This is one of those key moments where it shows why this is the flagship and the most elite crew of an entire galactic fleet. Theyre all about to lose consciousness and mostlikely die but nobody panics. Everyone simply carries out their tasks until their last breath and not giving data a speech about how he is their only hope just a simple reminder of their plan thats it. Easily the most disciplined crew.
It also demonstrates how this was one of the most well-written TV shows of its time as well-- they didn't need to beat you over the head with this information. They had enough trust in the audience's intelligence that they understood the stakes, and what made the characters' behavior and demeanor exceptional in this situation.
It also demonstrates why data is not supposed to just be a computer. As far as I recall, the plan didn't explicitly say to reroute warp power to life support on arrival. He observed the situation and took the appropriate steps to protect the crew. Pretty cool scene!
Imagine weanwhile at the Discovery: Everbody crying and telling each other separtely how much they love their comrades while passing out, waiting for Burnham to save the day by ignoring orders, redshirts dying left and right - never been mentioned again.
but I found it hard to believe, cos what they show is "high level elite interactions" not the whole ship, I'm sure on those decks where life support dies there were many screams and panic but due to limitation of the series' duration, it was not shown ...
@@nurburgringkid In the series' canon, I think roddenberry et. al. would have had them trusting their captain. A little nervous but they'd say things like "we've gotten through worse" etc. A little corny I know but it seems like what they'd go for.
They all had a duty to the ship, before Comander Datas ego. Wich he lacked anyway. 99% chance they made a thank-you party, holodecknovel or concert for him.
Season 4, episode 17 "Night Terrors." Another episode where Data saves the crew. Captain Picard thanks Data before going to bed for some much needed sleep.
I like the attention to detail on whose uniforms are sweaty. Data's isn't because he's an android, and had no need to sweat. And while most of the biological crew's uniforms are soaked, Worf's isn't because as a Klingon, his body is full of redundancies for basically anything that can go wrong. Of _course_ he'd be the least affected out of everyone vulnerable to life support issues!
@@asvarien From what I recall, it's pretty Earth-like, but the variance in weather is prone to some more severe ends of the spectrum. Klingons do tend to keep their ships a bit warmer than Starfleet Standards, and do seem to be more comfortable with humidity (or it may just be that they're less likely to complain about it or show a distaste...signs of weakness and all). Evolution though has less to do with Klingons currently physiology then most other species actually, as their genetic history is littered with tampering...the Klingon "Gods" supposedly modified them to serve as a warrior race (a bit like the Jem'hadar, but with less 'don't rebel on me' safeties...the Klingons killed their gods by the way...), the Hur'q overlords and pillagers supposedly messed up the Klingons a bit too, and then the Klingons did it too themselves multiple times over with things like the Augment Plague, the Retroviral cure for said plague, and then the cure for cure (possibly different versions of said cure as well, as evidenced by Discovery-era Klingon Nobles). Wouldn't surprise me if some of that Genetic Engineering tech got mixed with the results of Romulan Eugenics (or vice versa) either, given that Klingons share a hemoglobin type with Romulans, despite still having iron-based blood, not copper like Romulans and other Vulcanoids (as we learn in the episode where Worf refuses to be a blood donor to an injured romulan, who's hemoglobin-factor makes him ineligible for Vulcan-based transfusions).... ...oh, and then there's the whole involvement in the Temporal Cold War (as seen in the pilot episode of ENT), and given how Temporal Agents were handing out enhancements to certain client species like Juba-juba sticks on Bajor during Emissary Day...including the ability to encode secret messages and data into Klingon Blood...yeahhhh...trying to map the contempory Average Klingon Genome is probably a task that even the Daystrom Institute has given up on... So, it's unknown if the brak'kul (sp?), the Klingon physiological redundant organs/systems, were naturally evolved from a pre-tampering ancestor (like that wolf/scorpion/tag'h thing that Worf was devolving into in that one episode) or if it was one of the enhancements made along the way. Side note: When the monks cloned Kahless the Unforgettable from a bloodstainned dagger, did they have to update his genetic code as well? Because otherwise, there are a few things running around his fellow klingons (like the left over vestiges of the Augment Plague) that could have been verrrrry detrimental to his well-being.
@@asvarien It's Star Trek...most myths have some elements of truth. It's pretty heavilly hinted that the wedding/genesis myth in the Klingon folklore is another example of this. "Gods" modify Klingons as a servitor race, Klingons rebel and kill/drive off "Gods, Klingons retell the story with added embellishments each time the story is retold, until viola! Wedding Myth.
@@eyescreamcake Space Suits even by TNG times drastically limit mobility and could make effectively working with consoles near impossible. The bridge had a responsibility for a thousand people here, and they choose to focus on saving them rather then themself. They had a emergency solution - his name is Data, Rank: Lt. Cmdr. If they did not have him, they would have had to sacrifice some people to maintain bridge life support.
They had a parasite that was - quite literally - turning all the systems into jelli. They were actually not loosing Oxygen, but intentionally replacing it with a gas to slow down the process - and thus hopefully making it all the way to the field. The ship was quite literally getting eaten and you can bet they had to do some serious repairs after this. Propably a month in spacedock or something like that.
@@PuppetierMaster Airplanes have oxygen enrichment masks. And those are only for specific heights. Any explosive decompression will knock you out with pressure (low pressure has liquid leaving your bloodvessels, slowing the flow) long before the lack of Oxygen reaching your lungs can.
@axel axel i agree TNG was too political how many times did they preach the prime directive only to abandon it when it served their purpose? DS9 was like a great piece of swiss cheese the cheese was good but full of holes some episodes made no sense & Sisko was at best a below average starship commander
TNG was the best after Season 1 (when I first saw the show, it didn't appeal to me). The episode that got me wondering about it was "Up the Long Ladder." It had one colony of Amish like culture and another technologically advanced, but of clones that could not have children (but both were originally of the same colonists, just split up early in their voyage). LOL I prefer ST Voyager, it had a mixture of everything (plus, Voyager being the first star ship that could land, shown in Season 2). :)
@@SKINWALKER when he was packing to leave the enterprise he had lots of Starfleet medals that he kept. So while we didn't seem him receive them on screen they did acknowledge his contributions from time to time.
What I like about Data is he does NOT follow the same trope as other AI’s and seeks to exterminate us. In fact, he is PROTECTING US! A breath of fresh air for AI’s.
Exactly. Our evolution has created in us the instinct to fear something that's "new" first. The truth is, few are willing to consider the alternative. Data, Samantha in the film "Her" and the imagined future in the episode "San Junipero" from "Black Mirror" is all I can think of in terms of people imaging a positive future with AI.
In TNG, Spock's character, from TOS, has been split into two people: Data represents the coldly logical Vulcan half, while Deanna Troi represents Spock's human empathy and mind-reading abilities. Being an Android/AI is just an updated variation of the motif -- it has nothing to do with 'tropes' about AI -- it's an expression of one particular dichotomy that exists within human personality... a tendency towards thinking, based on sensory input, compared to a tendency towards feeling, based on intuitive input. I'm sure we can all remember when Data got a 'feeling chip' installed, LOL. It's all symbolic, guys.
I grew up with this show. It really helped shaped my values. Persistence, curiosity, working together towards a worthy goal and patience just to name a few. I also did not really have a close relationship to my dad. In many ways, this show and the characters helped me fill that void. I didn't of course realize it at the time, but now 30 years later, I see just how much that show meant to me. I just turned 39 so seeing the much older Patrick Stewart in Star Trek Picard and all the other characters really brought home the fact that more than a quarter century has passed since then. The death of Data was really moving
My soul brother, same here. I turn 39 in August, and the dynamic of.how Picard treats those around him influenced me as a science kid growing up as well. Ending of Picard season 10 was touching. No homo
Same here. I always say 4 people taught me how to be a man: my grandfathers, my father, and Jean-Luc Picard. And I’ll be 40 this fall, so I think there was something special about when this show was on the air in our formative years.
same here. the show aired at sunday's noon, and it was a family event, and when it ended we discussed the episode during dinner. those moments are of the best memories I have of my childhood and family. ...except my family was and is kind of fucked up in other ways, and I turned out to be too weak not to succumb to that. but even as i'm becoming more and more of a bad person, the lessons I got from TNG about what it means to be quality human with integrity, are still with me, and allow me to measure how far down into the rot I slide. if I ever manage to get out from it, and if I ever manage to have children of my own, watching TNG (and then DS9) at sunday noon and then discussing them during dinner is a custom I will create and maintain for them. I have yet to find any other show that is as valuable as morality and philosophy lessons (while actually being engaging) as TNG/DS9 are.
Same here. I'm only 18 and it's been extremely positive energy in my life. I started watching Star Trek when I was either 14 or 15, and I actually got to meet Marina Sirtis (Troy)! Most people look at Picard as a second father, but my connection to Data was much stronger. I was born with autism and have found it difficult as a young child to have good conversations with people. Now, I started watching Star Trek after most of my problems with this went away (it would've helped to see him during the process, but it all turned out), I still had and still have some problems with communication and, being human. Seeing Data's journey was heavily inspiring. He not only taught me some things, but I viewed him as a friend or even as a brother going through the same stuff I was going through. His death really hurt, but I accepted it. I hope one day I can meet Brent Spiner and tell him how much his character means to me!
One loses count how many times Enterprise-D would have certainly been doomed if Mr. Data hadn't been there throughout the course of the entire TNG series. Easily one of the greatest Star Trek characters ever.
Yeah. Voyager was lucky it survived more than 10 years in the Delta quadrant without an android like Data but they did have the doctor hologram and 7 of 9 so I guess that's close.
I grew up on this. Data was easily my, and my family's, most loved character. Dad liked how he matured, and Mom loved his silly and smart moments. I liked, like, how astute and curious he is. He's no fool, and always willing to learn. That is a quality we should all possess.
I thought Data was a very amusing and adorable character to watch. Despite his intelligence and superhuman abilities, he's so innocent and childlike. Data's honesty and straightforwardness often create hilarity when they come across as annoying, creepy, or downright shocking to others. I also think that Brent Spiner's good looks made Data a popular character as well.
@@Thatslifebro_ Picard was the one who stopped him. Though he might not have known if Worf hadn't been told about the compromise in which he alerted Picard before Geordi shot
@@KaptainRPG OH, now that you mention it seems i misremembered somewhat. Data warned Worf after he figured out the Romulan plot, Worf tried to stop Geordi and in the commotion Worf caused Picard noticed the Phaser and prevented Geordi from following his order. So Data assisted and got the MVP, but wasn't technically the one stopping Geordi.
Apparently while they can travel many times faster then light speed, teleport human bodies and minds without losing memories, character traits or even the tiniest personality quirk......somehow they haven’t yet invented Bluetooth.
@@PaulHussey01 i like to think that data physically talking to the system (in this scene) is for us the viewers benefit. And in most other scenes its probably for the crews benefit...or its a safety feature For supporting evidence even when he is doing that mutany and is talking to the computer they act like they dont hear him leading me to believe that data is talking to the ships computer wirelessly
Considering the volume of air contained within the Enterprise, it always amazes me how quickly the crew begin to feel the effects when life support is interrupted. 😊
One thing i never understood was why life support failing meant immediate death? The amount of oxygen in a space the size of the Enterprise would have meant days of atmosphere.
There are a Iot of ppl breathing. Plus a lot of space is taken up with machines and metal, meaning not as much room for oxygen. Plus life support does alot of things. Keeping put radiation, warming the ship so they don't breathe AND ventilating the air so it stays breathable. We don't know if any machines put things into the air that make it unreachable that life support filters out. We don't get much of an explanation on things. Just my thoughts and wondering
@@GothBiDemiGirl Actually, the ships only have about 1012 crew and passengers aboard. Specs say can be crewed by between 1000 to 6000 people but carry 15000 if need be. However, when mentioned on the show its around 1012. Its length is 641 meters with 42 decks. You could walk for days and not run into anybody. Honestly, just by oxygen available in these large spaces you would survive for days before CO2 became an issue. What is the true reason? Dramatic Television.
I'm going to say they lost consciousness due to the g-forces from the Enterprise's maneuvers. They were sweating because of a heat byproduct from the overtaxed inertial dampeners.
The problem is, that with each % less O2 you have 1% more CO2. And too much CO2 makes you unconscience. And if you don't stop that, you will simply breath yourself to death.
The details is amazing. I noticed how the ship lighting rises slowly after Data redirects power from the Warp engine to life support while it was dark when power levels were bottomed out.
PHEW 😅 that Galaxy class starship sure is sexy! It will forever be my favorite Federation starship and I don’t care about what ship can destroy it or how outdated it gets, it truly is a beautiful design.
Currently re watching TNG for the first time since I was a child. Had forgotten how great these characters are. Picard was a good series and ended perfectly but it could never be as good at TNG. Data was always my favourite, was devastated at the end of Nemesis but pleased they were able to write him back in for Picard. Will always love Star Trek.
don't you just love how they recover so quickly after life support is restored you would think it would take time and you would hear the hissing of air pouring into the bridge to restore oxygen levels to normal once life support is powered back up but nope they just get up cause the lights are back on and they are fine like magic
On the flip side, people tend to overlook the instances where biological crew members were possessed or mind controlled and Data was one of the few unaffected and saved the ship. It works both ways.
Having a crew member who's basically immune to most things that would affect the rest of the crew does impose some limitations on writing possibilities. There are a few episodes where Data has to be gotten out of the way so the story can work. The episode with the addictive mind control game springs to mind, and the one where the crew regresses into primative beasts. Both times Data has to out of the way or incapcitated only to return and save the day.
Data is smart, but he lacks a morality compass. Sometimes its not the smartest person in the room that makes the best captain, but the one who understands compassion the most.
They should have emergency oxygen supplies on hand for the crew to use. But even if they didn't have them, we know they have spacesuits that some of the crew could have worn.
@@imperium3556 After researching this a little more, it seems that the space parasite was affecting all the ship's systems. Basically if it was made by Starfleet, it was infected. So spacesuits, shuttles, and escape pods wouldn't be an option.
You saved me from typing up a rather lengthy what if and why not type of statement just now The amount of ridiculous crap they had even in Discovery, you think they'd have some type of self-contained life support suits or something
They did have (and use) emergency masks in TOS, the TOS movies, Enterprise. But I guess that stuff is just too low-tech to be useful in the 24th century. Nobody would know how to operate devices which lack touchscreen interfaces.
@@sirarnie9837then for some crew there is the arboretum, use the actual plants for you know, their biological purpose. Also a ship the size of the enterprise has enough volume to contain enough O² to last the crew litterally days, the danger isn't a lack of O², it's the buildup of CO² that would kill them. That and it's all life support thats down, that includes the heating and the artificial gravity (which you never see go out even when the ship loses all power, they have magic floors).
Data's arc through the series was masterful. Kudos to the writing and especially Brent Spiner. If miscast, the lack of character could have killed the series, in my opinion.
funny that asphyxiation cause's so much sweating I would have thought they would just be resting in there chairs or on the floor not sweating like they where having tons of sex in on massive sex orgy🤣
Well, asides from his incredible talent, I'm sure that Mr. Spiner's good looks (at the time) also made Data a popular and adorable character as well. Asides from his handsome face, I also found Brent's hands pretty eye-catching when I see them up close; maybe it was the white makeup, but they look incredibly delicate, smooth, and beautiful for a guy. Even his fingernails look perfect like he gets them done regularly.
Data: Hey computer, we've got a limited amount of power. Please turn off the engines and focus on keeping these people alive. Computer: Sure, I'll make sure the air is good, return the temperature to human norms, and turn up all the lights. Data: I *just said* we were operating on limited power. Why would you use any of that power for additional lighting? Computer: So the viewers can understand that people aren't dying anymore. Data: Um...
I don't think there were civilian families per se. Everyone was pretty much either a Starfleet(military branch of the Federation) officer or a family member of a Starfleet officer with very few exceptions(Guinan, Mott the barber, and Keiko before she marries O'Brien come to mind).
How come I never see anybody in Starfleet getting commendations like Silver Stars and Medals of Honor? In addition to that, Data should have been Riker's rank before the show ended.
That's why right, it would convey a familiar, realistic element to the show. I hope those didn't become obsolete in the 24th century. What also bothered me is that they never seem to go to the bathroom. Atleast show Riker or Picard coming out a room with a toilet flushing sound.
Well, realistically, you wouldn't be constantly sending command staff on dangerous missions when you have well trained personnel to do preliminary work at the least. It's more of a combination of suspension of disbelief, dramatic priority, and budget considerations(though TNG did have it's share of regular extras and supporting cast). Overall, good questions, but don't let it ruin the overall fun of the experience.
This is a great trope. Whenever the crew is disabled and Seven or the EMH has to save Voyager, or T'Pol or Phlox save Enterprise, it's great fun to see.
Some people in Starfleet did see Data's value. They wanted to take him apart, learn how to build more, put one on every starship. Sad that other people in Starfleet opposed them. Think of all the lives which might've been saved.
Data would have gone up to the rank of Captain during this series in no time at all. Too bad the original writers didn't consider that. He'd be the fastest ranker ever.
Except if he were another person, he would have been higher in rank given how long he had been in Starfleet. I think he was held back on purpose because he was an android. They were afraid to promote him very far very fast.
The parasites were infecting all of the technology. Any life pods or shuttlecraft would likely be contaminated as well. Space suits don't provide much life support and could also be contaminated.
in hindsight.. it seems like the bridge should have its own emergency independant redundancies for life support.. or some emergency individual oxygen masks...
What always got me about life support failing was how quick they ran out of oxygen. With that high ceiling on the bridge there a lot of breathable air left. Several hours at least.
We know that there are EVA (extra vehicular activity, or space suits made to protect the wearer from the rigors of space and permit them to carry out repairs and other vital tasks while in a hostile environment) suits on the Enterprise. So they simply ignored them to make the loss of life support seem more dramatic than it was. The entire bridge crew could have been suited up and operating as normal. This is the 24th century, the suits surely have at least a days supply of air, and while it has never been shown (to my knowledge) they should have food and water as well.
it looks like Warp 6 is about the best I'm going to be able to give you. at that speed, Mr. LaForge .... there won't be a ship left to reach the Polaris field ..... sometimes, Picard was as blunt as a butter knife 🤣🤣
You know, kudos to Majel Barrett; she manages to have full conversations in her voiceovers as the Enterprise computer with the other actors and we don't even think about it.
In such a case, although there are certain areas of the ship with provisions as shelters with backup life support -- and Ten Forward is one, for example -- I would be extremely concerned about the little kids and unborn children.
Barely any life support for 2 hours, and within a minute or 2 of life support being restored, the crew wake up, as if they were just waking up from a hot room at night!
I love how typical military buracracy fails to exist in TNG. You just know there would be a political battle for control of Data and command of the Enterprise. Counselor Troi, too probably.
For the next 20 episodes data continues to run the enterprise as it becomes more and more hopeless. Data would be one of the only ones still alive. Then at some point a handful of officers that we have never seen start again... 😂
Good thing Data didn't have a glitch like when he took over the "Enterprise"😃😃😃😃😀😀😀😄😄😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀!!!!!!!!! The blonde behind Riker was Nice😃😃😃😀😀😀😀😄😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Why not get pressurized space suits for the key bridge and engineering officers? Also you could have people in shuttlecraft and use the life support there.
Well, I think I'm due to rewatch TNG again! This video made me decide. ;) Yeah, I know it's getting to be really "old" now and some episodes are a little cringy (season 1...yeesh lol!), but overall it was a great show. Time for a trip down memory lane! To a _positive_ future and not the depressing "angsty" kind of stuff that show runners seem to think people want these days. :/ Thankfully, I have the remastered collection. :) It's too bad they stopped remastering the rest of the shows. I have been following a guy who is working on his own remaster of DS9. Now that upsampling with A.I. is getting better and with more powerful PCs available, it's possible to make your own set of remastered episodes from the DVDs available. The results are really good. It just takes about a day to render each episode. :P Still, it's way better than what some studios put out today! :/
If you can control the whole ship from a single console even with power shortages, then what is everybody else doing in the ship? Why are there no emergency oxygen bottles so that at least the most important members of the crew (bridge, engineering and medic) can keep working despite the oxygen shortage?
enricmm85 Companies that have like 100 offices with a computer in each... It’s like you asking what everyone else in the office building does because the computer anyone of them can log into the system... Why have oxygen masks that drop down? The only time it could possibly be needed is in the event of a complete system wide failure which is so rare, it’s not a justifiable forethought...
There isn't any "important" and less important members of a shit in this time. All lives mater as much as the next. This was a new parasitic creature no one had heard of before causing very specific damage to the ship, damage that normally would never have happened. So there was no pre-prepared solution for this. Normally the life support system is alpha omega. Its not supposed to be possible to cause it to fail to such a degree. And as you saw, they were diverting all power to the warp engines. As soon as they got to the asteroid and stopped the ship, Data moved all the energy from the warp core back into the life support system, which restored it. It wasn't that the life support system entirely failed and couldn't be restored, they didn't have the power to both more the ship, and keep life support up and running. They could have waited around for help, and kept the life support up and running, but the parasites would have just caused more and more damage. Best plan was to rush forward and get them off. Beaming them didn't work, so they had to be lured off. And this is a exploration ship, it has all kinds of people including civilians that just live there. Not a battle ship. Tho in theory, one person could control the entire ship yes. But if two or more problems appeared, this person would have to split itself into two and go to two different locations. There is also a Day crew, and a Night crew to keep the ship moving and operational 24/7. And lets not get started on maintenance.
Because it is Star Trek and not The Expanse ;) but essential an airplane can be flying with one pilot but if things are failing than the thrill starts and you wish to have 20 pilots instead of 2 in the flight deck same goes to tng...
Is there any info on if Data received any accommodation for this incident? In our time this would certainly merit the Medal of Honor. It doesn't matter that for him he was unaffected by a lack of life support. He saved the 800+ crew. However I can't recall if this is before or after they had declared him fully sentient yet lol
Even before his trial in "Measure of a Man" he had numerous Starfleet commendations and awards, they referenced them to establish his character and service during the trial.
Brent Spiner should NEVER be ashamed of Data...he is easily one of my favorite characters in ANY damn thing lol and they REALLY need to have a spin off where he joins Worf and or Section 31
The artificial gravity generators use some kind of superconducting disks that spin at very high speed. They get priority amongst most other systems(even many one would think are more important, so in emergencies the crew can continue to work faster with the usual gravity in place versus low gravity or zero gravity) and even in the event of total power failure they can continue to provide something like 80% of regular gravity for a few hours thanks to the continued spinning of the superconductive disks despite the power loss. It's been a number of years so I don't remember every specific detail, but I read about the system in the Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual. I bought a copy a read it cover to cover several times.
@Simr Khera I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately, at one point in the last 20 years or so, my copy got severely water damaged and I threw it away.
Well, you're not far off. Often as more advanced alternatives become available, less advanced ones get phased out, often done for space and efficiency Keeping around techno-atavisms would just require more work to maintain, and when it comes down to dire circumstances the assumption is that if the more advanced system fails, you're probably already screwed anyway. It can seem silly, but it's a tradeoff. As for the show, well, just remember the MST3K theme. :)
I love how life support systems failing isn't making everyone freeze, but sweat. This is true to life. Only in Hollywood is space "cold". But space isn't cold, it's empty, which means that things at a certain temperature don't change easily as there is no air for convection to take place. Spacesuits have full-body coolers, because otherwise the astronauts will cook in their own body heat. A starship would need radiators and active cooling systems (fans or pumps, just like computers) to vent the heat produced by the machinery and the people to outer space.
I always thought there should be a direct interface for Data, instead of a regular tactile console. It is a total waste of time. Even if he moved incredibly fast, it would be like the difference between RAM memory Access speeds and a mechanical drive.
This is not correct. Sure, Data is capable of, and at time does, protect the ship and crew, but it is only because he is drawing power from Riker's beard. Riker's omnipotent beard is the real savior of the Enterprise D and it's crew. Ask Commander Riker. He'll tell you!
As a night owl, who prefers the night shift at my startups or at home, this is literally how I see myself - quietly saving everyone from chaos while they sleep.
The short version ..... there was a parasite in the ship's computer (from an asteroid field) that was consuming the cybernetics and causing shipwide malfunctions.
@@dhinton1 , ok, but it seems that they would die very quickly if the life support system failed. And thus the question is why would that be? Is the system responsible for holding the air in the ship? The apollo 13 guys went a week in space without a functioning "life support" system and returned safely.
@@HR-yd5ib the people on the Apollo 13 did not just have their life support break and then hope for the best. It was four days of constantly managing resources, not only stretching out oxygen to last them more time but to eject carbon dioxide in the cabin as to not suffocate. This was also only three people. If the life support had failed a day earlier, or if there was another person on board, the crew of the Apollo 13 may not have come back alive. The situation was already extremely tenuous. Now I am not going to say that this episode didn't exaggerate the situation for dramatic effect, but in certain circumstances I think that a dire situation like this could be feasible. I'm definitely not a scientist, nor did any kind of research into aerodynamics, but space being a vacuum does not lend itself to air circulating naturally like it would on earth I think. The Enterprise is so large that it's possible that there might be concentrated pockets of oxygen in some places and C02 in other places? Without proper air circulation that is provided by the life support. So on a ship with over a thousand people, and certain areas being blocked off, maybe the people consumed too much oxygen in a certain area to exacerbate the situation. You're probably right, that there would still be enough leftover oxygen within the cabins to have it be livable for a while. But maybe this kind of situation isn't too far off.
@@grahammantle8381 At Mt. Everest height, the % oxygen is 6.9%, or 33% of that at sea level. Some can climb Everest without oxygen masks, but they have been training at that altitude for a long time. At 20,000 feet, airplanes must have oxygen masks, and the % oxygen at this altitude is 46.4% of that at sea level. Riker says that they are "down 27%"(or 15.3% 0xygen, which equals an altitude of 8,000 feet, or the same as Apsen, CO...quite tolerable). If Riker meant they were "at 27%", then the equal altitude would be higher than Everest, and quite likely to make people pass out, even while resting.
I love this show but there are a lot of fails like why can't they fly above or below that asteroid field? when life support is failing why don't they have emergency oxygen masks for every floor and area?
This is one of those key moments where it shows why this is the flagship and the most elite crew of an entire galactic fleet. Theyre all about to lose consciousness and mostlikely die but nobody panics. Everyone simply carries out their tasks until their last breath and not giving data a speech about how he is their only hope just a simple reminder of their plan thats it. Easily the most disciplined crew.
It also demonstrates how this was one of the most well-written TV shows of its time as well-- they didn't need to beat you over the head with this information. They had enough trust in the audience's intelligence that they understood the stakes, and what made the characters' behavior and demeanor exceptional in this situation.
It also demonstrates why data is not supposed to just be a computer. As far as I recall, the plan didn't explicitly say to reroute warp power to life support on arrival. He observed the situation and took the appropriate steps to protect the crew. Pretty cool scene!
Imagine weanwhile at the Discovery: Everbody crying and telling each other separtely how much they love their comrades while passing out, waiting for Burnham to save the day by ignoring orders, redshirts dying left and right - never been mentioned again.
but I found it hard to believe, cos what they show is "high level elite interactions" not the whole ship, I'm sure on those decks where life support dies there were many screams and panic but due to limitation of the series' duration, it was not shown ...
@@nurburgringkid In the series' canon, I think roddenberry et. al. would have had them trusting their captain. A little nervous but they'd say things like "we've gotten through worse" etc.
A little corny I know but it seems like what they'd go for.
“Thanks for saving our lives, Data” - said no one ever
Picard did say well done so I guess that's close enough
They don't need to. He's there for them.
They all had a duty to the ship, before Comander Datas ego. Wich he lacked anyway.
99% chance they made a thank-you party, holodecknovel or concert for him.
Its military. This is part of the job, its not a superhero show.
Season 4, episode 17 "Night Terrors." Another episode where Data saves the crew. Captain Picard thanks Data before going to bed for some much needed sleep.
I like the attention to detail on whose uniforms are sweaty. Data's isn't because he's an android, and had no need to sweat. And while most of the biological crew's uniforms are soaked, Worf's isn't because as a Klingon, his body is full of redundancies for basically anything that can go wrong. Of _course_ he'd be the least affected out of everyone vulnerable to life support issues!
Don't know what the climate is like on Qo'nos, perhaps it's hot as balls there and Klingons have evolved to deal with it.
@@asvarien From what I recall, it's pretty Earth-like, but the variance in weather is prone to some more severe ends of the spectrum. Klingons do tend to keep their ships a bit warmer than Starfleet Standards, and do seem to be more comfortable with humidity (or it may just be that they're less likely to complain about it or show a distaste...signs of weakness and all).
Evolution though has less to do with Klingons currently physiology then most other species actually, as their genetic history is littered with tampering...the Klingon "Gods" supposedly modified them to serve as a warrior race (a bit like the Jem'hadar, but with less 'don't rebel on me' safeties...the Klingons killed their gods by the way...), the Hur'q overlords and pillagers supposedly messed up the Klingons a bit too, and then the Klingons did it too themselves multiple times over with things like the Augment Plague, the Retroviral cure for said plague, and then the cure for cure (possibly different versions of said cure as well, as evidenced by Discovery-era Klingon Nobles). Wouldn't surprise me if some of that Genetic Engineering tech got mixed with the results of Romulan Eugenics (or vice versa) either, given that Klingons share a hemoglobin type with Romulans, despite still having iron-based blood, not copper like Romulans and other Vulcanoids (as we learn in the episode where Worf refuses to be a blood donor to an injured romulan, who's hemoglobin-factor makes him ineligible for Vulcan-based transfusions)....
...oh, and then there's the whole involvement in the Temporal Cold War (as seen in the pilot episode of ENT), and given how Temporal Agents were handing out enhancements to certain client species like Juba-juba sticks on Bajor during Emissary Day...including the ability to encode secret messages and data into Klingon Blood...yeahhhh...trying to map the contempory Average Klingon Genome is probably a task that even the Daystrom Institute has given up on...
So, it's unknown if the brak'kul (sp?), the Klingon physiological redundant organs/systems, were naturally evolved from a pre-tampering ancestor (like that wolf/scorpion/tag'h thing that Worf was devolving into in that one episode) or if it was one of the enhancements made along the way.
Side note: When the monks cloned Kahless the Unforgettable from a bloodstainned dagger, did they have to update his genetic code as well? Because otherwise, there are a few things running around his fellow klingons (like the left over vestiges of the Augment Plague) that could have been verrrrry detrimental to his well-being.
@@sklaWlivE Wow thats a lot of info. I thought the wedding story about the gods was just myth.
@@asvarien It's Star Trek...most myths have some elements of truth. It's pretty heavilly hinted that the wedding/genesis myth in the Klingon folklore is another example of this. "Gods" modify Klingons as a servitor race, Klingons rebel and kill/drive off "Gods, Klingons retell the story with added embellishments each time the story is retold, until viola! Wedding Myth.
Too bad he didn’t have a redundancy to getting his ass kicked
You would think they would at least have oxygen masks and personal oxygen tanks for the bridge.
or, I don't know ... space suits? on a space ship?
@@eyescreamcake Space Suits even by TNG times drastically limit mobility and could make effectively working with consoles near impossible. The bridge had a responsibility for a thousand people here, and they choose to focus on saving them rather then themself.
They had a emergency solution - his name is Data, Rank: Lt. Cmdr. If they did not have him, they would have had to sacrifice some people to maintain bridge life support.
They had a parasite that was - quite literally - turning all the systems into jelli.
They were actually not loosing Oxygen, but intentionally replacing it with a gas to slow down the process - and thus hopefully making it all the way to the field.
The ship was quite literally getting eaten and you can bet they had to do some serious repairs after this. Propably a month in spacedock or something like that.
@@christopherg2347 cool its the future have space suits for this EXACT reason
@@PuppetierMaster Airplanes have oxygen enrichment masks. And those are only for specific heights.
Any explosive decompression will knock you out with pressure (low pressure has liquid leaving your bloodvessels, slowing the flow) long before the lack of Oxygen reaching your lungs can.
For anyone wondering, this is from the episode TNG: "Cost of Living"
THANK YOU!!!
@@AB-vt1cp it's a great episode
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Thaaanks, was looking for this
you got the wrong episode
this is from Clues
Star Trek TNG was by far the best Star Trek concept ever. Exceptional combination of acting talent.
DS9 better..😁
@axel axel in 15-20 years we would be saying same about tng and ds9
@axel axel i agree TNG was too political how many times did they preach the prime directive only to abandon it when it served their purpose? DS9 was like a great piece of swiss cheese the cheese was good but full of holes some episodes made no sense & Sisko was at best a below average starship commander
TNG was the best after Season 1 (when I first saw the show, it didn't appeal to me). The episode that got me wondering about it was "Up the Long Ladder."
It had one colony of Amish like culture and another technologically advanced, but of clones that could not have children (but both were originally of the same colonists, just split up early in their voyage). LOL
I prefer ST Voyager, it had a mixture of everything (plus, Voyager being the first star ship that could land, shown in Season 2). :)
@@elanorglf lol nope. Tng is one of the top 10 shows ever made
Mr. Data has saved everyone's asses more then any other crew mate lol
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And no Captain Pike Medal of Valor or Starfleet Medal of Honor.
He often also put their lives in danger
So I guess you could say...he's worth his metal.
This is another example of how Data tries to be human. By doing his job well and knowing that all others, even the Captain, can rely upon him!
@@SKINWALKER when he was packing to leave the enterprise he had lots of Starfleet medals that he kept. So while we didn't seem him receive them on screen they did acknowledge his contributions from time to time.
What I like about Data is he does NOT follow the same trope as other AI’s and seeks to exterminate us. In fact, he is PROTECTING US! A breath of fresh air for AI’s.
"A breath of fresh air for AI’s"
ironic choice of words given the context
And now we have Chat GPT.....awesome
Exactly. Our evolution has created in us the instinct to fear something that's "new" first. The truth is, few are willing to consider the alternative. Data, Samantha in the film "Her" and the imagined future in the episode "San Junipero" from "Black Mirror" is all I can think of in terms of people imaging a positive future with AI.
@@carolynm8421 TV is not the extent of human thinking lol.
In TNG, Spock's character, from TOS, has been split into two people: Data represents the coldly logical Vulcan half, while Deanna Troi represents Spock's human empathy and mind-reading abilities.
Being an Android/AI is just an updated variation of the motif -- it has nothing to do with 'tropes' about AI -- it's an expression of one particular dichotomy that exists within human personality... a tendency towards thinking, based on sensory input, compared to a tendency towards feeling, based on intuitive input.
I'm sure we can all remember when Data got a 'feeling chip' installed, LOL. It's all symbolic, guys.
I grew up with this show. It really helped shaped my values. Persistence, curiosity, working together towards a worthy goal and patience just to name a few. I also did not really have a close relationship to my dad. In many ways, this show and the characters helped me fill that void. I didn't of course realize it at the time, but now 30 years later, I see just how much that show meant to me. I just turned 39 so seeing the much older Patrick Stewart in Star Trek Picard and all the other characters really brought home the fact that more than a quarter century has passed since then. The death of Data was really moving
My soul brother, same here. I turn 39 in August, and the dynamic of.how Picard treats those around him influenced me as a science kid growing up as well.
Ending of Picard season 10 was touching.
No homo
Same here. I always say 4 people taught me how to be a man: my grandfathers, my father, and Jean-Luc Picard. And I’ll be 40 this fall, so I think there was something special about when this show was on the air in our formative years.
same here. the show aired at sunday's noon, and it was a family event, and when it ended we discussed the episode during dinner. those moments are of the best memories I have of my childhood and family.
...except my family was and is kind of fucked up in other ways, and I turned out to be too weak not to succumb to that. but even as i'm becoming more and more of a bad person, the lessons I got from TNG about what it means to be quality human with integrity, are still with me, and allow me to measure how far down into the rot I slide.
if I ever manage to get out from it, and if I ever manage to have children of my own, watching TNG (and then DS9) at sunday noon and then discussing them during dinner is a custom I will create and maintain for them.
I have yet to find any other show that is as valuable as morality and philosophy lessons (while actually being engaging) as TNG/DS9 are.
Same here. I'm only 18 and it's been extremely positive energy in my life. I started watching Star Trek when I was either 14 or 15, and I actually got to meet Marina Sirtis (Troy)!
Most people look at Picard as a second father, but my connection to Data was much stronger. I was born with autism and have found it difficult as a young child to have good conversations with people. Now, I started watching Star Trek after most of my problems with this went away (it would've helped to see him during the process, but it all turned out), I still had and still have some problems with communication and, being human. Seeing Data's journey was heavily inspiring. He not only taught me some things, but I viewed him as a friend or even as a brother going through the same stuff I was going through. His death really hurt, but I accepted it.
I hope one day I can meet Brent Spiner and tell him how much his character means to me!
Same me soul brother. I am 39 soon.
One loses count how many times Enterprise-D would have certainly been doomed if Mr. Data hadn't been there throughout the course of the entire TNG series. Easily one of the greatest Star Trek characters ever.
yeah data was made to save the day
Yeah. Voyager was lucky it survived more than 10 years in the Delta quadrant without an android like Data but they did have the doctor hologram and 7 of 9 so I guess that's close.
And that's why we have to construct more Datas! One for every ship! (See Episode The measure of man")
@@Elly3981 only 7 years
@@Guardian582 About 23 years until Admiral Janeway went back in time to change it.
I grew up on this. Data was easily my, and my family's, most loved character. Dad liked how he matured, and Mom loved his silly and smart moments. I liked, like, how astute and curious he is. He's no fool, and always willing to learn.
That is a quality we should all possess.
the parasites are trying to kill us all
I thought Data was a very amusing and adorable character to watch. Despite his intelligence and superhuman abilities, he's so innocent and childlike. Data's honesty and straightforwardness often create hilarity when they come across as annoying, creepy, or downright shocking to others. I also think that Brent Spiner's good looks made Data a popular character as well.
he always looked at things with the wonder and awe of a child
@theominousalyssa4832 Well, that's because he kinda is a child. Even Wesley has probably been alive longer than Data has been activated.
Let’s face it the enterprise would have been destroyed on more occasions than one if it weren’t for data. This character deserved more than he got.
He even prevented full scale war from breaking out when he stopped Geordi from shooting the Klingon governor in one episode.
@@Thatslifebro_ Picard was the one who stopped him. Though he might not have known if Worf hadn't been told about the compromise in which he alerted Picard before Geordi shot
@@KaptainRPG OH, now that you mention it seems i misremembered somewhat. Data warned Worf after he figured out the Romulan plot, Worf tried to stop Geordi and in the commotion Worf caused Picard noticed the Phaser and prevented Geordi from following his order.
So Data assisted and got the MVP, but wasn't technically the one stopping Geordi.
and now Troi was promoted...over data... what the hell
Wow. The notes pointing out that Data doesn't need life support were super helpful.
it's what Data was built for
@@raven4k998 found the autist
Lol
If they didn’t summarize what was happening on screen how could we know?
@@Doomsquad99 easy watch the show simple🤣🤣🤣
Yes, would’ve been a huge mystery indeed🤨
Picard, calmly:” Picard to engineering what’s happening”
Meanwhile everything is going to absolute shit I’m engineering 😂
"Piccard: If that keeps happening we'll all die.
LaForge, through gritted teeth: I'm aware, sir.
LAFORGE HERE
I canna doo it man I don’t have the power !
Its always fun to watch computer talking to other computer. Data to the system
Apparently while they can travel many times faster then light speed, teleport human bodies and minds without losing memories, character traits or even the tiniest personality quirk......somehow they haven’t yet invented Bluetooth.
Data isn't a computer
@@joblount4787 He's a positronic, autonomous, supercomputer. He can even double as a floatation device in an emergency.
@@rkmugen agreed. Awesome comment 🙌
@@PaulHussey01 i like to think that data physically talking to the system (in this scene) is for us the viewers benefit. And in most other scenes its probably for the crews benefit...or its a safety feature
For supporting evidence even when he is doing that mutany and is talking to the computer they act like they dont hear him leading me to believe that data is talking to the ships computer wirelessly
I love Data's little flourishes on the control pad.
Considering the volume of air contained within the Enterprise, it always amazes me how quickly the crew begin to feel the effects when life support is interrupted. 😊
The are all extremely hyperventilating while the ship itself isn't airtight whatsoever, the only logical conclusion
@@ion_entertainment2503 🤭 Yeah, when life support fails the exterior vents drop open.
Well I for one pass out instantly when power cuts out on the Isle of Wight. XD
It's possible that the life support malfunction set the air to get heated.
true apparently apollo 13 had to deal with life support issues but they made it.
I wonder if Data's back hurt from carrying the Enterprise all this time. They'd be dead at least a thousand times over without him.
it's a good thing those parasite didn't go after data's Nitrium or they would have been doomed🤣🤣
One thing i never understood was why life support failing meant immediate death? The amount of oxygen in a space the size of the Enterprise would have meant days of atmosphere.
There are a Iot of ppl breathing. Plus a lot of space is taken up with machines and metal, meaning not as much room for oxygen.
Plus life support does alot of things. Keeping put radiation, warming the ship so they don't breathe AND ventilating the air so it stays breathable. We don't know if any machines put things into the air that make it unreachable that life support filters out. We don't get much of an explanation on things.
Just my thoughts and wondering
@@GothBiDemiGirl Actually, the ships only have about 1012 crew and passengers aboard. Specs say can be crewed by between 1000 to 6000 people but carry 15000 if need be. However, when mentioned on the show its around 1012. Its length is 641 meters with 42 decks. You could walk for days and not run into anybody. Honestly, just by oxygen available in these large spaces you would survive for days before CO2 became an issue. What is the true reason? Dramatic Television.
I'm going to say they lost consciousness due to the g-forces from the Enterprise's maneuvers. They were sweating because of a heat byproduct from the overtaxed inertial dampeners.
The problem is, that with each % less O2 you have 1% more CO2. And too much CO2 makes you unconscience. And if you don't stop that, you will simply breath yourself to death.
The details is amazing. I noticed how the ship lighting rises slowly after Data redirects power from the Warp engine to life support while it was dark when power levels were bottomed out.
PHEW 😅 that Galaxy class starship sure is sexy! It will forever be my favorite Federation starship and I don’t care about what ship can destroy it or how outdated it gets, it truly is a beautiful design.
Currently re watching TNG for the first time since I was a child. Had forgotten how great these characters are. Picard was a good series and ended perfectly but it could never be as good at TNG. Data was always my favourite, was devastated at the end of Nemesis but pleased they were able to write him back in for Picard. Will always love Star Trek.
don't you just love how they recover so quickly after life support is restored you would think it would take time and you would hear the hissing of air pouring into the bridge to restore oxygen levels to normal once life support is powered back up but nope they just get up cause the lights are back on and they are fine like magic
Having Data on the ship was a blessing and a curse. You never knew when he was going to get manipulated and going rogue.
In 'Brothers' Data basically takes over the entire ship all by himself and locks everybody out 😂 The rest of the crew was no match
On the flip side, people tend to overlook the instances where biological crew members were possessed or mind controlled and Data was one of the few unaffected and saved the ship. It works both ways.
Having a crew member who's basically immune to most things that would affect the rest of the crew does impose some limitations on writing possibilities. There are a few episodes where Data has to be gotten out of the way so the story can work. The episode with the addictive mind control game springs to mind, and the one where the crew regresses into primative beasts. Both times Data has to out of the way or incapcitated only to return and save the day.
I love that they meet new races and people and not that many people wonder why Data is yellow
He probably, routinely, made his own firewall upgrades.
And then they promoted Troi over him.
RIGHT?!
That was just because she couldn’t wear a catsuit anymore...
cos she's a really pretty betazoid and data is just an android
Well, data is 3rd officer and Troi was technically noncommissioned. Plus she got to crash the enterprise twice... So the universe balances out.
Data is smart, but he lacks a morality compass. Sometimes its not the smartest person in the room that makes the best captain, but the one who understands compassion the most.
They should have emergency oxygen supplies on hand for the crew to use.
But even if they didn't have them, we know they have spacesuits that some of the crew could have worn.
There's also the classic "surely they could just pile into the shuttles and escape pods, which have separate life support systems."
@@imperium3556 After researching this a little more, it seems that the space parasite was affecting all the ship's systems. Basically if it was made by Starfleet, it was infected. So spacesuits, shuttles, and escape pods wouldn't be an option.
You saved me from typing up a rather lengthy what if and why not type of statement just now
The amount of ridiculous crap they had even in Discovery, you think they'd have some type of self-contained life support suits or something
They did have (and use) emergency masks in TOS, the TOS movies, Enterprise.
But I guess that stuff is just too low-tech to be useful in the 24th century. Nobody would know how to operate devices which lack touchscreen interfaces.
@@sirarnie9837then for some crew there is the arboretum, use the actual plants for you know, their biological purpose.
Also a ship the size of the enterprise has enough volume to contain enough O² to last the crew litterally days, the danger isn't a lack of O², it's the buildup of CO² that would kill them. That and it's all life support thats down, that includes the heating and the artificial gravity (which you never see go out even when the ship loses all power, they have magic floors).
Love how they come so far as to trust the lives of over 1.000 people to this Android without even a second thought.
does co2 poisoning cause that much sweating? cause it seems excessive
Data's arc through the series was masterful. Kudos to the writing and especially Brent Spiner. If miscast, the lack of character could have killed the series, in my opinion.
funny that asphyxiation cause's so much sweating I would have thought they would just be resting in there chairs or on the floor not sweating like they where having tons of sex in on massive sex orgy🤣
Well, asides from his incredible talent, I'm sure that Mr. Spiner's good looks (at the time) also made Data a popular and adorable character as well. Asides from his handsome face, I also found Brent's hands pretty eye-catching when I see them up close; maybe it was the white makeup, but they look incredibly delicate, smooth, and beautiful for a guy. Even his fingernails look perfect like he gets them done regularly.
I always wondered, how Data would have been with Colm Meaney in his place, who actually applied for Data's role.
@Elly3981 As an actor in a TV show I'm fairly certain he gets this done very regularly. As well as his hair cuts, shaving etc. 🙂
I LOVE STAR TREK TNG I GREW UP WITH THIS HERE SHOW
Data: Hey computer, we've got a limited amount of power. Please turn off the engines and focus on keeping these people alive.
Computer: Sure, I'll make sure the air is good, return the temperature to human norms, and turn up all the lights.
Data: I *just said* we were operating on limited power. Why would you use any of that power for additional lighting?
Computer: So the viewers can understand that people aren't dying anymore.
Data: Um...
Imagine being one of the civilian families on this ship and never knowing what the hell is going on.
I don't think there were civilian families per se. Everyone was pretty much either a Starfleet(military branch of the Federation) officer or a family member of a Starfleet officer with very few exceptions(Guinan, Mott the barber, and Keiko before she marries O'Brien come to mind).
@@jtenorj Starfleet is not military.
@@Ragitsu then explain why they use the same ranks as the US Navy, that seems militar- like to me
@@DantesonofSparda85Police departments and firefighters use ranks, too.
I love ❤️ data the android,he,s a hero.
he's not he,s
I love how everyone wakes up at the same time with headaches or adverse side effects.
Not only that, but they gain conscience from left to right, at the speed tha camera pans. How convenient! :)
How come I never see anybody in Starfleet getting commendations like Silver Stars and Medals of Honor? In addition to that, Data should have been Riker's rank before the show ended.
That's why right, it would convey a familiar, realistic element to the show. I hope those didn't become obsolete in the 24th century. What also bothered me is that they never seem to go to the bathroom. Atleast show Riker or Picard coming out a room with a toilet flushing sound.
@@Quibblet captain. All the heads on the ship are clogged up. I suggest beaming the obstruction out in space.
Well, realistically, you wouldn't be constantly sending command staff on dangerous missions when you have well trained personnel to do preliminary work at the least. It's more of a combination of suspension of disbelief, dramatic priority, and budget considerations(though TNG did have it's share of regular extras and supporting cast). Overall, good questions, but don't let it ruin the overall fun of the experience.
They do get commendations.
In measuer of a man it is shiwn that data has recieved multiple commendations. They just dont wear them to everyday duty
They've shown data with physical accommodations and mentioned crew getting them countless times in every series.
This is a great trope. Whenever the crew is disabled and Seven or the EMH has to save Voyager, or T'Pol or Phlox save Enterprise, it's great fun to see.
now that's what i call being the MVP
That lady in 01:12 being helped up is one of my favorite side characters in TNG. Wish she would have been more actively written in episodes.
Dear Skynet, Thank you for showing us this clip, but it changes nothing.
Commander Data was always a good...valued member of the crew. I am Sad that some people in starfleet did not see it that way
Some people in Starfleet did see Data's value. They wanted to take him apart, learn how to build more, put one on every starship.
Sad that other people in Starfleet opposed them. Think of all the lives which might've been saved.
I agree. I've written Star Fleet about that and hopefully, they will receive my observations in the future.
@@pwnmeisterageThey could have made holograms that could do all the same things Data could. Every ship has a doctor hologram like the one on Voyager.
Data would have gone up to the rank of Captain during this series in no time at all. Too bad the original writers didn't consider that. He'd be the fastest ranker ever.
Except if he were another person, he would have been higher in rank given how long he had been in Starfleet. I think he was held back on purpose because he was an android. They were afraid to promote him very far very fast.
@@jtenorj yeah politics.
Except he wasn't. Geordi was promoted the fastest on the show. LT JG to Lt Cmdr in no time.
…and they had FAMILIES on this ship! With all the dangers and malfunctions they went through over the years, I find that just staggering!
Incredible beauty shot of the ship at 3:05. Don’t recall seeing this angle in any other episode.
THANKS FOR THE CLIP MARK!
YOU RULE!
I LOVE STAR TREK TNG
1:00
“we need more speed"
Snorts from back of hand.
lol
a little love for geordi’s “WOrkin On it SIR”
As so very often, Data saves the day :)
they don't have oxygen masks in the future?
Nor was in a fetal position either..lol
Apparently they never thought of simply putting on space suits or taking shelter in life pods or shuttlecraft.
The parasites were infecting all of the technology. Any life pods or shuttlecraft would likely be contaminated as well. Space suits don't provide much life support and could also be contaminated.
in hindsight.. it seems like the bridge should have its own emergency independant redundancies for life support.. or some emergency individual oxygen masks...
My favorite character in TNG.
What always got me about life support failing was how quick they ran out of oxygen. With that high ceiling on the bridge there a lot of breathable air left. Several hours at least.
Used to happen all the time way back when had a 75 Ford Maverick with a bad gas meter. Coast into the pit stop all like put in 9 dollars ha!
They always get sweaty when life support fails.
And the lights dim. Its like like nap time or something.
The humidity and temperature is rising.
I thought it was cold in space. They should be freezing.
@@elanorglf In the ship. The environmental controls must be glitching.
Why they get sweaty when that happens.
We know that there are EVA (extra vehicular activity, or space suits made to protect the wearer from the rigors of space and permit them to carry out repairs and other vital tasks while in a hostile environment) suits on the Enterprise. So they simply ignored them to make the loss of life support seem more dramatic than it was. The entire bridge crew could have been suited up and operating as normal. This is the 24th century, the suits surely have at least a days supply of air, and while it has never been shown (to my knowledge) they should have food and water as well.
They may have had a few EVA suits on board, but probably nowhere near enough for everyone on board. And I doubt they had suits sized for children.
If Data received all of the appropriate recognition and promotions for all of his actions, his title would be God Emperor of the Federation.
it looks like Warp 6 is about the best I'm going to be able to give you.
at that speed, Mr. LaForge .... there won't be a ship left to reach the Polaris field .....
sometimes, Picard was as blunt as a butter knife 🤣🤣
You know, kudos to Majel Barrett; she manages to have full conversations in her voiceovers as the Enterprise computer with the other actors and we don't even think about it.
In such a case, although there are certain areas of the ship with provisions as shelters with backup life support -- and Ten Forward is one, for example -- I would be extremely concerned about the little kids and unborn children.
Barely any life support for 2 hours, and within a minute or 2 of life support being restored, the crew wake up, as if they were just waking up from a hot room at night!
"As you can see the crew survived"
"And get some water to the bridge! I just sweated off 5 pounds."
1:12....Tracee Cocco, one of Star Trek's hottest extra's haha!
I guess
The human crew went without oxygen for 2+ hours and then just wake up like they were napping?😂
I love how typical military buracracy fails to exist in TNG. You just know there would be a political battle for control of Data and command of the Enterprise. Counselor Troi, too probably.
There was. "The measure of a man".
Revisited the series twice in my life. Waiting for the old age to really kick in so I can be mesmerized again.
To be fair I knew the crew would survive based on this not being the final episode.
For the next 20 episodes data continues to run the enterprise as it becomes more and more hopeless. Data would be one of the only ones still alive. Then at some point a handful of officers that we have never seen start again... 😂
Never would've thought they'd survive!
Good thing Data didn't have a glitch like when he took over the "Enterprise"😃😃😃😃😀😀😀😄😄😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀!!!!!!!!!
The blonde behind Riker was Nice😃😃😃😀😀😀😀😄😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
I love how they're all sweaty, as though they all just woke up from a nap suffering from hypoxia.
Why not get pressurized space suits for the key bridge and engineering officers? Also you could have people in shuttlecraft and use the life support there.
Episode is "Cost of Living", 5x20
Well, I think I'm due to rewatch TNG again! This video made me decide. ;) Yeah, I know it's getting to be really "old" now and some episodes are a little cringy (season 1...yeesh lol!), but overall it was a great show. Time for a trip down memory lane! To a _positive_ future and not the depressing "angsty" kind of stuff that show runners seem to think people want these days. :/ Thankfully, I have the remastered collection. :) It's too bad they stopped remastering the rest of the shows. I have been following a guy who is working on his own remaster of DS9. Now that upsampling with A.I. is getting better and with more powerful PCs available, it's possible to make your own set of remastered episodes from the DVDs available. The results are really good. It just takes about a day to render each episode. :P Still, it's way better than what some studios put out today! :/
2:21 shades of the DS9 theme
Bring back Star Trek like this CBS, no more trash, loud noise and stupid jokes.
After all these years I realized that the beam was not emitted by the coordinates instructed by Data.
Today on "Why the hell was he never promoted"
TNG is awesome! And it's so kind of the crew to help *Gozer the Gozerian* 1:12
If you can control the whole ship from a single console even with power shortages, then what is everybody else doing in the ship? Why are there no emergency oxygen bottles so that at least the most important members of the crew (bridge, engineering and medic) can keep working despite the oxygen shortage?
enricmm85 You seriously need me to answer that for you?
@@alandouglas2789 At first no but now you have my curiosity. What is your reply to that?
enricmm85 Companies that have like 100 offices with a computer in each... It’s like you asking what everyone else in the office building does because the computer anyone of them can log into the system...
Why have oxygen masks that drop down? The only time it could possibly be needed is in the event of a complete system wide failure which is so rare, it’s not a justifiable forethought...
There isn't any "important" and less important members of a shit in this time.
All lives mater as much as the next.
This was a new parasitic creature no one had heard of before causing very specific damage to the ship, damage that normally would never have happened. So there was no pre-prepared solution for this.
Normally the life support system is alpha omega. Its not supposed to be possible to cause it to fail to such a degree.
And as you saw, they were diverting all power to the warp engines.
As soon as they got to the asteroid and stopped the ship, Data moved all the energy from the warp core back into the life support system, which restored it.
It wasn't that the life support system entirely failed and couldn't be restored, they didn't have the power to both more the ship, and keep life support up and running.
They could have waited around for help, and kept the life support up and running, but the parasites would have just caused more and more damage.
Best plan was to rush forward and get them off. Beaming them didn't work, so they had to be lured off.
And this is a exploration ship, it has all kinds of people including civilians that just live there.
Not a battle ship.
Tho in theory, one person could control the entire ship yes. But if two or more problems appeared, this person would have to split itself into two and go to two different locations.
There is also a Day crew, and a Night crew to keep the ship moving and operational 24/7.
And lets not get started on maintenance.
Because it is Star Trek and not The Expanse ;) but essential an airplane can be flying with one pilot but if things are failing than the thrill starts and you wish to have 20 pilots instead of 2 in the flight deck same goes to tng...
It's crazy to think in the future during long treks into uncharted space, nobody carries an oxygen mask.
Is there any info on if Data received any accommodation for this incident? In our time this would certainly merit the Medal of Honor. It doesn't matter that for him he was unaffected by a lack of life support. He saved the 800+ crew. However I can't recall if this is before or after they had declared him fully sentient yet lol
After seeing how they treat androids in Picard, Data was lucky to get his own room.
Does Starfleet even do that kind of thing?
Commendation. Accommodation is a hotel room. Unless you're asking if Data got a free room on the government's dime?
Even before his trial in "Measure of a Man" he had numerous Starfleet commendations and awards, they referenced them to establish his character and service during the trial.
Brent Spiner should NEVER be ashamed of Data...he is easily one of my favorite characters in ANY damn thing lol
and they REALLY need to have a spin off where he joins Worf and or Section 31
Data always saves the day.
As a Captain, I would have put some Crewmen in spacesuits to assist Data, but I think takin a nap during worktime is as good as any other option...
I know i have seen this episode at least twice but i dont remember any of this.
That's because they kind of throw it in as a subplot, and it's easily forgotten.
3:20 Damn, that bridge extra is staaaaacked
Yet somehow they never lose gravity.
The artificial gravity generators use some kind of superconducting disks that spin at very high speed. They get priority amongst most other systems(even many one would think are more important, so in emergencies the crew can continue to work faster with the usual gravity in place versus low gravity or zero gravity) and even in the event of total power failure they can continue to provide something like 80% of regular gravity for a few hours thanks to the continued spinning of the superconductive disks despite the power loss. It's been a number of years so I don't remember every specific detail, but I read about the system in the Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual. I bought a copy a read it cover to cover several times.
@Simr Khera I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately, at one point in the last 20 years or so, my copy got severely water damaged and I threw it away.
Is it possible that was the only episode in which the term Bussard collector is spoken aloud?
Scotty would have done it in 1/8 of the time
Scotty always, always lied about how long it would take to get something done. So he would seem to be a miracle worker.
@@onin-zh2wm, 100% correct. But! He was a miracle worker nonetheless. Cheers.
@@SimrKhera, how so?
TNG: Mona Lisa of SIFI. Did you hear that Kurtzman!
Currently in the future if they don’t have oxygen masks they must be too advanced lol
Well, you're not far off. Often as more advanced alternatives become available, less advanced ones get phased out, often done for space and efficiency Keeping around techno-atavisms would just require more work to maintain, and when it comes down to dire circumstances the assumption is that if the more advanced system fails, you're probably already screwed anyway. It can seem silly, but it's a tradeoff. As for the show, well, just remember the MST3K theme. :)
I love how life support systems failing isn't making everyone freeze, but sweat. This is true to life. Only in Hollywood is space "cold". But space isn't cold, it's empty, which means that things at a certain temperature don't change easily as there is no air for convection to take place. Spacesuits have full-body coolers, because otherwise the astronauts will cook in their own body heat. A starship would need radiators and active cooling systems (fans or pumps, just like computers) to vent the heat produced by the machinery and the people to outer space.
the entire crew are feeling like fried eggs by sweating but Data because he’s an android and androids don’t sweat
Thank you captain obvious...
that 'beam' did not come from the Bussard collectors...
I always thought there should be a direct interface for Data, instead of a regular tactile console. It is a total waste of time. Even if he moved incredibly fast, it would be like the difference between RAM memory Access speeds and a mechanical drive.
Ever seen the episode "Fistful of Datas"? They tried connecting him directly to the ship. It did not go well.
@@jtenorj nope
With Data: They Survived
Without Data: They all dead
This is not correct. Sure, Data is capable of, and at time does, protect the ship and crew, but it is only because he is drawing power from Riker's beard. Riker's omnipotent beard is the real savior of the Enterprise D and it's crew. Ask Commander Riker. He'll tell you!
As a night owl, who prefers the night shift at my startups or at home, this is literally how I see myself - quietly saving everyone from chaos while they sleep.
What exactly is this life support system doing?
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Life_support_system
The short version ..... there was a parasite in the ship's computer (from an asteroid field) that was consuming the cybernetics and causing shipwide malfunctions.
@@dhinton1 , ok, but it seems that they would die very quickly if the life support system failed. And thus the question is why would that be? Is the system responsible for holding the air in the ship? The apollo 13 guys went a week in space without a functioning "life support" system and returned safely.
@@HR-yd5ib the people on the Apollo 13 did not just have their life support break and then hope for the best. It was four days of constantly managing resources, not only stretching out oxygen to last them more time but to eject carbon dioxide in the cabin as to not suffocate. This was also only three people. If the life support had failed a day earlier, or if there was another person on board, the crew of the Apollo 13 may not have come back alive. The situation was already extremely tenuous.
Now I am not going to say that this episode didn't exaggerate the situation for dramatic effect, but in certain circumstances I think that a dire situation like this could be feasible. I'm definitely not a scientist, nor did any kind of research into aerodynamics, but space being a vacuum does not lend itself to air circulating naturally like it would on earth I think. The Enterprise is so large that it's possible that there might be concentrated pockets of oxygen in some places and C02 in other places? Without proper air circulation that is provided by the life support. So on a ship with over a thousand people, and certain areas being blocked off, maybe the people consumed too much oxygen in a certain area to exacerbate the situation. You're probably right, that there would still be enough leftover oxygen within the cabins to have it be livable for a while. But maybe this kind of situation isn't too far off.
@@grahammantle8381 At Mt. Everest height, the % oxygen is 6.9%, or 33% of that at sea level. Some can climb Everest without oxygen masks, but they have been training at that altitude for a long time. At 20,000 feet, airplanes must have oxygen masks, and the % oxygen at this altitude is 46.4% of that at sea level. Riker says that they are "down 27%"(or 15.3% 0xygen, which equals an altitude of 8,000 feet, or the same as Apsen, CO...quite tolerable). If Riker meant they were "at 27%", then the equal altitude would be higher than Everest, and quite likely to make people pass out, even while resting.
"Open the pod door, Hal". "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave"
I love this show but there are a lot of fails like why can't they fly above or below that asteroid field? when life support is failing why don't they have emergency oxygen masks for every floor and area?
I feel like at the Enterprise’s level of technology, if there’s a failure oxygen masks wouldn’t help.