I think it’s a mistake to think of the M50 as an electric M car. It’s more on par with the M performance models, M440i etc. rather than the full fat M3/M4
Agree, not sure why the presenters kept going on about full M cars, I thought BMW had been pretty clear this is an M-Performance model. A very one dimensional review really, not much focus on anything other than handling/steering which is a bit odd. I really like the Taycan but it does need a few options (decent wheels, metallic, bigger battery and basics like BOSE to be viable IMO which soon puts it >£80k whereas the i4 is pretty well equipped as standard so almost £20k cheaper, faster and more practical
I understand that as car journalists, you have to really try and extract and explain every single facet of the driving experience of each car, and how one might be better than the other in some esoteric way, but to most people, most of the time, there will be little to tell these kinds of cars apart in terms of their driving. I test drove the Taycan 4S for about 3 hours, as well as the BMW i4 M50 recently, and at the end of the day, they were really very similar in their driving. I did absolutely love the feeling of the Taycan shifting up to second gear with sustained acceleration, and I wish more car manufacturers would add gears to their electric cars. But the sense of acceleration and speed and handling were very similar on the normal road between both cars. I ended up pulling the trigger on the i4 M50, as it has a better boot, way better infotainment, and fully loaded was about £75K. A reasonably speced out Taycan 4S was £110K. Not worth the price difference for me.
Yeah but to be fair this journalist was comparing the Porsche RWD which starts at £70k with decent options still cost around £90k. Main point not a huge difference in terms of power between the Taycan RWD and 4S.
And you probably got a discount too? Porsche and good on ‘em, won’t discount. BTW, does the BMW come with charging hardware? Did BMW assist with the instal? Did they contribute toward that cost? I’d love to know, please.
I think this is accurate. I still ended up buy in the i4 M50, mainly for the tech differences tbh. The taycan just needed all these extra options for cameras, driving assistance, etc. that put it much further above the price of a loaded m50. The driving feel was better, but not better enough to make the difference for me.
Let's be honest. There isn't a Taycan on the road at this price in the UK. Everything with Porsche, and i literally mean everything, is a four-figure option. While the Porsche is undoutedly brillant, the BMW is a snatch in comparison. The value for money outweighs the tradeoffs.
As someone who drives Mercedes, loves Porsche and isn't quiet keen on what the BMW designers have been doing lately, I think I actually prefer the i4 M50 which is something I didn't expect to say.
that were my two choices. I went for the i4 M50 Frozen Blau. Expected in June. Taycan is a great car indeed, but lot of optional are necessaries,...dramatically increasing the price. If you want the 4 wd, it is much more expensive than the BMW. I could get a -15% on the BMW in December. Can't wait
Exactly, i cannot help but feel that comparing a top of the range electric saloon from BMW with a bottom of the range electric saloon from Porsche is slightly bit irrelevant. Taycan once speced to the same level as the BMW will close to double the money....so how is this comparison helping us? In other news, so did I, ordered my M50 Frozen Protimao last week, though did not get an estimated delivery date, but hoping towards the end of Summer, mid Autumn.
1) Porsche does not compet with BMW, Audi or Merc, those are premium brands and Porsche is semi-luxury and the only brand that is compering to it is Maserati 2)When you compare an i4 with the taycan is like comparing an M4 to an base 8 series in terms on luxury and space
these two cars side by side, i4 is the bargain of the century, faster, more range, more features, for HALF the price.....you'd be a real nuts to by the Tycan4s
The Taycan in the real world has much better range. After 20k miles. The Taycan in the summer really can get close to 300 miles with the bigger battery. The Taycan has perfectly weight steering and it inspires confidence. Down the same roads the Taycan allows you to master the road. The BMW just feels like your about to be killed. The Taycan has incredible residuals and the BMW might this year but given time the Porsche will hold its value. Then there’s the charging. I have many time gone from 10% to 85% in 17 minutes! The BMW takes around 40 minutes on the same charger. You get what you pay for here. The Taycan is the better car. The i4 40 is most likely the better i4. This is based on driving experience of the cars not any assumptions. Best value EV is the M3 LR. Best EV is the Taycan!
@@richardkennett4086 I don’t know where you live but here in Australia taycan base model is close to double the price of the i4 50. It is overpriced beyond belief, yes it’s a batter car but not TWICE as good. I4 is the best premium EV for value. Don’t bring model 3 into this, its not even qualified to be in the same discussion, it’s an experience not a car. The best value EV is the Kia EV6, just fyi
@@Tomoyo0827 home is the UK. The KIA EV6 is a very good option. So is the Polestar 2. But the KIA with its rapid charging is very compelling. The Porsche has had exceptionally low depreciation helped over the last 18 months by exceptional long lead times. So it has very low cost to run. It will be interesting to see how depreciation fares once supply chain recovers. The key changes will be longer ranges from more efficient motors and batteries which can become lighter but with higher density. The other developments will be faster changing speeds.
If $$ is not the issue, get Taycan. And if most of us are normal, i.e. value for money matters, then i4m50 is the sensible car. If I compare like-for-like, i4M50 vs 4S, a similarly spec Taycan will cost 60% more in my country but definitely don't feel anywhere near 60% better in normal day to day driving 95% of the time. Don't get me wrong, Taycan is the better car.
If I could afford it I would happily have the base Taycan with the longer range battery. We’ve been driving an I-Pace for the past month while our Ioniq EV is in for repairs and we’ve found the performance on offer from the Jag to be substantially quicker than we need in day to day driving. The steering is so informative, making it fun to punt down the country lanes where we live. Based on that experience alone, I believe the base Taycan would be more than enough for us. Keep up the good work guys.
@@jareknowak8712 surprisingly yeah. The SOS module had a fault that caused it to drain the 12v battery. Totally unexpected from Hyundai but they’ve looked after us hiring the I-Pace for us to use while they wait for a replacement part, which at present has not ETA due to the current chip shortage.
@@jareknowak8712 also bear in mind it’s just an Ioniq that I bought, not an Ioniq 5. But it was a brand new one so the fault was quite a disappointment.
@@rajjy1976 I was hoping they would give me an Ioniq 5, but expected a Kona electric at best. I was so shocked when the car hire firm said they’d be dropping off an I-Pace 😀. My wife thought it was a joke until it turned up. We don’t want to give it back now.
I’m either too young, or too old, because this review was just really really boring for me. No engagement in the content whatsoever. Presenters seem like nice guys, just not really engaging on the screen.
I own a Taycan Turbo drove it 6000 miles through snow and leaves and I have to disagree with this review on a few key points. Living with a Taycan is way easier than he puts it. Taycan is amazing to drive, nothing comes close, and the screens are just so intuitive I love it after a week. It is great to ferry kids around, she loves it, the panoramic roof is just awesome to have for them. Extremely practical. I never wanted more space as Taycan has both the frunk and trunk. It is like moving from a blackberry to an iPhone, remember it has Apple Music built in, you don't even need to wait for the phone to connect, you can just start the music, go over the list and start playing in a few seconds.
Had a Turbo S for two days and ordered mine that arrives in July/August. Hard not to fall in love with it. To be fair to Tesla tried it but not in the same league. The Tesla children commenting are talking but not walking into the dealer with their benefit cheques.
There is nothing out there as handsome looking as Taycan .. simple. It is pricey but much better looking car than any other EV, Inside or out... if you have the money to buy any model of Taycan, it is a no brainer. The car drives like it is implanted on the road, less noise than i4 M50 and drives like a 911.
The base starts at £73K but add all the decent options will mean it will cost around £95-100k. I myself is considering buying one but don’t want to hit £100k.
Have a 4 e hybrid myself and love it. Had the Taycan 4S fairly basic and decided to keep the Panamera then dealer gave me a Turbo S fully loaded...... my Turbo S arrives in July. Try a loaded Turbo S.
Is pricing on the Taycan different in the UK than in the US? Because on this side of the Atlantic you won’t find a Taycan within $30K of a fully loaded i4
It’s not. You can’t get a taycan anywhere near the price they stated. Even 22kw ac is an option. The car would be unsellable without boxes ticked and as soon as you do you’re closer to 85-90k. Even second hand they are much higher.
The 'slow' taycan is as fast as a Ferrari Testarossa. In practice, due to more constant torque curve it will be even faster. I don't call a Ferrai Testarossa slow.
As a long course BMW driver, the tester saying that i4 interiors materials are always good is an overstatement IMHO. I have to report that it seems the research for cost reduction never ends at BMW although quality and durability have been improving backwards for over 10 years now. Porsche belongs to another league and I think that’s the brand of choice if your willing to keep it for longer than the 2 years , term after which more recent BMW plastics will melt under you fingertips
I think the chap got bhp and NM mixed up in the Taycan section? DIdn't think the base Taycan was 469bhp? Surely this isn't an M model, but an "M performance" model, like the M440i rather than the M4?
Is the conclusion of this test not virtually identical to what it would have been if it were ICE versions? Isn’t Porsche the dynamical benchmark overall for sporty cars?
Porsches are more likely to be kept. They will not end in a scrap yard over 15 years. Driven both but only one made me smile. More expensive yes, slower yes. But really couldn't care less since I'll not performing stoplight sprints or racing some other car on public roads.
It's amazing how every liability of conventional ICE vehicles is rationalized as some sort of benefit. Feeling gears shift, is just crude and literally jerky, it's the opposite of the intended function of a luxury car. Tremendous effort has also gone into muffling and modifying the engine noise. A car without a muffler to silence the engine is so bad that it would cause hearing loss for the driver after awhile. Not to mention the absurdity of the ICE car belching poisonous gas out of its tail pipe. Personality indeed. But then the Brits used to try to convince us that the oil leaks in the MG were all a part of the charm as well. Sure, like the charming smell of vomit and sticky floors at the local telephone booth.
I mean, it's like reviewers preferring horses to cars because they feel the horse galloping down the road and responding to the lash of their whip. lol
You obviously aren't a petrol head to understand that an EV has no soul, no emotion. I have nothing against EVs and I think they will be great for replacing your everyday runaround diesel hatchbacks, EVs will probably bring a bit more refinement to that class of car and even in luxury limos such as the S Class or the Rolls Royce can benefit from being EVs since their aim is supreme comfort and silence. However and here is the big BUT the same is not true of high performance sport cars such as BMW M cars, Porsches, Lambos, Ferraris, AMGs etc. all of which are cars for the petrolhead, the enthusiast the car nut who want the experience of car which handles great has en engaging gearbox and sounds fantastic all of which add to the driving experience, if you are not a petrol head you won't get it and that's fine.
Indeed they are. The i4 falls short on almost everything when compared to a model 3. Weighs 400kg more, even has less range with its bigger battery. And the front trunk.. omg..
Porsche have to work extra hard because if their cars are not overtly sporty there is no real need for them. It's also a car designed to be a sports car from the outset, unlike many of it's rivals. Nothing new here.
Interesting that the Porsche doesn’t have a lot of interior space, as from the outside it looks as barge like as every other EV that can do more than 200 miles.
Yep. Model S owner here. Test drove a Taycan and it felt like a car 2 classes smaller from the inside. It was cramped and I couldn't believe where all the space had vanished. As from the outside it's actually a large car
There are *7* type of *Sporty* variant in *BMW* *Msport* (package) *330i* *Mperfomance* *340i* *M* *M3* *Competition* *M3CP* *Club Sport* *M3CS* *GTS* = Grand Tourismo *M3GTS* *CSL* = Club Sport Lightweight *M3CSL* So don't get confused *i4M50* is like *M550i* *M440i* (m performance variant) *iM4* will be the electric *M3/M4* ... same goes for *IXM50* *IMX* ...
They got the pricing all wrong it's a huge difference between them two i4 m50 is starting at 74k cad and the cheapest Taycan is 119k cad almost a 50k difference, I could buy a brand new crv with the difference.
Can help thinking that, from some angles the Porsche looked a bit dated,maybe Porsche did want to stray to far from the 911 look?, nothing wrong with the Porsche,it’s a great Car,it’s a matter of choice really because both do what it say on the Tin.
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Please fix the audio. Videos aren't compressed/normalized properly. Some sections of speech a many dB under or above the rest. Forcing to adjust the volume constantly.
It’s nice to see a comparison of the i4 in M50 guise against a bog standard Taycan for the laugh but let’s be clear-these are not equal competitors on price point. They are similar in gran coupe design but that’s where it ends. A similarly equipped Taycan would be ALOT more money and to be fair would hammer the i4 then. So by comparing apples with apples I think the i4 held up pretty well against a car that in my market is at 150% more expensive in like for like spec. Good to see the review but pointless in another aspect. It’s not a full M car, people say it is and the BMW blurb says something vaguely about it being one but a full M is a heavyweight. This is an M440 competitor. Lots of people comparing it to a model 3 Tesla, close but not the same I 🧐
So over there the Taycan and the i4 M50 are the same price? Here in the US the BMW starts at 20k cheaper and properly equipped there's a $30k delta. Not to mention the eDrive40 is better balanced and another $7500 cheaper.
Hi Matt I follow u since the days of magazine I used to read ur content I still like ur content I m ur permanent viewer no matter what .I would go with Porsche taycan bcoz of its look it looks awesome although I m hard-core bmw guy greetings from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 cheers
No mention of the leather interior upgrade, when saying it was a basic car!! Great video though, love Taycan, but will wait for Macan electric then decide.
We got a Taycan on our fleet. Stone hit screen, guess how much ?? We also have a etron GT rs, stone hit screen on that, guess how much... Porsche tax 👍
@@wolfgangezeh2221 most Brits I’ve heard (at least on TH-cam) pronounce it correctly. These two though…on top of their bored personas, they pronounce like that!
@@wolfgangezeh2221 I wouldn’t say it’s a British thing - I think it just a lazy journalist. It’s like when sports commentators don’t pronounce sportsman’s names correctly, it’s just absolute laziness or just having a lack of pride in their work.
Shame Tesla don’t advertise - then you would be allowed to compare these with the Model 3 Performance, the real leader in performance EV’s in the UK right now.😊
This would have been a better comparison if you'd used an i4 40 as its far more similar to the Porsche. The BMW would still win hands down. I've got one!
Not hating on Tesla's I'm just happy to see other options. I don't care much for 0-60 drag races and self driving. I'd take either if these over any Tesla.
Mentioning Tesla's, you also could mention charging network, interior space, front trunk, best adaptive cruise control, efficiency, sportier steering/throttle response, more range from a smaller battery, cheaper and longer service intervals within warranty, constantly adding of new features, over the air servicing, mobile servicing at your home, responsive infotainment, games, movie theater.. the list just goes on and on. People sadly believe Tesla's are littered with fault's and recalls, have bad service and all of sudden catch fire. :P
If Porsche replaced the HVAC screen with manual controls, added manual vents instead of having to move them from the infotainment, and added just a bit more acceleration to get it below 5 seconds... this lowest tier trim would sell like hotcakes... gobbling up some of the demand for the i4 50, Polestar 2 with Performance pakcage, and model 3 Performance. Thing is, it really just isn't a practical all season daily driver, so a lot of people will struggle to justify such a high price. A model 3 Performance, which is a cheaper car than both of these, can run the quarter mile time 1.6 seconds faster than the Porsche. It's also AWD, and has more cargo space. Downside is cheap interior, weak suspension, weak brakes, and not the best cargo space. IMO, while maybe not the best sports car of the bunch, the i4 50 is the best value of the bunch as a daily driver. You'll be happy you have it just as soon as you try to put something big and boxy in the vehicle and utilize the hatch. It's better appointed and has better road compliance than the model 3 but isn't as nimble due to its weight. Less road noise as well. The Porsche doesn't have AWD, isn't as fast, and doesn't have anywhere near the utility.. but it does has a great interior, a great look, and most importantly, it drives the best. As a second household car, sure you could go for the Porsche. In a one car house in a region with snow, it's a tough sell. Now if I lived in California, or southern Europe, I'd buy that Porsche in a heartbeat.
1) Porsche does not compet with BMW, Audi or Merc, those are premium brands and Porsche is semi-luxury and the only brand that is compering to it is Maserati 2)When you compare an i4 with the taycan is like comparing an M4 to an base 8 series in terms on luxury and space
I love how no one cares about Taycan panel misalignment issues 10:24. If that was a Tesla it would have been slaughtered. With that being said, i am changing my model 3 for the i4. It is just a much better car in every aspect besides motor efficiency, which is so small difference that really doesn't make me care enough. People that buy Teslas and are forcefully happy with them would never get a BMW or a Porsche. They do not understand the real difference.
It’s not an M car. You guys are meant to be professionals. Did you actually bother to read the brief for the BMW? There will be a full fat i4M coming next.
the problem with all modern bmws except for the csi is the styling , they should at least stop with this ''grill'' it jus tlooks wrong. the proportions dont work. And i dont understand it, up to recently almost all bmws looked dignified at least with few missers here and there but this current design langauge reall sets me off wich is a shame.( literally would not concider the bmw because it really is that bad to me eye)
@@espencapable What a load of codswallop! Tesla might be better with it's charging infrastructure and EV tech but it's a giant iPad on wheels. They've got a long way to go before they know how to make a proper quality premium driver's car. The Porsche and the BMW out do the Tesla as a premium product. Plenty of reviews online have put the i4 ahead of the model 3. Bit of course you brainwashed fanatics won't see that.
I think both of these BEVs show that creating an all out performance EV that isnt just quick but also engaging and truly enjoyable to drive, plus separates itself distinctly from other EVs, is going to be pretty much impossible. The few EV hypercars that do so, are so cost prohibitive that people won't be able to buy them. If you also compare such EV hypercars to ICE hypercars they simply aren't as good either. Thus, where will car enthusiasts go for their automotive excitement? Is this the end for auto enthusiasts? I am starting to think that it may be the end. Especially if ICE cars are completely banned from being used all together. And yes, I have a feeling that will be a possibility. That we won't even be able to use our old cars anymore. That is depressing.
I think it’s a mistake to think of the M50 as an electric M car. It’s more on par with the M performance models, M440i etc. rather than the full fat M3/M4
Despite its weight it sill has more power than a full M
As fast as an M3 by the way...
Totally agree! I think we will see a proper electric M just as MB have presented an AMG version.
Agree, not sure why the presenters kept going on about full M cars, I thought BMW had been pretty clear this is an M-Performance model. A very one dimensional review really, not much focus on anything other than handling/steering which is a bit odd. I really like the Taycan but it does need a few options (decent wheels, metallic, bigger battery and basics like BOSE to be viable IMO which soon puts it >£80k whereas the i4 is pretty well equipped as standard so almost £20k cheaper, faster and more practical
@J B King Canute
I understand that as car journalists, you have to really try and extract and explain every single facet of the driving experience of each car, and how one might be better than the other in some esoteric way, but to most people, most of the time, there will be little to tell these kinds of cars apart in terms of their driving. I test drove the Taycan 4S for about 3 hours, as well as the BMW i4 M50 recently, and at the end of the day, they were really very similar in their driving. I did absolutely love the feeling of the Taycan shifting up to second gear with sustained acceleration, and I wish more car manufacturers would add gears to their electric cars. But the sense of acceleration and speed and handling were very similar on the normal road between both cars. I ended up pulling the trigger on the i4 M50, as it has a better boot, way better infotainment, and fully loaded was about £75K. A reasonably speced out Taycan 4S was £110K. Not worth the price difference for me.
Came to the same conclusion! Needed to be a 4s to be even close. And this is coming from a 911 owner!
Yeah but to be fair this journalist was comparing the Porsche RWD which starts at £70k with decent options still cost around £90k.
Main point not a huge difference in terms of power between the Taycan RWD and 4S.
@@imrankhan-hm2ie wow PM Imran Khan, didn't know you watched car videos on TH-cam...
@@smallik81
Yeah well, got to do something in the spare time . Ha
And you probably got a discount too? Porsche and good on ‘em, won’t discount. BTW, does the BMW come with charging hardware? Did BMW assist with the instal? Did they contribute toward that cost? I’d love to know, please.
I think this is accurate. I still ended up buy in the i4 M50, mainly for the tech differences tbh. The taycan just needed all these extra options for cameras, driving assistance, etc. that put it much further above the price of a loaded m50. The driving feel was better, but not better enough to make the difference for me.
i got one, too. the i4m50 is just a better car.
@@sciroccoR…better than what?
You've made this comparison of 2 interesting cars very dull.
Where's your review?
lol this was exactly what I was thinking.
The bmw i4 m50 would be the obvious choice for me. Price & interior/infotainment mostly. And better performance too.
Let's be honest.
There isn't a Taycan on the road at this price in the UK. Everything with Porsche, and i literally mean everything, is a four-figure option. While the Porsche is undoutedly brillant, the BMW is a snatch in comparison. The value for money outweighs the tradeoffs.
As someone who drives Mercedes, loves Porsche and isn't quiet keen on what the BMW designers have been doing lately, I think I actually prefer the i4 M50 which is something I didn't expect to say.
that were my two choices. I went for the i4 M50 Frozen Blau. Expected in June. Taycan is a great car indeed, but lot of optional are necessaries,...dramatically increasing the price. If you want the 4 wd, it is much more expensive than the BMW. I could get a -15% on the BMW in December. Can't wait
That’s Porsche for you 🤷♂️ great cars though.
Exactly, i cannot help but feel that comparing a top of the range electric saloon from BMW with a bottom of the range electric saloon from Porsche is slightly bit irrelevant. Taycan once speced to the same level as the BMW will close to double the money....so how is this comparison helping us?
In other news, so did I, ordered my M50 Frozen Protimao last week, though did not get an estimated delivery date, but hoping towards the end of Summer, mid Autumn.
1) Porsche does not compet with BMW, Audi or Merc, those are premium brands and Porsche is semi-luxury and the only brand that is compering to it is Maserati
2)When you compare an i4 with the taycan is like comparing an M4 to an base 8 series in terms on luxury and space
Won’t come in June
@@victorc.979 yeah exactly
Would recommend a double espresso for both of this guys…
With a shot of a amphetamine.
And these guys would turn it down, as it wouldn't be special enough for them.
I would recommend you look into the spelling of 'this" guys.
Give them defibrillator paddles or a jump start as well.
these two cars side by side, i4 is the bargain of the century, faster, more range, more features, for HALF the price.....you'd be a real nuts to by the Tycan4s
The Taycan in the real world has much better range. After 20k miles. The Taycan in the summer really can get close to 300 miles with the bigger battery. The Taycan has perfectly weight steering and it inspires confidence. Down the same roads the Taycan allows you to master the road. The BMW just feels like your about to be killed. The Taycan has incredible residuals and the BMW might this year but given time the Porsche will hold its value. Then there’s the charging. I have many time gone from 10% to 85% in 17 minutes! The BMW takes around 40 minutes on the same charger. You get what you pay for here. The Taycan is the better car. The i4 40 is most likely the better i4. This is based on driving experience of the cars not any assumptions. Best value EV is the M3 LR. Best EV is the Taycan!
@@richardkennett4086 I don’t know where you live but here in Australia taycan base model is close to double the price of the i4 50.
It is overpriced beyond belief, yes it’s a batter car but not TWICE as good. I4 is the best premium EV for value. Don’t bring model 3 into this, its not even qualified to be in the same discussion, it’s an experience not a car.
The best value EV is the Kia EV6, just fyi
@@Tomoyo0827 home is the UK. The KIA EV6 is a very good option. So is the Polestar 2. But the KIA with its rapid charging is very compelling.
The Porsche has had exceptionally low depreciation helped over the last 18 months by exceptional long lead times. So it has very low cost to run.
It will be interesting to see how depreciation fares once supply chain recovers. The key changes will be longer ranges from more efficient motors and batteries which can become lighter but with higher density. The other developments will be faster changing speeds.
@@Tomoyo0827 good point about the ev6 that car would be worth getting if it were any good looking
If $$ is not the issue, get Taycan. And if most of us are normal, i.e. value for money matters, then i4m50 is the sensible car. If I compare like-for-like, i4M50 vs 4S, a similarly spec Taycan will cost 60% more in my country but definitely don't feel anywhere near 60% better in normal day to day driving 95% of the time. Don't get me wrong, Taycan is the better car.
If I could afford it I would happily have the base Taycan with the longer range battery. We’ve been driving an I-Pace for the past month while our Ioniq EV is in for repairs and we’ve found the performance on offer from the Jag to be substantially quicker than we need in day to day driving. The steering is so informative, making it fun to punt down the country lanes where we live. Based on that experience alone, I believe the base Taycan would be more than enough for us. Keep up the good work guys.
Ioniq already needs repairs?
@@jareknowak8712 surprisingly yeah. The SOS module had a fault that caused it to drain the 12v battery. Totally unexpected from Hyundai but they’ve looked after us hiring the I-Pace for us to use while they wait for a replacement part, which at present has not ETA due to the current chip shortage.
@@jareknowak8712 also bear in mind it’s just an Ioniq that I bought, not an Ioniq 5. But it was a brand new one so the fault was quite a disappointment.
@@marvinsamuels1237 Man, imagine receiving an Ioniq 5 as a loan car while yours is in. Suppose they haven’t got the availability to do that.
@@rajjy1976 I was hoping they would give me an Ioniq 5, but expected a Kona electric at best. I was so shocked when the car hire firm said they’d be dropping off an I-Pace 😀. My wife thought it was a joke until it turned up. We don’t want to give it back now.
Kind of just said the same thing over and over for 14 minutes: Taycan feels like a Porsche. i4 doesn't feel like a proper M product.
BMW are working the transition to EV very well
I’m either too young, or too old, because this review was just really really boring for me. No engagement in the content whatsoever. Presenters seem like nice guys, just not really engaging on the screen.
Compared the i4 and the Taycan, checked the stats, checked my bank balance, slept on it, woke up and...... bought a Duster Prestige! 😉
You made the right choice👍.
@@stichupman I think so too! Thanks! I've got the LPG model which is a blessing when filling a tank!
@@maxkolbe8893 I actually own a sandero as my daily and to be honest it has been a brilliant little car.
@@stichupman I have friends who are very happy with their Stepway....The new Sandero and the upcoming Jumper look very good.
I own a Taycan Turbo drove it 6000 miles through snow and leaves and I have to disagree with this review on a few key points.
Living with a Taycan is way easier than he puts it. Taycan is amazing to drive, nothing comes close, and the screens are just so intuitive I love it after a week. It is great to ferry kids around, she loves it, the panoramic roof is just awesome to have for them. Extremely practical. I never wanted more space as Taycan has both the frunk and trunk.
It is like moving from a blackberry to an iPhone, remember it has Apple Music built in, you don't even need to wait for the phone to connect, you can just start the music, go over the list and start playing in a few seconds.
The Taycan can't be an iPhone. You're misinformed. The 2 speed gearbox is a hack job. Only thing it has over the Plaid is interior quality.
Had a Turbo S for two days and ordered mine that arrives in July/August. Hard not to fall in love with it. To be fair to Tesla tried it but not in the same league. The Tesla children commenting are talking but not walking into the dealer with their benefit cheques.
@@KyleHubb and to call it spacious is an overstatement
There is nothing out there as handsome looking as Taycan .. simple. It is pricey but much better looking car than any other EV, Inside or out... if you have the money to buy any model of Taycan, it is a no brainer. The car drives like it is implanted on the road, less noise than i4 M50 and drives like a 911.
Very strange comparison. With simular configuration, the Porsche costs 30K more.
It's for M50 buyers to check how close they've got to Porsche 😄
I’m usually agnostic about colours, but I definitely don’t like the ones on that Taycan
The Taycan All Day Long
As a current hybrid Panamera driver I could be interested in a Taycan but all the used ones I could find were over £100,000.
The base starts at £73K but add all the decent options will mean it will cost around £95-100k.
I myself is considering buying one but don’t want to hit £100k.
Have a 4 e hybrid myself and love it. Had the Taycan 4S fairly basic and decided to keep the Panamera then dealer gave me a Turbo S fully loaded...... my Turbo S arrives in July. Try a loaded Turbo S.
Yikes, that huge gap between the Taycan’s rear fender and deck lid alignment at 10:23 is terrible.
That’s the rear spoiler in a slightly raised position
Is pricing on the Taycan different in the UK than in the US? Because on this side of the Atlantic you won’t find a Taycan within $30K of a fully loaded i4
Fact the M50 is comparable to the Taycan at half the price says it all. Certainly worth the minor tradeoffs.
It’s not. You can’t get a taycan anywhere near the price they stated. Even 22kw ac is an option. The car would be unsellable without boxes ticked and as soon as you do you’re closer to 85-90k. Even second hand they are much higher.
@@karlfranks35 May I ask you, please, to explain your comments in more depth?
That Taycan is the best EV in my book
The 'slow' taycan is as fast as a Ferrari Testarossa. In practice, due to more constant torque curve it will be even faster.
I don't call a Ferrai Testarossa slow.
But a Testarossa is slow. Really slow by todays fast car standards.
As a long course BMW driver, the tester saying that i4 interiors materials are always good is an overstatement IMHO. I have to report that it seems the research for cost reduction never ends at BMW although quality and durability have been improving backwards for over 10 years now. Porsche belongs to another league and I think that’s the brand of choice if your willing to keep it for longer than the 2 years , term after which more recent BMW plastics will melt under you fingertips
I think the chap got bhp and NM mixed up in the Taycan section? DIdn't think the base Taycan was 469bhp? Surely this isn't an M model, but an "M performance" model, like the M440i rather than the M4?
469hp on overboost
Really oddly edited. Do they not get on these two? Could they have not made a plan? It’s two tests badly cut together.
It's boring, I'd rather do the ironing
Spec on the Taycan is really weird. Would look a million times better with different colors.
10:24 That panel gap though...
Not a panel gap, but an electrically deployable spoiler
@@alexbenmussa6689 Still a gap... it should be flushed.
Is the conclusion of this test not virtually identical to what it would have been if it were ICE versions? Isn’t Porsche the dynamical benchmark overall for sporty cars?
well said! those are exactly the reasons why im purchasing the rwd taycan, which i will hopefully take delivery of next week
F1 Alex, well chosen, you will love it!
Delivery next week? lol where do you live
@@TheRealMimeMe two months ago was probably possible
@@richardcatchlove9115 no chance.
@@TheRealMimeMe the dealership I work for has a Taycan for sale - now
Porsches are more likely to be kept. They will not end in a scrap yard over 15 years. Driven both but only one made me smile. More expensive yes, slower yes. But really couldn't care less since I'll not performing stoplight sprints or racing some other car on public roads.
Looks a nice warm day
It's amazing how every liability of conventional ICE vehicles is rationalized as some sort of benefit. Feeling gears shift, is just crude and literally jerky, it's the opposite of the intended function of a luxury car. Tremendous effort has also gone into muffling and modifying the engine noise. A car without a muffler to silence the engine is so bad that it would cause hearing loss for the driver after awhile. Not to mention the absurdity of the ICE car belching poisonous gas out of its tail pipe. Personality indeed. But then the Brits used to try to convince us that the oil leaks in the MG were all a part of the charm as well. Sure, like the charming smell of vomit and sticky floors at the local telephone booth.
I mean, it's like reviewers preferring horses to cars because they feel the horse galloping down the road and responding to the lash of their whip. lol
Agreed. Weird how humans are sometimes.
You obviously aren't a petrol head to understand that an EV has no soul, no emotion. I have nothing against EVs and I think they will be great for replacing your everyday runaround diesel hatchbacks, EVs will probably bring a bit more refinement to that class of car and even in luxury limos such as the S Class or the Rolls Royce can benefit from being EVs since their aim is supreme comfort and silence. However and here is the big BUT the same is not true of high performance sport cars such as BMW M cars, Porsches, Lambos, Ferraris, AMGs etc. all of which are cars for the petrolhead, the enthusiast the car nut who want the experience of car which handles great has en engaging gearbox and sounds fantastic all of which add to the driving experience, if you are not a petrol head you won't get it and that's fine.
I suppose it would be against policy to suggest that all your recommendations are silently followed by “Excluding Tesla”?
Indeed they are. The i4 falls short on almost everything when compared to a model 3. Weighs 400kg more, even has less range with its bigger battery. And the front trunk.. omg..
Porsche have to work extra hard because if their cars are not overtly sporty there is no real need for them. It's also a car designed to be a sports car from the outset, unlike many of it's rivals. Nothing new here.
Taycan, 11 times out of 10.
Where in the ARSE did you all find a salmon pink Taycan ?
Interesting that the Porsche doesn’t have a lot of interior space, as from the outside it looks as barge like as every other EV that can do more than 200 miles.
Morgen place for battery
Yep. Model S owner here. Test drove a Taycan and it felt like a car 2 classes smaller from the inside. It was cramped and I couldn't believe where all the space had vanished. As from the outside it's actually a large car
There are *7* type of *Sporty* variant in *BMW*
*Msport* (package) *330i*
*Mperfomance* *340i*
*M* *M3*
*Competition* *M3CP*
*Club Sport* *M3CS*
*GTS* = Grand Tourismo *M3GTS*
*CSL* = Club Sport Lightweight *M3CSL*
So don't get confused
*i4M50* is like *M550i* *M440i*
(m performance variant) *iM4* will be the electric *M3/M4* ... same goes for *IXM50* *IMX* ...
They got the pricing all wrong it's a huge difference between them two i4 m50 is starting at 74k cad and the cheapest Taycan is 119k cad almost a 50k difference, I could buy a brand new crv with the difference.
Can help thinking that, from some angles the Porsche looked a bit dated,maybe Porsche did want to stray to far from the 911 look?, nothing wrong with the Porsche,it’s a great Car,it’s a matter of choice really because both do what it say on the Tin.
We all know Porsche is way more expensive than a BMW but Porsche owners know the car will hold its value way more than a BMW...
The crash pads for the high-voltage battery may not have been assembled. This can cause damage to the high-voltage battery in the event of a serious side crash and may cause a short-circuit increasing the risk of a fire.
The BMW i4 vehicles affected by this recall were manufactured between 15 September and 30 November 2021.
BMW recall code: 61430600
Affected models: i4.
Please fix the audio.
Videos aren't compressed/normalized properly.
Some sections of speech a many dB under or above the rest. Forcing to adjust the volume constantly.
if this presentation was a colour, it would be beige. Wake me up when you have some more colour.
It’s nice to see a comparison of the i4 in M50 guise against a bog standard Taycan for the laugh but let’s be clear-these are not equal competitors on price point. They are similar in gran coupe design but that’s where it ends. A similarly equipped Taycan would be ALOT more money and to be fair would hammer the i4 then. So by comparing apples with apples I think the i4 held up pretty well against a car that in my market is at 150% more expensive in like for like spec. Good to see the review but pointless in another aspect. It’s not a full M car, people say it is and the BMW blurb says something vaguely about it being one but a full M is a heavyweight. This is an M440 competitor. Lots of people comparing it to a model 3 Tesla, close but not the same I 🧐
They don't know the difference between msport package Mperfomance variant and M Car
I'm reluctant to say this about an Autocar review, but I was incredibly bored by it... sorry guys!
95% of the time I am the only person onboard and therefore the room behind the front passengers is of minor interest to me.
Agreed! Distinct lack of 250 mile plus range options that weigh under 2 tones and have 2-3 doors.
I guess we’re not talking about the 50% price hike to get into a Taycan…
So over there the Taycan and the i4 M50 are the same price? Here in the US the BMW starts at 20k cheaper and properly equipped there's a $30k delta. Not to mention the eDrive40 is better balanced and another $7500 cheaper.
Do they make any profit on these cars ?
Hi Matt I follow u since the days of magazine I used to read ur content I still like ur content I m ur permanent viewer no matter what .I would go with Porsche taycan bcoz of its look it looks awesome although I m hard-core bmw guy greetings from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 cheers
No mention of the leather interior upgrade, when saying it was a basic car!! Great video though, love Taycan, but will wait for Macan electric then decide.
Porsche has a very specific style and they don't like to deviate from it no matter how many decades on it's been.
We got a Taycan on our fleet. Stone hit screen, guess how much ?? We also have a etron GT rs, stone hit screen on that, guess how much... Porsche tax 👍
A used 2020 Taycan 4s goes for $144k Cdn, Brand new BMW I4 M50 starts at 75K Cdn. I know which car I'm buying.
Given Porsche say it’s said Tie-can, why can’t you do the research and pronounce it correctly. It’s kind of your job as a car journalist.
The British tend to do that!
@@wolfgangezeh2221 most Brits I’ve heard (at least on TH-cam) pronounce it correctly. These two though…on top of their bored personas, they pronounce like that!
@@wolfgangezeh2221 I wouldn’t say it’s a British thing - I think it just a lazy journalist. It’s like when sports commentators don’t pronounce sportsman’s names correctly, it’s just absolute laziness or just having a lack of pride in their work.
Shame Tesla don’t advertise - then you would be allowed to compare these with the Model 3 Performance, the real leader in performance EV’s in the UK right now.😊
Was that Jergen Klopp at the start of the video?
This would have been a better comparison if you'd used an i4 40 as its far more similar to the Porsche. The BMW would still win hands down. I've got one!
9:20 "paddles which would change the amount of retardation you would get"??
NO THANK YOU, I choose my own level of retardation, and I choose A LOT!
Not hating on Tesla's I'm just happy to see other options. I don't care much for 0-60 drag races and self driving. I'd take either if these over any Tesla.
Mentioning Tesla's, you also could mention charging network, interior space, front trunk, best adaptive cruise control, efficiency, sportier steering/throttle response, more range from a smaller battery, cheaper and longer service intervals within warranty, constantly adding of new features, over the air servicing, mobile servicing at your home, responsive infotainment, games, movie theater.. the list just goes on and on. People sadly believe Tesla's are littered with fault's and recalls, have bad service and all of sudden catch fire. :P
@@espencapable everything except (1) the charging network is offered by other brands.
I enjoyed watching the Video Comparison. My favourite Is the BMW i4 Gran Coupe
Was this really a comparison... I feel more like this was a review of each car that was then edited together and hey presto. A comparison.
Not to mention they chose the sh*tiest verson of Taycan the none turbo S too.
If Porsche replaced the HVAC screen with manual controls, added manual vents instead of having to move them from the infotainment, and added just a bit more acceleration to get it below 5 seconds... this lowest tier trim would sell like hotcakes... gobbling up some of the demand for the i4 50, Polestar 2 with Performance pakcage, and model 3 Performance. Thing is, it really just isn't a practical all season daily driver, so a lot of people will struggle to justify such a high price. A model 3 Performance, which is a cheaper car than both of these, can run the quarter mile time 1.6 seconds faster than the Porsche. It's also AWD, and has more cargo space. Downside is cheap interior, weak suspension, weak brakes, and not the best cargo space. IMO, while maybe not the best sports car of the bunch, the i4 50 is the best value of the bunch as a daily driver. You'll be happy you have it just as soon as you try to put something big and boxy in the vehicle and utilize the hatch. It's better appointed and has better road compliance than the model 3 but isn't as nimble due to its weight. Less road noise as well. The Porsche doesn't have AWD, isn't as fast, and doesn't have anywhere near the utility.. but it does has a great interior, a great look, and most importantly, it drives the best. As a second household car, sure you could go for the Porsche. In a one car house in a region with snow, it's a tough sell.
Now if I lived in California, or southern Europe, I'd buy that Porsche in a heartbeat.
1) Porsche does not compet with BMW, Audi or Merc, those are premium brands and Porsche is semi-luxury and the only brand that is compering to it is Maserati
2)When you compare an i4 with the taycan is like comparing an M4 to an base 8 series in terms on luxury and space
So it seems attainable sporty EVs are still well out of reach if the only option is a Taycan 😩
The technology will eventually filter down to more affordable sports cars. Probably much sooner than later.
10:22 holy panel gap
Also 0:09
That is the up and down spoiler
@@Jollish The car is stationary. The spoiler should be sitting flush whilst it is not in use yes??
I love how no one cares about Taycan panel misalignment issues 10:24. If that was a Tesla it would have been slaughtered.
With that being said, i am changing my model 3 for the i4.
It is just a much better car in every aspect besides motor efficiency, which is so small difference that really doesn't make me care enough.
People that buy Teslas and are forcefully happy with them would never get a BMW or a Porsche. They do not understand the real difference.
Because it’s not a misalignment issue. That’s the rear spoiler in a slightly raised position.
It’s not an M car. You guys are meant to be professionals. Did you actually bother to read the brief for the BMW? There will be a full fat i4M coming next.
Wish my employer would hurry up and get the salary sacrifice sorted. I’d love the Taycan but think it’s just a few £££ pm too much over the i4M50
Hmmm. Give the Taycan the same spec as the M50 and it will be £110,000! Not really comparable.
the problem with all modern bmws except for the csi is the styling , they should at least stop with this ''grill'' it jus tlooks wrong. the proportions dont work. And i dont understand it, up to recently almost all bmws looked dignified at least with few missers here and there but this current design langauge reall sets me off wich is a shame.( literally would not concider the bmw because it really is that bad to me eye)
Like comparing a GT4 RS against an M2. It’s clear which is better as a sports car 🙈
You can’t get a Taycan for anything less than £73k so not really a fair comparison this…
13:10 Audi etron rs say what?
Tesla Model S Plaid: ‘Hold my beer.’
Not even worth it. Even the Model 3 is far superior to both of these if you look at the total packet.
@@espencapable What a load of codswallop! Tesla might be better with it's charging infrastructure and EV tech but it's a giant iPad on wheels. They've got a long way to go before they know how to make a proper quality premium driver's car. The Porsche and the BMW out do the Tesla as a premium product. Plenty of reviews online have put the i4 ahead of the model 3. Bit of course you brainwashed fanatics won't see that.
'"The Porsche is just more special."
I think both of these BEVs show that creating an all out performance EV that isnt just quick but also engaging and truly enjoyable to drive, plus separates itself distinctly from other EVs, is going to be pretty much impossible. The few EV hypercars that do so, are so cost prohibitive that people won't be able to buy them. If you also compare such EV hypercars to ICE hypercars they simply aren't as good either. Thus, where will car enthusiasts go for their automotive excitement? Is this the end for auto enthusiasts? I am starting to think that it may be the end. Especially if ICE cars are completely banned from being used all together. And yes, I have a feeling that will be a possibility. That we won't even be able to use our old cars anymore. That is depressing.
It might be the end of automotive TH-cam. These videos are boring. It's like watching R/C cars with different bodies.
Once battery mass comes down (which it will) we'll be back to where we are now, in terms of handling etc, with ICE cars.
In the event that selling new ICE cars are banned, I doubt that driving of existing ICE cars will be banned.
The i4M50 is a better bargain. Buck for buck.
Nice video
Amasing test!!! Driving 50 on countryside roads! I see a purpose! Good job! A perfect test for a car which can make 62 in 3.6s!!! Waste of my time!
It's a M EV, not to be compared to a M ICE. Compare the Taycan to a 911. Same problem.
Bmw i4 m50❤👍😎😃
That Porsche is bringing on my porphyrophobia.
God these two are boring turned off after 5 minutes yawn
everyone knows that bmw/merc/audi are for those who want a porsche but can’t afford them😂
I loved you in The Office
More like a college lecture than modern day super car review.
Come on Autocar sort pronunciation out it’s not Tay-can it’s Ti-can. . . . .
Goodness me! 2 amazing cars and you are this boring?
Two dull presenters making 2 expensive performance car's seem dull.
Get a Turbo S in a descent colour not a tax incentive in a god damn awful colour and stay away from the reps car.
Is that car purple on purple? WTH? Waiting for the Joker to pop out of the back seat and grab you.
Not on test there are 3 better cars by 3 different manufacturer at least.
BMW 😍🔥🤤
no mention of a tesla?