The Balrog should not be affected by focus like the Nazgûl and Sauron as he is a Maia, so he exists in both worlds, the unseen and the physical. A Maia also can’t be resurrected from the dead via necromancy as it’s Ainu is sent to the Halls of Mandos or to the Void. Talion and Celebrimbor could harm it, but it would take immense effort to slay him. Tar Goroth should be speaking Melkian as opposed to Black Speech, as it was the language Morgoth and his servants used. Aside from theses nitpicks, I absolutely adore the design of Tar Goroth and wish we got more of him, it would’ve been interesting if he was an ally to us, helping us similar to Carnan, as he could see Sauron as a pretender similar to Ogg, an Orc we meet in the DLC who was one of the first Orcs corrupted from Elves by Morgoth.
I think it would've been a bit too far for Talion to accept help from a balrog considering what they are. Talion dominates orcs (with the exception of Ogg, although he's nowhere near as powerful or as dangerous as a balrog so it's forgivable) because they're a means to an end, and thusly controllable. Comparable to tools. Not even Sauron can properly dominate a balrog, so it'd be a bit too much of a wildcard. An exceptionally dangerous one at that, that Talion (and Celebrimbor) couldn't really take down without outside assistance (like from Carnan, but Carnan probably wouldn't help them if they accepted a balrogs help in the first place...)
@@MasterOfTheElements Sauron invented Black Speech in Mordor during the Second Age around the forging of the One Ring. The languages Morgoth spoke were Valarin and Melkian. Morgoth invented Melkian for himself and his servants to speak, as he did not want to speak the language of the Valar and decided to create his own as a mockery of it, Black Speech was likely to have influences from Melkian. Morgoth, the Balrogs, Sauron, Thuringwethil, Trolls, Werewolves and Orcs all spoke Melkian as a primary language during the First Age, with them only using different languages when conversing with Elves and Men, the Balrog’s would’ve likely only spoke Melkian as they were loyal to Melkor, (Morgoth) from the beginning of creation. I can see why the devs had Tar Goroth speak Black Speech as Tolkien did not record any Melkian in his writings, he only named Melkian as the language Morgoth and his servants spoke, without any writing of the language, they opted for Black Speech instead, as it sounded demonic and intimidating the same way Melkian would’ve.
So at least 2 Balrogs escaped the war of wrath, since there were only 7 Balrogs and Gothmog was killed by Ecthelion during the fall of Gondolin and another one was killed by Glorfindel also during the fall of Gondolin so that leaves 5 Balrogs of which at least 2 were killed by Manwe as it is mentioned in the following paragraph: "It came to pass that at last the gates of Utumno were broken and its halls unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Thence, seeing that all was lost (for that time), he sent forth on a sudden a host of Balrogs, the last of his servants that remained, and they assailed the standard of Manwë, as it were a tide of flame. But they were withered in the wind of his wrath and slain with the lightning of his sword; and Melkor stood at last alone. -Morgoth's Ring, "Annals of Aman"[1]
Balrogs only obey Morgoth and Tar Goroth clearly didn't like be woken up They are enjoyable games, but I feel the Balrog should have been more powerful and much harder to defeat
I always wondered what happened when spring rolled around and the ice started to melt... Or does Carnan just keep Seregost trapped in an eternal winter somehow? The lore says it's bitterly cold and snowbound there no matter the season, but still... I'm just saying, it seems like a pretty unreliable containment method. I mean, all it would take is a couple of tussling drakes getting a little too rowdy...
I imagine that being stuck there for so long would permanently kill Tar Goroth by the time it defrosts assuming it even does defrost at all. Or that even if not permanently killed. the uruks would have to raise them from the bottom of the lake to re-empower them in the same manner Zog tried to.
They can't change like that whenever they want It takes exceptional skill and effort for a mayar to proclaim a physical form, even more to change it There is no known case of barlogs changing to anything else after aquiring their monstrous state Only some of the ainur were able to shift shapes repitedly Like morgoth or sauron, sauron especially liked to shapeshit changing from man/elf to warewolf, vampire, snake ect. His best known forn however remains his darklord state
This game look better on ps4 pro than pc to me.. the hdr is just sexy and it seems to just have more detail in a way the pc doesn’t. I know the pc could technically have more textures and framerates but it just looks more colorful and satisfying and engaging on the ps4 pro, which I played on an lg 55 inch 4K hdr tv
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"No one can tame a Balrog"
Morgoth: "You say somethin?".
Well he did make the Balrogs so I dunno if that counts
@@glydoughnut9432 well then what about Gothmog? Additionally if they are loyal to him doesn't that count
He meant no mortal.
Sauron?
@@mydude8731Sauron never really tamed a balrog, he might have imprisoned some if possible but Balrogs always seemed absent in Saurons army
Imagine if it was awoken during the Battle of the Black gates in RotK.
Gandalf the White: Again with this!?
This foe is beyond any of you
Run!
that was actually pretty satisfying to watch. I really want to play these games.
I beat him already, the game is called Shadow of war
3:56 Holy Fuck! That was so scary...
Balrog: wtf!!?
Celebrimbor: im sorry im sorry!!
@@lordraiden687 yeah it was something like that Lord Raiden. I think you must consult this with the Elder Gods!
The Balrog should not be affected by focus like the Nazgûl and Sauron as he is a Maia, so he exists in both worlds, the unseen and the physical. A Maia also can’t be resurrected from the dead via necromancy as it’s Ainu is sent to the Halls of Mandos or to the Void. Talion and Celebrimbor could harm it, but it would take immense effort to slay him. Tar Goroth should be speaking Melkian as opposed to Black Speech, as it was the language Morgoth and his servants used. Aside from theses nitpicks, I absolutely adore the design of Tar Goroth and wish we got more of him, it would’ve been interesting if he was an ally to us, helping us similar to Carnan, as he could see Sauron as a pretender similar to Ogg, an Orc we meet in the DLC who was one of the first Orcs corrupted from Elves by Morgoth.
I think it would've been a bit too far for Talion to accept help from a balrog considering what they are.
Talion dominates orcs (with the exception of Ogg, although he's nowhere near as powerful or as dangerous as a balrog so it's forgivable) because they're a means to an end, and thusly controllable. Comparable to tools. Not even Sauron can properly dominate a balrog, so it'd be a bit too much of a wildcard. An exceptionally dangerous one at that, that Talion (and Celebrimbor) couldn't really take down without outside assistance (like from Carnan, but Carnan probably wouldn't help them if they accepted a balrogs help in the first place...)
He could speak black speech since he served Morgoth
@@MasterOfTheElements Sauron invented Black Speech in Mordor during the Second Age around the forging of the One Ring. The languages Morgoth spoke were Valarin and Melkian. Morgoth invented Melkian for himself and his servants to speak, as he did not want to speak the language of the Valar and decided to create his own as a mockery of it, Black Speech was likely to have influences from Melkian. Morgoth, the Balrogs, Sauron, Thuringwethil, Trolls, Werewolves and Orcs all spoke Melkian as a primary language during the First Age, with them only using different languages when conversing with Elves and Men, the Balrog’s would’ve likely only spoke Melkian as they were loyal to Melkor, (Morgoth) from the beginning of creation. I can see why the devs had Tar Goroth speak Black Speech as Tolkien did not record any Melkian in his writings, he only named Melkian as the language Morgoth and his servants spoke, without any writing of the language, they opted for Black Speech instead, as it sounded demonic and intimidating the same way Melkian would’ve.
@@williamafton348 Oh, I did not know that, I always assumed Melkor invented the black speech for the orcs.
So at least 2 Balrogs escaped the war of wrath, since there were only 7 Balrogs and Gothmog was killed by Ecthelion during the fall of Gondolin and another one was killed by Glorfindel also during the fall of Gondolin so that leaves 5 Balrogs of which at least 2 were killed by Manwe as it is mentioned in the following paragraph:
"It came to pass that at last the gates of Utumno were broken and its halls unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Thence, seeing that all was lost (for that time), he sent forth on a sudden a host of Balrogs, the last of his servants that remained, and they assailed the standard of Manwë, as it were a tide of flame. But they were withered in the wind of his wrath and slain with the lightning of his sword; and Melkor stood at last alone.
-Morgoth's Ring, "Annals of Aman"[1]
Balrogs only obey Morgoth and Tar Goroth clearly didn't like be woken up
They are enjoyable games, but I feel the Balrog should have been more powerful and much harder to defeat
Yeah, i mean it took eight days to gandalf to defeat the balrog of moria, and Gandalf is a f***ing maiar
Whoa whoa.
@@lordraiden687 and Tar seems way stronger than Durin's Bane
And way less nimble
Question: I thought Balrog’s don’t actually have wings? So why can this Balrog fly?
Tar Goroth was an epic and fun bossbattle in Shadow of War 🙂😯.
I always wondered what happened when spring rolled around and the ice started to melt... Or does Carnan just keep Seregost trapped in an eternal winter somehow? The lore says it's bitterly cold and snowbound there no matter the season, but still... I'm just saying, it seems like a pretty unreliable containment method. I mean, all it would take is a couple of tussling drakes getting a little too rowdy...
Who is Seregost?
@@TheFilthyFinch it’s a place not a person
I imagine that being stuck there for so long would permanently kill Tar Goroth by the time it defrosts assuming it even does defrost at all.
Or that even if not permanently killed. the uruks would have to raise them from the bottom of the lake to re-empower them in the same manner Zog tried to.
So why didn't Tor Goroth turn into a 'creature of slime' when submerged in the water?
They can't change like that whenever they want
It takes exceptional skill and effort for a mayar to proclaim a physical form, even more to change it
There is no known case of barlogs changing to anything else after aquiring their monstrous state
Only some of the ainur were able to shift shapes repitedly
Like morgoth or sauron, sauron especially liked to shapeshit changing from man/elf to warewolf, vampire, snake ect.
His best known forn however remains his darklord state
TearofGrace brought me here 😆.
Dude it's carnan not dragon drake
I thought Balrogs didn’t actually have wings?
We don't actually know, Tolkien mentioned wings but it is unknown if they are physical wings or just a metaphor
I know this is a very late reply but I'm pretty sure they were sticking with Peter Jackson's designs
This game look better on ps4 pro than pc to me.. the hdr is just sexy and it seems to just have more detail in a way the pc doesn’t. I know the pc could technically have more textures and framerates but it just looks more colorful and satisfying and engaging on the ps4 pro, which I played on an lg 55 inch 4K hdr tv
I play in 4k on pc and it's far beyond the quality of the consoles
Yes yes.
Me too so much to.
Has anyone managed to translate what tor goroth said in this quest yet?
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God this game looks awful
LMFAO HAHA
Jerk. The game is amazing. You just suck at it.
God this person looks awful
You trippin'. This game was (and still is) pretty fun.
Who the fuck says ball rog !?