I just pulled my 2600c out of my attic after 35 years! I caught tons of Chinook salmon and lake trout out of the Niagara River and Lake Ontario with it when i was a teenager. So many good memories. I can't wait to clean it up and put back into action. Thanks for the video on how to service
Thanks for the tips. The Daiwa Silver 2600c was my first "real" fishing reel. I bought it new around 1978 and still have it. I remember deciding I needed a "real" fishing reel after an Alligator Gar decided to munch my minnow while bobber fishing in the Clear Fork of the Brazos River in Texas. This Gar proceeded to thrash the little Zebco 202 that I had been given second hand. That 202 never worked right again after that.
This was my very first pro level reel. Loved the memories with my dad fishing for Corbinas off the surf in Venice Beach down in California 😢. Never miss a chance to fish with your dad...never.
@@2ndChanceTackle I ended up buying a used Daiwa 2600C from Ebay! Brought so many fond memories of the times my dad and I fished ❤️ together. I can't wait to have it and take it out to the River and ponds. I thank you so much for posting this video! God bless you and all the awesome dads and grandpa's out there sharing this beautiful sport of fishing with their children ❤️.
@@2ndChanceTackle HI Dennis, finally got my Daiwa 2600C but bail keeps auto closing when I do a power cast. Lost a really good Lure as my line tore. How can I disable the auto locking on this reel. Please help and I appreciate it so much.
That argument is like Ford vs. Chevy trucks or BMW vs. Mercedes. It is a matter of preference. I like Penn, Daiwa ...and Shimano in spinning reels. They are all great products - Thanks for watching - Dennis
The Daiwa vs Penn 104 is a tough choice, both have their good points. The 104 has a slight advantage in that the main gear bushings can be replaced with ball bearings, and its a bit newer using silent anti-reverse. The Penn 101 through 105 reels were Shimano built, there is even some parts interchangeability between the Penn reels and a few of the older Shimano reels. I've been using a pair of Penn 105 reels for 30+ years with no issues. The Daiwa Silver series is a bit older, I've got a 1976 brochure that still shows them along with the GS series. The Daiwa Punch and Million Max were first, in the late 60's, then around 1971-72 the Silver or C series came out. Penn started with the Silver series in the early to mid 80's. I think I bought both of mine in 1985. They were originally matched to a pair of Berkley 10ft surf poles, which later got replaced with two Fenwick poles. The external bail trip of the Daiwa and spring a/v is a bit more tolerant of neglect and saltwater but the Penn is a better feeling reel in hand Some Daiwa Silver series reels can be upgraded to use ball bearings on the main gear. I seem to recall that the 4000, 7000, and 9000 would take BB, but the smaller reels didn't have that option.
@@2ndChanceTackle Around here both are dirt cheap when you do happen to find them. I've got a half dozen or so spares on the shelf just in case. I bought a sleeve of the side gear bearings so every one I use gets the ball bearing upgrade. I find the added rigidity of having two ball bearings on each side of the aluminum main gear reduces gear wear due to any flex in the plastic bushings they came with. In my opinion, the Penn 101,103,104, and 105 were real sleepers in their line up back then. They remained very affordable while the other SS models sold for more than double. I would take an aluminum 104 over a graphite 4500 SS any day.
I have several of each. 3 Diawa 4000's, 4 Ryobi SX4's, 3 Penn 105's and 3 600 LG VO Olympics. They all work great, I dont think I could pick a favorite. I think the Olympics are the smoothest, but they all do what they were made to do.
They are all nice examples of mid 1970s-80's Japanese made reels. I like the Olympics as well. I prefer the Daiwa over the Ryobis, but both are fine. My least favorite is the Penn Silvers. too heavy and only one bearing - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle hi Dennis hope you and yours are well. I just picked up a long beach 68, got it home and realized it's one of the 68's you can service drags by just removing the handle. Was wondering if you knew appx. years they made them like this? Thanks.
The Long Beach series is one of the oldest in the Penn line up. Yours was like made in the 1950s if you have the exposed drag washers. If you have the flat A/R dog spring, the reel was definitely made before 1957, which is when Pen converted over to the coil spring for the A/R dog - Dennis
Without a doubt the Daiwa is better! I have the Penn but not the Ryobi. You know how much I like the silver series Daiwas. I know which reel you like the best! I was working on a Penn 104 that looked brand new. I couldn’t figure why the guy sold it for $10. Turns out the AR wouldn’t work because someone put it in upside down, I’m working on a 4000C right now. Great video!
2nd Chance Tackle Thanks Dennis, there is a Maxam ms400X and a ms600X available on EBay now - both are less than $10. Both are used and will take a little work but that’s no problem for me. Which one would be better?
It depends on what you are going to do with the reel. We fish primarily saltwater here, so the 600 is better suited for your fishing. If you prefer the smaller reel, go with the 400. I think you will be surprised how smooth the reel is for the money paid - Dennis
2nd Chance Tackle Thanks for the help Dennis! I’m going for the Maxam 600 since I mostly surf fish. It looks so much like the Penn and Daiwa. I was truly surprised how smooth the Penn 104 was that I found. I have never seen a Maxam up close so I’m looking forward to it. If I get in a bidding war I’ll have to go for the 400. I think I could use either in the surf but the 600 would be better. I wonder if I will be able to find a bearing for it if it needs it. No one has bid on it yet so we’ll see. On another note I went to Harbor Freight today and got a few Apache protective cases for some of my reels. They are really nice, waterproof and very sturdy. I put some of my larger Mitchell’s in the cases (402, 302N, 396 PUM, and 488) as well as he rarest and oldest Penn 700s. A very nice single reel case is less than $10. They are similar to nice camera hard cases.
2nd Chance Tackle Dennis - I got the Maxam 600 and got it for $5.95. Have almost no idea what shape it’s in though. Is it even possible to find parts for these reels? I’ll let you know what I find inside after it gets here. The photos of the cosmetics look good but the description said nothing about the functionality of the reel. That makes me nervous.
I’ve often wondered if the location of the AR mechanism in the reel had any impact on the effectiveness of the AR. Some reels have an AR dog back in the main housing of the reel as opposed to one like this where the AR is located right underneath the rotor. Which is generally considered more effective? Just wondered if you have an opinion on this? Most modern spinners now have the instant continuous anti-reverse that you can’t turn off. If you fish and keep your hand on the reel handle it just doesn’t matter. I like being able to cut it off.
They both work equally well. If I was to choose, the one that intersects with the main gear is less likely to fail from wear, but it bogs down if the reel is over loaded with grease.
In vintage reels I often prefer bushings to bearings. How do you feel about this? I agree that more than 3 bearings often means one is looking for eventual trouble! I have also wondered what grade of steel wool do you prefer? Have you ever used bronze wool. It is great for polishing. The Ryobi, Penn, and Daiwa are so similar!
I use 0000 steel wool. I haven't seen or tried the bronze wool. I will look out for it and give it a go. I generally don't hot rod reels. If they came with bushing, I leave them alone. The designers usually got the mechanics right, so I don't mess with them. I have used ceramic bearings to upgrade exiting ones. That is an improvement. Many of the older reels that you mention just had steel bearing, which rusted and became useless, so the bushing were actually better than them. And yes, many designs were mimicked of copied between manufacturers. It still happens today - Dennis
My best advice is to go to an automotive store or paint supplier and match the Daiwa paint as best you can to the silver paint used on various cars. That paint is meant for metal and you should find one very close to the silver series reel. Obviously bring the reel along with you in order to match it, and the best march would be the paint inside the side plate cover or under the spool as it will not have any weathering or UV fade. Thanks for asking - Dennis
I bought a diawa ss750 spinning reel and it has a trigger that engages the drag .more drag the harder you pull the trigger. My question is how do i make the reel allow line to be pulled as if a fish was pulling line. it is locked up. Any help would help
If I understand right, you have the rear drag set up with the swing arm to add or reduce tension on the drag. one swing adds more and swing to the other side adds less. If you have no variation in the drag tension on either swing, then the drag washers are frozen and need to be replaced, - Dennis
can u tell me where i can locate the drag washers. This reel has no drag adjustment and push button to release the spool. once the button top is spun off there is 1 metal washer and a stiff wire in shape of almost a full circle that does not close but stops before completion of circle and runs parallel straight back to top of circle.. if that made any sense. it had no soft washers like a rear drag reel. is it missing washers or is this the wrong spot? it is probably 30 year old Diawa SS750 says with whiskee components also says super sport LB . THANKS FOR RESPONDING LAST TIME
A quick guess that this is smilier to the Mitchell 300. Once the button is off, grab the spool and push the shaft through the spool body. The drag washer should sit on the shaft, on top of the part that you pushed through - Dennis
That will be hard to find as new old stock since the reel has long been out of production. Best to check Ebay and other online sites for the part or a donor reel. Thanks for asking - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle my shaft is slightly bent under the threading on the thick part of the shaft. Do you think it can be fixed if I heat it up and straighten it?
I don't think you need the heat. You can roll the shaft on a metal flat surface to find the high spot and then hit it with a non-marring dead blow hammer to bring it back into alignment. It may take a few attempts, but the metal is malleable and not that difficult to shape. Just take your time and keep testing it by running it through the pinion gear to check for the spot it is jamming and where you need to straighten it. You should get it back in shape after a few attempts - Dennis
I just recently did a 2500C that I really like. It seems like many silver series use the same size pinion bearing up top. Do you know a source for finding schematics for these Daiwa silver series reels? Someday I’d like to find a nice 9000C but they seem to be hard to find in very good shape. Looking forward to your 1300C video. This is a great video as usual. By the way I don’t particularly care if the click bothers someone. I probably wouldn’t be fishing with such a person anyway. That person should hear the click on some of my other reels if they want something to complain about. Since I mostly surf fish that kind of noise isn’t usually noticeable. I hear a lot of folks really like the gold series and black gold Daiwa spinning reels. To me the differences are mostly cosmetic except that the black gold may have more bearings. These silvers will always be my favorite.
Christopher - you can find most of the older Daiwa schematics on Mikesreelrepair.com website. The new Daiwa reel schematics can be found on the Daiwa site - Dennis
If someone want to update one of these reels, bushings could be swapped for bearings and carbontex drag washers, but as you say and I agree, these have been catching fish for decades just as they are
I don't have one in my shop and I think they are pretty rare here. I will add to my request list and do a video if one comes in for service. Thank you for asking - Dennis
You're welcome. I just got a Ryobi Silver Cloud reel that is similar. I am planning to do a video on that in the upcoming days - Please stay tuned - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle oh ok, I have a daiwa 2600c and 4000c my Mom got me when I was a teenager. Fish of the pier on the NC coast with them for years. I'm 54 now and been wanting to get them service or do it myself. Just didn't want to mess them up. I clean and service the 2600 after watching your video. They have alot of sentimental value. Thank you again
I wil need to check to see if I have that. Can you send me a note to my email - 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com with the request? That way we can send pictures, etc. Thank you Dennis
I just pulled my 2600c out of my attic after 35 years! I caught tons of Chinook salmon and lake trout out of the Niagara River and Lake Ontario with it when i was a teenager. So many good memories. I can't wait to clean it up and put back into action. Thanks for the video on how to service
That is awesome! I'm sure it will be ready for a 2nd Chance - Dennis
Thanks for the tips. The Daiwa Silver 2600c was my first "real" fishing reel. I bought it new around 1978 and still have it. I remember deciding I needed a "real" fishing reel after an Alligator Gar decided to munch my minnow while bobber fishing in the Clear Fork of the Brazos River in Texas. This Gar proceeded to thrash the little Zebco 202 that I had been given second hand. That 202 never worked right again after that.
You are welcome. Best wishes for great fishing - Dennis
This was my very first pro level reel. Loved the memories with my dad fishing for Corbinas off the surf in Venice Beach down in California 😢. Never miss a chance to fish with your dad...never.
Well said! Or Granddad if you are still fortunate to have the opportunity to fish on!
@@2ndChanceTackle I ended up buying a used Daiwa 2600C from Ebay! Brought so many fond memories of the times my dad and I fished ❤️ together.
I can't wait to have it and take it out to the River and ponds. I thank you so much for posting this video! God bless you and all the awesome dads and grandpa's out there sharing this beautiful sport of fishing with their children ❤️.
Thank you. Jut wait until you see tomorrow's video! You will enjoy it - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle HI Dennis, finally got my Daiwa 2600C but bail keeps auto closing when I do a power cast. Lost a really good Lure as my line tore. How can I disable the auto locking on this reel. Please help and I appreciate it so much.
My brother liked daiwa i like penn. i just bought a new BG4000 however. Im impressed by it.
That argument is like Ford vs. Chevy trucks or BMW vs. Mercedes. It is a matter of preference. I like Penn, Daiwa ...and Shimano in spinning reels. They are all great products - Thanks for watching - Dennis
I found a Daiwa 2600c and 1125 acg rod combo today at a thrift store for $20. Near mint condition!
You did well. Those Daiwa Silver Series reels are treasures. Best wishes for great fishing with the combo - Dennis
Another great video thank you! Just picked one up for $5 going tackle it.
Gld to hear it will get a 2nd Chance!
The Daiwa vs Penn 104 is a tough choice, both have their good points. The 104 has a slight advantage in that the main gear bushings can be replaced with ball bearings, and its a bit newer using silent anti-reverse.
The Penn 101 through 105 reels were Shimano built, there is even some parts interchangeability between the Penn reels and a few of the older Shimano reels.
I've been using a pair of Penn 105 reels for 30+ years with no issues.
The Daiwa Silver series is a bit older, I've got a 1976 brochure that still shows them along with the GS series.
The Daiwa Punch and Million Max were first, in the late 60's, then around 1971-72 the Silver or C series came out.
Penn started with the Silver series in the early to mid 80's. I think I bought both of mine in 1985.
They were originally matched to a pair of Berkley 10ft surf poles, which later got replaced with two Fenwick poles.
The external bail trip of the Daiwa and spring a/v is a bit more tolerant of neglect and saltwater but the Penn is a better feeling reel in hand Some Daiwa Silver series reels can be upgraded to use ball bearings on the main gear. I seem to recall that the 4000, 7000, and 9000 would take BB, but the smaller reels didn't have that option.
Thanks for the added information. Those are tough choices, but they are easy in a sense that you can't go wrong with either. - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Around here both are dirt cheap when you do happen to find them. I've got a half dozen or so spares on the shelf just in case. I bought a sleeve of the side gear bearings so every one I use gets the ball bearing upgrade. I find the added rigidity of having two ball bearings on each side of the aluminum main gear reduces gear wear due to any flex in the plastic bushings they came with.
In my opinion, the Penn 101,103,104, and 105 were real sleepers in their line up back then. They remained very affordable while the other SS models sold for more than double. I would take an aluminum 104 over a graphite 4500 SS any day.
I have several of each. 3 Diawa 4000's, 4 Ryobi SX4's, 3 Penn 105's and 3 600 LG VO Olympics. They all work great, I dont think I could pick a favorite. I think the Olympics are the smoothest, but they all do what they were made to do.
They are all nice examples of mid 1970s-80's Japanese made reels. I like the Olympics as well. I prefer the Daiwa over the Ryobis, but both are fine. My least favorite is the Penn Silvers. too heavy and only one bearing - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle hi Dennis hope you and yours are well. I just picked up a long beach 68, got it home and realized it's one of the 68's you can service drags by just removing the handle. Was wondering if you knew appx. years they made them like this? Thanks.
The Long Beach series is one of the oldest in the Penn line up. Yours was like made in the 1950s if you have the exposed drag washers. If you have the flat A/R dog spring, the reel was definitely made before 1957, which is when Pen converted over to the coil spring for the A/R dog - Dennis
I own a Diawa 2600 C and I was wondering if it would be a good reel for catfish and Big stripers
The bigger 4000C or 7000C are more fitted for the BIG fish, but you can probably get by on the 2600 - Thanks for asking - Dennis
Can you please show how make silent anti reverse for Daiwa 2600c?
Cheers
Without a doubt the Daiwa is better! I have the Penn but not the Ryobi. You know how much I like the silver series Daiwas. I know which reel you like the best! I was working on a Penn 104 that looked brand new. I couldn’t figure why the guy sold it for $10. Turns out the AR wouldn’t work because someone put it in upside down, I’m working on a 4000C right now. Great video!
Thank you. I just found a Maxam, which was made in Korea and looks very much like a Ryobi inside. If you see one of those pick it up
2nd Chance Tackle Thanks Dennis, there is a Maxam ms400X and a ms600X available on EBay now - both are less than $10. Both are used and will take a little work but that’s no problem for me. Which one would be better?
It depends on what you are going to do with the reel. We fish primarily saltwater here, so the 600 is better suited for your fishing. If you prefer the smaller reel, go with the 400. I think you will be surprised how smooth the reel is for the money paid - Dennis
2nd Chance Tackle Thanks for the help Dennis! I’m going for the Maxam 600 since I mostly surf fish. It looks so much like the Penn and Daiwa. I was truly surprised how smooth the Penn 104 was that I found. I have never seen a Maxam up close so I’m looking forward to it. If I get in a bidding war I’ll have to go for the 400. I think I could use either in the surf but the 600 would be better. I wonder if I will be able to find a bearing for it if it needs it. No one has bid on it yet so we’ll see. On another note I went to Harbor Freight today and got a few Apache protective cases for some of my reels. They are really nice, waterproof and very sturdy. I put some of my larger Mitchell’s in the cases (402, 302N, 396 PUM, and 488) as well as he rarest and oldest Penn 700s. A very nice single reel case is less than $10. They are similar to nice camera hard cases.
2nd Chance Tackle Dennis - I got the Maxam 600 and got it for $5.95. Have almost no idea what shape it’s in though. Is it even possible to find parts for these reels? I’ll let you know what I find inside after it gets here. The photos of the cosmetics look good but the description said nothing about the functionality of the reel. That makes me nervous.
I’ve often wondered if the location of the AR mechanism in the reel had any impact on the effectiveness of the AR. Some reels have an AR dog back in the main housing of the reel as opposed to one like this where the AR is located right underneath the rotor. Which is generally considered more effective? Just wondered if you have an opinion on this? Most modern spinners now have the instant continuous anti-reverse that you can’t turn off. If you fish and keep your hand on the reel handle it just doesn’t matter. I like being able to cut it off.
They both work equally well. If I was to choose, the one that intersects with the main gear is less likely to fail from wear, but it bogs down if the reel is over loaded with grease.
In vintage reels I often prefer bushings to bearings. How do you feel about this? I agree that more than 3 bearings often means one is looking for eventual trouble! I have also wondered what grade of steel wool do you prefer? Have you ever used bronze wool. It is great for polishing. The Ryobi, Penn, and Daiwa are so similar!
I use 0000 steel wool. I haven't seen or tried the bronze wool. I will look out for it and give it a go. I generally don't hot rod reels. If they came with bushing, I leave them alone. The designers usually got the mechanics right, so I don't mess with them. I have used ceramic bearings to upgrade exiting ones. That is an improvement. Many of the older reels that you mention just had steel bearing, which rusted and became useless, so the bushing were actually better than them. And yes, many designs were mimicked of copied between manufacturers. It still happens today - Dennis
I have 2600c they has a lot paint scratch, do you have any advice what kind of paint i can repaint make it look new again, thanks
My best advice is to go to an automotive store or paint supplier and match the Daiwa paint as best you can to the silver paint used on various cars. That paint is meant for metal and you should find one very close to the silver series reel. Obviously bring the reel along with you in order to match it, and the best march would be the paint inside the side plate cover or under the spool as it will not have any weathering or UV fade. Thanks for asking - Dennis
I bought a diawa ss750 spinning reel and it has a trigger that engages the drag .more drag the harder you pull the trigger. My question is how do i make the reel allow line to be pulled as if a fish was pulling line. it is locked up. Any help would help
If I understand right, you have the rear drag set up with the swing arm to add or reduce tension on the drag. one swing adds more and swing to the other side adds less. If you have no variation in the drag tension on either swing, then the drag washers are frozen and need to be replaced, - Dennis
can u tell me where i can locate the drag washers. This reel has no drag adjustment and push button to release the spool. once the button top is spun off there is 1 metal washer and a stiff wire in shape of almost a full circle that does not close but stops before completion of circle and runs parallel straight back to top of circle.. if that made any sense. it had no soft washers like a rear drag reel.
is it missing washers or is this the wrong spot?
it is probably 30 year old Diawa SS750 says with whiskee components also says super sport LB . THANKS FOR RESPONDING LAST TIME
A quick guess that this is smilier to the Mitchell 300. Once the button is off, grab the spool and push the shaft through the spool body. The drag washer should sit on the shaft, on top of the part that you pushed through - Dennis
Where can I buy a main shaft for a daiwa 1600c silver series?
That will be hard to find as new old stock since the reel has long been out of production. Best to check Ebay and other online sites for the part or a donor reel.
Thanks for asking - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle my shaft is slightly bent under the threading on the thick part of the shaft. Do you think it can be fixed if I heat it up and straighten it?
I don't think you need the heat. You can roll the shaft on a metal flat surface to find the high spot and then hit it with a non-marring dead blow hammer to bring it back into alignment. It may take a few attempts, but the metal is malleable and not that difficult to shape. Just take your time and keep testing it by running it through the pinion gear to check for the spot it is jamming and where you need to straighten it. You should get it back in shape after a few attempts - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thank you 🙏 I appreciate the help Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle I did exactly as you said and now I have a full functioning reel, works perfectly now…truly thankful to you again
I just recently did a 2500C that I really like. It seems like many silver series use the same size pinion bearing up top. Do you know a source for finding schematics for these Daiwa silver series reels? Someday I’d like to find a nice 9000C but they seem to be hard to find in very good shape. Looking forward to your 1300C video. This is a great video as usual. By the way I don’t particularly care if the click bothers someone. I probably wouldn’t be fishing with such a person anyway. That person should hear the click on some of my other reels if they want something to complain about. Since I mostly surf fish that kind of noise isn’t usually noticeable. I hear a lot of folks really like the gold series and black gold Daiwa spinning reels. To me the differences are mostly cosmetic except that the black gold may have more bearings. These silvers will always be my favorite.
Christopher - you can find most of the older Daiwa schematics on Mikesreelrepair.com website. The new Daiwa reel schematics can be found on the Daiwa site - Dennis
If someone want to update one of these reels, bushings could be swapped for bearings and carbontex drag washers, but as you say and I agree, these have been catching fish for decades just as they are
Agree. No need to mess with it, but you can!
Would you be willing to do daiwa st7070 full service? I've been looking online for guides but no luck
I don't have one in my shop and I think they are pretty rare here. I will add to my request list and do a video if one comes in for service. Thank you for asking - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle sounds amazing cause I been dire need of a guide for this reel for while
Thank you
You're welcome. I just got a Ryobi Silver Cloud reel that is similar. I am planning to do a video on that in the upcoming days - Please stay tuned - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle oh ok, I have a daiwa 2600c and 4000c my Mom got me when I was a teenager. Fish of the pier on the NC coast with them for years. I'm 54 now and been wanting to get them service or do it myself. Just didn't want to mess them up. I clean and service the 2600 after watching your video. They have alot of sentimental value. Thank you again
Just bought one off of Facebook marketplace with a couple shimano reels and the anti reverse lever doesn’t do anything. It’s stuck open.
It is probably stuck to old dried grease that is holding it from operating properly. I assume that the Dog is in there and not damaged
I think you can replace those two nylon bushings with stainless steel bearings.
You may be right. You can do that a lot with the older reels. Give it a try - Dennis
I need a bail for a 2600c Daiwa fishing reel.
I wil need to check to see if I have that. Can you send me a note to my email - 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com with the request? That way we can send pictures, etc.
Thank you
Dennis
Did you find your bail? I have one
I believe it’s pronounced “day wah”. Like it’s spelled.
Yeah - that is on me!
Dennis have you a mail adress ? Thank you very much for your answer David to france
David - You can email me at 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com