Way to hold strong for the Amils, Pastor Keith! But more than that... Really appreciated the positive view of things politically. Very refreshing in our current climate.
Bro. You are just non-stop with content. Lol. You must be using your magician powers to put out so many interviews, shorts, skits, Q&As and other videos on top of being a father and a pastor. Your making the rest of us look lazy. 😂 Love it brother. You're awesome
Joel Webbon won me over from amillennial to postmillennial a handful of months ago. I was really skeptical at first, but Pastor Webbon really made both perspectives make sense in a way that I can definitely see it being either, leaning postmillennial, with no belief that premillennialism may be the case. So happy to see three of my favorite men of faith in a discussion all at once!
As an Anglican, I don't understand the obsession with eschatology. Growing up with Hal Lindsey's The Great Late Planet Earth (during late 1970s high school) was a complete obsession with my Baptist friends. Methodists, fellow Episcopalians and Presbyterians paid it no mind. We feel like God should be God and everything doesn't have to be figured out. 🤔
If I may respond to this (as a premillennial) I would say there are two primary reasons. One the whole Bible points forward to the end times. One’s doctrinal position certainly affects how much of that scripture one sees as pointing forward to that time or day or however you see it, but anyway you slice it there are not just a few prophecies pointing to the end times. For perspective (and I in no way mean this in a condemnatory sense) it would be a little bit like an Israelite in the 3rd century BC not being concerned with the coming of the Messiah and the end of the period without prophecy which began after the book of Micah was written. Second, Jesus commands us to watch and be ready in Mark 13:33-37, Matt. 24:42; 25:13; Luke 12:40; 21:34; 1 Thess. 5:6; 1 Pet. 4:7. And so for these reasons is Eschatology important. Not to say we need to have it all figured out by any means, but we ought to search the scriptures to see what it has to say about the second coming of our Lord and Savior. God bless!
Yes, sadly dispensationals and historic premillennials are very pessimistic and and obsess over so called end times and trying to point to the "signs" of Christ's coming and the "any minute rapture". They put much more emphasis on this stuff than the gospel or carrying out the great commission, cause hey, we're gettin' outta here.
@@SemperReformanda17 Hey now, that is not fair. People can emphasize certain arguments over others, but whether you put theology before the two great commandments is a matter of the heart. And thus some fall and put theology first, while others may have bad theology but they still put the gospel first. Such a sweeping generalization I feel is therefore unwarranted. Even taking the most hardline position that such and such passage is not referring to the end times (discounting heresy, and I certainly do not believe that amil or postmil are heretical) the Bible still says enough about the end times that a careful study is warranted as is the case with the rest of Jesus' words.
Also, as a historic premillennialist, I would argue that labelling premil as pessimistic is somewhat arbitrary. I believe in a literal return of Christ, and a literal millennium with Christ reigning directly as king of the world, and in a series of judgements bringing great glory to God. All of these are quite hopeful. That glory is written very explicitly throughout the book of Revelation and is the reason we live.
@@CalebCook-bg1lu HP is still more pessimistic as is most varieties of Amil, especially compared to Postmil. One of my dearest friends is HP and he is really a downer when he starts talking eschatology, and sadly, it affects his other theology and how he lives his life.
I hope this is taken charitably as I assume we are both elect and saved through Christ. But if Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, that must count for something in the interim before the second coming. I can’t see a way around it
Wilson says something to the effect of "the Church is marching towards victory, one loss at a time" or something like that. I'm not post-mil, and I don't see it in Scripture. But I do know that when He comes back, He will be the undisputed Lord of all lords, President of all presidents, King of all kings. In the meantime, I don't mind preaching to all people, making disciples of all *nations*.
The Lord convinced me of postmillennialism about 28 years ago after much prayer and study. Took a solid year before I finally understood it and I am so thankful because I know it is what the Bible teaches.
Is Doug Wilson not a pusher of Theonomy ... a Gospel + Works + capital-punishment monstrosity. I don't want to see him platformed ... unless you addressed and denounced this.
Theonomy is by no means a Gospel + Works. I’m not sure how the capital punishment fits in your critique unless you are denying earthly justice in the New Covenant era.
All Christians are technically partial-preterists to some extent because we all believe that some Biblical Prophecies have been fulfilled. So it’s not an oxymoron, it’s a clarification of extent. The position of Partial-Preterist simply states that most (not all) Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled, whereas Full Preterism says all prophecies have been fulfilled. So it’s not an Oxymoron, it’s an important distinction.
@@ReformedIndeed76 My advice is to adopt a simple eschatology: Jesus will come again. If you are on the preterist path, get off. That doesn't mean you have to become a "futurist." Just reject all that stuff and live a simple Christian life: Love God, love others.
This conversation with "Be Thou My Vision" playing in the background is absolutely *chef's kiss*!
Keith, don't do it. Stay amil, please. We're losing members to the postmil dark side.😅
Oh THAT’S when they were doing this. Neat.
@@SteveMasslock The postmil view is the most hopeful and bright eschatological position there is. Not sure why you think it's "dark".
Wonderful conference, I'm glad you made it!
It's all in how you pronounce Augustine. Post Mils say "August-een" but A-mils say "A-gus'-ten". Dispensationalists say "who's that?"
This post mil definitely doesn't pronounce it like the city in Florida.
Lol
Nicely done Keith👍
Lord be merciful to undeserving sinners all, Sola Deo Gloria 🙏
Way to hold strong for the Amils, Pastor Keith!
But more than that... Really appreciated the positive view of things politically. Very refreshing in our current climate.
Great to meet you at the conference, Keith. Wish I could have met Doug but his speech Friday was more an hour late and couldn’t stay after.
i love this!
"im outta here" hahahaha 😂
So great! 😊
Uri Brito being slick in the background - as per usual.
Dusty Deevers for president 2028!!!
@israelgarcia8661 You didn't write him in this year?
@ConversationswithaCalvinist Could you do a video explaining amil premil and postmil in easy laymans terms
Bro. You are just non-stop with content. Lol. You must be using your magician powers to put out so many interviews, shorts, skits, Q&As and other videos on top of being a father and a pastor. Your making the rest of us look lazy. 😂
Love it brother. You're awesome
Joel Webbon won me over from amillennial to postmillennial a handful of months ago. I was really skeptical at first, but Pastor Webbon really made both perspectives make sense in a way that I can definitely see it being either, leaning postmillennial, with no belief that premillennialism may be the case. So happy to see three of my favorite men of faith in a discussion all at once!
I became postmill about 4 years ago, ngl amill is becoming increasingly attractive
I don't see any difference between them.
Both assert that Christ returns after the Millennium.
@@joshuamichael2463amil is superior because posmil requires optimism in history… that may not be how it goes down
@@HusGoosethe Bible requires optimism in the future… it’s promised throughout the OT that all the nations will turn to Yahweh
Aren’t most or all post guys partial preterists? Some are full in some circles.
My husband is creeping in the background 😂
Hahaha love it, no worries! 😉
I thought there would be some Bible in this discussion!
We have cookies 🍪
And the postmil baptists can dunk them
As an Anglican, I don't understand the obsession with eschatology. Growing up with Hal Lindsey's The Great Late Planet Earth (during late 1970s high school) was a complete obsession with my Baptist friends. Methodists, fellow Episcopalians and Presbyterians paid it no mind. We feel like God should be God and everything doesn't have to be figured out. 🤔
If I may respond to this (as a premillennial) I would say there are two primary reasons. One the whole Bible points forward to the end times. One’s doctrinal position certainly affects how much of that scripture one sees as pointing forward to that time or day or however you see it, but anyway you slice it there are not just a few prophecies pointing to the end times. For perspective (and I in no way mean this in a condemnatory sense) it would be a little bit like an Israelite in the 3rd century BC not being concerned with the coming of the Messiah and the end of the period without prophecy which began after the book of Micah was written.
Second, Jesus commands us to watch and be ready in Mark 13:33-37, Matt. 24:42; 25:13; Luke 12:40; 21:34; 1 Thess. 5:6; 1 Pet. 4:7.
And so for these reasons is Eschatology important. Not to say we need to have it all figured out by any means, but we ought to search the scriptures to see what it has to say about the second coming of our Lord and Savior.
God bless!
Yes, sadly dispensationals and historic premillennials are very pessimistic and and obsess over so called end times and trying to point to the "signs" of Christ's coming and the "any minute rapture". They put much more emphasis on this stuff than the gospel or carrying out the great commission, cause hey, we're gettin' outta here.
@@SemperReformanda17 Hey now, that is not fair. People can emphasize certain arguments over others, but whether you put theology before the two great commandments is a matter of the heart. And thus some fall and put theology first, while others may have bad theology but they still put the gospel first. Such a sweeping generalization I feel is therefore unwarranted. Even taking the most hardline position that such and such passage is not referring to the end times (discounting heresy, and I certainly do not believe that amil or postmil are heretical) the Bible still says enough about the end times that a careful study is warranted as is the case with the rest of Jesus' words.
Also, as a historic premillennialist, I would argue that labelling premil as pessimistic is somewhat arbitrary. I believe in a literal return of Christ, and a literal millennium with Christ reigning directly as king of the world, and in a series of judgements bringing great glory to God. All of these are quite hopeful. That glory is written very explicitly throughout the book of Revelation and is the reason we live.
@@CalebCook-bg1lu HP is still more pessimistic as is most varieties of Amil, especially compared to Postmil. One of my dearest friends is HP and he is really a downer when he starts talking eschatology, and sadly, it affects his other theology and how he lives his life.
I never realized Doug was so big.
I'm an optimistic Dispensationalist.
No one is going to convince me that things are going to get better. Therefore, I can't buy the P-Mil position.
I hope this is taken charitably as I assume we are both elect and saved through Christ. But if Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, that must count for something in the interim before the second coming. I can’t see a way around it
@@tyc4587 Thanks for your response, Sam Storms does an excellent job of answering this objection in his book "Kingdom Come."
Wilson says something to the effect of "the Church is marching towards victory, one loss at a time" or something like that.
I'm not post-mil, and I don't see it in Scripture. But I do know that when He comes back, He will be the undisputed Lord of all lords, President of all presidents, King of all kings. In the meantime, I don't mind preaching to all people, making disciples of all *nations*.
I’ve been predestined to never be a Calvinist!
I like word optimillenial
At a Slumberland?
Uri Brito sighting at 4:25 !
if you're still waiting for Christ's return- you're wrong. no matter what "mil" you are.
This had little to do with Millennialism, but I enjoyed the discussion.
Amill or Nada
The skinny guy seemed to use far more words to say much less than the heavy set guys
I have a friend trying to convince me. I love him for it, but I don’t think I could be convinced.
I said that when I was a premill but the Lord convinced me of the postmill view. I've been a happy camper ever since, praise the Lord!
@@ReformedIndeed76 Naw, the Lord doesn't lead His people into error.
@@ryangallmeier6647 Correct.
The Lord convinced me of postmillennialism about 28 years ago after much prayer and study. Took a solid year before I finally understood it and I am so thankful because I know it is what the Bible teaches.
Historic premil!
🤦♂️
Pre-Mill is the way to go.
Sad seeing faithful men giving time to a vulgar fool.
May your bitter heart turn to joy.
Do not lie.
@@leviwilliams9601 Sorry, is Doug Wilson not vulgar?
@@caseyfenton90 Not at all.
@@caseyfenton90That is a constant criticism of him.
Is Doug Wilson not a pusher of Theonomy ... a Gospel + Works + capital-punishment monstrosity. I don't want to see him platformed ... unless you addressed and denounced this.
Do more studying.
You are in the wrong community, the “loud and proud white dudes for Kamala meetup” is down the hall 3rd door on the left
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a tool
Theonomy is by no means a Gospel + Works. I’m not sure how the capital punishment fits in your critique unless you are denying earthly justice in the New Covenant era.
Federal Vision is a heresy. Yet so many give Doug a pass on this for some reason.
Consistent preterism leads to unbelief.
Partial or full?
@ Consistent partial-preterism is an oxymoron.
I would like to know what you mean by that please.
All Christians are technically partial-preterists to some extent because we all believe that some Biblical Prophecies have been fulfilled. So it’s not an oxymoron, it’s a clarification of extent. The position of Partial-Preterist simply states that most (not all) Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled, whereas Full Preterism says all prophecies have been fulfilled. So it’s not an Oxymoron, it’s an important distinction.
@@ReformedIndeed76 My advice is to adopt a simple eschatology: Jesus will come again. If you are on the preterist path, get off. That doesn't mean you have to become a "futurist." Just reject all that stuff and live a simple Christian life: Love God, love others.