Living with the 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS: A high spec Porsche 982 or a low spec Porsche 991?
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- Kumo and MotoMan get their hands - and paws - on the 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 982 which they proceed to take to some of the glamorous places of Los Angeles - like the freeway, to find out which Porsche they want to live with . . .
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Love my 2019 718 Cayman GTS. The engineers at Porsche knocked it out of the park creating a car that is sub 4 seconds 0-60 while getting 22MPG around town.
do you still have it? if so, do you still like it?
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I ordered a 2015 Boxster GTS manual from the factory intending to track it and I have--many days on a handful of tracks in the Southeast, U.S. The car loves it. Nothing has ever failed or malfunctioned. Yes, by tracking the Boxster I feel I'm getting my money's worth out of the car. The risk in tracking it, to me, is less than driving in stop and go traffic and against on-coming cars. If you're a good driver, track it!
Did you make any mods before tracking? Like baffled oil pan or maybe a second radiator? Or is she bone stock from that perspective?
I have a 718 GTS with PDK. It's an unbelievable car! I've had 3 prior 911's which are also great cars, but the driving characteristics of this car are spectacular. It's absolutely sublime!
Reasons for PDK: 1) city traffic 2) 7 speed vs 6 speed long ratios 3) launch control 4) quicker acceleration 5) better mileage. I normally go for a manual (1987 944) but technology has improved!
I think Porsche just casually makes up the prices on their options while drinking beer after work
LOL!!!
Owner here. That would be correct.
@@budtcheez hahahahahaha okay okay
I own a 2018 718 GTS and love it! Before I bought it, I drove it and a upgrade base 911 and I felt like the 718, was more fun and more “special”. It’s a great car! Love ya motorman!!!
Such an informative video and entertaining as well! I was torn for weeks between the boxster and cayman but have now decided to go with the cayman...I am excited!
the traffic driving was brilliant.. "Cut off a prius" hahaha..
I have had my Turbo S out on the track a dozen times in the past year. Just do it.
My choice would be PDK, but frankly I’m just “over” manual gearboxes... PDK is marginally quicker, shifts are lightning, requires no work and still offers as much satisfaction...
I will miss my manual 981S at times, but the PDK in my newer 718 GTS is amazing. It's just faster and better on the track and in traffic. It thinks and reacts quicker than I can with a manual, which is something you could not say back in the early 2000s. I remember when old torque converter autos were dogs. The stick in my dad's Acura Legend felt like a rocket at 8 sec 0-60. Lol!
Beautiful color! I can't wait to review my first Porsche 😉
Nice view of Manual. I used my savings for PASM and PTV diff. Loved the dog passenger. 2019 Boxster S manual. Sport Chrono. Sport Tech, 18w Sport seats. Specd to be a GT for long drives on winding two lanes. Looked at many options over the past 4 years M2,M3,M4, Audi TT, 911, Z4, 240M drop top.
I noticed you were " double clutching" during your accelerating unto the hwy..
Is double clutch better for a manual transmission in everyday dtiving?
After driving a 991 Carrera S and a 981 Cayman, the 718 is the only one that has truly gotten under my skin. The grumbly lil monster is my pick for the price range you spoke of. However, used 991 911 Turbos also go for what a new 991.2 Carrera T goes for and they are great used as well. And they come with a sunroof....
ShiniGamiVII Amen!
I'm thinking about getting a used Boxster or Boxster S for 35-40k hmmmm. Love the manual though. Is there rev matching ?
For my track days I have a Legends Race car, 1250 cc Yamaha FJR engine, 140 hp, 10,000+rpm, 1,300 lbs, sequential gearbox, top speed 120-130 mph, a ton of fun on small tracks, 50k all in with different gear sets, spare tires, trailer and asst. other spares...Lots of real races to choose from, dirt and paved ovals + road courses, low entry fees...or just take to a lap day with my friends...for reference I drive a Lotus Evora 400 on the road
Sir, you have cracked the code of life:)
I love spec racing, sure the engine is sealed, but you learn so much about chassis setup and tuning, it's fun as hell setting up the car, even more fun real wheel to wheel racing...in a car you didn't have to mortgage the house for, and have support and parts available right at the track if you need it
I bought a 718 GTS specifically for a track car. Yeah, I got the PDK and would never get a sunroof in this car. You want the sun, stick with a Boxster or cabriolet. I never open the sun roof on my other cars.
By the way, I also kept my 987 Boxster S as a summer weekend car. Never had any real interest in a 911. For me, Porsche history was all about the 550. The 911 was a squashed Beetle, now it seems like a giant GT car. Maybe if I did a lot of highway miles, I might find the 911 desirable but for twisty roads the Cayman/ Boxster is the way to go, IMO.
Nice that you didn’t spend half the video whining about the sound( like some others). Congrats for moving one.
well said about the 550 / 911. Porsche is stuck in a 911 psychosis...re tracking the 718: fine if you bear in mind that this is not a GT Porsche and hasn't been designed with that in mind - see PCA vid on the GT4, in case you haven't already, and the mechanical changes to cope with higher loads are laid bare in there plus there is no proper dry -sump...I think even on the GT4 albeit Porsche may have made a tweak or two on this one but you have to bear that in mind if you do proper/real track work: on high loads the engine on your 718 will struggle for decent lube...over time that means a faster than expected wear rate
Thanks. I'll take a look at that suggested vid. I'm familiar with issues on older generation Caymans but I haven't seen a lot of data on the 718 given it's newness. My goal with this car was to try avoid going down the "bottomless pit of mods" for a while. We'll see how that works out.
I swear this guy lies.
Juan the 718 and 911 are both great cars, each have their pros and cons like anything else.
I agree. Horses for courses. I'm not against the 911. In fact, for an around town shopping car or long distance drive, I would prefer a 911. I really like back seats. It irks me to have to open the trunk constantly to store items. Even my wife's purse doesn't fit in my Boxster. If she is driving, the first thing she does is plop her purse on my lap! If I had a dog or small kids ( in that order) I'm not sure I would even consider a 718.
I also have my limit on what I am going to thrash around a track. Paying up 30 or 40% more ( sort of apples to apples) for a 911 seems painful to me. We each have to draw the line somewhere. I don't think comparing a stripped 911 is all that useful to a reasonably well equipped 718.
I think the 718 has a niche. It would be nice if more people appreciated it for what it is and not be so concerned about what it isn't. I think at this point more "professional" reviewers are coming around, even if there are still a number of social media squawkers whinging about sound and 4 cylinders.
MotoMan I need help! I'm looking to buy a midsize sedan or crossover in the 40-50k range and really have not been able to make up my mind. Even after leaning towards the new Toyota Avalon after watching your review, I am still not so sure I want a fwd vehicle. I would prefer awd or rwd and have had a difficult time deciding on what vehicle to buy. If you can leave any insight or have a particular vehicle you think is the best in this range feel free leave a long expose about it.
@motoman I live in Norcal, drive a VW Golf R, 6spd highly modded. I hate myself for not getting the dual clutch. Rush hr sucks. Now my nerve injury is causing my feet to go numb so my new car, 718 GTS or GT4RS will be PDK. it's the best of both worlds. I'm with u, I love sun roofs, why no option for this is beyond me.
A buddy of mine is an instructor with PCA, and his track car is a 944. I own a 944 as well, and the reason is because a nice example can be had for about $5k, and it can be tracked for about $10k per year in the endurance series
I would go with the 911 because I,ve wanted one for ever. Sort of realistically it would be a Carrara T but since were just taking I love the R and l drive a 2016 MX5 club. The poor man with two boys in college one at ASU Porsche.
I think you bring a lot of very pertinent points. I would go for the 911 Carrera t because it is more special in every measure. I'm with you with the track thing: I would not risk a 92k car on the track, which brings the point of a lot of daily driving niceties as a sunroof and comfort. Same thing with the manual, I could not care less that I can shave a few hundredth in my shifts, but I can care about the fun of shifting. I had a 2008 VW R32 with the DSG. After one week of dayly driving the car in heavy Chicago traffic, I developed an allergy to the gearbox and I went to a manual BMW 128i that was way more livable in that traffic and way more fun on open road. I have been looking at many options to replace the 128i and the only one I am considering is a used 911 997 or 991 Carrera 2 manual, hard to find with am interior they is not black (I despise black interiors) and a sunroof
I have a 2016 Boxster Spyder, love it. But just drove a 991.2 base 911 w/PDK last week and it blew my mind. If the Spyder wasn’t such a “special” model I would’ve probably traded it in for a 991.2. It’s WICKED FAST
I believe the 2.5t is a heavy brute, but it sounds so good .
That is a very delicate shifting technique.
How much time did you spend brushing him out before putting him in that?
Mine was $97k, and yes I track it. It’s also a badass and fun daily driver with a manual transmission.
I'd have to pick the Cayman because I have no rear engine bias. Of course right now my budget says no to both and I will just continue enjoying my Abarth.
Looking to buy a 718 Cayman s myself as a daily car. At that price point you could also get a GTS 981 Cayman or a 5 year old 991 here in the uk. Having thought long and hard, I am going for the newer vehicle because it will be used daily. As an occasional use car, I would get the 991
I have a 981 Cayman s with the sport exhaust and it sounds so much better than the 718. The flat six just screams, crackles, pops; adding so much too the driving experience. When people hear the high pitched wail from 4k rpm and up, they know it's an exotic, and it puts a huge smile on their faces :)
It ain’t no exotic 😑
Very informative review. And a dog in a car review video is always a winner!
718 Spyder for me. Have one on order. It doesn’t get any better than a flat 6, NA mid-engine. Your last review of the 981 Spyder convinced me to order one. Please keep up the great work!
I almost choked on my lunch when you cut off the Prius. Please try to contain your loth of the Hybrid Toyota ha ha!
Track it!
Why buy a race car to dodge pickups and Toyotas.
I track my 2016 Cayman S where it is right at home.
Also, the PDK lets you concentrate on driving not shifting.
I mean, when you have driven manual transmissions for a while, it's like second nature when driving? I don't get the statement(from someone who owns a PDK.. and loves it, but has also driven manual transmissions more years of my life than not).
I autocross my 2017 Porsche Carrera 4S :) At the time you filmed this the GTS was a newer model, now you can buy a nicely optioned used one for $80k.
Interesting video MotoMan; and I have a few thoughts on the points you raised and on the comments of others here. BTW, I ordered a GTS with the options I wanted from the factory. Took a few months for delivery, but the flip side is I won’t be bugged for years to come over why I didn’t have a certain option.
Sun roof: having previously owned a car with a leaky sunroof, I have no interest possibly encountering that problem again. I also bought a new Macan S at the time of the GTS order, and it had a sunroof, which is standard on a Macan. Would have rather not have a sunroof there, but had no choice.
Ceramic brakes: I went with steal brakes as I couldn’t see the added expense providing any value for my driving needs. I live in the real world of car driving.
PDK: I got the PDK, as it makes life simpler. Yeah I know sifting speed is a factor, but my reasons for the PDK were more basic. I sometimes drink coffee when I drive. Also my wife will drive this car, and though she can drive a manual, she rather drive an automatic. I previously owned a 2006 BMW Z4 M as a 3rd car, and she felt the clutch was “too stiff” for her, and as a result she never drove it. She is entitled to some fun also.
Track car: I agree, an optioned out Cayman GTS is too much money to hurl around the track. However, I may do a track day to get a sense of the car’s ability and have some fun.
Cayman GTS vs a 911. Been there and done that. I previously owned ‘75 and ‘77 911s (both bought new, so you can tell I am old- if 65 is old). Nice cars for the time, but if I got too aggressive, I would end up swapping the frond and rear ends. I get it- stability electronics and all wheel drive can solve the problem to some extent, assuming you get into a spin situation in the first place. I did briefly consider ordering 911 GTS with the same options as my Cayman GTS, but I would be spending about $50k more. Given that I sold appreciated securities for the car purchase that I will pay capital gains taxes on, and add in sales tax, the 911 GTS was a $210k hit on my wallet. Oh, and for a depreciating asset. Came close but didn’t. I don’t think I will regret going with the Cayman GTS over a 911.
Dogs in cars: I have two Shi Tzu’s. One will ride in the passenger seat, or on my wife’s lap, the other is on my lap looking out of the car, or on the passenger floor. A Cayman is not a great dog transporter.
Oh, and may I add my thoughts on four vs. six cylinder Porsche engines? First off, the Cayman GTS has plenty of power. Secondly, anyone with a V8 sports car thinks fours and sixes are wimpy sounding. Don’t even consider what V12 owners think.
youtube at its absolute best! great reply
I do like the way the Cayman drives - I thought the previous 6 cylinder car handled beautifully and also had the right sound. However, for this kind of money, I'd go for the 911T every time. My current Porsche (for weekends and special occasions is a 993 Carrera. Cheers
+1. . Fast Foreward Jan 2021. .Current seasonal driver is an ole '98 Carrera 2S (993). . Since delivery in November 1997, the coupe is used on occasion. . A silver understated Uber ski-Kombi, a USA '96 Audi UrS6 Kombi served as the daily driver followed by a Euro '06 VW GTI MkV. . In 2016, the DD '06 GTI was handed down to a niece. . Thereafter an "as-new" '94 E-Class E320 coupe (W124) has the daily driver roll. . (Uncles E coupe). . My wife's/family car is an MB Kombi with a '22 MB Kombi in the queue for a Fall Euro delivery.
.. The Porsche Cayman - For me, a good, well optioned, used 1-owner 981 S/GTS could be a 4-season daily driver, no problem. . While the 4.0l 6cyl 718 Cayman GTS is in production, at about half the cost ($115K) of an ordered 4.0l GTS,,, a $50K to $60K-ish model-year '14 thru '16 Cayman S/GTS 3.4l can be found. . While many/most 981s are PDK spec'd, the 6sp manuals are out there. . An abundance of MY14 Cayman Launch Cars are options "Loaded",,, being spec for spec like the higher trim GTS Caymans. .
For kicks a 2021 718 Cayman GTS 4.0l spec./build as follows;
Agate Grey Metallic, Std. wheels in no-cost silver, Full Two-Tone Leather Interior (Agate grey w/pebble grey), Sports Seats (18way) w/Memory, 6sp manual, PASM, PTV, Chrono Pkg, LED PDLS Lighting, Lighting Design Pkg., Parkassist (rear), Burmeister Infotainment Pkg., Lane Change Assist, Leather Sun Visors, Leather Steering Column, Leather R. Mirror, Sport Steering wheel. > Approx. $115,000 USD .. Cheers, Vail, Colorado
love your channel and content.
Launching a manual porsche. dig it.
:)
@motoman, i've driven manuals all my life, and yes, in traffic it is a bloody pain. What you were into wasn't traffic:) First gear foot on the clutch for 2hrs is horrible. If you have just the one car, i totally agree auto is the way to go.
I commuted into Manhattan across the GW bridge and inched forward to the tolls for about 45 minutes every day 5 days per week. It was awful. A PDK or plain slush box would have been half as
much pain.
Yep, came here to say the same thing :)
But a lot of us that drive the 91 would still vote for manuel for the other 23 hours a day we drive...idk...but hes right if you dont have that drive...
I was about to say the same. This is not what I would call traffic ; )
Same as yourself I have driven manuals all my life, primarily because auto variants are priced significantly above manual specs in my local market and I've had enough.
If given the option I would pick an auto, especially if its one as fine as the PDK.
99% of the people who say "It's terrible in traffic" don't have to drive in that kind of traffic every day. And if you do, a car on the level of a Cayman or a 911 is ridonkulous to begin with... Get a daily for that, and keep the real car for other drives.
Yes. I tracked my 718 Boxster S, June 15 2017, European delivery. 242 Laps on the Nurburgring.
If you do not run a Porsche on a track you are wasting your time and money. They are race cars.
2019 BMW M2, European Delivery, June, and again Nurburgring. Once in a life time. (again)
I'd like to take that question back a bit. I currently drive a Cayman 981 which I bought for less than $40k. It's base with a couple of features like sound, heated seats, and the PDK. Like normal, I was on the hunt for a deal, but let's say the budget is *around* $40k. Do you buy a 981 or a 991 on the cheap?
I have a 718 Cayman S and absolutely love it. I’m in the Uk btw
nice car. saw your flight suit hanging. Found mine a month ago, just cannot find the person that used to fit in it. Want a review on the new sling 4 with the new rotax. good review
I fly a Sling 2 but did do a 2 cross countrys in a Sling 4 - not the new one. Will try to talk them into letting me fly that new one - there is a grand total of ONE in the US right now.
Totally agree with your conclusion...the lack of a sunroof (as an option) is unfortunate. I realize the projection here is driving purity, AND there's the full on convertible in the Boxster, but a sunroof in the Cayman should be an option for those who opt to daily the car.
I own a 718 Cayman GTS in the UK and absolutely love it. I would only change it for the 718 GT4, it would still fit into my garage which is good news. Have driven 911 before and yes faster but daily driving just too a big a car and surprisingly twitchy.
I also own a manual 718 GTS in the UK and it's an amazing car. I'm a purist, I spent a lot of time debating between the 981 and the 718 GTS as I wanted the flat 6. In the end the styling both inside and out, the increased performance and the tech made me go with the 718 and give up (for now) the flat 6 dream. Also, a second hand 981 GTS was still selling for the same price as a new 718 GTS and the lure of a new car was also nice. I have absolutely no regrets. The 718 does not sound bad, it just doesn't sound like a flat six. It also doesn't sound like a wrx. Everyone I've taken in the car grins from ear to ear the whole time and they all comment on how good it sounds. Like you, the only car this is getting chopped in for is the 718 GT4.
presley1234567 there is no such thing as a 718 GT4..
blade643 it's in development at the moment...
Tom Page all speculation, its not in production..
blade643 it's in development, already been out on the Nürburgring and been confirmed to have a NA engine.
718 Cayman GTS here. It is better than the 911 cars I initially shopped for. My brother is 6'9" and can drive it... my friend has 40" inseam and she has no problems. It is fast, handles wonderfully, and is surprisingly fuel efficient.
Your mate is is just unlucky, I've tracked very car... generally the brakes take the biggest hit but they can be replaced . ( brake fuild upgrade)
Would be an absolute sin not to take the 718 out, how else are you going to experience the mid engine.
I have always wanted the audi 2.5t v5 in the Cayman, it would sound amazing.
Audi 5 in a Cayman / Boxster: agree as it is so much better than the crappy 4 Porsche came up with. BUT it would destroy the packaging e.g. rear boot gone and the handling as well as it would push the centre of gravity way up...
I saw him and his wife last night - who is surprisingly cool about the whole thing - and share your sentiment with them. That said, he is coming around to the whole cup car thing slowly.
Why do I watch your channel ? Hmmm
Do you really mean 'my' channel? You possibly couldn't as I haven't got such a thing! There is a post in there in case someone needs some help / detail building an identical scale model F1 Ferrari but that is it
I drive a 2017 Cayman S with PDK. To me, the technology and operation of the PDK makes all the difference. It is so responsive and smooth that I can’t see me driving a manual. I guess it comes down to personal choice. But you can’t argue with the fact that the PDK develops more torque and is quicker in zero to tests.
I track my M2 and it does great and have considered a 918 Cayman S for track work but I think your suggestion of the MX-5 Cup car is probably the best way to go, the only downside is when you get a dedicated track car like that is you then need a trailer and a truck so it is a bigger commitment in terms of space and money. BTW, I am so tired of hearing the PDK versus manual debate. We should be celebrating the fact we have a choice instead of shaming people who want a PDK (for any reason). Journalists have really worn this debate out. Unless your paying for my car you don't get a vote so stop telling me what transmission to get!
George, can you ask Porsche about whether they use active sound in the cabin? Your interior shots highlight a bass note that sounds rather fake. Sounds a lot like the M3 / M4’s Active Sound Design. I had a base (4 cylinder) Macan this week and it definitely has it as part of the Sports Exhaust.
This car’s exhaust sounds weird. No way around it. I heard one with an aftermarket (Fabspeed?) Exhaust at a local PCA meeting and it just did not sound good. And I actually am a fan of Modded Subie Exhaust.
Thanks.
Too kinda not want this model anymore...It's lost that fantastic flat 6 motor that I and many others still feel like Porsche really screwed it's most loyal people over by dropping.
your bashing like many others is just boring... get over it , drive the car. it is fantastic and sounds great just different
Max Baumann Not sure if you think I’m bashing or the other person who commented but I’m not bashing. I have driven the car...have you? Sounds great is subjective. To me, it doesn’t. Certainly not as good as the outgoing six, and bordering on not good at all to my ears. But that’s my opinion, and you’re entitled to disagree. And it hasn’t ruined the car as far as driving goes.
I own the GTS and I love it. I‘m just tired to read the same comments over and over again. Does it sound like the flat six? No! It sounds different but certainly not shit or whatever comments are saying.
and Joe Tacchino there is no fake noise in he GTS. No soundakor installed in the GTS version, only base and s model. No droning.
Why are you double clutching on every upshift??
I have a 2006 cayman s, I love it. Where in california are driving in? I live in OC and looking for cool roads.
The 718 Boxster S with PDK works just fine for me, and I paid under $80k. The GTS is always a nice performance package with the various stuff included and the slight added power, but you have to pay a ridiculous amount extra for the "GTS Interior" with contrasting stitching. The ceramic brakes are something I'd put on the GT3 RS or a GT4 Clubsport, for me and much of the Porsche world, the standard red brakes work fine. So by the time you option the car with Bose, nav, or whatever, you're well into 911 territory. If you want fast and basic, better to wait for the next GT4 (or buy a used one) with the flat 6 from the 911 (the new GT4 will have a detuned version of the GT3 engine). Otherwise, for $90k+ I'd rather get a base 911 Carrera with 7-speed and a few options to make it a nice driver. Of course now you have to wait for the next gen 911 (the 991 is at the end of its run).
I purchased a 2019 Cayman 718S. with PDK for the simple reason I like to drive and want to be engaged but as a below knee amputee a manual is not comfortable for me. Here in Thailand I cost 125,000AUD add the up graded seat with leather and better lights added close to 8000 So far I really enjoy it and living on the mountainous area of the country its perfect for me
Currently drive a 987.1 '08 CS manual with Borla XR1 exhaust. The flat 6 sound through that exhaust is orgasmic and I'm never getting rid of it. The manual is fine for me even in occasional stop and go traffic but mine is a weekend car. If I had to daily it and were about 20 years older, I'm 55, I'd probably want a PDK. For the 90-110k range, I'd get a lightly used 911T for my DD. That way I could have my cake (987.1) and eat it too (911T).
hello MOTO
Do think this car would be better if it had (if possible) :
4 wheel drive
4 wheel steering
a convertible hard top or at least a sunroof
a come back of a flat 6
an of course retaining a manual trans.
I'm like you and want a sunroof for my daily driver. For that money, I'd get a loaded manual M2 or M2 Competition, get a set of HREs, and pocket the change.
Probably my favorite Motoman episode. Cool car with cool planes, how could you go wrong? I like the 718 cars at lower price points and they are extremely usable as a daily commuter car. For 100 grand I’m probably going 911, at least until the 718 GT4 and Spyder get here and then all bets are off.
i have 981 boxster GTS PDK, wish it was manual now though, only thing PDK can do is launch control, which i dont even use lol, if i were to get anything else, it would be the carrera T, manual or a boxster spyder
981 Cayman GTS manual here. Best car ever. Only improvement would be a GT4!!
Travis McGowan - agreed! GT4 is nice!!!
“Only thing a pdk can do” just so not true. It’s quicker, better in traffic by miles, faster gear changes and you can use as a manual when having fun using the great paddles!
I like the stick better, but the PDK is awesome. There are features that you get like launch control that you get with the PDK vs the stick. You also can’t over rev the ODK on downshifts if you are going to take the car to the track. 100% a stick is a PIA in stop and go traffic.
Good job..... cutting off that Prius!!! 👏👏👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👍👏👍👍
Sadly, I had to let go my 987.2 Cayman S. Would I daily a 982? Yes. Would I track a 982? Yes. The only way I’ll feel like I’m getting my money’s worth out of the car would be by tracking it. The track is really the only place where I can legally drive the car I such a way that I could fully enjoy it. On the road, I would only be using a small fraction of the car’s capability. I would then argue, “Why spend all that money on that car?” Granted, I understand it’s a road car, but it’s a road car that is complete overkill for my daily needs, which are well-fulfilled by a Subaru Outback. On track, I might find myself at full throttle much more than on the road. On track, I would be threshold braking, trailbraking, etc. I would be able to explore the limits of adhesion. I could guide the car as it slides through a corner-managing oversteer, understeer, etc. I could be hitting apexes and tracking out in a magnificent, confidence-inspiring package at the limit of adhesion. That’s too much fun! Why leave that capability on the sidelines? Why pay for it if I’m not going to use it? Carrera T vs. 718 Cayman GTS? If new, Carrera T. I have done the Cayman thing. I want the 911. It’s an icon. Plus, 4-wheel steering, LSD... If I’m in the used market in the future, well... I’ll just have to see where my budget is, what cars are available, and at what price. Either should be great based on my enjoyment of the 991.2 C2S and 982 Boxster S at Porsche Sport Driving School-the closest I have come to driving either of the two cars being discussed.
We have to get Motoman some more exposure. This channel is too good for car enthusiasts not to take advantage of it. Especially Porsche enthusiasts.
Hey motoman, how is the interior room ? You look as if you’re a 6 footer like myself .
Very good - but that is what I expect of a car developed by the Germanic peoples. Storage room is even good. Granted, you are not transporting a flat screen TV from Costco but you can do a surprising amount of stuff in the Frunk and the back.
MotoManTV And is there a difference in interior space and headroom between the 718 and 911?
I'd say my dream Porsche right now would be a Cayman GT4. I currently own two porsche's right now, a 987 boxster and 997 Carrera. If i had a free weekend to take the car out, i would much rather take the boxster. Given the mid engine lay out of the car, it provides confident steering and handling and also engages your senses more so than the 911. Hearing the flat 6 literally behind you makes hearing that engine howl at high RPM that much easier. The 911 has the speed, but the 987 has just about everything else in a driver's car.
1) yes I would daily a Cayman 2) pdk while fast it is still better in gridlock [101 north coming out of DTLA] 3) yes I wold track it but HPDE.
For me ..... 911 over 718 but, get both, the 911 to track and the Boxster for weekends. I did my Jersey to NYC (West Side Hwy) commute in my 944turbo (‘88) everyday for 10 plus years, that’s traffic. The drive with the 5 speed was ez (the throttle is also the brakes). But... to be fair I have done the last 17 years in my Evo (‘03). Did some commute years in my Miata too. Maybe should check myself in. 😊
Sunroof absense is a deal breaker for me too. I traveled halfway across the country to buy a '13 E92 M3 6MT with a sunroof. The carbon fiber roof is just silly on a large car that I'll never track. Bring on the full glass sunroof! 🌞
I have a 991.1 4s now and had a Cayman 987 s and a Boxster 986 s. The Cayman was the most engaging and only had the sport chrono option. The Boxster had too much flex. The 991 is too much for PA and DE roads but a lot of fun even with PDK. Overall the Cayman was the most fun, the 991 is a great upgrade for the right scenarios. I wouldn’t take a Porsche to the track, I’d take an s2000.
I had an S2000 (2005 without stability control), and what I know of it and what I have recently seen at the track, the S2000 is tricky on the track. I took my 981 Boxster S manual to the track and had a ball. Wanted to go a little faster so got a 718 Cayman GTS PDK. HPDE isn't likely to ruin your car, so why not take it to the track and enjoy it while vastly improving your mastery of the car for safer street driving?
HPDE's, hell yes. If you're putting a sports car through its paces and not on a track you're breaking the law...keep it on the track. Actual competitive racing...maybe if I was wealthy and could afford to throw away a car every season. Of course in HPDEs I would always buy track insurance.
One of my favorite cars in the world- and my fave Porsche. Greetings from Ireland.
In Germany people drive GT3RS GT3 and even Carrera on nurburgring
I was in the market for a 911 with a budget of around $70,000, drove a base model. 911 and a 718 Boxster S and ended up buying the 718...ONLY with the intent of adding a 911 to the collection at some point in time. The 718 S is a great car (albeit 15 HP less than the GTS) and I have no regrets with the decision I made but am looking forward to the day the P-Gods bless me with a 911 (if they are reading this please make it a Turbo S, thank you.)
Hmm..have had both of them...multiple 911's and in fact went from an 997.2 C4S to a 981 Cayman S in 2014 as it was the better driver's car for reasons you mentioned in the review of this 718 Cayman GTS (i.e. engine position, driving position, dynamics, power-weight, etc). Absolutely loved that car and the flat 6 engine IMHO is better than the current 718s although the power-torque curves have gotten infinitely better with Porsche turbo charging the 991.2s and now the 718s. However I currently no longer own my 981 despite it being one of the best cars I've driven having sold it for its bigger brother a 991.1 Carrera S. Less of a driver's car in that it doesn't have that go kart feel reflexively and dynamics that the mid engine Cayman is capable of...but in terms of size and driving feel, power and sound among others..the 991.1 just does it for me! Best of all worlds still....its a supercar with less than super car $$ (depending on how optioned granted and model purchased).
Would I buy another Cayman like this 718? If cash is no object...hell yes. Having both in the garage would be like yin-yang to any driver. Would I pay $90k for a Cayman GTS such as this? Not so...especially the Carbon Ceramic brakes..IMHO overkill unless you're tracking it regularly...something I just wouldn't do either in an $92k sports car! Lower price points for that..hell I'd get a gen 1 Cayman 1st before doing that to a 718 or even previous model 981....too expensive a proposition for the enjoyment. But that's me. Would I get a GTS over a base similarly optioned..yes...over an S? Depends as some of the give-take between the two can be a point of personal preference and budget tolerances. But the GTS I agree is usually the bargain over a similarly optioned base or S. Problem is Porsche knows that and so finding one new or used at that bargain price or deal point becomes sometimes enough to drive you insane. Otherwise...still best cars I've ever owned! Agree on that! Great review Motoman!
It’s a phenomenal car, love it. But I think I’d rather get a base 911 370HP with a Cobb tune for 470HP for around the same price. Great video as always.
I have a 987.1 that I daily and track. That being said, i would take a T over a 718. I really can't get past the engine note.
Planning to buy a 987 Cayman S, in around a year's time. I'm in the UK.
I have 2017 718 Boxster S manual. Cost 69,500. Custom allocation. You don’t need to spend 92,000 to get all the goodness. I have driven 6 HPDE days so far. Even the most base Boxster/cayman is way more capable on a track then anyone unless your a professional driver can exploit. I actually love the sound. The midrange and low end torque is way better then the previous generation 6. I can say this as my previous car was 2010 S. I can pull from second or third and from 2500-4000 rpm with the same acceleration out of a corner.
Still slightly over priced and it just sucks that porsche needs to explore your rectum if you want navigation or other stuff. Porsches have the highest mark up of any mass produced car, good for porsche not good for porsche buyers, unless you enjoy a certain amount of exclusivity porsche gives you. I would like one but not if i have to buy it and pay to maintain it. If i were rich it coukd make a nice daily driber.
Rudy Tanelo Ruxy Buy slightly used and let the original owner take the hit. Bought one at a £26k discount on list and it had done 9,000 miles - guy had it professionally ceramic coated too!
I drive a 400hp 360tq 2015 Golf R 6M and wish I had got the dual clutch. 1 word Traffic!
Love you reviews. I’ve just bought a Carrera T with a Sunroof, I won’t buy a special car without one. I’m told I’ve ruined the car, I disagree! I’ve borrowed a manual 718 GTS for a day and what an amazing car it is. But as you suggest it’s to close to the imperfect 911 in price I wouldn’t track a car of this value.
I would either go with either a used Cayman GT4 or a new Carrera S. I currently have a 981 Cayman GTS and come from south east USA. The 1986 911 3.2 in my profile pic is also mine.
I drive an ‘18 Targa. I only do convertible tops but I think the Cayman GTS is a great looking car but the fact the top does not go down would be a deal killer. :-)
They offer a Boxster (a convertible Cayman). Not for me though, as i can't stand wind noise.
I get irritated that many cars don't have a sunroof delete option!
It will only jam when open just as it starts raining.
It raises the center of gravity.
It will eventually leak.
It will however fill one one of those embarrassing blank covers on the dome light cluster.
2014 Cayman 2.7, Sapphire Blue PDK, Bose. Excellent value new at NZD 120k. New Zealand
Can I say that KUMO is awesome one more time? ;)
79k\92k is a lot of money, M. I can't help but think of alternatives such as the Giulia Quadrifoglio, C63 AMG & M550i. or from the used car market such as the GenV Viper, 991 Targa or 996 Turbo.
As always, excellent video M.
Dude better drive a Vios lol! Hahahaha
Not buying the manual transmission argument. PDK for me.
It’s sounds so sweet as it blips through the gears. And as a daily drive in real stop start traffic...... a clutch is sooo old.
I don’t track mine.
Never would get a sun roof even if offered.
The manual has auto blipping downshifts that are about as fast as a pdk. Id get the manual because I like being in control. I don't plan on living in a city, so traffic wouldn't be an issue for me. And i would take a sunroof, not to open because I hate wind noise, but to let some extra light in (aka I don't like Boxster's so that argument is useless on me).
Great video! We’ll have to do coffee some time.
I'm 52 and have had only manual transmissions...until 2016 when I got an M235i with the best auto trans ever. I've learned to love it. Even on the Dragon's Tail it was 0 sacrifice. And it is better in true stop and go traffic, which was not what you were in as you only stopped once! :-) If I could afford it, I would get a Cayman as my daily. I don't care if its an old 6 or the new 4T. And I would prefer a manual, but take the PDK if it was the best used car deal. For new I might have to flip a coin between a $92k GTS or the $105k minimal spec 911. Actually I would get the base (yes, base) Cayman manual with my minimal options bring it to $69,990. Also I have a bad back which does make things better with an auto/pdk.
Oh, and track? yes, get an MX-5 or miata cup. Or you can drive what I did, a 1983 944. That is a true analog experience, not even anti-lock breaks, just my right foot! Another advantage of the PDK, you can't do the accidental money shift. I've never done that in any of my manuals...but if I did, I'm sure it would be in brand new Porsche!
Love your dog….love your comments on the pdk even more. Sports cars should come with three pedals….full stop.
I live on the east coast in the US and rather than spend 92k on one car with a seemingly good performing turbo four I spent 67k on two cars…..
….a lightly used BRZ and a 981 boxster s. The former is a car that should get more love than it does and I can beat on as a daily and the latter gives me enough power and enough rigidity to not regret getting a cayman. Plus I can drop the top…..plus I have the flat 6…..and I saved a fair bit of $
Would I prefer the 911? Potentially. But money is not endless for me and the same vintage 911 would cost me easily 35-40k more.
Manual Carrera T, No rear seats, T- Interior Pack, Rear Wheel Steer and Alcantera GT Steering Wheel...
This car was VERY close . . . th-cam.com/video/YBj8DOvHpIg/w-d-xo.html
T interior package is a waste if you get the carbon bucket seats with rear seat delete. It'll only get you colored seat belts and door straps. You can get the seat belts colored at a much cheaper option cost. Also GT steering is standard on the T.
Lovely car. I’m not big on sun-roofs, although I have one on my 2002 911 Turbo (never use the sunroof). I prefer the 911 and am infatuated with them. I’ve had an 1972T, which I loved. And a 1990 944 S2 Cab, which I loved. And my favorite yet, the ‘02 X50 Tiptronic Plus. I thought I was a manual tranny guy until I got this Tiptronic Plus. Maybe it has to do with my age (72), but the auto tranny rocks. I’m not arguing PDK vs. manny cars as one is faster than the other; I could not care less about that. I don’t track, this is for my casual use. But I love the Cayman, but not as much as the 911. Good review there, my friend.
Automatic is better in town for two reasons. First you drive with one hand with more freedom, going up on a slope in town with manual is also stressful because you need perfect timing with the clutch and gas pedals otherwise the car will return and hit the car behind or stall. Other reasons are that is more relaxing, that you can quickly burn the clutch easily if unecessarilly pressed too often, or rev the engine unecessarilly shorting it's lifetime. Porsche's automatic has the manual mode, so except for being a very expensive option there are few drawbacks. Maybe for a weekend fun car, manual is fine. For a daily driver in a big city, it's less comfortable. But you get used. The question is why to live with that, when spending/financing $80.000.
Try driving that 996.2 in traffic.. stiff clutch and all! :)
What a beautiful dog, motoman.
Carrera T, disregard options. Love it for what it is.
So here's a dilemma for you, a 718 Cayman GTS or a 2016 Cayman GT4 with 300 miles on the clock and a spec that came out at 100K and change, and you can get it for 97K? (The GT4 is silver and has the bucket seats but not ceramics). What would you choose cause right now I have this kind of option on my table...
Serafim Papayiannis GT4 without a second thought.
The GT4 is one of those cars that's going to appreciate over the years in a way the GTS won't. If you don't need to take out a huge loan to buy one, go ahead.
I will have to take a moderate loan for either car, and I also considered a Carrera T but for some reason the GT4 seems to be the better proposition here. I wonder, when the new GT4 shows up how will the market behave on the old ones, at least for the first year of the new being offered.
Define "moderate loan". If it's over $20,000, then it could be a serious problem, long term. What's your annual take-home income? What other debts do you have, itemized by home(s), student loans, credit cards, etc.? What other car(s) do you own? How much cash on hand do you have? The GT4 is a borderline case of whether to buy it or not; the Carrera T and 718 GTS will depreciate like normal Porsches, and are not worth taking out any loan for. For normally depreciating cars, if you can't pay 100% cash for it, you can't afford it. If you have a car like the GT4, that has the opportunity to appreciate, the question is how fast can you pay off the loan? Also, maintenance and insurance on the GT4 will be high; I have my doubts it will cover the long-term appreciation of the car, even if bought with 100% cash. Adding interest payments into the costs to own makes it even tougher to keep up.
All that said, who said there will be another GT4 made, especially with increasingly stringent emissions standards making it tougher to make manual transmissions comply with high-output engines? And if a new GT4 comes out, don't expect it to have a six-cylinder engine, which will be far more collectable over time. It's going to be the difference between an air-cooled 911, and a water-cooled one.
A safer bet for a weekend car, assuming you can charge it at home, is a used Chevy Spark EV. It's not a 718, or a GT4, but it has a much lower acquisition cost (around $10K), and some very interesting driving dynamics for the price. It has 327 lb-ft of torque at 0 RPM. You might need to get the garage wired for NEMA 14-50, and buy an Amazing-E EVSE (more powerful and expensive ones from Siemens and Juicebox won't charge this particular EV any faster), which will run you an additional $750 or so, combined, but it's a very compelling low-budget performance option. The rear seats also fold flat for surprising cargo versatility, and it could be a competent daily driver, if you don't mind the electric range (as little as 35 miles on very cold winter days, with around 60-70 miles in more normal conditions; 80 miles in ideal conditions).
Michael my question was: “what would you buy IF you could afford between the car in this video or a brand new GT4”.
I don’t think I asked for a financial advise. Your weekend fun car is far off from my weekend fun car, and quite honestly I’m puzzled why you even looking at a car like that since you are, obviously, an EV fan. I wonder what kind of car do you drive? Maybe a micro car? That has even lower acquisition cost as well as better insurance rates; just saying.
According to al the signals from the market, there will be a new boxster 718 spyder and a new GT4. Hypothetically there is none coming, the appreciation will keep climbing on the current baby GT cars faster than if they are indeed replacements on their way.
Don’t know why people have to tell others what options to get on a vehicle that’s not theirs.
However, what you’ve shown as “traffic” isn’t really it.
That isn’t an hour of 5-10 Km/H traffic in rush hour Toronto, or any other super busy downtown city.