I used to want to join the art cc as a creator but the more time I spent on it as a viewer, the scarier it became, I think the huge focus on drama topics and cancelling others really taints the community and it's viewers :c
So as not to take away from our amazing commentator here I won't share my creator identity but I have observed for years all kinds of cancel culture and drama. For my own channel, I do discuss topics that are controversial - but I heavily research any negative issues and only look at more broad things (like AI art issues). My goal is more about educating people and raising awareness on certain issues than stirring the pot. I draw a line when it comes to naming individual names as I would never want to start a witch hunt on someone who might have had good intentions and didn't realize what they were doing. It happens too often with younger content creators and aspiring creators. So I think as long as a commentator can stick to their own morals and ethics and figuratively put themselves in the shoes of others before passing judgement, it's not necessarily an inherently bad thing. It's important that they can own up to their mistakes when they are wrong and learn from them as well. There is a fine line to toe for sure. On a less grim note, I'm looking forward to some videos I have planned that are more focused on art platforms and programs along with the pros and cons for each one. Tech and tools change all the time and there's always room for more fun and educational content, especially where nobody is getting hurt.
Perpetually blowing up in a giant bonfire, right? Reborn in the flames like a phoenix, except it is the flames of the latest scandal or flame war in this scenario, right...? XD
The art cc will never learn to be less problematic because it is a cycle. New people come in, talk about drama, get canceled, new people come in and replace them. It is not dyeing. It is the status quo.
This is the ENTIRE art community and why I stopped participating YEARS ago. Everything on DA was drama. Couldnt post on any social media platform without drama. I was afraid of getting attacked for referencing a pose from a known artist and having people say I "copied" when I would just want to get an idea on how to draw a dog laying on its back. I have pieces of art I have never posted because I was always afraid of "Getting in trouble" and spent many years not even using references because of these fears.
What's worse that back when Shannon/Creepshow was a "huge hit" you couldn't say anything that isn't positive because otherwise her fanbase started witch-hunting, at the same time when she was doing shady shit and bothering Emily. At least the reveal of her true colors stopped it
The "Art Commentary" community isn't "continually dying", as you say; it's stagnant. "Art" encompasses more than just sketching, drawing, and painting: there's writing, graphic design, music, theater, sculpting - they are called "the arts" for a reason. The "Art Commentary" community isn't varied enough, in my eyes. They don't engage in actual commentary on art like speculation on influences, pointing out mistakes or interpretation of individual pieces - you know, actual appreciation of the arts in all its forms; It's just opinion pieces and gossip over sketching and painting. (That is why I insist on using scare quotes when mentioning this niche.) First step to get out of this slump is to stop calling this niche "Art Commentary", because almost no one does so. Just drama gossiping and rage-baiting. And seeing that you mentioned Shanon (Creepshow Art) I can say with certainty that she alone dealt a heavy blow to the niche with her specific brand of idiocy (and no, I'm not just referring to the whole Lolcow fiasco or at the stalking and backstabbing allegations).
Never forget how that one art "discourse" went viral on Twitter months ago when an artist got fed up with the algorithm game and made a drawing about how frustrated they were that their dedicated OC art that they put hours and days into was getting no reach or engagement while the "typical" popular stuff like nsfw or memes was getting more attention, and a good chunk of the artists in my bubble shit on them because people took it as a jealousy tirade or whatever. While I'm doing nsfw (and memes occasionally) too, I could very well understand that sentiment about how unfair you feel treated after so much hard work that gets almost no attention just because the arbitrary algorithm placed it invisibly on the posting timeline or something, and I felt the backlash against them was pretty harsh and utterly mean. I was especially confused by the fact that many popular or even small artists jumped on the bashing bandwagon as if it was about an issue they couldn't relate to. It was so disappointing to witness, and when you tried to put things back in perspective and defend the motivation behind their frustration, you quickly get roasted for it too. Shortly after this incident, another artist made almost the exact same drawing about their frustration and how they got zero attention for their OC, while nsfw, memes, trends and such got much more audience than their art, and the viral ratio and reassurance from the art community was waaaay more positive. It was insane. Among the retweeting and supporting accounts, I even recognized many of them who were just recently straight-up bullying the other artist for the exact same sentiment, and I couldn't believe how hypocritical that felt. At the same time, I keep wondering where all the supportive and encouraging people were around that time when the last drama happened. It often feels like a parallel world paradox when drama happens on social media. Sometimes the articulation of a problem makes a big difference, but in this case I found both drawings and statements identical, whereupon the respective reactions could not be more different. And that is social media in a nutshell for me. I think we artists do ourselves no favors in the long run by shitting on our fellow artists for their genuine feelings of their creative work and passion.
I think it’s the parasocial relationships that form. People will assume that just people so,some is a ‘good’ artist means they’re a ‘good’ person, then immediately idolized and pedistalize them. Then when they discover that they’re a human being with wants, desires, thought, etc they’re suddenly a “bad role model”. They were never a role model, they were someone making art because it’s their passion. Also, can someone PLEASE explain the outrage around tracing? I’m not talking about commissioned work, tracing and then calling it your own, I’m talking about tracing during studies and what not. Sometimes the only way to start to understand a form is to trace over it.
I took a naturalist studies class and tracing over certain species was the only way I was able to learn how to draw the different forms with correctly sized and placed anatomy. So out in the field, I would draw a generic fence lizard and then change the drawing to include whatever unique features the one I am looking at has. Another example, I rode horses for 10 years and it took me tons of tracing to finally figure out how to draw them correctly. It was on a severely tight deadline…I did a galloping horse for my final project for animation and I almost gave up, but tracing and practicing saved my video.
The Art CC and the CC shouldn’t bleed into each other anymore. I really just think Art CC should just be About ART, ART HISTORY, ART tips, People talking about their stories they are creating through their ART and creativity. Not Drama between artists or Drama due to an Artist doing something stupid! But that’s just my opinion, I personally am so tired of all this stvpid sh!t
"The failure to view those being cancelled as human beings who can be hurt deeply and irreversibly by the cruelty of those defining them by whatever controversy they're involved in" I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG. IT'S TRUE. It is a horrible thing for people to just turn you into a problem who's entire existence is comprised of being bad. These people except the people being cancelled to bow down to them and say "I don't deserve to think positively of myself. I am my mistakes and nothing more, and I _deserve_ for every other person to think that way about me." and expect for them to imply that in every apology they make (otherwise, the apology is terrible) It is fucking HARD to admit to have done something extremely wrong. Something *extremely* wrong, and not something that can be excused and have it be said you haven't done anything after all. I mean genuine, serious, wrongdoing. It makes your self esteem fall like hell. These commentary people and the people in their comment sections cannot see anything from the perspective of having done something wrong. And if they have anxiety about being abandoned by their friend/partner because they made their friend/partner mad, well that's just ironic.
TwistedDisaster made a good point about this a while back, that once it comes to not wanting people to have careers or social lives because of what they've done, you're basically just thinking they should die. If you're going to that extreme of a point to prevent them from having a life, then really do you think they should have one at all? Obviously in certain cases (such as people being caught for being genuine predators) it's understandable to want them to be locked up, but I think a lot of people don't think "Do I even think this person deserves to live" and at that point they should REALLY think over your values of how severe their mistakes or grievances truly are.
@@maryanntheconqueror Man, I remember Twisted Disaster's videos on scamming in the art community. I remember when they taught me what a YCH was. Honestly, their videos were really entertaining.
This is something I have said once to my mom and on tiktok "Dont demonize the person, but demonize the actions and behaviour the person has done" We should criticise the person but demonize the behaviour and actions they did as they should be held accountable and responsible for them. This involves racism, homophobia, etc, as said demonize the actions and behaviour as a whole, but criticise the person who did those acts for doing em in the first place. Its gonna be obvious that consequences will happen bigger or much more larger to possibly minor depending on what that person did wrong specifically.
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*starts to write essay about youtube algorithm - home page issues- and how drama hooks people but ultimately people become numb to it or want different "flavors" of drama*
Okay but side note i absolutely love you going the Izzy's route i absolutely love your voice in the background and it makes ma happy when CC's talk about something they actually like instead of what drama is going on i kept up with other CC's who ended up taking that route like solar sands and Izzy!
@@cmtcomet That's the point. He used to be art commentary channel, but as with most big channels that become successful and found big following willing to listen to them talk about anything, he transitioned to just talking about whatever thing he is interested it. Even despite that, he still does often talk about art related stuff.
17:40 THANK YOU! I’ve seen so many people asking “if you’re talking about AI taking your job, why do you wanna make art your job?” every time I talk about why AI art is really trashy. Maybe it’s because I’m good at it and I put time into it! Who would have thought? It’s like looking at the worlds best architect and asking why they don’t do architecture as a hobby. Also yes I would stan celestia doing izzzyzzz content
This is a plague across all social media. Been thinking about it a lot lately because no matter how many words I mute on Twitter, the drama still finds me, and I feel like I'm drowning in fake outrage I want nothing to do with. How do so many people have nothing better to do? Make art not drama, imo. Better to be a cranky grandpa than someone who can only feel worth by stirring up drama. I've enjoyed your measured view on topics. It's refreshing compared to, well, this topic. Deep dives sound fun and I hope you get the chance to do it sooner rather than later.
I think you nailed it! I was thinking the same thing before I watched the video. Side note: the content you want to make sounds RIGHT up my alley! I hope you get to make those videos someday!
I love the videos you make where you critique the community as a whole, I feel like it helps keep it more positive and help change the community for the better. I hope more people are willing to listen to this advice.
fwiw, I listen to all of your commentaries whether it's a topic I have any connection to or not. I always appreciate how well thought out your perspective is. The Art CC might just be going through a transitional phase. One thing I think might start getting more traction as a topic is what's going on with the media platforms artists have to use to reach their audiences as those platforms continue to be more unstable and less optimal as time goes on and corporate meddling continues to be hostile to creators. A lot of the art community is facing the dilemma of "Can I even continue to pursue art as a career this way? If I finally find success on a platform today, will the rug get pulled out from under me tomorrow?"
as I always like to say: "people love to hate". It is very unfortunate but will sadly always happen. Such drama has always existed but were intensified with the broad range and accessability provided by the internet.
i try to avoid all the drama and cancel culture in the art community, its one plus being a small channel, i go under the radar of all that crap, and even if somehow drama found me, im too old to deal with it, nor do i have the patience to deal with internet drama, its not 'real' life issues. I post art but Im not always talking about the art, sometimes its just random ramblings about life. im probably another nihilistic asshole or a cynic, yeah probably a cynic over all the drama
I can feel you on the whole my fandom is dying thing where I know alot of bad stuff happens but I still love it part, currently in a fandom ive been in for 3 years and its dying aswell, the feeling sucks, your not alone on that :(
I would totally listen to you talk about we happy few, it's SUCH an underrated game (with its fair share of flaws) the aesthetic is SO GOOD and the lore! The fandom is so small and I'm always happy when I see some actual content related to it (Entertaining/good contet as well!)
Also, if you're specifically aiming to make this channel specifically art related in some way, you could, maybe, make a second one related to games and stuff, then you won't have to worry if this one will lose its following by adding different content (just a thought)
Dude tbh if u did the Izzyzz route commentary I'd totally watch! I love long form deep dives/rambles into content, especially content I didn't/couldn't engage with in the past. I get to learn what the nostalgia &/or hype was all about. And you're nice to listen to, I like your voice & intricate takes on stuff
I loved the points you made here, as a sort of 3D artist myself it was interesting to hear what's going on in the 2D art community. I don't think 3D artists usually have situations like these, in regards to drama or controversies. by the way, big respect to you for mentioning Corpse Party! It's been dead forever, and I eat up anything pertaining to it these days.
We live in an attention economy and the easiest way to garner attention is drama, path of least resistance. But the quantity of that traffic doesn’t necessarily translate to quality. Many fields are capitalizing on drama for traffic, though not necessarily participating in any drama themselves. Since lockdowns we’ve seen huge growth in lawyers, doctors, psychologists, etc giving their professional takes on popular news. Artist communities on the other hand lack a certain level of professionalism because it doesn’t take much for one to present themselves as an artist. And when that fails due to perhaps a lack of skill or experience they may lean on drama unrelated to their supposed skill.
just wanna let you know that I'd happily sit through a three hour commentary of you talking about omori bc I love that game more than anything. also, I just really enjoy hearing you talk, your topics and voice are so calming and entertaining to me :]
To be honest, to not exactly know what you are going to talk about on the next video has been a great element of surprise. I like it and am eager to see what it is this week and the next and so on. And if you want to make video essays in the future, let's go! I love long videos and many others do too. Anything you are excited about or like, will be interesting to listen to. I would love to see you upload an essay with a speedpaint or a draw along kind of video to go along with the essay. I do understand tho, that it's not that simple to "just try it and see if it works". It takes time to draw, edit, record and script, and it is understandable if you want to wait a bit for this kind of content.
Hey Celestia I don't know if you take criticism but well this is rather a tip than actual critique. In a video u once said that you are unhappy whit the way you draw faces and while I don't think you would need to change anything about the way u draw them maybe this is interesting to hear: Your hair and your clothes are always really detailed and ur eyes are rather drawn simple. I feel like adding a bit more smaller eyelashes or highlights could look really cute but ofc I still love ur style as it is and you don't need to change a single thing. Anyways love ur vids keep up the great work!!!
PLEASE DO TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU LOVE! I watch your channel for you, whether the topic is relevant to what I like. Normally, you make it interesting enough to listen to. I know you may not probably see this, but if you do, PLEASE I BEG OF YOU IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME. Especially something about Omori lol
The art commentary community is in that stage of a phoenix's lifespan where it is about to die, but as you know, it will end up being reborn. It can die, but it cannot stay dead
i think as we've seen with the iceberg meme videos trend and the growth of video essay channels, there is a pretty large amount of people who want to watch long videos that explore a particular topic in depth. to take the "izzzyzzz route" as you called it, lol. (i love their videos in particular, i literally get excited whenever i see a new upload from them). but anyway i think more art commentary channels will see the video essay/deep dive format as a way to get consistent viewership from video to video that doesn't require them resorting to witch-hunting fellow artists for views.
My urge for making an art related channel revolving mental health and social media topics grew over the last few years with the growing issues around that career and all the online discourses. I felt hesitant about it, mainly because I felt as a non-native speaker, it would get incredibly challenging to articulate issues and themes well. But I get very serious about this motivation, especially since it fed me up that, whenever I tried to speak up or address those concerns on my social media, I immediately notice how quickly my posts get shadowbanned due to the nature of the algorithm that rather benefit posts around popular or funny things, popular people, or emotional negativity and destructive drama - because string feelings sells best. So I get why a lot of channels try to adapt this by either try to maintain a consistency of their popular content or explore a variety after some time. Once in a while many popular youtubers address similar concerns and why they are so reliant on sensational, clickbaity video titles and thumbnails, rather than trying to convey a representative message of the actual content and core statement of their videos, and it's honestly a shame since in the nature of mainstream and the developed systems (the "general human interest and appeal" for emotional things, drama etc). Humans are drawn to that kind of things, most of us socialize with each other over such topics, be it consciously and unconsciously, as mentioned here, like in form of commentary. So when we learn how to gain the most of that interaction, be it for social or economic benefits, we try to keep track of it. And that's probably why a lot of artists tend to jump on a drama bandwagon 'to stay relevant', or why popular people these days are always asked for their opinion on things like current dramas, even if they don't have any connection to it or not much knowledge about it, even if it's about a specific subject that may require some degree of insight to make a proper statement about it.
I fell off the art commentary channels hard simply because I real dislike how people pick and choose in the community who deserve forgiveness and who doesn’t and the blatant racism that some of the creators have show in the past make apologies and then blatant do something racist again. I seen countless poc TH-camrs in this community simply just leave or be bullied off the platform or told that the racism and harassment they receive as “milking it for view” instead of peoples taking what’s happening to them a serious.
I think the problem with the community is that it doesn't feel like it's about "commentary." It's less of an art commentary community and more of an art drama community. I'd really love to see the community focus more on gentle and compassionate criticism rather than a lot of the toxic "criticism" people have been putting out. So many of the major creators I have seen have been angry and spiteful about everyone, and while it's good to have a tight knit community, people have a big mob mentality issue. And when a community becomes more about cancel culture and petty vendictive hatred with a lot of toxic people, it will mainly draw in toxic people who are into that kind of stuff. The tone has gone sour, so newcomers can end up sour. And if you involve yourself in drama a lot, you become sour. I personally like your channel because it talks about general art and art trends rather than individuals, and I haven't seen you jump into the drama between those in the community. I honestly prefer parts of the community that focus on the mainstream culture and trends rather than individual/small creators. The community should focus more on that and analysing art, because after all, it's supposed to be a COMMENTARY community, not a drama/callout community.
In regards to inconsistent views unless you're ontop of a drama/viewers not being interested in anything else besides said drama, a problem arises that the creator then has to look for drama to keep said views flowing. Thus causing petty discourse that no one should've needed to make a video on, or just dragging out things as much as humanely possible, because it's not like drama is a very scheduled consistent occurring thing. The next drama could be a month from now or just a week; relying on a video topic that you will never know when'll happen just makes room for all sorts of issues. Either you have to be ontop of something after 24 hrs notice, or you have to sit around and wait and have to do something in the meantime
At the very least, the current version of the art commentary community is dying if not already dead. If it is reborn, it’ll eat itself yet again with the same head that is addicted to drama. It’s in the very nature of the Internet.
I think one of my favorite art commentary video you made this year was when you visited an art school and there was only a few minutes of art on the entire video. Yes it was commentary on art no there wasn't any speed painting I think that was art commentary
Omg yes please do talk about Yume Nikki someday, I love it so so so much it’s one of my favourite things ever!! But that aside I think this video is great, I think you’re right about your thoughts about the community and have a good understanding of it
We gamers do consider talking about stuff with gameplay in the background to be gaming chanels. Because ods are if you put gameplay in the background youre gona talk about it too sometime.
Personally, I love the A.C.C. (art commentary community), and I love my favorite creators who are part of it, but if I can be honest, I don't think I'd see myself as an art commentator because I don't have a good speaking voice. I'd like to call myself an art community spectator just watching from the sidelines and cheering for my favorite creators, lol. 😊💜 I'd like to second a different comment that said the A.C.C. is being reborn, and say I agree with them. 🙂
If any IDIOTS skipped the ad read, you missed an amazing cat pic and a good visual gag and you should be ashamed. As for the meat of things, I think the TH-cam art community is just too varied to work towards a common goal. Artists do a lot of different shit and have a lot of different views and there's no "community", just people with the same hobby.
Apologies in advanced If this seems a tad off topic (I hope it’s not-) but Honestly as someone who grew up mainly watching art TH-camrs like Jazza, baylee jea, lemiacrescent etc (ya know people who I guess technically count as art commentary but their content is wildly different from say what creepshow art used to make) and even considered making art videos once upon a time, watching art TH-cam’s jarring shift from for the most part pretty lax content to becoming a lot more drama focused feels like serious whiplash. Not to say that art content of that style no longer exists, I can still probably count on both hands how many art youtubers of that style still exist and are doing pretty damn well as far as I can tell, but it doesn’t change the fact that art TH-cam has been basically eaten up by the the good ol drama whale and art channels and videos that have a much heavier focus on drama/controversy tend to dwarf those said channels content cause well hate to say it but dramas got more of a broad appeal while more artsy or creative based topics are far more niche, so call me a pessimist but I don’t see it changing like…ever lol. Which is a shame but guess that’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes, I mean not to mention the fact I feel like more creative based communities on the internet in general are slowly dying too but I also know that take might be a bit of an overly pessimistic one lmao, guess one can hope one day things will improve for the better but suppose only time will tell huh? (Also sorry if my grammar here is at all off, hate to pull this card but I’m cursed with dyslexia and I’m sure the word art has lost all meaning now that I’ve finished this. Have a cookie, sorry I only have oatmeal and raisin.)
I was wondering when I was gonna find someone who hates the “artists should get a job” argument because I actually hate those kinds of stubborn people constantly complaining about being poor and whining about how hard it is to make money off a platform that hated the people who made it as soon as google took over. Look, you wanna make money, get a job, it’s as simple as that. Nowhere near to get one? Move. Go live with your parents or sell your house/apartment and live in cheap hotels until you’re stable enough to actually get somewhere in life. Too far to get a job or no way to get a physical one? Get a job online. You can’t just rely on the one thing infamously known as “starving artists struggling to get by” if you don’t actually get a job that can keep you afloat when asking people to spend like $200 on a jpeg isn’t gonna do much. Maybe if someone likes your art, but here’s the thing. *NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIKE YOUR ART ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT* You’re probably gonna get like 10% of people who come across your art interested enough to buy it, but then what are people gonna do with your art? Hang it up and look at it saying how pretty it is? I can get that you’re paying for the effort but not everyone is that person who buys and frames pictures, either because they don’t have enough hooks or they just really don’t care unless it’s a cool landscape picture with a nice aesthetic or something. Point is, not everyone is going to buy your art, which then makes it difficult to actually have a good income unless you make a patreon or something. If you really want money, be a janitor, work at a fast food restaurant, it’s like you’re complaining you can’t live your ideal life right off the bat. It takes a lot of hard work to make money and a lot of putting up with bad/annoying people just to make a solid income for yourself and making art isn’t a solid income, no matter how hard you push it. Why artists seem to be allergic to that idea is beyond me, you might even get good at it and find ways to save money for yourself in the process. Trying to live off art is like you set the money setting to the hardest difficulty, you’re really just punishing yourself to prove a point. Even if you get yelled at by your boss, it’s unfortunately just a way of life. Either learn to put up with it until you can slap your leave notice in their face or continue to struggle off of practically bread crumbs.
Okay but like people literally making fun of the person being cancelled (calling them a clown, dissing their art, and sometimes their pronouns/identity) while I understand calling out someone for what they did, simply clowning on them is unnecessary and doesn’t do any good
For me its the opposite. I dont really care about art stuff. I want to hear from YOU because I find it to be... relaxing. (Also YT is dead and wont give me anything interesting to watch so finding your chanel Ive just been watching all of your videos since my normal subscriptions are very high quality and produce one video like once 3 months.)
I never liked it to begin with. It's always people bitching at mondane shit like "uuuuh don't give me feedback! Uhhh this commissioner was weird! Uuuuuuuh this guy is gross! Uhuhuhuhuhu she stole my oc!"
Maybe the problem is that artists keep whining whenever anyone critiques their art or demand 2 compliments for every critique. You know the subject of the previous video.
Should not you guys critique society through your art and sh8t? Not literally ranting or quarreling on social media. How da f*ck it makes you different from any other toxic community? And please don't give me this "it is all in definitions of art, youtube channel is an art from" crap. Once you went down this road of terms deconstruction, there is no coming back and it is not an argument that can be won. Celestia, I am not meaning you, btw, you are an absolute delight and an outspoken brave person I could only aspire to be.
Not sure how I was supposed to be a part of a supposed community. I’ve just been drawing and shooting my mouth off in between making skits and reviews. All the in fighting I’ve been missing out on.
the art school video did interest me, but it's very long. the length of the video makes it a larger commitment of time to watch than your half hour videos, so I haven't finished it.
I just filter the cancel culture content, and watch only the interesting things. Although, since I actually upload stuff, it is useful to know how to avoid being a target of the general consensus. And it's in all of the internet, a part of the human condition. Humans just love to point fingers, watch others fall and join one camp of pointers or another. It's one big circus that repeat itself until we go extinct. I am new to art channels, joined in due to starting to upload my own content on youtube, and trying to see what other artists do. Allot of useful content, as well as an overview of the general community and occupation. You can never avoid the circus though. It's everywhere online.
I mean... children might be to blame for some of this, if one person throws out accusations every child will take that at face value and harass someone like there's no tomorrow because they think they're being helpful, meanwhile the video in question that led them to this conquest had little to no evidence whatsoever.
Please transition into passion projects like that. I'd love to see you talk about games like omori and would fully support you if you went down that path
Could you do a video talking about aging up characters?. like, there is an image of aged up Sage (from Sonic Frontiers) that i saw on twitter that i liked but i would like to know if i can like these type of arts (and also, i am not an artist but i want to know if it would it be okay for me to drawn these type of stuff just for fun and with no p3do intention if i endend up becoming an artist). i would link the tweet with the image but i already tried and youtube just deleted my comment.
@@triggerfairy4070 but at what point would you consider an aged up character to be sexualized? would giving the character a bigger bust size sexualizing them? and what about making them wear bold clothes? (damn youtube keeps deleting my comments)
@@vitoroliveira8658 On that note, when you get right down to it, isn't aging up a character, even for the purposes of lewding them, kind of the _opposite_ of...a certain paraphilia, we all know what I'm referring to but TH-cam doesn't like the word? Because, to me, that gives the impression that the artist would only find the character attractive as an adult.
@@hellspawnstudios That's actually a good response, i didn't think about it before. but people would still find ways to call me a pdo, like, even with the response that you gave me some people would say thigs like "this is just a excuse that pdo's use to justify their acts".
@@vitoroliveira8658 Oh, I'm _familiar_ with that line. I still can't wrap my head around the idea that someone can see a drawing that clearly depicts a grown adult and still see a child because I guess we're not allowed to apply the passage of time to fiction???? Make it make sense.
I think it could change for the better, but no one cares enough to put in the effort, and no one wants to be the one man out until people start joining them. They just want to casually cruise along and I can't 100% blame them, because constantly fighting against something like that is hard, even if it's something we need to do
I love how these commentarys try to stay proffesional to make their opinion sound better lmaooooo, (obviously ur opinion is valid though) In conclusion, the art community fucking sucks and we should stop taking the internet seriously
Eventhough your view is somewhat cynical, i do appreciate how you care about the end of drama. Hearing how drama-related content about art is most profitable makes me cynical about youtube and the internet/news in general. Perhaps it is in human nature to find negative information more engaging?
I would love to see you pick up content like Izzzyzzz to be honest, if that’s what you eventually want to do is say make the jump! I know a lot of us would support you in the change.
I used to want to join the art cc as a creator but the more time I spent on it as a viewer, the scarier it became, I think the huge focus on drama topics and cancelling others really taints the community and it's viewers :c
me too.
same here !
Same, I even went as far as to establish poses and wrote out part of a script, but when it hit this period, I just halted my progress
So as not to take away from our amazing commentator here I won't share my creator identity but I have observed for years all kinds of cancel culture and drama.
For my own channel, I do discuss topics that are controversial - but I heavily research any negative issues and only look at more broad things (like AI art issues).
My goal is more about educating people and raising awareness on certain issues than stirring the pot. I draw a line when it comes to naming individual names as I would never want to start a witch hunt on someone who might have had good intentions and didn't realize what they were doing. It happens too often with younger content creators and aspiring creators.
So I think as long as a commentator can stick to their own morals and ethics and figuratively put themselves in the shoes of others before passing judgement, it's not necessarily an inherently bad thing. It's important that they can own up to their mistakes when they are wrong and learn from them as well. There is a fine line to toe for sure.
On a less grim note, I'm looking forward to some videos I have planned that are more focused on art platforms and programs along with the pros and cons for each one. Tech and tools change all the time and there's always room for more fun and educational content, especially where nobody is getting hurt.
If you are healthy of mind go ahead. Nothing bad will happen so long as your mind does not brake under virtual pressure.
In my opinion the Art Cc isn't dying, but it's being reborn.
i feel like as the community grows up, we’re getting way more mature and realizing that old art commentary used to be pretty problematic
Which could either mean a fish becoming a dog or a fish becoming a flea
@@ccherry.berryy or a fish decomposing on some decrepid river bank somewhere.
I think the overuse of the word "problematic" is a big problem.
Perpetually blowing up in a giant bonfire, right? Reborn in the flames like a phoenix, except it is the flames of the latest scandal or flame war in this scenario, right...? XD
The art cc will never learn to be less problematic because it is a cycle. New people come in, talk about drama, get canceled, new people come in and replace them. It is not dyeing. It is the status quo.
This is the ENTIRE art community and why I stopped participating YEARS ago. Everything on DA was drama. Couldnt post on any social media platform without drama. I was afraid of getting attacked for referencing a pose from a known artist and having people say I "copied" when I would just want to get an idea on how to draw a dog laying on its back. I have pieces of art I have never posted because I was always afraid of "Getting in trouble" and spent many years not even using references because of these fears.
I was so angry with CreepShow Art I was angry that I was lied to by a art creator that I liked, anyone else feel like this?
Yeah.
I was mad for being lied to as well. I also felt guilty for supporting her. I still feel guilty that I ever supported her.
What's worse that back when Shannon/Creepshow was a "huge hit" you couldn't say anything that isn't positive because otherwise her fanbase started witch-hunting, at the same time when she was doing shady shit and bothering Emily. At least the reveal of her true colors stopped it
Honestly I almost left art youtube entirely after that.
The "Art Commentary" community isn't "continually dying", as you say; it's stagnant. "Art" encompasses more than just sketching, drawing, and painting: there's writing, graphic design, music, theater, sculpting - they are called "the arts" for a reason.
The "Art Commentary" community isn't varied enough, in my eyes. They don't engage in actual commentary on art like speculation on influences, pointing out mistakes or interpretation of individual pieces - you know, actual appreciation of the arts in all its forms; It's just opinion pieces and gossip over sketching and painting. (That is why I insist on using scare quotes when mentioning this niche.)
First step to get out of this slump is to stop calling this niche "Art Commentary", because almost no one does so. Just drama gossiping and rage-baiting. And seeing that you mentioned Shanon (Creepshow Art) I can say with certainty that she alone dealt a heavy blow to the niche with her specific brand of idiocy (and no, I'm not just referring to the whole Lolcow fiasco or at the stalking and backstabbing allegations).
Never forget how that one art "discourse" went viral on Twitter months ago when an artist got fed up with the algorithm game and made a drawing about how frustrated they were that their dedicated OC art that they put hours and days into was getting no reach or engagement while the "typical" popular stuff like nsfw or memes was getting more attention, and a good chunk of the artists in my bubble shit on them because people took it as a jealousy tirade or whatever.
While I'm doing nsfw (and memes occasionally) too, I could very well understand that sentiment about how unfair you feel treated after so much hard work that gets almost no attention just because the arbitrary algorithm placed it invisibly on the posting timeline or something, and I felt the backlash against them was pretty harsh and utterly mean.
I was especially confused by the fact that many popular or even small artists jumped on the bashing bandwagon as if it was about an issue they couldn't relate to. It was so disappointing to witness, and when you tried to put things back in perspective and defend the motivation behind their frustration, you quickly get roasted for it too.
Shortly after this incident, another artist made almost the exact same drawing about their frustration and how they got zero attention for their OC, while nsfw, memes, trends and such got much more audience than their art, and the viral ratio and reassurance from the art community was waaaay more positive. It was insane.
Among the retweeting and supporting accounts, I even recognized many of them who were just recently straight-up bullying the other artist for the exact same sentiment, and I couldn't believe how hypocritical that felt. At the same time, I keep wondering where all the supportive and encouraging people were around that time when the last drama happened.
It often feels like a parallel world paradox when drama happens on social media. Sometimes the articulation of a problem makes a big difference, but in this case I found both drawings and statements identical, whereupon the respective reactions could not be more different. And that is social media in a nutshell for me. I think we artists do ourselves no favors in the long run by shitting on our fellow artists for their genuine feelings of their creative work and passion.
I think it’s the parasocial relationships that form. People will assume that just people so,some is a ‘good’ artist means they’re a ‘good’ person, then immediately idolized and pedistalize them. Then when they discover that they’re a human being with wants, desires, thought, etc they’re suddenly a “bad role model”. They were never a role model, they were someone making art because it’s their passion.
Also, can someone PLEASE explain the outrage around tracing? I’m not talking about commissioned work, tracing and then calling it your own, I’m talking about tracing during studies and what not. Sometimes the only way to start to understand a form is to trace over it.
I took a naturalist studies class and tracing over certain species was the only way I was able to learn how to draw the different forms with correctly sized and placed anatomy. So out in the field, I would draw a generic fence lizard and then change the drawing to include whatever unique features the one I am looking at has. Another example, I rode horses for 10 years and it took me tons of tracing to finally figure out how to draw them correctly. It was on a severely tight deadline…I did a galloping horse for my final project for animation and I almost gave up, but tracing and practicing saved my video.
The Art CC and the CC shouldn’t bleed into each other anymore.
I really just think Art CC should just be About ART, ART HISTORY, ART tips, People talking about their stories they are creating through their ART and creativity. Not Drama between artists or Drama due to an Artist doing something stupid!
But that’s just my opinion, I personally am so tired of all this stvpid sh!t
"The failure to view those being cancelled as human beings who can be hurt deeply and irreversibly by the cruelty of those defining them by whatever controversy they're involved in" I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG. IT'S TRUE. It is a horrible thing for people to just turn you into a problem who's entire existence is comprised of being bad. These people except the people being cancelled to bow down to them and say "I don't deserve to think positively of myself. I am my mistakes and nothing more, and I _deserve_ for every other person to think that way about me." and expect for them to imply that in every apology they make (otherwise, the apology is terrible) It is fucking HARD to admit to have done something extremely wrong. Something *extremely* wrong, and not something that can be excused and have it be said you haven't done anything after all. I mean genuine, serious, wrongdoing. It makes your self esteem fall like hell. These commentary people and the people in their comment sections cannot see anything from the perspective of having done something wrong. And if they have anxiety about being abandoned by their friend/partner because they made their friend/partner mad, well that's just ironic.
TwistedDisaster made a good point about this a while back, that once it comes to not wanting people to have careers or social lives because of what they've done, you're basically just thinking they should die. If you're going to that extreme of a point to prevent them from having a life, then really do you think they should have one at all? Obviously in certain cases (such as people being caught for being genuine predators) it's understandable to want them to be locked up, but I think a lot of people don't think "Do I even think this person deserves to live" and at that point they should REALLY think over your values of how severe their mistakes or grievances truly are.
@@maryanntheconqueror By "little" I mean 9-10 years old lol (Am currently 14)
@@maryanntheconqueror Man, I remember Twisted Disaster's videos on scamming in the art community. I remember when they taught me what a YCH was. Honestly, their videos were really entertaining.
it also makes them look like 2d villains, and who doesn't like taking down a good villain?
@@42seven good point!
This is something I have said once to my mom and on tiktok
"Dont demonize the person, but demonize the actions and behaviour the person has done"
We should criticise the person but demonize the behaviour and actions they did as they should be held accountable and responsible for them. This involves racism, homophobia, etc, as said demonize the actions and behaviour as a whole, but criticise the person who did those acts for doing em in the first place. Its gonna be obvious that consequences will happen bigger or much more larger to possibly minor depending on what that person did wrong specifically.
DeviantArt 2012 : we let our user generated picture for people to admire
DeviantArt 2022: our AI steal all our user's picture, train on them and let other people admire the generated PIRATED ART from our user base
EXCELLENT !!!
*starts to write essay about youtube algorithm - home page issues- and how drama hooks people but ultimately people become numb to it or want different "flavors" of drama*
Okay but side note i absolutely love you going the Izzy's route i absolutely love your voice in the background and it makes ma happy when CC's talk about something they actually like instead of what drama is going on i kept up with other CC's who ended up taking that route like solar sands and Izzy!
Do you mean izzzyzzz or someone else?
Does solar sands really count as art commentary
@@cmtcomet That's the point. He used to be art commentary channel, but as with most big channels that become successful and found big following willing to listen to them talk about anything, he transitioned to just talking about whatever thing he is interested it. Even despite that, he still does often talk about art related stuff.
Reading other comments that seems to be the case. We are here for Celestia and not art.
@@cmtcomet Not if you ask me. Ive never considered him art comentary. Celestia is the first one I watch that I would consider art comentary.
17:40 THANK YOU! I’ve seen so many people asking “if you’re talking about AI taking your job, why do you wanna make art your job?” every time I talk about why AI art is really trashy. Maybe it’s because I’m good at it and I put time into it! Who would have thought? It’s like looking at the worlds best architect and asking why they don’t do architecture as a hobby.
Also yes I would stan celestia doing izzzyzzz content
This is a plague across all social media. Been thinking about it a lot lately because no matter how many words I mute on Twitter, the drama still finds me, and I feel like I'm drowning in fake outrage I want nothing to do with. How do so many people have nothing better to do? Make art not drama, imo.
Better to be a cranky grandpa than someone who can only feel worth by stirring up drama. I've enjoyed your measured view on topics. It's refreshing compared to, well, this topic. Deep dives sound fun and I hope you get the chance to do it sooner rather than later.
I don’t think anyone is unaware of the harm their dramatic call out clone videos cause, they just don’t care because it gets them views.
I think you nailed it! I was thinking the same thing before I watched the video.
Side note: the content you want to make sounds RIGHT up my alley! I hope you get to make those videos someday!
I love the videos you make where you critique the community as a whole, I feel like it helps keep it more positive and help change the community for the better. I hope more people are willing to listen to this advice.
fwiw, I listen to all of your commentaries whether it's a topic I have any connection to or not. I always appreciate how well thought out your perspective is. The Art CC might just be going through a transitional phase. One thing I think might start getting more traction as a topic is what's going on with the media platforms artists have to use to reach their audiences as those platforms continue to be more unstable and less optimal as time goes on and corporate meddling continues to be hostile to creators. A lot of the art community is facing the dilemma of "Can I even continue to pursue art as a career this way? If I finally find success on a platform today, will the rug get pulled out from under me tomorrow?"
as I always like to say: "people love to hate".
It is very unfortunate but will sadly always happen. Such drama has always existed but were intensified with the broad range and accessability provided by the internet.
i try to avoid all the drama and cancel culture in the art community, its one plus being a small channel, i go under the radar of all that crap, and even if somehow drama found me, im too old to deal with it, nor do i have the patience to deal with internet drama, its not 'real' life issues. I post art but Im not always talking about the art, sometimes its just random ramblings about life. im probably another nihilistic asshole or a cynic, yeah probably a cynic over all the drama
I can feel you on the whole my fandom is dying thing where I know alot of bad stuff happens but I still love it part, currently in a fandom ive been in for 3 years and its dying aswell, the feeling sucks, your not alone on that :(
I would totally listen to you talk about we happy few, it's SUCH an underrated game (with its fair share of flaws) the aesthetic is SO GOOD and the lore! The fandom is so small and I'm always happy when I see some actual content related to it (Entertaining/good contet as well!)
Also, if you're specifically aiming to make this channel specifically art related in some way, you could, maybe, make a second one related to games and stuff, then you won't have to worry if this one will lose its following by adding different content (just a thought)
Dude tbh if u did the Izzyzz route commentary I'd totally watch! I love long form deep dives/rambles into content, especially content I didn't/couldn't engage with in the past. I get to learn what the nostalgia &/or hype was all about. And you're nice to listen to, I like your voice & intricate takes on stuff
I really like your well thought-out, nuanced takes; most of all, how you are able to put them in such a concise manner!
I loved the points you made here, as a sort of 3D artist myself it was interesting to hear what's going on in the 2D art community. I don't think 3D artists usually have situations like these, in regards to drama or controversies.
by the way, big respect to you for mentioning Corpse Party! It's been dead forever, and I eat up anything pertaining to it these days.
As someone who loves deep dive videos idk what to call it i will 100% support these videos if you decide to change your content.
I'm so here for a We Happy Few deep-dive! If that ever gets made, I'm definitely clicking on it as soon as it comes into my feed.
We live in an attention economy and the easiest way to garner attention is drama, path of least resistance. But the quantity of that traffic doesn’t necessarily translate to quality.
Many fields are capitalizing on drama for traffic, though not necessarily participating in any drama themselves. Since lockdowns we’ve seen huge growth in lawyers, doctors, psychologists, etc giving their professional takes on popular news.
Artist communities on the other hand lack a certain level of professionalism because it doesn’t take much for one to present themselves as an artist. And when that fails due to perhaps a lack of skill or experience they may lean on drama unrelated to their supposed skill.
just wanna let you know that I'd happily sit through a three hour commentary of you talking about omori bc I love that game more than anything.
also, I just really enjoy hearing you talk, your topics and voice are so calming and entertaining to me :]
To be honest, to not exactly know what you are going to talk about on the next video has been a great element of surprise. I like it and am eager to see what it is this week and the next and so on. And if you want to make video essays in the future, let's go! I love long videos and many others do too. Anything you are excited about or like, will be interesting to listen to. I would love to see you upload an essay with a speedpaint or a draw along kind of video to go along with the essay. I do understand tho, that it's not that simple to "just try it and see if it works". It takes time to draw, edit, record and script, and it is understandable if you want to wait a bit for this kind of content.
Hey Celestia I don't know if you take criticism but well this is rather a tip than actual critique. In a video u once said that you are unhappy whit the way you draw faces and while I don't think you would need to change anything about the way u draw them maybe this is interesting to hear: Your hair and your clothes are always really detailed and ur eyes are rather drawn simple. I feel like adding a bit more smaller eyelashes or highlights could look really cute but ofc I still love ur style as it is and you don't need to change a single thing. Anyways love ur vids keep up the great work!!!
I'll defintely listen to whatever video you put out, something art related or not!
PLEASE DO TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU LOVE! I watch your channel for you, whether the topic is relevant to what I like. Normally, you make it interesting enough to listen to. I know you may not probably see this, but if you do, PLEASE I BEG OF YOU IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME. Especially something about Omori lol
I would support you no matter what kind of content you make. In fact, I would love to watch deep dive videos by you even more than this kind.
The art commentary community is in that stage of a phoenix's lifespan where it is about to die, but as you know, it will end up being reborn. It can die, but it cannot stay dead
i think as we've seen with the iceberg meme videos trend and the growth of video essay channels, there is a pretty large amount of people who want to watch long videos that explore a particular topic in depth. to take the "izzzyzzz route" as you called it, lol. (i love their videos in particular, i literally get excited whenever i see a new upload from them).
but anyway i think more art commentary channels will see the video essay/deep dive format as a way to get consistent viewership from video to video that doesn't require them resorting to witch-hunting fellow artists for views.
for what it's worth, i really wanna see your three-hour deep dive into omori LOL
I would love you to do commentary style videos! I religiously watch Izzyzzz's videos, and it would be really cool to see you do some!
Do what makes you happy celestia, do the kind of videos you like - I'll definitely watch it because watching people talk about/do what they love>>>>
My urge for making an art related channel revolving mental health and social media topics grew over the last few years with the growing issues around that career and all the online discourses. I felt hesitant about it, mainly because I felt as a non-native speaker, it would get incredibly challenging to articulate issues and themes well. But I get very serious about this motivation, especially since it fed me up that, whenever I tried to speak up or address those concerns on my social media, I immediately notice how quickly my posts get shadowbanned due to the nature of the algorithm that rather benefit posts around popular or funny things, popular people, or emotional negativity and destructive drama - because string feelings sells best.
So I get why a lot of channels try to adapt this by either try to maintain a consistency of their popular content or explore a variety after some time. Once in a while many popular youtubers address similar concerns and why they are so reliant on sensational, clickbaity video titles and thumbnails, rather than trying to convey a representative message of the actual content and core statement of their videos, and it's honestly a shame since in the nature of mainstream and the developed systems (the "general human interest and appeal" for emotional things, drama etc).
Humans are drawn to that kind of things, most of us socialize with each other over such topics, be it consciously and unconsciously, as mentioned here, like in form of commentary. So when we learn how to gain the most of that interaction, be it for social or economic benefits, we try to keep track of it. And that's probably why a lot of artists tend to jump on a drama bandwagon 'to stay relevant', or why popular people these days are always asked for their opinion on things like current dramas, even if they don't have any connection to it or not much knowledge about it, even if it's about a specific subject that may require some degree of insight to make a proper statement about it.
Whenever someone says "You shouldn't be in it for the money!!" I always say, in a perfect world, I wouldn't have to be
I'd love to listen to you talk about the games you listed!! I'm excited about that possibility =)
I have been waiting for you to make a video. Thanks for all the hard work your channel inspires me every time
Never change, lovely. ❤❤
I don’t think that the art community is dying, but I do believe that it’s growing through a bit change.
I fell off the art commentary channels hard simply because I real dislike how people pick and choose in the community who deserve forgiveness and who doesn’t and the blatant racism that some of the creators have show in the past make apologies and then blatant do something racist again. I seen countless poc TH-camrs in this community simply just leave or be bullied off the platform or told that the racism and harassment they receive as “milking it for view” instead of peoples taking what’s happening to them a serious.
I think the problem with the community is that it doesn't feel like it's about "commentary." It's less of an art commentary community and more of an art drama community. I'd really love to see the community focus more on gentle and compassionate criticism rather than a lot of the toxic "criticism" people have been putting out. So many of the major creators I have seen have been angry and spiteful about everyone, and while it's good to have a tight knit community, people have a big mob mentality issue. And when a community becomes more about cancel culture and petty vendictive hatred with a lot of toxic people, it will mainly draw in toxic people who are into that kind of stuff. The tone has gone sour, so newcomers can end up sour. And if you involve yourself in drama a lot, you become sour.
I personally like your channel because it talks about general art and art trends rather than individuals, and I haven't seen you jump into the drama between those in the community. I honestly prefer parts of the community that focus on the mainstream culture and trends rather than individual/small creators. The community should focus more on that and analysing art, because after all, it's supposed to be a COMMENTARY community, not a drama/callout community.
In regards to inconsistent views unless you're ontop of a drama/viewers not being interested in anything else besides said drama, a problem arises that the creator then has to look for drama to keep said views flowing. Thus causing petty discourse that no one should've needed to make a video on, or just dragging out things as much as humanely possible, because it's not like drama is a very scheduled consistent occurring thing. The next drama could be a month from now or just a week; relying on a video topic that you will never know when'll happen just makes room for all sorts of issues. Either you have to be ontop of something after 24 hrs notice, or you have to sit around and wait and have to do something in the meantime
Holy, 1 minute ago? Very excited for this video :o
At the very least, the current version of the art commentary community is dying if not already dead.
If it is reborn, it’ll eat itself yet again with the same head that is addicted to drama. It’s in the very nature of the Internet.
I think one of my favorite art commentary video you made this year was when you visited an art school and there was only a few minutes of art on the entire video. Yes it was commentary on art no there wasn't any speed painting I think that was art commentary
i really hope you can make the content shift you want to!!
Omg yes please do talk about Yume Nikki someday, I love it so so so much it’s one of my favourite things ever!! But that aside I think this video is great, I think you’re right about your thoughts about the community and have a good understanding of it
We gamers do consider talking about stuff with gameplay in the background to be gaming chanels. Because ods are if you put gameplay in the background youre gona talk about it too sometime.
OHHHH Video essays from you would be amazing! Don't be afraid to try atleast one video :D
Personally, I love the A.C.C. (art commentary community), and I love my favorite creators who are part of it, but if I can be honest, I don't think I'd see myself as an art commentator because I don't have a good speaking voice.
I'd like to call myself an art community spectator just watching from the sidelines and cheering for my favorite creators, lol. 😊💜
I'd like to second a different comment that said the A.C.C. is being reborn, and say I agree with them. 🙂
If any IDIOTS skipped the ad read, you missed an amazing cat pic and a good visual gag and you should be ashamed.
As for the meat of things, I think the TH-cam art community is just too varied to work towards a common goal. Artists do a lot of different shit and have a lot of different views and there's no "community", just people with the same hobby.
This kind of thing is perfectly mirrored within the music community. It's just a general artist thing, I suppose.
Apologies in advanced If this seems a tad off topic (I hope it’s not-) but Honestly as someone who grew up mainly watching art TH-camrs like Jazza, baylee jea, lemiacrescent etc (ya know people who I guess technically count as art commentary but their content is wildly different from say what creepshow art used to make) and even considered making art videos once upon a time, watching art TH-cam’s jarring shift from for the most part pretty lax content to becoming a lot more drama focused feels like serious whiplash. Not to say that art content of that style no longer exists, I can still probably count on both hands how many art youtubers of that style still exist and are doing pretty damn well as far as I can tell, but it doesn’t change the fact that art TH-cam has been basically eaten up by the the good ol drama whale and art channels and videos that have a much heavier focus on drama/controversy tend to dwarf those said channels content cause well hate to say it but dramas got more of a broad appeal while more artsy or creative based topics are far more niche, so call me a pessimist but I don’t see it changing like…ever lol.
Which is a shame but guess that’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes, I mean not to mention the fact I feel like more creative based communities on the internet in general are slowly dying too but I also know that take might be a bit of an overly pessimistic one lmao, guess one can hope one day things will improve for the better but suppose only time will tell huh? (Also sorry if my grammar here is at all off, hate to pull this card but I’m cursed with dyslexia and I’m sure the word art has lost all meaning now that I’ve finished this. Have a cookie, sorry I only have oatmeal and raisin.)
Sometimes it is nice to have less than a dozen subscribers and I can speak freely about whatever vanity thing is on my mind at any given time.
I was wondering when I was gonna find someone who hates the “artists should get a job” argument because I actually hate those kinds of stubborn people constantly complaining about being poor and whining about how hard it is to make money off a platform that hated the people who made it as soon as google took over.
Look, you wanna make money, get a job, it’s as simple as that. Nowhere near to get one? Move. Go live with your parents or sell your house/apartment and live in cheap hotels until you’re stable enough to actually get somewhere in life. Too far to get a job or no way to get a physical one? Get a job online. You can’t just rely on the one thing infamously known as “starving artists struggling to get by” if you don’t actually get a job that can keep you afloat when asking people to spend like $200 on a jpeg isn’t gonna do much. Maybe if someone likes your art, but here’s the thing.
*NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIKE YOUR ART ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT*
You’re probably gonna get like 10% of people who come across your art interested enough to buy it, but then what are people gonna do with your art? Hang it up and look at it saying how pretty it is? I can get that you’re paying for the effort but not everyone is that person who buys and frames pictures, either because they don’t have enough hooks or they just really don’t care unless it’s a cool landscape picture with a nice aesthetic or something.
Point is, not everyone is going to buy your art, which then makes it difficult to actually have a good income unless you make a patreon or something. If you really want money, be a janitor, work at a fast food restaurant, it’s like you’re complaining you can’t live your ideal life right off the bat. It takes a lot of hard work to make money and a lot of putting up with bad/annoying people just to make a solid income for yourself and making art isn’t a solid income, no matter how hard you push it. Why artists seem to be allergic to that idea is beyond me, you might even get good at it and find ways to save money for yourself in the process.
Trying to live off art is like you set the money setting to the hardest difficulty, you’re really just punishing yourself to prove a point. Even if you get yelled at by your boss, it’s unfortunately just a way of life. Either learn to put up with it until you can slap your leave notice in their face or continue to struggle off of practically bread crumbs.
Okay but like people literally making fun of the person being cancelled (calling them a clown, dissing their art, and sometimes their pronouns/identity) while I understand calling out someone for what they did, simply clowning on them is unnecessary and doesn’t do any good
Can you talk about the cookie run art community it's really getting out of hand and I'll like to see your view on it/nf
1:54 love how its 2000 (assuming USD) for a cat photo
For me its the opposite. I dont really care about art stuff. I want to hear from YOU because I find it to be... relaxing. (Also YT is dead and wont give me anything interesting to watch so finding your chanel Ive just been watching all of your videos since my normal subscriptions are very high quality and produce one video like once 3 months.)
I never liked it to begin with. It's always people bitching at mondane shit like "uuuuh don't give me feedback! Uhhh this commissioner was weird! Uuuuuuuh this guy is gross! Uhuhuhuhuhu she stole my oc!"
It's not mondane to expose pedos, abxsers and rxpist tho..
Good topic, good words.
21:29 OMORIIIIIIIIIIIIII
"Why do we continue to allow this to happen?" A question as old as language
Maybe the problem is that artists keep whining whenever anyone critiques their art or demand 2 compliments for every critique. You know the subject of the previous video.
Should not you guys critique society through your art and sh8t? Not literally ranting or quarreling on social media. How da f*ck it makes you different from any other toxic community?
And please don't give me this "it is all in definitions of art, youtube channel is an art from" crap. Once you went down this road of terms deconstruction, there is no coming back and it is not an argument that can be won.
Celestia, I am not meaning you, btw, you are an absolute delight and an outspoken brave person I could only aspire to be.
Not sure how I was supposed to be a part of a supposed community. I’ve just been drawing and shooting my mouth off in between making skits and reviews. All the in fighting I’ve been missing out on.
I'd watch a video from you about Omori. At least, assuming it didn't get age-restricted. I wouldn't be able to watch it in that case.
This video could have just as easily (and truthfully) been called "How And Why Humans Continue To Suck."
the art school video did interest me, but it's very long. the length of the video makes it a larger commitment of time to watch than your half hour videos, so I haven't finished it.
Wow you are thinking like I am thinking. Also the community needs a Stories-like heel again.
whats a stories like heel just wondering Mr nice stories
What did I get myself into?... (I'm not talking about the video but the art community.)
If you started making videos about Omori I'd support you all the way
1:57 lmaooo I love the description u put on the image of your cat
I would personally love to buy that picture of your cat for $2000
We live in a community 🤡
I just filter the cancel culture content, and watch only the interesting things.
Although, since I actually upload stuff, it is useful to know how to avoid being a target of the general consensus.
And it's in all of the internet, a part of the human condition.
Humans just love to point fingers, watch others fall and join one camp of pointers or another.
It's one big circus that repeat itself until we go extinct.
I am new to art channels, joined in due to starting to upload my own content on youtube, and trying to see what other artists do.
Allot of useful content, as well as an overview of the general community and occupation.
You can never avoid the circus though.
It's everywhere online.
I mean... children might be to blame for some of this, if one person throws out accusations every child will take that at face value and harass someone like there's no tomorrow because they think they're being helpful, meanwhile the video in question that led them to this conquest had little to no evidence whatsoever.
There's too much infighting Imo as someone who has been lurking for a long time.
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Please transition into passion projects like that. I'd love to see you talk about games like omori and would fully support you if you went down that path
nice video 👍
its simple a power move, like what happend with peach
Could you do a video talking about aging up characters?. like, there is an image of aged up Sage (from Sonic Frontiers) that i saw on twitter that i liked but i would like to know if i can like these type of arts (and also, i am not an artist but i want to know if it would it be okay for me to drawn these type of stuff just for fun and with no p3do intention if i endend up becoming an artist). i would link the tweet with the image but i already tried and youtube just deleted my comment.
If youre not sexualizing it, why be bother by it?
@@triggerfairy4070 but at what point would you consider an aged up character to be sexualized? would giving the character a bigger bust size sexualizing them? and what about making them wear bold clothes? (damn youtube keeps deleting my comments)
@@vitoroliveira8658 On that note, when you get right down to it, isn't aging up a character, even for the purposes of lewding them, kind of the _opposite_ of...a certain paraphilia, we all know what I'm referring to but TH-cam doesn't like the word? Because, to me, that gives the impression that the artist would only find the character attractive as an adult.
@@hellspawnstudios That's actually a good response, i didn't think about it before. but people would still find ways to call me a pdo, like, even with the response that you gave me some people would say thigs like "this is just a excuse that pdo's use to justify their acts".
@@vitoroliveira8658 Oh, I'm _familiar_ with that line. I still can't wrap my head around the idea that someone can see a drawing that clearly depicts a grown adult and still see a child because I guess we're not allowed to apply the passage of time to fiction???? Make it make sense.
I think it could change for the better, but no one cares enough to put in the effort, and no one wants to be the one man out until people start joining them. They just want to casually cruise along and I can't 100% blame them, because constantly fighting against something like that is hard, even if it's something we need to do
Imagine the Art CC if people like Ghostexe or Thenamesjunkie just kept uploading content, especially ghostexe I miss their content so much :(
I love how these commentarys try to stay proffesional to make their opinion sound better lmaooooo, (obviously ur opinion is valid though)
In conclusion, the art community fucking sucks and we should stop taking the internet seriously
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Eventhough your view is somewhat cynical, i do appreciate how you care about the end of drama.
Hearing how drama-related content about art is most profitable makes me cynical about youtube and the internet/news in general. Perhaps it is in human nature to find negative information more engaging?
what is art commentary?
Drama channels where the youtuber speaks over a speedpaint they made. A lot of the time they talk about art related drama, but not always.
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I would love to see you pick up content like Izzzyzzz to be honest, if that’s what you eventually want to do is say make the jump! I know a lot of us would support you in the change.