That is true but also not. While yes, objectively and on paper some jobs are better than others, you will still clear much easier on a job you are very comfortable with, even if that job is C tier, than with an A tier job you don’t know how to optimize, and have a hard time doing so.
SMN felt so strong I felt like the enemies were locked in the dungeon with me instead of the other way around, even if you're scared of a mob, wait for bahamut and delete it
would be nice if you added the previous EO predicament video unlisted in the description, would be fun to see the predict and the truth and compare them
I legit fell asleep doing it as warrior, couldn't make it to floor 40 because I was getting so bored and stopped paying attention, leading to dying to stupid stuff Swapped to machinist and straight up cleared on my first save file with it. Amazing+ seems about right
Appreciate the tier list. I really hate how they put a TT card in this content. It's basically dead now so I have to resort to soloing and I not only have little to no aetherpool, but I keep getting screwed by rng in early floors.
I've just gotten into Orthos and man, it has.... not started well. Got caught by surprise twice by bombs on the low levels and insta-wiped. One wipe on the first boss because I was playing with a friend who isn't very good and was paying too much attention to babysitting him. And then last night, another wipe on floor 27 when a Vanara snuck up on me while I was fighting a Demolisher.... then scythe-tailed me with a knockback that sent me straight into a landmine.
I've cleared on both new jobs and they are broken compared to the old jobs. VPR was about as easy to clear as it was for me on SAM or MCH but they have 2 mitigation abilities, where VPR only has 1 (feint). PCT was a bit easier than RDM or SMN for me. Both new jobs didn't seem to get gimped by bad floor debuffs at all. VPR could smoke a gloom + mob damage up + no abilities floor 91+ fairly easily as long as you used regen pots. I wish it had another mitigation ability but it was really only the fast auto-attackers that hurt. PCT was killing Mimic's before they used Pox if I had all of my burst ready when they popped.
Thanks! And just wondered how you dealt with mimics or enemies that were interruptable. I noticed you tier-ed SAM / RDM at the top with MCH but wondered what your thoughts are about them not being able to interrupt? (Unless it's not really that valuable)
Although pox is annoying, it was never more than that for me so I didn't even consider it during my tier list. At worse you'll get a no item combo while you have pox but there are three ways to handle it (Unei / Knight / Serenity)
I'm still in the farming phase before tryinging solo. War felt bad, so slow. MCH is naturally a blast, and smn somehow felt better than RDM even as a RDM main.
I'm trying on RDM now after dying on WAR to a random mistake I made on floor 6x. Its tough getting used to having to potion but the damage is so much better I don't feel like I'm standing around just waiting for things to die
Until you are fully unsynced (floors 41+) and topped off at +99, yes everything feels really slow. Especially since in HOH the first 50 floors were nerfed with both HP pool and damage dealing making them VERY fast compared to this. The first 40 floors are absolute torture.
I haven't found an answer to this anywhere, but been curious: how important is multi pulling for a solo clear? Or is it doable with 1 mob at a time? Thanks for the content!
Got a summoner clear recently had to turn my spell effects down tho, got killed a couple times from being blinded by bahamut and titan as something started a 0.5sec cast.
I feel like warrior should be a little higher up cause of holmgang's low cd. You can pull several mobs with safe mechs, invuln, step on a mine and finish them off. Can even do it with a whole room of enemies if you throw down a witching or lethargy too
I disagree. I never felt war had an advantage with using the bomb trap this way since the invuln isnt required at all for it to work. I do this every chance i get on PLD The only way war would have an advantage is if you found a bomb trap exactly every four minutes and you must to invuln it.
@@never5930 You would need to invuln if you were getting hit by aoes while waiting for enemies to gather around the mine, and there can be multiple mines per floor so having a short invuln cd could help you make use of them
@@ThePiggyGuy nah, you just need to be topped off before you get hit by the explosion. For example, drk, use tbn to keep some health prior to explosion then then just use abyssal drain after the explosion. For PLD just holy sheltron, and clem right before the explosion to make sure youre topped off and HS will give you some sustain on top of that. Thats where you can even use your burst for more healing or you can just clem. For gnb, just pop HoC and aurora prior to explosion, and kite a bit until youre at max and then once you explode you have enough health to not die from it afterward due to the excog and regen. Basically, as long as you have something to heal you after the explosion you wont die. All tanks do in deep dungeon. Thats why warrior doesnt have any real advantage using the bomb trap strat. Unless you know for sure that you have access to a bomb exactly every 4 minutes and you dont know how to resolve it outside of invuln, then WAR's holmgang doesnt have any real advantages here. I use this strat without invuln all the time, and i pull over half the floor in most cases. So for me, holmgang isnt really neccessary for this strat, and all tanks can reliably do it if your know what youre doing. And in addition to that, popping a hi potion and regen potion makes it even more brain dead and safe to pull off
although I really felt the strength of hg's short cd + the insane heal of bloodwhetting doing massive AoE pulls on WAR for score, I have to say that for just clearing it didn't feel that helpful. I only really did landmines on 71-72-73 and I was able to do them on every single job with a witching without too much issue
Out of the dps jobs I've played so far, through the entirety of EO, is RPR, MCH and DRG. I have to say, RPR feels far stronger and better compared to MCH. So I personally would put RPR as Amazing+ and MCH below it and DRG as Strong+ While MCH can interrupt mimics, it doesn't sell it for me, because the only real damage it has is coming from is Chain Saw, Drill and Air Anchor and holy shit it really really needs to rely heavily on steel in the later sets, which is why it's Amazing-. DRG I have to move down to Strong+ and not Amazing-, While it definitely feels bit stronger than, MCH, it's way to busy for what damage it does, which is why I have to knock it down to Strong+, RPR I put up to Amazing+ because I had zero problems with it, heck it melted enemies down very quickly I'm not sure why it feels stronger than DRG, but it does and it's rotation is less bloaty and simple. I've yet to try the other dps jobs, I'm pretty sure they're probably perfect where they are on the list.
I played on tanks first and DPS second, I truly believe tanks are below DPS. Especially on lower floors where you grind to 90, omg, so boring and they are pretty tight on time as well. The best thing on tank is you have invul as your panic button and you don't really need pots/steel. If you have a lot of pots, the higher your aDPS the better, that's why you see SAM and MCH up there. No stress in catching up to time, higher damage means less mechanics to do, less mistake.
It is very weird. We had a podcast before EO came out and every single one of us agreed tanks would be overpowered. We did not predict that they would make damage meaningless and instead turn it into binary oneshot mechanics
Eureka Orthos is my first Deep Dungeon i am trying solo and so far my best attempt was getting the Floor 80 Boss to 0,1% HP.. I feel really discouraged to continue and don't know, if i am able to do it..
Eureka Orthos doesn't have a big difficulty spike for the later sets unlike PotD and HoH. If you can clear up to 80 (I would even say if you can clear up to 70), you can absolutely clear up to 100 as long as you look up what each monster does. Don't get discouraged!
Meanwhile you can't even sustain through the floor 10 boss on most dps... I don't get Orthos. Like, as Machinist, I need Orthos Potions or I literally don't have the healing to survive the boss's auto attacks. Yet... I can't get through Orthos to GET Orthos Potions... without Orthos Potions...
If you mean a checkpoint as in you can restart from a higher floor, no, there is only one of those for each Deep Dungeon (F50 PotD - F30 HoH / EO) Keep in mind you cannot start from this check point if you want the achievement. The achievement requires starting from 1
I dont think it makes sense to put warrior and white mage for example in the same tier. If damage is constantly hitting you, there is no difference between whm and warrior. Both a invincible on mobs. And you are basically gaining 10-20% damage and the downside is: You are melee, you have worse storms, you dont have a rotation. Idk why i would be happier on warrior compared to whm. Yeah depending on mechanics on bosses you will survive more, but who cares imo. Its mechanics you have to do anyway and being ranged also helps with that.
so much benefit on tanks, you can stun, you can interject, you can invul, you don't need steel. So much easier to pull big and storms/landmine compared to other jobs. You are not casting.
@@siinuxxblume5123 yeah but healers die faster when you pull big as well. You definitely need steel to survive boss mechanics on jobs other than tanks. Getting uptime during mechanic is more difficult for caster healer on top of their low dps. On the other hand, I don't know the reason why you would put healers a tier above tanks. Honestly, I would put them below, and I think this tier list is already being generous. Invul is more of a panic button, say you pull sth and then got slow debuff, patrols with big aoe/los comes, you are late, it cannot be stunned, what do you do?
@@ampur2 to me this tierlist is how easy can you solo run EO. You dont lose uptime for casting. You gain uptime cause you are ranged. There is no point in pulling big, if your only goal is to clear. The damage difference is negligible between whm and warrior. Its like 500 in Raids if both play perfect. If you are mostly Single pulling the invuln is also basically never useful.. maybe it is just me being rather consistent but i never was in a Situation where i was like, yeah i wish i had holmgang now. To me whm is just Red mage with a lot less damage, but you are also invincible to Mobs, because you are when only pulling 1 or 2 Mobs. But since your damage isnt really worse than warrior. I dont See the upside
White Mage does more damage than Warrior if you can get all your casts in an extended rotation. However, if you get low and need to GCD heal you'll start losing damage. Not only that, WAR burst builds up while you run from monster to monster, but WHM's only burst dmg is Lily and you don't build that out of combat, so if you take off the downtime from running from monster to monster I believe WAR ends up outdpsing any healer.
I think war is flar out the best if you take it's strengths to the max. Its self heal burst x3 with heavy mitigation , self heal in general, equilibrium, good aoe and single target damage for tanks, ease of use, short invuln cooldowns, its buff that increases healing so pots and other such stuff is more effective make itneeally goodnfor full floor pulling and AoEing everything diwn, clearing in 2-3m without pomanders. Killing any dreads help, because it just makes full room pilling comfier or speeds up your run significantly. Im on floor 81 woth war and ive never gone above 30 for the entire floor so far. 71-80 incheayed cuz shir scary there n i poppe my best pomanders but it was worth it.
Why are you giving your opinion if you didn't even clear? War has pitiful damage and most of its healing is overkill or straight up useless since what kills you is one shot mechanics. It's alright for first timing floors I guess, but then any dps with a regen potion is better.
@@lotharschramm5000 Because he has right to post his opinion and while you can disagree with him and tell him why he is wrong, you have no right to tell him he cannot post his opinion you goober.
Trying to solo Orthos right now after a group run. tbh Warrior feels incredibly comfy. If you ever get time issues you can usually just use a pommander. There are no situations where you are forced to use them to get through, they're for time exclusively. Bosses are easy as hell with WAR and an onion knight. The big problem is literally just that people are humans and make little human mistakes. I messed up my Samurai run on Twintania because I didn't expect the green whirlwind dot to almost oneshot you, before I could realise and took my eyes off the job bar HP were already far down and I panicked and died on the next tick. As warrior I just rarely check rooms and made it to 60 without any issues so far and full pommanders. Feels just like the high potd floors where you're all good saving them. With sight (landmine) + witching, storm and dread you have pretty much 9 methods of clearing a floor in one minute. That's more than enough for people to get the title.
I don't think you understand what the word average is. Your Stong + should actually be listed as average as it is right in the middle of your tier list.
That is not the correction solution as that would give the impression that the jobs in there are just average when they are in fact all strong. The correct solution would have been to add 5 or 6 completely empty tiers at the bottom, but I took a shortcut by keeping it like that and explaining why I did in the first 5 minutes of the video
@@FinhBezahl Average by definition is the median or most common in the group that you are comparing it to. You can't compare it to classes that don't exist by making blank tiers. All you need to do is explain that even though this is "the worst class" it can still comfortably clear if you play it right. Just trying to help. Congrats on the clears and thank you for the guides, going to start working on my first DD solo run this week.
@@KillerPeigunin326 I know it's a year later, but he's comparing how they play in comparison to other Deep Dungeons as well, not simply within the Eureka Orthos ecosystem. In other words, a job that would've done poorly in HoH might do excellent in EO. It might seem a bit arbitrary, and maybe it is, but I enjoy it because it gives insight into how the difficulty is different between each Deep Dungeon, without bringing out the exaggerated differences a forced tier list that works on what is the actual average, forcibly split apart for the sake of the list.
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"a lot of people wont agree". You got world first every job cleared. You have the authority here! I will learn from the master lol.
Lol... Authority...
@@KingOfHeartsTANK do the challenge yourself and make your own tier list then smartass
@@KingOfHeartsTANKsomething the matter?
@@KingOfHeartsTANKimagine having something to say and not saying it
That is true but also not. While yes, objectively and on paper some jobs are better than others, you will still clear much easier on a job you are very comfortable with, even if that job is C tier, than with an A tier job you don’t know how to optimize, and have a hard time doing so.
I've been waiting to see how this compares to your pre-EO predictions, I'm excited.
SMN felt so strong I felt like the enemies were locked in the dungeon with me instead of the other way around, even if you're scared of a mob, wait for bahamut and delete it
Yeah but i also think smn is a bit worse here in eo compare to hoh. In hoh smn is just crazy busted. Thats why he put it lower than amazing tier
@@inhuahua1 ngl the fact that I cant get crit oneshot by a mimic on the last set is my fav thing :D
would be nice if you added the previous EO predicament video unlisted in the description, would be fun to see the predict and the truth and compare them
I had the same idea, it should be in the description already
@@FinhBezahl lovely, thanks!
Lol the thumbnail..got me really confused for a second
I legit fell asleep doing it as warrior, couldn't make it to floor 40 because I was getting so bored and stopped paying attention, leading to dying to stupid stuff
Swapped to machinist and straight up cleared on my first save file with it. Amazing+ seems about right
keep crying
@@Hugo-MTX96 ? What a stupid comment
Mch is just ranged warrior....
We need a new 7.05 / 7.0 tier list with new classes
Appreciate the tier list. I really hate how they put a TT card in this content. It's basically dead now so I have to resort to soloing and I not only have little to no aetherpool, but I keep getting screwed by rng in early floors.
I've just gotten into Orthos and man, it has.... not started well. Got caught by surprise twice by bombs on the low levels and insta-wiped. One wipe on the first boss because I was playing with a friend who isn't very good and was paying too much attention to babysitting him. And then last night, another wipe on floor 27 when a Vanara snuck up on me while I was fighting a Demolisher.... then scythe-tailed me with a knockback that sent me straight into a landmine.
I've cleared on both new jobs and they are broken compared to the old jobs. VPR was about as easy to clear as it was for me on SAM or MCH but they have 2 mitigation abilities, where VPR only has 1 (feint). PCT was a bit easier than RDM or SMN for me. Both new jobs didn't seem to get gimped by bad floor debuffs at all. VPR could smoke a gloom + mob damage up + no abilities floor 91+ fairly easily as long as you used regen pots. I wish it had another mitigation ability but it was really only the fast auto-attackers that hurt. PCT was killing Mimic's before they used Pox if I had all of my burst ready when they popped.
Thanks! And just wondered how you dealt with mimics or enemies that were interruptable. I noticed you tier-ed SAM / RDM at the top with MCH but wondered what your thoughts are about them not being able to interrupt? (Unless it's not really that valuable)
Although pox is annoying, it was never more than that for me so I didn't even consider it during my tier list. At worse you'll get a no item combo while you have pox but there are three ways to handle it (Unei / Knight / Serenity)
I'm still in the farming phase before tryinging solo. War felt bad, so slow. MCH is naturally a blast, and smn somehow felt better than RDM even as a RDM main.
I'm trying on RDM now after dying on WAR to a random mistake I made on floor 6x. Its tough getting used to having to potion but the damage is so much better I don't feel like I'm standing around just waiting for things to die
Until you are fully unsynced (floors 41+) and topped off at +99, yes everything feels really slow. Especially since in HOH the first 50 floors were nerfed with both HP pool and damage dealing making them VERY fast compared to this. The first 40 floors are absolute torture.
I haven't found an answer to this anywhere, but been curious: how important is multi pulling for a solo clear? Or is it doable with 1 mob at a time? Thanks for the content!
Not important at all, on the contrary if you're new in deep dungeons, you don't want to multipull
Got a summoner clear recently had to turn my spell effects down tho, got killed a couple times from being blinded by bahamut and titan as something started a 0.5sec cast.
I feel like warrior should be a little higher up cause of holmgang's low cd. You can pull several mobs with safe mechs, invuln, step on a mine and finish them off. Can even do it with a whole room of enemies if you throw down a witching or lethargy too
I disagree. I never felt war had an advantage with using the bomb trap this way since the invuln isnt required at all for it to work. I do this every chance i get on PLD
The only way war would have an advantage is if you found a bomb trap exactly every four minutes and you must to invuln it.
@@never5930 You would need to invuln if you were getting hit by aoes while waiting for enemies to gather around the mine, and there can be multiple mines per floor so having a short invuln cd could help you make use of them
@@ThePiggyGuy nah, you just need to be topped off before you get hit by the explosion. For example, drk, use tbn to keep some health prior to explosion then then just use abyssal drain after the explosion. For PLD just holy sheltron, and clem right before the explosion to make sure youre topped off and HS will give you some sustain on top of that. Thats where you can even use your burst for more healing or you can just clem. For gnb, just pop HoC and aurora prior to explosion, and kite a bit until youre at max and then once you explode you have enough health to not die from it afterward due to the excog and regen.
Basically, as long as you have something to heal you after the explosion you wont die. All tanks do in deep dungeon. Thats why warrior doesnt have any real advantage using the bomb trap strat. Unless you know for sure that you have access to a bomb exactly every 4 minutes and you dont know how to resolve it outside of invuln, then WAR's holmgang doesnt have any real advantages here.
I use this strat without invuln all the time, and i pull over half the floor in most cases. So for me, holmgang isnt really neccessary for this strat, and all tanks can reliably do it if your know what youre doing.
And in addition to that, popping a hi potion and regen potion makes it even more brain dead and safe to pull off
although I really felt the strength of hg's short cd + the insane heal of bloodwhetting doing massive AoE pulls on WAR for score, I have to say that for just clearing it didn't feel that helpful. I only really did landmines on 71-72-73 and I was able to do them on every single job with a witching without too much issue
@@FinhBezahl yea and alot of it just ends up being overheal anyway. I prefer the kiting aspect on pld burst.
Out of the dps jobs I've played so far, through the entirety of EO, is RPR, MCH and DRG. I have to say, RPR feels far stronger and better compared to MCH. So I personally would put RPR as Amazing+ and MCH below it and DRG as Strong+
While MCH can interrupt mimics, it doesn't sell it for me, because the only real damage it has is coming from is Chain Saw, Drill and Air Anchor and holy shit it really really needs to rely heavily on steel in the later sets, which is why it's Amazing-.
DRG I have to move down to Strong+ and not Amazing-, While it definitely feels bit stronger than, MCH, it's way to busy for what damage it does, which is why I have to knock it down to Strong+,
RPR I put up to Amazing+ because I had zero problems with it, heck it melted enemies down very quickly I'm not sure why it feels stronger than DRG, but it does and it's rotation is less bloaty and simple.
I've yet to try the other dps jobs, I'm pretty sure they're probably perfect where they are on the list.
Seeing the tanks so far to the bottom feels so wrong
Agreed but hey if you can sustain well on dps you can also burn mobs way faster and not even have to tank that well.
I played on tanks first and DPS second, I truly believe tanks are below DPS. Especially on lower floors where you grind to 90, omg, so boring and they are pretty tight on time as well.
The best thing on tank is you have invul as your panic button and you don't really need pots/steel. If you have a lot of pots, the higher your aDPS the better, that's why you see SAM and MCH up there.
No stress in catching up to time, higher damage means less mechanics to do, less mistake.
It is very weird. We had a podcast before EO came out and every single one of us agreed tanks would be overpowered. We did not predict that they would make damage meaningless and instead turn it into binary oneshot mechanics
It's really funny, potd almost feels like the middle ground now, where HoH is just raw numbers and orthos is almost purely mechanics
Wouldn't the instant ruin on SCH make it decent for exploring too?
Why is clemency for paladin not a strength? I can't make out what Finh is saying. CC didn't help. @44:01 "is not a strength because there's XXXXX you.
"is not a strength because there's just nothing that deals damage to you"
Suffering from success
Cast times, hurts dps
No matter what, we can all agree that for any DD, astro absolutely sucks 😂😂
Eureka Orthos is my first Deep Dungeon i am trying solo and so far my best attempt was getting the Floor 80 Boss to 0,1% HP..
I feel really discouraged to continue and don't know, if i am able to do it..
if you can get that far you can complete it, go again
Eureka Orthos doesn't have a big difficulty spike for the later sets unlike PotD and HoH. If you can clear up to 80 (I would even say if you can clear up to 70), you can absolutely clear up to 100 as long as you look up what each monster does. Don't get discouraged!
Meanwhile you can't even sustain through the floor 10 boss on most dps... I don't get Orthos. Like, as Machinist, I need Orthos Potions or I literally don't have the healing to survive the boss's auto attacks. Yet... I can't get through Orthos to GET Orthos Potions... without Orthos Potions...
Do you get a checkpoint after so many floors after floor 30?
If you mean a checkpoint as in you can restart from a higher floor, no, there is only one of those for each Deep Dungeon (F50 PotD - F30 HoH / EO)
Keep in mind you cannot start from this check point if you want the achievement. The achievement requires starting from 1
again youre missing out on bluemage. im beginning to think you dont have bluemage or ever played it ever.
I dont think it makes sense to put warrior and white mage for example in the same tier.
If damage is constantly hitting you, there is no difference between whm and warrior. Both a invincible on mobs.
And you are basically gaining 10-20% damage and the downside is: You are melee, you have worse storms, you dont have a rotation.
Idk why i would be happier on warrior compared to whm.
Yeah depending on mechanics on bosses you will survive more, but who cares imo. Its mechanics you have to do anyway and being ranged also helps with that.
so much benefit on tanks, you can stun, you can interject, you can invul, you don't need steel. So much easier to pull big and storms/landmine compared to other jobs. You are not casting.
@@ampur2 stun yes, you dont need steels on healers, why would you need an invuln ? And storms are just better on healers since dots Kill
@@siinuxxblume5123 yeah but healers die faster when you pull big as well. You definitely need steel to survive boss mechanics on jobs other than tanks.
Getting uptime during mechanic is more difficult for caster healer on top of their low dps.
On the other hand, I don't know the reason why you would put healers a tier above tanks. Honestly, I would put them below, and I think this tier list is already being generous.
Invul is more of a panic button, say you pull sth and then got slow debuff, patrols with big aoe/los comes, you are late, it cannot be stunned, what do you do?
@@ampur2 to me this tierlist is how easy can you solo run EO. You dont lose uptime for casting. You gain uptime cause you are ranged. There is no point in pulling big, if your only goal is to clear. The damage difference is negligible between whm and warrior. Its like 500 in Raids if both play perfect. If you are mostly Single pulling the invuln is also basically never useful.. maybe it is just me being rather consistent but i never was in a Situation where i was like, yeah i wish i had holmgang now.
To me whm is just Red mage with a lot less damage, but you are also invincible to Mobs, because you are when only pulling 1 or 2 Mobs. But since your damage isnt really worse than warrior. I dont See the upside
White Mage does more damage than Warrior if you can get all your casts in an extended rotation. However, if you get low and need to GCD heal you'll start losing damage.
Not only that, WAR burst builds up while you run from monster to monster, but WHM's only burst dmg is Lily and you don't build that out of combat, so if you take off the downtime from running from monster to monster I believe WAR ends up outdpsing any healer.
I think war is flar out the best if you take it's strengths to the max.
Its self heal burst x3 with heavy mitigation , self heal in general, equilibrium, good aoe and single target damage for tanks, ease of use, short invuln cooldowns, its buff that increases healing so pots and other such stuff is more effective make itneeally goodnfor full floor pulling and AoEing everything diwn, clearing in 2-3m without pomanders.
Killing any dreads help, because it just makes full room pilling comfier or speeds up your run significantly.
Im on floor 81 woth war and ive never gone above 30 for the entire floor so far. 71-80 incheayed cuz shir scary there n i poppe my best pomanders but it was worth it.
Why are you giving your opinion if you didn't even clear? War has pitiful damage and most of its healing is overkill or straight up useless since what kills you is one shot mechanics. It's alright for first timing floors I guess, but then any dps with a regen potion is better.
@@lotharschramm5000 Because he has right to post his opinion and while you can disagree with him and tell him why he is wrong, you have no right to tell him he cannot post his opinion you goober.
This 100000000%×100000000%
Trying to solo Orthos right now after a group run. tbh Warrior feels incredibly comfy. If you ever get time issues you can usually just use a pommander. There are no situations where you are forced to use them to get through, they're for time exclusively. Bosses are easy as hell with WAR and an onion knight. The big problem is literally just that people are humans and make little human mistakes. I messed up my Samurai run on Twintania because I didn't expect the green whirlwind dot to almost oneshot you, before I could realise and took my eyes off the job bar HP were already far down and I panicked and died on the next tick. As warrior I just rarely check rooms and made it to 60 without any issues so far and full pommanders. Feels just like the high potd floors where you're all good saving them. With sight (landmine) + witching, storm and dread you have pretty much 9 methods of clearing a floor in one minute. That's more than enough for people to get the title.
I don't think you understand what the word average is. Your Stong + should actually be listed as average as it is right in the middle of your tier list.
That is not the correction solution as that would give the impression that the jobs in there are just average when they are in fact all strong. The correct solution would have been to add 5 or 6 completely empty tiers at the bottom, but I took a shortcut by keeping it like that and explaining why I did in the first 5 minutes of the video
@@FinhBezahl Average by definition is the median or most common in the group that you are comparing it to. You can't compare it to classes that don't exist by making blank tiers. All you need to do is explain that even though this is "the worst class" it can still comfortably clear if you play it right. Just trying to help.
Congrats on the clears and thank you for the guides, going to start working on my first DD solo run this week.
@@KillerPeigunin326 I know it's a year later, but he's comparing how they play in comparison to other Deep Dungeons as well, not simply within the Eureka Orthos ecosystem.
In other words, a job that would've done poorly in HoH might do excellent in EO.
It might seem a bit arbitrary, and maybe it is, but I enjoy it because it gives insight into how the difficulty is different between each Deep Dungeon, without bringing out the exaggerated differences a forced tier list that works on what is the actual average, forcibly split apart for the sake of the list.