Perhaps Ra empowering a monument should only give ~75% of the current empower bonus to other buildings in the range instead of what it gives now. That might bring Ra a little more in line with A tier instead of S tier.
Thing about Poseidon is: He doesnt have any ways to buff his Infantry or Archers. Especially in the early ages. Meanwhile Zeus and Hades can boost their main units while also buffing their back up (Athena Hoplites + Apolo ranged unites). His Cavarly has soooooooooo many counters while having 0 response to them.
Hmm, are you saying Ares upgrades are no good? Is the default that you should be picking Hermes as Posiedon? I think more often than not, Ares is the better Classical Age pick anyway. By Heroic Age, he can buff all 3 unit types.
@@EZog58 On paper you should be able to flex your minor gods depending on game and I do like Ares's upgrades (personally I love the triple upgrade for toxotes playing as Hades) but his god power isnt that good compared to Restoration or Cease Fire. Cyclops are very powerfull but too slow, Minotaurs or Centaurs are more impactful units due to higher mobility wich is a king stat in this game.
@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi Totally fair, I've been playing more Zeus than Posiedon lately and I feel the impact of those early Centaurs and especially Minatours for Classical Age raiding and defense.
I've played Norse for 20 years and love Freyr lol. By definition he is defensive but nearly all his minor gods have offensive capabilities. The fact you have Gullinbursti to fall back on, allows you to go for a massive push (comparative to an all in offensive god who loses, then dies). You have the classical forest fire, flaming weapons and then Hel for a faster (Bragi's upgrade) moving Nidhogg who can wipe out 30 units in seconds through animation cancelling attacks. With early eco upgrades and cheaper techs you can get there faster than most gods. Even if you don't do that, the new game has chickens and berries in your base that gather at the same rate as hunt, as you said in another video, big action doesn't occur until 10 minutes+ most of the time. Honestly he feels slept on, since he's so new I really think we don't know his meta yet, or further changes to the game will tip him over the edge to becoming A tier. I am an old high level player (not streamer/tournament winning level) but 1900-2k by ESO/voobly standards. I have almost exclusively used him 😀
Ease of play is honestly super important in tier lists. Like if you need close to perfect play to make a god viable against others, outside of those specialists, the god will never be the best choice.
And u put isis in s/a tier knowing it should be played closed to perfect otherwise you gonna lose no matter what your army is so weak that if u don't micro or caught off guard it's over @@IamMagicAOM
One thing that doesn't get mentioned as much about Isis Isis is the cheaper upgrades and obelisks (and built faster). Things like mummies and implode being strong are one thing but you do have to get there. You always take upgrades and build obelisks. It helps an already strong economy. Anecdotally my vision is always strongest playing Isis. 1 priest can do the work of 2 and costs less to blanket the map
Magic if you get an Airbnb there should definitely be options with high-speed internet! Although AOM is super sensitive with latency so I'm not sure if anything will be up to its standards.
I was in Panama 2ish years ago and the internet was ok. I didn't play anything competitively while I was there. The internet sometimes would struggle to keep up with streaming services so I don't think it's super stable. Sometimes I had no issues with it at all, and other days it was a bit rough. Don't know if this helps in any way, but there you go.
As an Oranos main, I will say: Chaos has been over-nerfed Imperial Speed should grant all heroes bonus speed, bonus speed for infantry is good but it railroads you into infantry only, which is easily countered Sky Passages has been overnerfed, the increased favour cost is VERY restrictive. Wood cost is whatever
Magic , from what i have seen in tournaments, Greeks vs eggy is a little bit unfair rn , with Eggypts beign basically same raw power than greeks but reaching it faster with non stop powerspikes. They have the same fire power but eggy reach it in short time without major issues
Listening to you talk about Set and Wadjets, I got a question, were Wadjets ever that bad or were they always good but not enough to choose Ptah until his buffs? Same for Kronos and Rhea, I don’t remember Automatons and Spider Lair being buffed. Was it just a new strategy that came late?
egypt is almost always first or second pick in tournaments, i think Ra currently has the highest tournament win rate, check this out: aomstats.io/esports/tournaments/wrath_of_the_gods-20K8
What CiV is best to handle with low elo skills? Gaia seems easy to play but i struggle a lot against North and egypt, especially when they take a second tc early. But also without second tc, i feel like my army always loses with a north army. So with max 1300 Elo, what CIV do you expect the easiest to play ?
you should try Greek! they're pretty straight forward, Hades does really well at low levels since your defensive bonuses really help you vs early game aggro
Still waiting for Zeus buffs 😢 I mean, like you said in some water maps he is good, but on Ranked ladder we dont have water maps basically. Greek in general needs help
I'd give the speed buff to Hypaspist. Dont think would be broken. And I hope defensive buildings get a buff bc civs like Zeus, Hades and Ouranos have very slow army comps even if they have some speed buffs. These civs are supposed to be played low pace and fight in choke points.
I'm not magic but it can be devastating against low hp units. Archer balls or cheap infantry masses like axemen or berserks/TA. Similar to forest fire you can really punish certain positioning. If terrain/buildings are in the way or you get a bit of a surround they have to choose between taking full damage from locusts or giving the other army free hits as they move away.
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A Magic tier list where Egyptians are located at the top??? I've changed my mind about you Magic! You are the top G
hahah Rapl, love you
Perhaps Ra empowering a monument should only give ~75% of the current empower bonus to other buildings in the range instead of what it gives now. That might bring Ra a little more in line with A tier instead of S tier.
Nice one mate!
Thing about Poseidon is: He doesnt have any ways to buff his Infantry or Archers. Especially in the early ages. Meanwhile Zeus and Hades can boost their main units while also buffing their back up (Athena Hoplites + Apolo ranged unites).
His Cavarly has soooooooooo many counters while having 0 response to them.
Agreed 100% I should have mentioned this
Hmm, are you saying Ares upgrades are no good? Is the default that you should be picking Hermes as Posiedon? I think more often than not, Ares is the better Classical Age pick anyway. By Heroic Age, he can buff all 3 unit types.
@@EZog58 On paper you should be able to flex your minor gods depending on game and I do like Ares's upgrades (personally I love the triple upgrade for toxotes playing as Hades) but his god power isnt that good compared to Restoration or Cease Fire. Cyclops are very powerfull but too slow, Minotaurs or Centaurs are more impactful units due to higher mobility wich is a king stat in this game.
@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi Totally fair, I've been playing more Zeus than Posiedon lately and I feel the impact of those early Centaurs and especially Minatours for Classical Age raiding and defense.
I've played Norse for 20 years and love Freyr lol.
By definition he is defensive but nearly all his minor gods have offensive capabilities. The fact you have Gullinbursti to fall back on, allows you to go for a massive push (comparative to an all in offensive god who loses, then dies).
You have the classical forest fire, flaming weapons and then Hel for a faster (Bragi's upgrade) moving Nidhogg who can wipe out 30 units in seconds through animation cancelling attacks. With early eco upgrades and cheaper techs you can get there faster than most gods.
Even if you don't do that, the new game has chickens and berries in your base that gather at the same rate as hunt, as you said in another video, big action doesn't occur until 10 minutes+ most of the time.
Honestly he feels slept on, since he's so new I really think we don't know his meta yet, or further changes to the game will tip him over the edge to becoming A tier.
I am an old high level player (not streamer/tournament winning level) but 1900-2k by ESO/voobly standards. I have almost exclusively used him 😀
I agree, he does feel slept on
Ease of play is honestly super important in tier lists. Like if you need close to perfect play to make a god viable against others, outside of those specialists, the god will never be the best choice.
absolutely!
And u put isis in s/a tier knowing it should be played closed to perfect otherwise you gonna lose no matter what your army is so weak that if u don't micro or caught off guard it's over @@IamMagicAOM
@@prateeksingh9602 Are you 500 elo? Egyption army is op
When did I say eggy is bad I'm saying about isis
@@frank6013 he is at 1500 elo, maybe you are at 500
One thing that doesn't get mentioned as much about Isis Isis is the cheaper upgrades and obelisks (and built faster). Things like mummies and implode being strong are one thing but you do have to get there. You always take upgrades and build obelisks. It helps an already strong economy. Anecdotally my vision is always strongest playing Isis. 1 priest can do the work of 2 and costs less to blanket the map
agreed!
Magic if you get an Airbnb there should definitely be options with high-speed internet! Although AOM is super sensitive with latency so I'm not sure if anything will be up to its standards.
thanks mate! unfortunately already booked it at a hotel
@@IamMagicAOM you're really dedicated to the game if you want to continue playing during vacation!
What laptop do you use to play AOM?
Great video as usual Magic. Have fun on your trip! You deserve it
Thanks mate! Appreciate all the kind words across all my videos btw!
I'd recommend paying for the better wifi that most hotels in Canada offer
Great list. However, I'd definitely put Gaia in S-tier.
Ouh yeah😇 thank you!
I was in Panama 2ish years ago and the internet was ok. I didn't play anything competitively while I was there. The internet sometimes would struggle to keep up with streaming services so I don't think it's super stable. Sometimes I had no issues with it at all, and other days it was a bit rough. Don't know if this helps in any way, but there you go.
As an Oranos main, I will say:
Chaos has been over-nerfed
Imperial Speed should grant all heroes bonus speed, bonus speed for infantry is good but it railroads you into infantry only, which is easily countered
Sky Passages has been overnerfed, the increased favour cost is VERY restrictive. Wood cost is whatever
jokes
Magic , from what i have seen in tournaments, Greeks vs eggy is a little bit unfair rn , with Eggypts beign basically same raw power than greeks but reaching it faster with non stop powerspikes. They have the same fire power but eggy reach it in short time without major issues
I tend to agree !
I think Atlanteans struggle just as much against Norse as Norse do against Egyptian
was about time maaaaaaan :D D ;D :D D:D
Listening to you talk about Set and Wadjets, I got a question, were Wadjets ever that bad or were they always good but not enough to choose Ptah until his buffs?
Same for Kronos and Rhea, I don’t remember Automatons and Spider Lair being buffed. Was it just a new strategy that came late?
I don't think any of these things were buffed, it just took players some time to figure it out!
Why don’t we see the domination of Egyptian gods at tournaments, at the last tournament there was a rout of Egyptian
egypt is almost always first or second pick in tournaments, i think Ra currently has the highest tournament win rate, check this out: aomstats.io/esports/tournaments/wrath_of_the_gods-20K8
What CiV is best to handle with low elo skills? Gaia seems easy to play but i struggle a lot against North and egypt, especially when they take a second tc early. But also without second tc, i feel like my army always loses with a north army.
So with max 1300 Elo, what CIV do you expect the easiest to play ?
you should try Greek! they're pretty straight forward, Hades does really well at low levels since your defensive bonuses really help you vs early game aggro
@IamMagicAOM thank you for the fast reply.
Mythical battle only one mission???
6:45 God-dess* 😊
:D
Still waiting for Zeus buffs 😢
I mean, like you said in some water maps he is good, but on
Ranked ladder we dont have water maps basically. Greek in general needs help
I'd give the speed buff to Hypaspist. Dont think would be broken. And I hope defensive buildings get a buff bc civs like Zeus, Hades and Ouranos have very slow army comps even if they have some speed buffs. These civs are supposed to be played low pace and fight in choke points.
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I can't beat legendary ai
legendary is tough, i'll make a video about it one of these days for you!
What are some good locust uses you’ve seen? It seems to me it’s only worth using on farms.
I'm not magic but it can be devastating against low hp units. Archer balls or cheap infantry masses like axemen or berserks/TA. Similar to forest fire you can really punish certain positioning. If terrain/buildings are in the way or you get a bit of a surround they have to choose between taking full damage from locusts or giving the other army free hits as they move away.
i've seen a player named kimo do 2 sphinx into a group of dwarves and then locust ontop of it, it will kill almost everything