000 after 6 months of ownership and pay it directly to the bank to reduce loan amount, costs will drop to around $700/month, that includes the loan, insurance and charging costs. The car costs less to change tires, less to change brake pads and it just makes sense, so I guess I am buying one...
Vw/seat/Skoda are the same car with different trim!. I think you'd struggle getting four people in any of those except the mg zs. The Nissan leaf is next size up and built in the UK.😀
Do you have a link to all the tables referred to in this video? As you only mention the top 2 in each table.
Have you got one that will drive from London to Derbyshire?
Asking for a friend.
Yes! Just about all on this list will cover that 160-odd mile distance no problem.
Surely you mean County Durham.....oh and please include a 30 mile side trip.
@@markthomasson5077 Must have misread the comment - must work out if my eyes are working.
The big question is which can drive 2000 miles in 24 hours, pulling a caravan, in winter.
@@quadcopter ...once a year
That was a great presentation
In Australia range no longer really an issue, charging network is getting there, but still price is the main stumbling block.
Hi Robert, Great Video’s By The way. You Forgot About The e-Corsa from Vauxhall/Opal It's a Fantastic Looking Car, I’m Sure It Is On Par With The Peugeot e-208 (Brother). Never mind Prehaps You’ll Consider It next time Then!
I need to get a new car (lease) in a few months and that Zoe looks like a great option. Only downside is that charging might be an issue, so then I start looking at petrol cars again. Still a tough one.
Have you driven the MG ZS EV? I was impressed. I was an early adopter and have Zoe but the range is getting on my nerves now...
Great video - thanks for posting. I'm really looking forward to being able to test drive the new VW ID3 - it looks and sounds brilliant! No idea when they will be hitting UK dealerships but hopefully fairly soon. I believe the 1st Edition quota for the UK is already sold out so looking like it's going to be next year before I'd be able to take delivery of one.
Copies of the EPA and WLTP drives cycles are available. Where do I get a copy of the “real world range” drive cycle? I prefer to know range on the former cycles, for valid comparisons no matter who runs the test.
Great video thanks! Was gutter as I wanted to go to the fully charged show this year.
I am personally waiting for the seat el born and will trade in my diesel focus for it.
True, it comes down to your definition of the word 'Affordable'
Another great video!
Thanks Robert. 😊👍🏻
I have a year and a half to go on the lease on my 3008 HDi.
Will be looking to lease an e208 or e2008 next. Probably the e2008 as it is far roomier and space to store the cable under the boot floor.
Next time, please also compare the Sono Motors Sion. It's maybe a little behind on range, but otherwise it's very affordable and extremely practical for a family car, including a trailer hitch which is still very rare on EV's. Plus it's got solar cells integrated in the body. Personally I need a longer range for the frequent weekend trips to the holiday house, but otherwise I would have ordered one already... To be fair, they are not yet available, but they did recently raise €53 million, so a good chance that they will be delivered soon.
Kryten, we need these cars in the United States! We've got a couple of options but either range is crap, or price is outrageous. i'm looking at a used Chevy Bolt, but I'd like other options...
It's also worth considering finance options, I want the 208e
It would be nice if you could do a top 10 affordable electric bikes comparison too, as I'm thinking the electric bicycle/tricycle route is going to be more practical for families on a really tight budget. Soon there will be no point in HS2. hmm.
"on the airwaves, oh that dates me" then proceeds to say interweb lol. Great vid though!
Has your desk been repossessed or are your piles playing up??
I want a Zoe in the States, dag-gummit!
If I was an outlaw, I'd buy one in France, ship it over, and just not register it.
Like always a great video.
😊⚡ Very nice listing and I'm always happy to see our Skoda Citigo iv (i not 1) making the list. Super nice EV. Some of the cars on the list not available everywhere yet, though.
I really like the comparison, but I do miss one thing: how far can you drive on a kWh (or similar)? I can make a huge difference in time when driving a lot.
Maybe a used car comparison can also be very interesting for lots of people.
If you opt for a Zoe make sure you option CCS as 22kWh AC charging is going out.
Good video. However, I believe the MG ZS ev boot space is 470L, up from 448L of the ICE version.
I am in the market for a city car now... something like the P208 but unfortunately you are not able to get any here in Texas. The ones available are the ones that are mid size or larger and all of them cost $50+K if you get them as you want them. I believe the Leaf and the Chevy Bolt are available here... but neither one of those attract my attention sadly. I know manufacturers look at the US as a cash cow where everyone can spend lots of money if they want to... but some of us are just looking for a secondary car for short trips around town, no more than 50 miles per day if that much. I have two other cars that would do fine traveling across the State (very large) or even across country (even larger).
lovely editing...love from India
Gareth, great show and episode. We are looking for a small EV that I can take down our muddy lane. We live in a rural area so we need some ground clearance and 4WD ability. I dont want a huge SUV. There seems not to many option in the small SUV/crossover world that does not break the bank.
Hi Robert,
You should compare "apple's with apple's", these cars have very different power and torque figures,so acceleration will differ greatly, also warranty periods etc.
The Zs ev's top speed is 95mph
(theoretically of course)🤔, although officially stated as 87mph.
Pay attention. He wasn't comparing. That's for us to do. He was presenting data....only. And personal favorites.
So what you are saying is that I'll have to pay import tax to get a Peugeot e208, MG or the Zoe to get a 'cheaper' ev?
Now you need to do one for us 'Murricans! My niece is looking at getting a Tesla Model Y, and I really think she should look at something more affordable. But there's Eff all about what's available in the US of A!
Kona eniro soul. Ioniq Volt
First of all, loved the episode and nice comparison of cheaper EVs. However you forgot to mention that Zoe has a leased battery and if you want to own the battery, the price of Zoe is much higher than the rest of competition (around 8k €). It's a complete nonsense to have a leased battery in terms of costsavings. That's one of the reasons why we decided to buy e-up! And it's a really great car. Also Volkswagen had a nice discount, so we got it for 19,5k€. Not including state subsidy, which was 7,5k€. So brand new e-up for just 12k € :-)
You don't need to lease a battery on the Zoe anymore. Thanks, Fully Charged Dan
@@fullychargedshow Thanks a lot for reply! Yes, true, but then the price of Zoe is no longer the one you present. Or is it different in UK? Here, in Slovenia, the prices of ZOE R110 LIFE ZE50 with leased battery is around 24000€. You have an option of buying the battery for extra 8300€, so final price is around 32000€, which is way higher than the rest...
Just a question about batteries, if anyone can help.
More often than not, there could be a remaining ~20% at the end of the day,
can one plug it in every night for a slow recharge?
or is that a no-no on the durability and life of the battery?
Thanks for this videos and all the work they take
You can still drive it at 50%, let alone 80. Slow recharge is good.
No problem you could go to 0% but need to recharge a bit soon.