MAGA Christians think Jesus is "weak," says guy who led them there
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- Russell Moore, a former leader in the Southern Baptist Convention and currently the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, recently said the teachings of Jesus are not being embraced by conservative Christians who often see them as “weak.”
But Moore is part of the problem.
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Fun fact: the southern Baptist convention broke away from mainstream baptists because they supported slavery and opposed abolition! They’ve always been terrible
Correctamundo.
3000 Christian denominations and counting. No consensus found when the premise is false.
@@ShikataGaNai100Aussies don't need a translation!
@@mort8143 But that's unpossible! In John 17:20-23 Jesus prayed (um, to himself since Trinity, I guess) that everyone would be unified. Man, I bet Jesus had some stern words with himself when he didn't answer his prayer.
@@mort8143logic checks out ✅
Imagine Christians giving up Jesus for Trump. The mind boggles.
I don't have to imagine it. It's part of reality.
Why??.....Mithra was kicked to the curb to make room for Jesus.
@@ToxicAudri I don't think I like how this new era of "gods" are constructing the world...
@@FunKayyy I've been saying I want off this ride for ages now. Way before Trump.
That would mean Trump is the AntiChrist from a Christian perspective. Oh, the irony
It bothers me to no end that everyone wants to blame Trump for how Evangelicals turned to the dark side. They've always been this way. Trump is just the one that let them be their worst selves in public.
I agree. The MAGA movement was already there, Trump just came along at the right moment and gave it someone to crystallise around.
Yep. Trump sure did rip the masks off a lot of people....
Literally, the only difference between the MAGA Evangelicals then and, say, the Evangelicals of the Dubya era... is the fact the MAGA Evangelicals have just gone full mask-off with the hatred and bigotry. The reason they love Trump is because Trump gave them permission to be their worst selves and to no longer have to hide behind an insincere mask of civility.
Preach.
Trump made a deal with them to get the evangelical vote. Someday soon he is going to regret it.
I'm quite a bit older than you, and when the people around me voiced their surprise at the hypocrisy shown by the religious right by supporting Trump, I wasn't surprised. The political behavior of the religious right hasn't changed since the 1980's. When faced with the choice of the most devoted Christian to hold the office of President in my lifetime, and a candidate barely able to present a religious belief, they put all their weight behind Ronald Reagan. They don't care about religion, they care about power and control, and maintaining Christianity's favored status in the country.
Great observation
Well said.
Alas, this is unsurprising, when one considers that, at core, organized religion is primarily a schema for social control -- enough said.
Absofreakinlutely
Good golly me jimany crickets the moral majority wanted to put all the gays in concentration camps because AIDS.
I remember seeing Ron Paul, during a GOP candidate debate, back in 2012, being booed to the rafters by Republicans for suggesting that the US should consider Jesus's "Golden Rule" of "doing unto others as you would have them do unto you".
This contempt for the teachings of the religion they claim to follow is nothing new.
I remember that too. They also booed a marine who came out as gay
@@GreatDayEveryonesupport the troops but only if they're cool and not asking for therapy
DONT WORRY, RAND PAUL WILL SEND ANY ONE DOWN THE SEWER TO BENEFIT HIMSELF OR TRUMP!!
The turning point in my young life was embracing my atheism, and realizing that all the questions about my neighbors and their religion could be answered by the non-existance of God. They had no foundation in reality, and they were driving themselves crazy.
Watch out! A wild Christian might appear under your comment and say "Well, what if it leads you to hell?" No joke - that happened to me yesterday on another of Hemant's videos. I swear, religious people consume more atheist content than atheists!
Yes, I came to a very similar conclusion in my youth. I will say though, that the increasing insanity we're seeing now is not connected to their religion, but is the result of the increasingly exploitative and alienating nature of capitalism. They can feel the prospects for a bright future slipping away, as we all can. They are just terrified of the idea of systemic change, and so they look for some out-group to blame.
Do you mind if I ask how the behavior of bad people actually provides you with irrefutable evidence to a lack of God's existence? These people follow a subversion of Christ, which has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or God and places The Holy Roman Empire at the center of the faith and those at the head of the state in the position of it's leaders.
For those, it never been about Jesus. Is been about superiority, and dangling this sense "higher morality" over others. Not like those morals they hold dear worth a thing.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
As an old school Missouri Synod Lutheran in my youth, I was disgusted by the rise of Evangelism enough to abandon the overall Christianity.
Not abandon the philosophy of the Bible, just any other "believers."
I am very much an agnostic who prefers atheists over Christianity at this point.
Because many atheists are much more adhering to Jesus's teachings than any Christian, just on general moral and ethical terms independent of any religion.
I generally prefer people to do good for good's sake, and not for celestial brownie points.
Also former old-school LCMS.
That church drilled some self hating ideas that almost caused me to kms.
@@gayasparagusGlad you didn't!
If it’s only religion (ie the fear of eternal retribution) that keeps people from going around stealing, killing and r*aping, they aren’t good people, are they?
It looks like atheists are better Christians than Christians.
My grandmother was Missouri synod Lutheran (my mom converted to Catholicism; I am atheist). I sometimes went to Sunday school at my grandma’s church. It was nice but there was an undercurrent of darkness that probably started haunting my grandmother after she divorced in 1949, before my mother was a year old. She never remarried, and she seemed to feel the need to atone the rest of her life, even after raising my mom and aunt alone, with no financial assistance from anyone anywhere ever. Scandinavian dark.
Caring is considered so 'weak' amongst the right, that christians can now be ok turning their backs on their saviour.
Whoever gave the sermon to the people who feared that God had forsaken them, then said something like "Nay! You hath forsaken Him!" probably had these people who turned Evangelica into a political machine in mind. Encouraging more hostility towards one-another has thusly sealed the MAGA movement's fate.
Worth checking out Moore’s 2006 essay, “After Patriarchy, What?”, in which he calls for “authentic biblical patriarchy” and bemoans the fact that, even in conservative households, decisions are made “through a process of negotiation, mutual submission, and consensus” rather than by the exercise of authority by the paterfamilias. This is precisely the kind of macho patriarchal rhetoric that helped prime evangelicals for Trump
Just imagine women and mothers having some input into decisions about their lives and their children's lives. How terrible! Next, "they" will be saying women are people!
Conservatives believe in a hierarchy, god followed by rich white american men. Men better than women, adults better than children, whites better than blacks, rich better than poor, americans better than other nationalities. They believe in dominance and obedience. They prove they are good people by being obedient. So you end up with eternal immature people who don't think or accept responsibility for themselves. There is no respect for anyone's rights, it's all do as you're told or be punished. Fear. All about fear. They worship the wealthy because they believe that they're god's favorites. They punish the poor/needy because they believe god is punishing them. Reading the gospels would cure them of this delusion but they won't read it, they depend on those above them in their hierarchy to tell them what it all means. The underlying difference between conservative and liberal is this whole belief system about how society is and should be.
They adore their sense of persecution, it’s quite tedious.
Christianity is by nature a religion of persecution. It was born out of apocalyptic judaism, such as in the book of daniel, which was written during the persecution and martyrdom under antiochus the fourth.
Indubitably. ;)
It's written deep into the religion. "Christ suffered on the cross for your sins. Look the Romans did to him.". Early Christian martyrs. Catholic guilt.
It's a masochistic torture cult turned into a powerful religious institution.
Prior to the 1960s, the Southern Baptists were the most progressive denomination in America. During the 60s and 70s, a cadre of extremist right wing millionaires began investing enormous amounts of their money in swaying various American institutions to the right. Both the Southern Baptists and the NRA were targetted by that push, and it was extremely successful.
The state of modern America is largely the result of a half dozen extremely wealthy men putting their wallets on the scales of democracy.
So... capitalism.
@@SeanStrife Metastasized capitalism, yes.
It all goes back to Jerry Falwell, a know racist and segregationist who formed the moral majority with 4 major issues: anti abortion, small government, low taxes, and states rights working with the Nixon southern strategy of turning Dixiecrats into republicans. Up until that point, the SBC and Billy Graham were ok with abortion in the first 6 months as Jews, Muslims and other Christian groups. They also believed that the life of the mother comes before that of the fetus. Check out their 1968 writings which are more accepting that most abortions came from poverty.
Since the 70s and the materialist authoritarian Calvinist background brought by the Ulster Irish and lowland Scots and puritan calvinists who came here, who hated any religion that was not their own, we have this narrow minded religious, white dominated viewpoint. Instead of loving people and taking care of the poor etc, American Christianity has become consumed by church as a business. Much like Europe, it cannot continue on this path and expect to exist without reforming itself.
I left ALL forms of Christianity because I saw the turning from Jesus ' words yet turn to Moses for most of their judgements. 😢
Exactly. Rebels are growing because of these "forms", ironically.
And Paul. Don’t forget Paul
I left all forms of Christianity due to the 2016 election. That was the year they showed me who they were. I’m a gay man and I’d never ever vote against my own interests. The republicans have zero tolerance and kindness for people like me. Ever since then, I’ve grown even more hateful towards them. I’ve even left the democratic party because of their lies and ineptitude. They’re feckless and cowardly. I’m extremely hard left. Also, don’t mind my username lol. I just named it that to troll the religious creatures.
You were supposed to have been following Christ.
@@WorshipperOfLife I have great reverence for him, but even as a child, no matter which church I ever attended there were extremely few real Christians. I also know the Bible as we know it was written after decades and at times centuries later. So I declare Christianity, not Jesus, not Christian.
Jesus never once mentions homosexuality or abortion, but he repeatedly mocks the religious elites and literalists of his time. Matthew 23 is a full chapter of it. Change "scribes and pharisees" to "evangelicals" and it fairly fits.
"I find it strange that the last place I can really quote Jesus these days is in American churches. They don't want to hear 'overcome evil with good.' They don't want to hear 'those who live by the sword die by the sword.' They don't want to hear 'if your enemy hurts you, do good, feed, clothe, minister to him.' They don't want to hear 'blessed are the merciful.' They don't want to hear 'love your enemies.'" -- Tony Campolo
When I give food to the Poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. - Dom Heldar Camara
Always loved Tony Campolo, a straight shooting Philly guy, one of my favorites is “it’s Friday, but Sundays acoming” a white Italian preaching like a Black preacher. Loads of fun and he always made his point in his lectures.
This story fascinates me so much cause I'm reminded of the "what would Jesus do" and "Jesus is just like us" then polls that compared how close to Jesus teachings, with atheist being closer than most Christians.
And now they're abandoning Jesus won't that hollow out the faithful and leave the power hungry with a smaller flock
Oh give it some time and we'll see it backfire on them. I'm gonna sit back and laugh until my stomach hurts and tears are in my eyes.🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
You gotta look up the video "GOP Jesus" made in like, 2014. Holy shit. No pun intended.
That's why they dropped "what would Jesus do" in favor of "not of this world"
Someone commented recently that a great many Christians did not agree with far right evangelicals. I asked where were the pastors speaking out against them from their pulpits
I got no reply.
The truth is they are all one of a kind, sticking together is better than disagreeing in order to improve.
My former pastor spoke out; the old crotchety white people got her kicked out (an amazing, vociferous black woman). My current pastor, an immigrant from South Korea, has taken up her mantle. We're driving out the old crotchety white folks one by one, as the real hold-outs die-off from old age. But the heartbreak and pain of getting here fucking sucks. Oh well. No pain, no gain. Bring 'em all on. Oh yeah, I'm a Methodist; in Tempe, AZ.
We are real. Cheers!
What about reverend Ed Trevors?
@@tneil.4292unfortunately for us, but _extremely_ fortunate for him, he's in Halifax, so...
@@tneil.4292congratulations, you found one of the few exceptions to the rule LOL
Your exceptionalism is showing. You mean AMERICAN Christians. Worldwide, do you honestly think Christianity is all MAGA all the time...? Sheesh. (Not to say way too many Christians even outside the Unhinged States don't think like that, because indeed too many do, but certainly not all!)
This shows that Separation of Church and State is actually good for the Church. Religious think that they can influence political scene of their country without them being influenced in turn because they are "protected by their god".
But Power corrupts and attracts those easilly corruptible. This is why always in the past, theocratic political-movements have begun twisting until political power in itself becomes more important than what they want to use that power for.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363you came to the wrong place
@@NauerBauer You are worth it
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Christian's gave up Jesus for Paul, long before they gave him up for Trump. My first church memory, as a child, was being told that I would be happy other people went to hell, that was during Reagan. The last time I went to my grandma's church, they where selling magic prayer blankets from Israel. The person selling them, was familiar to me from my childhood, and she had turned into a cartoonish mockery of herself.
That sounds tragic and vaguely terrifying in equal measure. But yes, Trump only made this garbage fashionable...
Friendly Atheist, Hemant, that's the problem with religion, it still causes , even in milder form , damage! The milder form just shields the extremists. Thankyou for showing that in this!👍💖💙🥰✌
Where da fu*k those extremists at?? Point me at 'em! Grrrrrr! They're everywhere, I know. Look friend, I only got two hands. I can only get, like, two starfish back in the ocean at a time, ok? It's not hopeless or pointless, it's just slow. Sorry. I can believe, and still be rational. Can't remember if it was Aristotle or Socrates, but of them pointed out: "Wisdom is the ability to hold two opposing ideas equally at the same time." Cheers!
Good thing I'm an atheist, so I don't have to be hypocrite to claim Jesus was weak.
Amen, brother.
Yep. Always have been. Freedom incomprehensible to arm wavers.
All atheists think Jesus is weak.
@@WorshipperOfLife
He's mythical, you can't get any weaker than that.
@@WorshipperOfLifeNo, they think believers are weak.
I am sure Moore is also quite comfortable telling his flock who to vote for.
Would, but of course doesn't even need to...
Why ultra conservative feel Jesus and the bible no longer apply to the the "religion" they created.
Was there ever jesus or was it all the teachings and writings of paul (mostly, some were written well after the death of paul) that defined modern christianity.
@tomgames8616 does it matter? The ultra right conservatives cherry-pick the bible.l and even call Jesus teachings "woke".
@@monorail4252 it might matter. A large majority of christianity beliefs come from paul talking about jesus.
Either way christians can be real jerks about stuff.
"Coloreds, Christians and Hippies need not apply,"
You know I always hear about small-government but I never hear about small religion. As in instead of having megachurches run by super-rich psychopaths who never read the Bible why not have small churches no more than say 50 or 100 congregates.
Better yet why have churches at all.
Look into the Unitarian Universalists - theoretically a Protestant Christian denomination, but closer to the best beliefs of every religion.
Almost always ignored. Almost always small churches (few believers can adjust to the truly tolerant nature of the church, which welcomes Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Deists, and Atheists, among others)
@@aaronbredon2948 thanks I will
@@jeremygregorio7472 note that the Unitarian Universalists were originally 2 denominations - the Unitarians and the Universalists. They met, realized their core beliefs were compatible, and did something almost never seen amomg Christian denominations - they MERGED, keeping the best of both denominations.
I have done events in 2 separate UU churches (they don't really look like churches), and they don't ask questions, they don't look down on people for being different, they just accept you for who you are and ask that you do the same.
If you tried to distill down the best parts of every religion into one belief system, you would probably end up with something like the Unitarian Universalists.
We all know money is the one true god of the US.
My mother was devout christian, a compassionate, tolerant, humble person. My father was an atheist, a violent, abusive, selfish man. I modeled myself on my mother but I am an atheist. I came to realize that my mother was a good christian because she was a good person, not the other way round. My father wasn't bad because he was an atheist, he was just a bad person. The only difference between me and my mother; she believed that the source of morality is external to the agent of morality, I believe the source of morality is internal to the agent of morality, the morality is exactly the same.
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell
How do these people function in modern society? Angels, demons, and antichrists everywhere. Having to ask god if going to the toilet is right?
Those questions have confounded me for years. Are people that stupid or what?
Oh these clowns need to go to the toilet whatever the Almighty thinks...🙄
I know right? Side note: In Islam, Muhammed actually does give very explicit instructions (a step-by-step guide in fact) for how to go to the bathroom. It became part of Islamic religious law.
I noticed that a lot of people leave religion during the Reagan, George W. Bush, and Trump years as fundamentalist Christianity became even more fundamentalist. The Handmaid's Tale was written during the 80s because of the Moral Majority.
Written, interestingly, by a Canadian...
@@stevetournay6103 One who went to university in Boston so found out how the early pioneers lived at the time and then persecuted witches.
trump: "I don't like people who have been captured".
Think trump and jesus 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Yeah like he's some hero. You can't criticize if you never served. 🤣🤣🤣
Bone spurs.He could have joined the cavalry and made a smashing military career,stable genius that he is.@@deathscythehell7937
Trump doesn't like people who were captured and crucified to death, even if they got better after 36 hours.
The GOP have showed us that they are willing to throw all the veterans who were wounded, died, or were captured in war, and their families that grieved them, under the bus in a second. They’ve shown they will throw their (supposed) God under the bus for an obvious charlatan using their God for purely self-serving manipulation. Now how much would it take for them to throw any other person, you or me, under the bus in a moment for any reason?
The neo-fascists just waited for the WWII generation to pass away before showing their faces.
Here's the problem. For a very large number of them, it wasn't a 'shit show'. It was a taste of their dreams, and it has only made them want more. But you're right, they have never embraced what Jesus said. I realized this as a child in the 80's.
You can go back as far as you want. These same people were doing tent revivals before attending their local Klan rallies in the 1920's. They were having existential meltdowns over industrialization in 1820. They were murdering their neighbors for the crime of witchcraft in 1692. It's less about the religion, and more about the garbage people who are inherently authoritarian freaks. The Christianity is just coming into conflict with who they really are.
"garbage people who are inherently authoritarian freaks"
This remark is true. It is true because religion plows and cultivates the mind for authoritarianism, trains it to think that way. How can it do otherwise when it's premised on a celestial dictator who says, essentially, "Open the door and let me in and I will save you!" You ask, "From what?" He says, "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't."
Also, there is jealousy in their attitudes. They are supposed to follow the rules of their god. Those of us who break their god's rules shouldn't be allowed to do so.
@@tommyhayes8702 That jealousy was carefully instilled in them, or cultivated anyway. While Christianity in America was distracted with direct involvement in politics, capitalism has been putting on a masterclass in propaganda and indoctrination. These people now are far more individualists, free-market zealots, and consumers than they are Christians. And a lot of them weren't terribly Christian to begin with.
Why did it take them this long to notice? We’ve been saying it for decades.
Because they themselves created the monster they apparently are now scared of. Who’s to blame if the flock doesn’t know what Jesus said and stood for? What have preachers been talking about from their pulpits for decades?
You could easily return them to Christ by telling them people that follow only the old testament are Jewish.
@@Moebz818 Yeah but a lot of these folk hate Jews. They believe Jews will be punished for killing Jesus in the end times. They have more in common with Nazi's then they would like to admit.
LOL. Awesome. Except, dude, as a Christian, I got a bad feeling those types would actually just convert to Judaism. They already love supporting Israel with our tax dollars. Sigh...
Nah, they'd just abandon the faith altogether at that point.
@@SeanStrifestill not seeing a problem...
@@SeanStrife No they would denounce the older teachings as being "woke garbage" and adopt newer more violent teachings they invent out of thin air. But they would still call themselves Christian's and would tell you they never left the faith.
It just isn’t surprising to me one bit. This is what I had always assumed evangelicals were saying behind closed doors. Every time you see the worst statement you can ever imagine being made online - wanting to set up machine guns at the border, saying women who get abortions should be executed, saying gay and trans people should be stoned to death - it’s always by evangelicals. No all evangelicals say those things, but people who do always have Bible quotes, “jesus,” and “evangelical,” in their profile headline.
Yeah, the reason evangelicals are preferring Trump to Jesus these days is, frankly, because Trump gave them permission to be their worst selves.
rightwing Christians ask what would Jesus do and think "I think he said I should throw the first stone"
LOL! Ahhh, I love it! And I'm a Christian bro. That's was gold.
In other very disturbing news, Hitler would be much too progressive for the modern far right
Nah, he would be right up their alley Trump himself used many of Hitlers early tactics to get into power in the first place, then played by the book which lucky for us all, didn't pan out for him because he didn't have the military on his side, the military refused to follow an unlawful order Trump gave to attack citizens on US soil during BLM.
Yeah he was a vegetarian and an environmentalist, american reactionaries consider both to be for sissies
@@theseukonnen1200 to quote the Heath ledger's joker. "It's a funny world we live in."
@@theseukonnen1200 Hitler wasn’t an “environmentalist” ffs. Go read how much wildlife areas, in national parks and reserves, he plowed under to make massive compounds for him and his toadies (who also were given power to do this on their own) not to mention the extra wide roads through wild areas so his throngs could cheer him. Having a number of personal retreats in the mountains doesn’t make you an “environmentalist.”
@@JH-pt6ih You're correct, but he and his spent a lot of time yammering on about the importance of protecting the beauty of the German wilderness from being despoiled and so on in the public facing rhetoric. As empty as it was, even that kind of rhetoric would get you labeled as effete and woke/a treehugger by a lot of modern American conservatives. I'm trying to emphasize how insanely reflexively reactionary the modern right is, not pretend the NSDAP was some bastion of green policy.
I'm just going to put this out there - because you know it's going to happen:
When do you think we see the first MAGA Bible authored and printed?
It may have already occurred.
@@billtomson5791I'd be surprised if it hadn't. (Precedent: the Nazis reworked Bible passages to suit their agenda...)
Thank you, thank you, thank you! As an intellectual-"leftist"-Christian, I have been so grateful for the rationality and heartfelt messages of common sense and decency I find here. Truly, a friendly atheist. Feels like a great place for an open-minded and friendly Christian (Methodist BTW). Thanks again!!
You’re a prime example that’s good decent people who make religion look good: belief in god alone doesn’t turn ass*holes into good people. Unfortunately.
Hello fellow Leftist Christian.
I'm also a Henotheist Christian (belief in all gods but prefers to worship one), mingled with some Jungian and Freudian and Joseph Campbell psychology.
The best apple in an orchard of rotting apples is called original sin. God’s perfect paradise ruined when a woman decides to have a light healthy snack. That was a house of cards.
That story is emblematic of mankind's core problem, which is mankind's core impulse: we crave personal power. And note that it starts with the serpent, who decided to go rogue and play Prometheus with "the first humans" more or less for kicks. Satan, the fallen angel of light, literarily personifies our craving for our own power.
Once you accept the centrality of that craving, something magical happens: all the sordid sweep of human history suddenly makes perfect sense...
It probably actually originally referred to a pomegranite. Imagine that. Eve hacking away at all those seeds with the red juice all over her hands and dribbling down her chin. What a messy girl.
They literally worship Trump as a god.
You know it's true, especially when they start replacing Jesus with Trump.
@vickibarkley2810 That went out the window the moment a golden statue of Trump started doing the rounds at the conservative conventions. Their LITERAL Golden Calf.
Well their god is heading to jail.
Puny god
So... a lot of these folks are also pretty rabidly 2A, and Twitter is only gonna get more hackable...
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Anyone else here thinking of high-speed heavy metals as a Kool-aid substitute?
@vickibarkley2810they made it literal golden statue of him at some point, so I'm pretty sure they never actually read that book LOL
Yeah they love worshiping the Old Testament deity which is Jewish by the way. And the Jesus they do worship is the one from The Book of Revelation riding a horse with a sword in his mouth.
They now worship Pontius Pilate.....
I'd take it a step further: they now worship the High Priest, Caliphas, I believe. He's the one who pushed Pilate into having to make the call.
They use the label of their religious beliefs as post-hoc justification for every horror they wish to commit.
I say "label" for a reason. Between the cherry-picking of biblical ideas and interpretations, it's a shell of Christianity where they believe nothing but claim they have beliefs and then hide behind those beliefs, just like they hide behind the flag and little children.
They are monsters. Grown adults should know better.
During the Trump presidency, I thought about how they defended him after every wrong thing he would do, I started to think about my own personal biases and do I do the same with Christianity, so I went on a journey to unplug and find the truth for myself, and I found that there was no good reason to believe what I believed, it took me a while due to guilt that was placed in me since I was a child. But I now feel mentally free after leaving religion behind.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that's the best you can come up with? do what I believe and say, or my dad will spank you?
@@echo036 I wouldn't waste my time if i wasn't fully convinced
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that extended my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Christian or not, many teachings (I'm sure there's some bad teachings) of Jesus, regardless if he was real or not, are excellent pieces of advise to follow.
I'm atheist but I take in _eye for an eye leaves the world blind_ quote as my conviction.
Eye for an eye will lead to an eye for a torso.
As an Atheist who grew up Christian and has read all of the Bew Testament multiple times, I can't recall a single "bad" teaching of Jesus. All core Christian beliefs I don't agree with come from the letters of Paul
Jesus was a real person. No serious historian will dispute that (short version, other accounts from that time period corroborate his existence).
@@thefrozenyak5272 I'm waiting for the archeological evidence to show up, I'm very sure there could've been a person with that name, carpenter occupation and falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit.
I'm just awaiting definitive confirmation, without a doubt pieces of information.
@@Im-BAD-at-satire @blankvision2771 Don't misunderstand me guys, I'm not advocating that a charismatic young rabbi in ancient Roman-occupied Judea was actually a divine being. Just that the man we call Jesus was a real person who largely said what his followers claim he said, modern attempts to whitewash the ancient world's widespread use and acceptance of slave labor notwithstanding. The bible isn't an accurate historical account, but ancient Roman historians did write about early Christians while Jesus' first followers were still personally active in spreading their gospel.
The algorithm likes to feed me educational videos, a fair number of which contend with religion from an academic and historical perspective. It really helps to highlight just how messed up organized religion is.
@@thefrozenyak5272You're a bit behind ain't ya? No serious historian would claim that there's any real evidence that Jesus actually existed. Now that they actually have the freedom to question his historicity it means that they can actually go with the evidence or lack thereof LOL
You hit this one out of the park! Great video.
If the teachings of Jesus is seen as weak and too liberal than we have bigger problems
I read a scholar’s statement that christianity is the religion OF Paul, ABOUT Jesus.
I've heard Christians referred to as Paulines before, and it makes sense. Certainly nearly all evangelical theology comes from Paul, and in a way that's understandable: Paul's epistles are the closest writings in the NT to Jesus' time, and they were expressly written to churches...
Historian here.
Absolutely. There is very little question about this at this point, to be honest.
1. Extensive examination of non-biblical primary sources, cross-referenced with the archeological record led to the coclusion that Jesus was almost certainly a real guy, born sometime near -4 BCE and died around the year 30CE, executed by the Romans in Jerusalem.
2. But the Gospels weren't written until 60-120CE and textual analysis reveals that they were NOT written by any of Jesus's actual disciplines. John almost certainly post-dates the Pauline epistles.
3. So, Paul and his nameless buddies were busy setting up (underground) churches in the eastern Roman Empire and telling those churches what they shoudl or should not be doing. Paul (and his nameless conspirators) essentially built early Christianity around the stories and rumors that were being passed around verbally for decades about Jesus. Along the way, things began to be written down. One of the first was most likely a list of "saying" which someone (or several people) "remembered' Jesus saying.
4. But early Christianity was, in fact, VERY diverse and there were many competing ideas emerging out of Pauline Christianity.
5. By the time of the ecumenical councils in Constantinople when CHristianity became the official religion of Rome, the canon of New Testament texts had congealed. At that point, the early diversity of the church began to be reined in AND the first schisms start to happen. The Arians were suppressed as "heretics." The Nestorians broke off and eventually dwindled under the weight of Islam. And in Constantinople (and Rome) the church had learned what it is to have power.
Yes. Paul (and everyone around Paul in the late apostolic period) created the religion. And it has been changing ever since.
I am an atheist, but my summary of the scholarship is quite neutral.
I hope this helps.
People like this walk right up to the edge of self awareness, then turn around and move in the exact opposite direction.
You are so right!
Around the time of the 2016 elections, a (political, historical or religious expert) commentator suggested the evangelicals support Trump because they think his evil nature will spark the conditions that will bring on the rapture they crave. You know, chaos, war and destruction.
I think it's a little simpler than that; Trump just gave them permission to go full mask-off with the hatred and bigotry. Gave them permission to not just remove the mask of civility, but throw said mask in the goddamn trash.
Good piece, but "what Jesus taught" is quite fluid. Would a pacifist say, "Do not think that I have come to bring peace, but a sword! A man's enemies will be those of his own household!"? "If a man does not have a sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one." You can cherry-pick your "teachings of Jesus" to get what you want.
Absolutely.
"Now bring my enemies here, and slaughter them before me!" - Jesus
Well, in context, when asked about the law, he stated more specifically "I bring not piece but a sword." He was stating that he was not the abolishment of the law, but it's fulfilment. It's quite metaphorical, but that's never stopped anyone in history from using metaphors to be hypocritical douchebags. Can I get an Amen??
I took that as metaphorical.
As in, I don't come to unite everyone, what I say will cause disagreements, because it goes against the religious teachings.
It will break apart families.
In interpreting it as a war of ideologies and beliefs, the idea to get a sword at all costs could be seen as sharpening your mind, getting an education, understanding your own convictions.
But when you use too many metaphors and leave so much to interpretation you really leave it up to the reader.
At that point we could just as effectively base our morals and understanding of reality on the Pokémon anime, or an Ikea instruction manual.
@@ilikecookies9796 Where's that one?
One teaching was, don't think I've come to bring peace to the world.
You can't follow him unless you hate your own family.
He specifically says that
Probably refers to being countercultural, but yes, that's one of the thornier ones for sure.
Political power is directly responsible for their downfall.
So Moore is only reacting when they attack Jesus himself, he doesn't care about anyone else being marginalized even though he admits himself Jesus worked for protecting them. Great mental gymnastics!
We did it boys, Christian fanaticism is no more
Then what am I supposed to do with all these lions?
@@petezipardi4022
Let them feast anyway. 🤣🤣🤣
It’s over when it’s over. I’m not going to get complacent about this.
@@petezipardi4022 well if the circus truly was gone that would leave an opening. But we all know clowns can't die
Religion corrupts politics and politics corrupts religion.
Because both are human constructs, absolutely.
Most staunch evangelicals I have known have long ago reimagined God and Jesus in their own image, or at least their desired image.
You were right on with this video it’s like saying Pence is a great guy because he resisted Trump. He was just doing his job.
Vad hjälper det mig om jag vinner hela världen ifall jag förlorar min fattiga själ. There are kind and sane Christian but most of them are fond of power and hate change.
It’s circling the drain, baby, circling the drain…
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself (Matthew 22:37-39). Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:43-48). But hate their father and mother. They must hate their wife and children. They must hate their brothers and sisters. (Luke 14:26).
Mm. Interestingly Luke was physician to Paul of Tarsus...
@@stevetournay6103 Also interestingly. Luke did not write the gospel of Luke. Neither did Matthew, Mark or John write their gospels.
Trump has been the new evangelical messiah for awhile. From what I've seen Jesus just doesn't capture their imagination anymore.
The term Christian is meant to mean a follower of Christ, someone who follows Christ's example and teachings. Most people who claim to be Christian aren't even close to being followers of Christ's example or teachings. Most of them only believe in Christ as a means of getting into heaven. As long as they believe, they can be as hateful, as bigoted, and as evil as they like and just confess their sins and get into heaven. It was Mahatma Gandhi that said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Truth. I still consider myself a Christian because I believe those teachings offer an excellent plan for life in the here and now. (Not that I'm actually much good at it.) But the afterlife stuff I've abandoned as fantasy...
I know that if Jesus came back, they'd re crucify him. Jesus is the first socialist... Ponder that.
Too late. They probably already gave Him a lethal injection somewhere, or had the CIA assassinate him, IDK.
They 1000% percent would. If their literal saviour came back and did supernatural stuff to prove it was him, they'd call him an antichrist and a communist demon and try to kill him again.
So many evengelicals don't actually care about their faith, they just want a community and an excuse to bully, torment, and hurt other people while still feeling like the good guys. :(
Exactly. Jesus would not be able to wrap his head around the idea of American individualism. He was all about community sharing and helping each other, and they were socialists. And they gave up all they had, gave to the poor and each other as I have paraphrased the scripture. There’s the story of two people holding money back from the community, hedging their bets, and the spirit killing them from doing so. This is the object lesson spiritually that if you keep your stuff to yourself, while promising to let it go to the community and God, you in effect murder yourself because of your dishonesty.
America is anything but what Jesus and Paul thought of as a community and this constant whining of my rights before the community and you would horrify Jesus to the extreme. The idea that Jesus is too woke for them and weak shows how little they know how strong and enlightened he was.
It was only a matter of time before they turn away from Jesus for their unhinged beliefs
I mean, think about it. I'm a Christian, and here's what ALWAYS had my hair standing on end with evangelicals: their name. "To evangelize." Except it's written right in the Book of Acts: no longer shall you need to preach or proselytize to your neighbor, for the Word, as given to each man or woman, will be written in their own hearts.
It doesn't say what every person's Word will sound like, or read like. But it's right there in the freaking Bible that you don't need to evangelize. They weren't ever reading their Bible AT ALL, or very very much worse, they were intentionally giving it the middle finger for their own agendas.
@@TeacherTaj Oh, I didn’t know that one, thank you
I've been saying since Reagan invited the Moral Majority into the tent (yes, I'm that old) that Republicans lost their conservative street cred. You can't legislate morality & insist on small govt. at the same time. Then the Evangelicals gave up on Jesus and went all in on trying to gain political power. Since Reagan's actions are leading to the end of both groups, I'm not exactly weeping over here. It's just not happening fast enough.
I'm that old too and not even American...
The Moral Majority was never either of those things.
Jesus is like a Rorschach test- you see in him whatever you want. You project onto him whatever you want. That's because if you want nice Jesus, he's in the Bible. And if you want mean and Jesus, he's also in the Bible.
Is he?
I only remember him being mean to hypocrites, religious zealots, and those who used their faith to make money.
And I remember him hating those more than he did the literal devil
I like Rev. Ed Trevors and his messages. He's an exemplary Christian pastor.
I use to be a Christian. Now an atheist. Even now I feel disturbed by this.
Still waiting for Evangelicals with morals? Yeah, good luck with that.
The Christian moral high ground is down a well in Death Valley.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 An evangelist with morals? 😂😂😂😂 Those two words don't belong in the same sentence. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@deathscythehell7937those words don't belong under electron microscopes in the same fucking _universe._
I'm sure that they exist, but talk about a needle-in-a-haystack LOL
At best, in the USA at least, you would need a time machine.
Conservative Christianity, the Pat Robertson sort, was not ever about religion. It was always about politics and control.
Love your work
I... Uh... What?? Why are they calling themselves Christians if they gave up on Christ? At this point they could just call themselves Trumpians.
Mammonites. Which they've always been. Worship money because it confers power on them. Trump is just a recent symptom-cum-saint of Mammonism...
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
@@stevetournay6103 Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell
Kind of like the trump sycophants that didn't abandon him until Jan 6. They think that's the only bad thing he did up until then.
What about the more than 5k lies he told in office. I'm not saying politicians don't lie we know they do, but to get caught up on a lie 5k times is pure stupidity.
@@deathscythehell7937What's worst ? killing 100k people or lying 5k times ? #Iraq #syria #Libya
The worst bit is the sycophants who STILL support him after Jan 6th. x_x
well you shouldn't have had mail in voting. Then there wouldn't be so much objections. In normal democracies it wouldn't be allowed. You can't guarantee voting secrecy with mail-in votes.. @@AegixDrakan
@@cirebinregbin1056 Canada and the UK are normal democracies and have mail in voting.
Also, without mail in voting, how do deployed soldiers get to vote?
And finally, you DO remember that there was a worldwide pandemic that was killing a metric ton of people in 2020, right? So trying to avoid having millions of people crammed into voting halls was seen as a VERY important idea, so minimize the spread and potential deaths.
When asking about "Who Would Jesus Hang", one of the pro-death penalty "Christians" assured me that his Jesus was absolutely not a wimp.
Been waiting for this for years. Get the popcorn out!
Thanks!
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Excellent point!!
The only thing that those preachers of teaching is to hate. And that's exactly what they want to do.
Amen to that from a staunch atheist!!
Awomen too. 🥸
These people pushing back against or outright rejecting he actual teachings of Christ are no longer worthy of bearing the mantle of "Christian." Indeed, they are no longer "Christian" at all.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Sin isn't real and likely neither is God.... that isn't the issue at all, here, as these folks are outright rejecting the teaching's of Christ and no spin you put on it will change that fact.
If you live according to the Old Testament only, you aren't a Christian because Christ is in the New Testament and that's where his teachings are found. If you reject his teachings as being too liberal or too woke, they you are rejecting Christ and are no longer Christian. Simple, really.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Yeah, keep believing that, but it has no bearing on the life of a non-believer which you need to understand. Sin does not exist, it's an invention by people as a control mechanism over other people.
According to Buddhist believe, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering. By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. So, to prevent suffering, one has only to eliminate desire and ignorance. This is a much better approach to life than any Christian one I've experiences or witnesses, and there's no judgement, no hell, no morality enforced by a God who would punish you.
@@WraithAllen Anyone under the OT is under the curse of the law and willl go to hell for breaking the kaw, that is why we ll need to repent & Believe in Jesus to have our sins forgiven
Don’t let sin hold you back let Jesus destroy your sins and usher in peace and joy that you are longing for. Jesus cares for all people regardless if they are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist etc He wants all people to Repent & Believe in Jesus and get the gift of eternal life. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
@@WraithAllen Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)
Thanks for the video :)
They ignored the teaching of Christ and promoted their own mythology for years and now they are surprised their followers have no clue what the Bible teaches and would not beleive it if you told them.
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell
Believing is, not thinking.
Why, the comma? :D
@@TeacherTaj it's on purpose. What is believing? It's NOT thinking.
Figures. I have known more atheist who lived a "Christ-like life" than the Christians who went to church Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening (for that mid-week boost).
AND THEY WONDER WHY???
“ AND BE SURE TO TITHE GENEROUSLY!!!$$”
Give us Barabbas!
Thanks for such a thoughtful video.
All hail the Algorithm
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell
It’s because evangelicals embraced the shift of listening to Fox News rather than tv preachers. They are victims of their own design.
It’s times like this I feel the Christopher Hitchens sized hole in the social commentary more keenly
Bush the Father, Bush the Son and the Reagan Spirit. And we pray in Trump's name, MAGA.
I could say that the decline in belief is a good thing, but then I remember all those "Christians" who say that the only thing keeping them from being even worse people than they are now is the threat of god's punishment. Then I'm happy to let them keep on believing.
so is calming a storm being weak
7:06 oh gawd, say it isn't so 😮 no wonder nashville religion has turned into a shyt show. Thanks for this tidbit of crazy. My nashville puzzle palace crazy theory is almost complete. Whewwwww, stinky here in Nashville. YOU ARE NAILING THIS FELLA, TO THE FLOOR! ❤
Cultural Christianity is different than real Christianity. Some people think our society is better off under a cultural umbrella of Christianity. I agree. That's not the same thing as being a real Christian. That is much more personal....you can spot a cultural Christian...spotting a real, authentic Christian can be much more subtle...
BLASPHEMY!
I 100% agree!
Jesus would get kicked out of a lot of American churches for being too woke.
White Evangelicals want someone more like Thor, Hiltler or Trump...I’m glad is all out there now
Great video
Today on "Godwin's Report," Americans reinvent Positive Christianity.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)