Did this today on my mock check ride, works great. You also don’t have to worry about the cone of confusion, varying levels of sensitivity, etc when you deal with a vor. I also like setting up a hold in foreflight for my SA.
Great trick. I find it also keeps you from chasing the needle as much because GPS readings on the OBS are less sensitive (At least in my aircraft. Know your aircraft!) One thing to be careful with is using this on a check ride. My examiner failed the GPS during my hold effectively removing my ability to switch from GPS to VLOC so make sure if you have a NAV2 like he does, that you also tune your VOR on NAV2 so you have one CDI already indicating with a VHF backup.
I think it did not because his receiver was set to GPS and the OBS needles and to/from is effectively not being used in OBS. I have the same question. The OBS knob seems to be used only when receiver is set to OBS to he can manipulate the magenta in the GPS.
Do you turn the OBS to the inbound course during the turn? Can you do it before reaching the fix, knowing the heading you will turn outbound before hand? (I have Garmin G500, so I can set the heading bug on the outbound, and I want to make so much as I can BEFORE getting into the hold)
1) so does the gps treat it like a vor by pressing OBS, or does it switch to the actual VOR receiver? 2) What if you are told to hold on a waypoint bearing, does this also work the same? The obs selector gives you bearings to the waypoint based on OBS?
1. When you press OBS it doesn't switch to the VOR, it still uses the GPS, but acts like a VOR basically, but without the cone of confusion and the CDI sensitivity does not change with distance. It can do the same thing to a GPS waypoint that isn't a VOR, in case you need to hold at an intersection or a DME fix. 2. Yes, when you press OBS, the GPS will show your deviation from whatever bearing you select, much like a VOR.
I know it is not completely correct but i think of it this way: Pressing OBS tells the Nav unit to grab the next waypoint and focus only on it. Doesnt matter what that waypoint is. If the controler says the word "radial", I put that number at the bottom of my CDI display because a radial "radiates" from a point and the bottom of the CDI can be thought of as the "from" side. If he says "bearing" (although I have not yet had this happen) I put that number in the top of the CDI as I will be "bearing down on " (flying to) the waypoint and the top of the CDI is the "to" side.
When entering the hold, a standard rate turn isn’t required. This is because the start of the outbound leg is measured from abeam the fix or when rolling wings level, whichever first. How fast you turn to get there on the entry makes no difference. The clock always starts at the same point.
Concise and straightforward. Excellent work, Dan!
This is freaking awesome. Didn’t know I needed this video.
Checkride is next Tuesday! Wish me luck!
Did this today on my mock check ride, works great. You also don’t have to worry about the cone of confusion, varying levels of sensitivity, etc when you deal with a vor. I also like setting up a hold in foreflight for my SA.
Great trick. I find it also keeps you from chasing the needle as much because GPS readings on the OBS are less sensitive (At least in my aircraft. Know your aircraft!)
One thing to be careful with is using this on a check ride. My examiner failed the GPS during my hold effectively removing my ability to switch from GPS to VLOC so make sure if you have a NAV2 like he does, that you also tune your VOR on NAV2 so you have one CDI already indicating with a VHF backup.
Really good presentation.
Short and sweet with demo. Outstanding work.
Perfectly explained. Thanks
Fantastic!!!!
why is the VOR 60 degrees FROM and not TO after the hold?
in chapter 6, after 2:40, the TO/FR did not switch in the CDI on the sim panel. Can you comment on this?
Great vid!
Are you Kevin Smith?
Shouldn’t the flag also change in the OBI? It remained FROM
I think it did not because his receiver was set to GPS and the OBS needles and to/from is effectively not being used in OBS. I have the same question.
The OBS knob seems to be used only when receiver is set to OBS to he can manipulate the magenta in the GPS.
Do you turn the OBS to the inbound course during the turn? Can you do it before reaching the fix, knowing the heading you will turn outbound before hand? (I have Garmin G500, so I can set the heading bug on the outbound, and I want to make so much as I can BEFORE getting into the hold)
1) so does the gps treat it like a vor by pressing OBS, or does it switch to the actual VOR receiver?
2) What if you are told to hold on a waypoint bearing, does this also work the same? The obs selector gives you bearings to the waypoint based on OBS?
1. When you press OBS it doesn't switch to the VOR, it still uses the GPS, but acts like a VOR basically, but without the cone of confusion and the CDI sensitivity does not change with distance. It can do the same thing to a GPS waypoint that isn't a VOR, in case you need to hold at an intersection or a DME fix.
2. Yes, when you press OBS, the GPS will show your deviation from whatever bearing you select, much like a VOR.
I know it is not completely correct but i think of it this way: Pressing OBS tells the Nav unit to grab the next waypoint and focus only on it. Doesnt matter what that waypoint is. If the controler says the word "radial", I put that number at the bottom of my CDI display because a radial "radiates" from a point and the bottom of the CDI can be thought of as the "from" side. If he says "bearing" (although I have not yet had this happen) I put that number in the top of the CDI as I will be "bearing down on " (flying to) the waypoint and the top of the CDI is the "to" side.
Question :Why exceed a Standard rate of Turn entering the hold?
Meaning because of the direct entry?
When entering the hold, a standard rate turn isn’t required. This is because the start of the outbound leg is measured from abeam the fix or when rolling wings level, whichever first.
How fast you turn to get there on the entry makes no difference. The clock always starts at the same point.
@@RedSailor1701Wrong buddy. You never exceed std rate turn in ifr. Jets fly half std fyi. Ifr is all about smooth and concise turns.
@@pilotsofyou are wrong, standard rate turns aren’t required anymore, but they are still useful for holds and consistency
@@tothemax9850 What? How about partial panel. How about on a checkride.
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Man I really hope this isn’t on my check ride