Ruger 10/22 vs Remington 597
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- Whew this one is old. I think there's more than one kid out there, probably around my age, who wanted a 10/22 as a kid, but ended up settling for grandpa's pump action .22 I know I ain't the only one.
13 years into my 597 and still enjoying it. Wish there were more accessories available for it like there are for the 10/22.
That is because the Ruger 10/22 has been out since 1964 where as the Remington 597 came out in 1997 I think it was. So the Ruger had a 30+ years to build a cult type following and is also much more reliable then the 597.
@@sjgavenger37 I agree that out of the box the 10/22 "generally" is more relaiable. I mean, I have an old one and a new one, and they both work great, and shoot reasonably accurately. With upgraded parts in the 597, I have yet to have any kind of issues at all with it, it's as reliable as any ruger. That said, I've recently bought one of the gsg-16s and that thing is accurate, cool looking and reliable. I went through 1000 rounds of cci mini mags without one malfunction, dry right out of the box. So I cleaned it, and it's now my "in the headboard for those bumps in the night" gun. Frangible ammo so that rounds don't go through drywall ;)
@@High_Caliber
The 10/22 I have is from around 1973. My dad bought it new then gave it to me a few years ago as it was my favorite rifle to shoot. I have shot a few Marlins in my time but never got a chance to shoot the 597. I recently changed out the scope from a 3-6 to a 3-9x50. Only had a chance to fire like 50 rnds to test and zero in the new scope. Unfortunately it was a busy day at the range that day so wasn't able to do it properly. Had too many irresponsible/inconsiderate shooters that day to be able to set up a target. The guy next to me was blasting away without actually aiming so I got tired of used shells landing on my head.
I would love to own both including a marlin 795. I have the 597 and love it but you can never have too many .22s. I enjoy how they all have their individual appearance and perks. That's why I love Remington, Ruger, and Marlin.
Nick A i may have to keep an eye out for a marlin... :)
***** make sure you keep two eyes on it. One for you and one for me lol nice video and try out the 795 or any other rimfire rifles :)
Nick A I've got a few more .22s in the vault, like you say you can never have enough 22's. I even have the CMMG converter so my AR's can shoot 22 :) Cheers!
***** you have got to make a video of your entire collection. That would really set the bar on rimfire decision making especially for beginners who are new to guns looking for the perfect rimfire rifle and I really enjoy seeing new guns and learning about them. I don't know how you got two dislikes... you did a great video and I look forward to seeing more :) cheers to another fellow rimfire enthusiast just like myself!
+Nick A (ExiledCreation7) 9 months later and I'm finally going to do this. I have a fairly large collection of .22s (a new one coming shortly) and each has it's own personality. Great idea! :)
My 597 was completely unreliable as brand new...multiple jams with every magazine. My friend's daughter had the same issues with hers. I installed Volquartsen aftermarket extractors in them and now they both work great. The rifle was made from really cheap parts, but I really like the design of the mechanisms. I love the dual bolt spring system! The rifle is really accurate, too!
This video is pretty old, and I have to admit to not having it out more than a couple of times, which is a shame, because I did the same upgrades including the springs and extractor and it's a really reliable plinker, and the chunkier form factor feels better than the 10/22, but it's just so easy to grab the 10/22...memories of childhood and all, but I agree with you 100% on the 597. It's weird that remington never improved it, could have been an all time classic.
The 597 is a jam-o-matic right out of the box. Remington’s quality has gone to the dogs in the last 10 years. They are only running on their prior name history. You will be buying the Volquartsen extractor for this model rifle.
I just bought my 597 today and was wondering how to take it down and you answered all my questions. Good video. Thanks.
I have a 10/22 my dad gave me a few years back. It is about 36 years old and looks like I just bought it yesterday. Manufactured early 70's.
If any of you guys are thinking on getting one of those plastic 30-round Remington extended magazines for the Remington, let me tell you that most of them require a little work before they start functioning as intended. In my case I had to take them apart and kind of "polish" the inner front wall of the magazine, where the tip of the rounds were getting stuck with plastic residue from the thermal gluing, with some long sand paper. I just put the mag in the vise and then made several passes with long string of sand paper. After cleaning all the waste plastic, they started feeding properly, although I haven't been able to load them with more than 25 rounds. 20 for comfort.
The 10-shot metallic mags on the other hand work perfectly all the time. Keep Shooting makes the best quality ones. Cheers!
I haven't had any feed issues with my 30 rnd mag yet (probably just luck of the draw) but I will take it apart and clean the inner seam like you recommend. I have found the 10 rnd mag to be flawless and I like that it is easy to disassemble for cleaning. 20 rounds load easy, 25 gets tough...30, well you are really working for those last five rounds and for the time and aggravation it takes to load the, I think leaving it to 20 or 25 rounds is the better bet.
Great tip on the mag, Thanks. :)
Tried the 10/22, loved it. Tried the Remington 597, loved it enough that I bought one. What drove me to the 597 is really price point. If Ruger can make a simplistic 10/22 variant then that would be something to aim for. The 597 has the same if not better quality than your standard 10/22 in my opinion. Cleaning is simple, last round hold open, same monte carlo style, and its cheaper. The only issue with the 597 is some magazines are duds. I have 2 30 round magazines and the stock 10 round. One of my 30 round mags has a feeding issue where the round will stay stuck down far in the mag. Tried playing around with the spring but no luck. I'm going to return it for another one but thats what's really killing sales for the 597, lack of quality mags and lack of modification options. But hey, all boom sticks have their pros and cons
Honest review I like that. Very informative as I’m thinking of getting either a 10-22 or 597
I'd go with the 10-22 to be honest. I still have both of these, but I had to upgrade a lot of the internals on the 5897 with volquartsen parts to get it to be 100% reliable. I prefer the feel to the 597, but the ruger always just works.
The remington 597 barrel can also be cleaned from the chamber end by simply pulling out the rubber bolt buffer when the action has been disassembled. This is a big advantage over the marlin 60/795, mossberg plinkster, and the non takedown 10/22.
Thank you that will you help me a lot I think I’m gonna pick up a Remington very informative you make great points thank you
I own a Mossberg 702 Plinkster,and I've put at least 60,000 rounds through it.It only cost $100,it has a great trigger,is rediculously accurate,and it's very reliable and hardy.Best kept secret of the 22lr world.
+BakuraAuthor
Ditto !
Same here. Just wish they made a high capacity mag that didn't look so bad and bulky.
My VTR 597 has been amazing! No issues and are anykinda ammo I threw at it. Love the heavy barrel and here in Canada the 597 magazine have no legal capacity unlike the 1022 which can legally hold 10.
My 1022 TD has been not so great. Failure to go into battery, failure to eject and sometimes even Slam fire from the bolt traveling forward causing the round to get stuck in the barrel.
Put about $350 worth of parts into it and now it will shoot Federal ammo about 80% reliability.
597 for the win!
I have a Ruger 1022 a Remington 597 and a Marlin 60 in my opinión the 597 is the best out the box, but I like all the posible mods available for the 1022, just Love the 597 shoots great and fits me better, feels more like a big rifle, it's a keeper.
I don't have the Marlin but a Savage 64 instead. Out of the three .22's, Yep....I have to agree with you....I really like shooting the 597 and it has a model 700 feel to it. Definitely a keeper!
You can make a little spring assembly tool with a small piece of tin like from a can cover. Cut a small square and bend it around a pencil to shape it into a horse shoe. Use it to push the spring down while feeding. Just a thought.
+I AM Now that's a good tip,... I can see exactly what you mean, and I'm going to do just this. Thanks !
+Reg Sparkes Let us all know how you make out. I love guns and shooting targets long rang with a .22LR.Been playing with them since birth. It's in the blood.
Great idea! Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a go. :)
I don't see why folks complain about the two guide rods with set screws. It seems Remington solved the problem of bending recoil springs that every Marlin owner has dealt with. Sure, I wish all my rifles came apart like an M16- but this seems logical at least, no?
I bought a 597 in almost new condition for 150$ awsome gun does more than just ''working''
I have both and love them both
This is quite and old video...but I will admit that while I tend to buy and sell guns fairly frequently, I have kept both of these. Upgrading the extractor on the remington helped tons with its reliability, and I prefer the solid feel and heft of the 597. However, the ruger breaks down, is quite accurate, AND has better magazines....if only it had a last round hold open and a slightly larger charging handle I'd likely never bring out the 597.
I have had that 597 for 3 years and barely clean it cause it runs great without having to take it apart to clean
I never break the thing down either, but I did for the video, and was a bit surprised by the amount of gunk in there. I'll put 500 rounds down the pipe in a day out though easy, which with the .22 shortage is starting to get damn expensive! :)
GREAT video! I've been looking for a detailed video on how to get the Remington 597 taken apart for cleaning and put back together. All the ones I found were poor quality and bad angles. Thanks for this!
+Jon You're welcome! It's a bit of a bugger to strip down, and it is possible to get the springs caught when reassembly, which you will know by the presence of light primer strikes. Glad this helped!
The only issue I have had with the 597 take down is putting the two guide rail springs back in. Quite the pain in the butt! After doing it a few times, it isn't all that bad but still not as simple as the 10/22 and no where near as simple as the Savage 64. Still, the 597 is a great shooter at an awesome price. It has a Model 700 feel to it when shouldering it. Very nice iron sights but still no comparison to a scope. Great video. :)
I'm sure you've already been asked but what is the scope you run on the 597 and what is the max yards you have it set to? Love this video by the way.
The 10/22 is designed to be able to be dry fired. The firing pin does not contact the edge of the chamber.
+Matt Taniguchi I've actually had a 10/22 for years and only found this out recently when I was looking at MKIII pistols. Generally, I just leave the yellow drywall anchors in my .22s as they are cheaper than snap caps and last longer :)
On the Remington 597, don't torque the bolt guide rod set screws or you will bow the rods and the action won't cycle properly. Don't worry about the set screws backing out, they are held captive by the stock.
I have the Remington 597
I don't agree that Ruger is easier to take down. I am not a fan of the factory mags. I actually like the two screws on Remington, locks it in there tight. I did like your video.
TheJeffrey1964 That's why it's good to buy one of both! :) Cheers!
I have owned both, and either is a fine plinker.
That being said, when it came time to "hand-me-down" one of them to a friend with a new shooter in the house, I gave up the Ruger 10/22 and kept the Rem 597 for myself.
The 597 (HBLS model) breaks aspirin tablets and horseflies at 100 yards without fail, and is simpler to break down for cleaning, in my opinion.
The 597 is a great rifle, but the 10/22 is pretty much its own market. There are almost as many aftermarket parts for the Ruger as there ar for ARs.
+Alexander Grace The 10/22 is "so close" to being the perfect .22 semi auto. Last round hold open and a better action release right out of box would be very welcome. Mine doesn't even have a sling mount. Just little things, but they add up. :)
You don't hear of damage on the Ruger due to dry firing.
I really have a love/hate relationship with ruger, but I will never say cross words about a 10/22. They broke the mold with that design. -HC
Every .22 sucks to clean. Only exception may be the Winchester wildcat, but it may not be as durable in the long run (speculation). Lots of plastic.
Agreed. I've takes to using SK ammo and mini mags pretty much exclusively, and they're both waxy, so they're messy going in, messy coming out, but so much fun, it's worth it! :)
its not like they need cleaned every day,so its not that bad
I have that 597 and know guys with the 10/22 and overall the 597 is better without a doubt
I've had a 10/22 since I was a kid, so I'm a bit biased, but I do tend to grab the 597 more often now. I think it's the whole hold open mechanism I like better.
Same here I have both and use the 597 way more often
Only thing ruger has on the rem is reliable 30 or 25 round mags
They both seem to have their "fiddly" moments, but after you have done it a few times it should get really easy. Both lovely guns though, I especially like the takedown stainless 10/22, time to start dropping hints for a Christmas present :)
Was that 597 camo and u painted it is green . The stock looks just like my multicam stock and I painted mine odgreen
What is it with American gun-youtubers always checking unloaded gun in the video? Just do it before the recording.
Well because it is a good safety habit to be in and to show people how to do it. What is so wrong with showing the viewer that he is handling the gun safely?
dont forget the 10/22 hammer pin
Looks like the Remington was a lot easier to me
I still have these, even though I did this ages ago. I upgraded the extrator and springs in the remington, and it's been really really reliable since then. It's heavier than the ruger by quite a bit, and it's nowhere as accurate as my cz bolt, but for some reason it just feels really good in the hand, the stock is solid, the barrel is heavy, I just like it, especially for the price.
my 597 combo that i bought at dicks sporting goods for $179.99 out shoots any stock 10/22 that i've ever come across...old ones or new ones. i plan on selling my 10/22 because the 597 is so much better. at 25 yards im getting one ragged hole using a nikon p-rimfire 2-7 scope and easily hit steel spinners out past 150 yards just by adjusting the turrets. granted the factory trigger DOES SUCK so i replaced mine with a volquartsen target hammer for $45. but even before that it was still more accurate than a 10/22. most marlin model 60's are more accurate than the 10/22
+John Smith I have to say every time I take mine out (I'm running a micro red dot on mine now), I'm amazed that they are so cheap. I did buy a remington 25 round mag and it was so bad I was throwing it on the ground, but then picked up a pro-mag 22 rounder and it works great. Odd that remington put out such a crap plastic mag for this thing.
After some adjustments to elevation, I was shooting quarter sized groups with my 10/22 (with factory High Visibility sights) at 25 yds. Silver dollar grouping with the 597 using factory iron sights. I put a cheap 3-9 x 40 scope on it, sighted it in and turning the .22 cal hole into a .30 - .35 cal hole at 25 yds. A little larger grouping than yours but still an very nice shooting rifle. Can't beet the bang for the buck, if you'll excuse the pun.
I picked up the Remington 30 rnd mag and haven't had any issues with it yet. Pros: nice look and nice to have 30 rounds. Cons: Feels cheap, hard to load to full capacity and does not come apart to clean properly like the stock 10 rnd mag. I haven't had any jamming nor feed issues with it yet but only pumped about 210 rounds through it so far.
Mad Mike 597 gave it to my uncle. Let him deal with those magazines. Thank goodness for the 10/22 and the MP 15/22.
I just got a 597 and mine failed to eject and got jammed about 7-10 times the first 50 rounds I shot today. And on top of that, the action lever popping out for some reason and falling on the ground. Can you or anyone else tell me why this keeps happening and how it can be remedied?
Thank you,
Tim
Actually that's common on both the 597 and 10/22s. Just fire about 200 rounds trough it, then take it down as I did in this vid and clean/lube it. The packing oil and/or fitment on these are from mass production lines, they can take a bit of break in. If it's still doing it, see if you can try another magazine. Once they get going, these things tend to purr along pretty good. Mine was actually second hand, so I lucked out that it just shot right away. Oh, and lastly make sure you try different ammo brands, some guns can be picky about certain brands, and it's just one of those things you get to know as your relationship with your new rifle grows :)
good to know, thank you!
+Tim Sharky Productions only shooting subsonics may help...I shoot CCI mini mags in mine and never had trouble...Of course right now it is hard to find CCI's
what is the obsession americans seem to have in always showing that the gun is empty and therefore safe? it gets tiresome seeing it in every video. but there may be genuine reasons that everyone does it and im asking a genuine question. can you be sued or something if someone copied your video and shot themselves ?
waldo pepper I'm actually going to answer this question in a video response, but it's twofold: 1) It's a REALLY good habit to check a firearm every single time it's out of your hand for a moment, and 2) if you don't show the firearm is clear, you will get 1000 Safety Sally responses of "HEY! You didn't check that firearm first!!!"
cheers for that. i agree its a good habit but i dont understand the constant need to do so based on that. its a really good habit not to point a gun at anyone either, but every gun video isnt punctuated with "look, im not pointing it at anyone" type comments. i do however understand it related to your second reason. a world full of busy bodies. christ, the joys of the new world aye. hey, thanks though for taking the time to answer. appreciate it.
waldo pepper You can always be careles, until you shoot yourself or someonelse cause you "think" it was empty. Its a matter of discipline while handing guns, most people doesnt need nor want and acccident to start being carefull.
Filadelfo Zuñiga agreed, but clarkson on top gear doesnt start every review of every car saying its in neutral and the hand brake is on. im asking why the need to constantly state the fact, not that its wrong to have the gun unloaded.
waldo pepper I see your point, but cars and guns are quite diferent, the both carry similar responsabilities sure. But in cars there is more space for mistakes(that not being a excuse for being irresponsible), but if u mess up with a gun is easier to get a huge problem
I own both a 10/22 and the 597 l like and hate them both equally my favourite .22 is my marlin model 60
I have the 3 and I like them in this order#1 597 #2 10/22 #3 Marlin 60 In my opinion in original condition the 597 is a better gun.
Nice vid! I have a takedown exactly like the one shown here. I find that every time I remove the barrel, the accuracy changes. I am baffled as I have tried everything. I am a fan of the 10/22 but I am seriously considering selling it for something else. Any ideas?
+The Real Outdoor Experience
there's no way that barrel can lock back into the same exact position every time. even if it's a thousands off it will affect accuracy down range.
+John Smith Thanks, I think I am done with the takedown, the more I shoot the 597, the more I like it!!!
+The Real Outdoor Experience I currently have a 3-9 scope on the takedown, and yes I have noticed it can shift a bit, but I can still hit a 2" ball on the 85 range 90% of the time, so I'm good with that. I think I'm going to get another 4-5 MOA micro red dot for the ruger, as that is probably about as accurate as it is...
I was hoping for better, so to fix my issue I switched to a .410 :)
.50 cal leaves even more margin for error.
I have a Remmington 597 JAM MASTER. If it was reliable I would prefer it over the Rugers & Marlins but it has problems I would stay away from the Remington 597.
David Tidwell Try replacing the extractor. Seems to remedy that problem for most people.
@@teaperk9634 I will give that a go and see what happens. Thanks
Don't over tighten the set screws for the rods because they bend I live mine actually almost loose and you will be fine, I didn't need to change the extractor like my 10/22.
Try a different magazine rem had alot of trouble with mags
The Remington 597 chambered in 17 HMR has been recalled and discontinued. They are offering a full refund upon receipt of return.
That's why I cant find them. Were they straight blowback?
@@HuxleyTheProf
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/11/the-remington-17-hmr-model-597-controversy/&ved=2ahUKEwjq75KckJ3mAhXvp1kKHfAqBCkQFjACegQIDxAJ&usg=AOvVaw1NBCIKDqq2zEdMssdcMmL4
I had the 17HMR and they offered 200.00 credit for a Remington product OR a barrel of different caliber. I sent it in and had a 22WMR barrel installed at no charge. The factory magazine works for both calibers. This was all done under the 17HMR recall notice.
Remington changed my .17 to .22wmr.
Have you replaced that steel buffer rod in your 1022 yet, if not why not ? Just a note, you do not need to buy an expensive nylon buffer rod,...just go buy a really cheap 1/4" x 2" nylon bolt, cut off the head and the threaded section and then lightly sand down the sharp edges or very slightly round off the cut ends, to make sliding it in easier, and there you have it, and really cheap buffer rod that should last for ages !
+Reg Sparkes I may try that, however I'm currently looking to pick up a better charging handle for mine, the stock one is just so tiiiiny. Some of those kits come with upgraded guide rods (I think). Thing is, the 10/22 just keeps working, it's hard to justify spending $$$ on it. The GSG 1911 or the ISSC MKII however.....CRAAAP!!!
+HIGH CALIBER
YES, I do agree whole heartedly,especially on that GSG 1911, mine had it's slide wear so badly after no more than 250 rounds, that I can't fire it any more. I've been waiting now for about 3 months for a new slide to arrive! ( Being replaced under warranty, I might add.)
Now back to that 10/22's charging handle is crying out to be 'up-graded'. I was using mine at the range ( indoor ) last week, and that darned little piece got to me too.
But who makes one that is not half the price of this Ruger ?
haha I'm looking at the Kidd handle, but yes, the price is keeping me away.
I bought the ZRTS ultimate upgrade for the gsg, and so far has improved accuracy and function quite a bit. It doesn't shoot like my buckmark, but WAY better than it did. It eliminates the takedown screw and tightens up the slop in the barrel bushing 100% (which might help with slide wear). It's yet one more thing I should do a video on, but even today I bought a new sniper rig in .223 and it's more fun to work on them and shoot than play with the camera :)
Reg Sparkes iiiiiiitreeeeeeeeerrttgvv. Mmkkm. 😣😣😢
1022 twice the price
Can you tell me if there is any difference in the takedown of a 597 magnum?
clifford clark I don't like to answer if I'm not sure, but I would imagine the mechanism would be the same with a beefier spring for the bolt to compensate for the higher recoil. I don't think they would redesign the action except to accommodate the larger cartridge. Still, that's just a guess.
Anybody let a fine rifle like that Ruger takedown get that dirty. Should have the gun taken away. That is very Very irresponsible.
have same ruger 10-22 takedown i burn around 2000 bullet not a single issue....and still never clean
I hope you’r not a school teacher??
HC try the spring tool for an easier reassembly, it's slightly cheaper at Midway(if it matters) but the link below has a video to show you how it's used.
gunsmithertools.com/597-remington-springtrap.html
Delta219 nice tip! Those springs are just annoying!
cool vid. like my 10/22
Yeah pretty hard to find a lot of fault with it. I wish it would stay open on the last round and it would be the ultimate plinker of all time. I'm hoping to get a heavy barrel version in a boyd's thumbhole stock at some point. :)
the boyd is a nice stock! never understood why Ruger didn't had the last round open function.
+HIGH CALIBER FYI you can buy a part to add yourself that will make yours do just that. do some asking or rimfire central they'll direct you. its probably 20 bucks and easy to do
ruger has legendary warranties on all firearms
thats the first reason to makes me chose 10-22
Have had both Remington was garbage trigger broke 3 times but was accurate ruger was reliable and accurate never had a issue traded it for a Winchester 25-20 in trading the Remington in at a shop for a 10-22 or Henry lever
Scusting eh!? Not acceptable!
Scusting!!
Man you really ramble on. Ever watch your own videos?
Lol, no, but thanks for watching.
Go Bruins!
The 597 looks like a plastic POS!!!
Odd, since the stock on the 597 is thicker, heavier and much more solid than the hollow feeling 10/22. I'm not knocking the ruger, but their stocks can be really cheesy sometimes. The stock on the pc carbine is an exception, that thing is extremely solid, but on the takedown in this vid, no such luck. Moral is, don't judge a gun by a silly youtube vid :)
The rem 597 is a piece of Sh!T. Mine Jammed on any ammo other than Federal brand. The 597 magazine is a nightmare with every round needing attention when being loaded. Bolt doesn't lock back and return springs belong in ball point pens not a rifle. Don't know why the springs were so difficult for this guy to handle. The extractor just flew the hell off one day! Did I say the 597 is a piece of crap?
+WhatDoYouReallyMean Keep it clean and they run great. No idea how you can have trouble with the magazines, I have 6 for it, the 10 rounders, and can't remember every having an issue. I'm not one to say a gun is good when it's crap, and remington sure isn't sending me any bribe money, these just work (and hold open on the last round).
Many seem not to have had any problems but I most certainly did. Rounds had to be perfectly arranged in the magazine to be fully chambered. A couple people who looked at the rifle suspected some type of misalignment seeing how the bolt would sometimes not fully close without a light touch. This is what lead to the extractor failing. Different magazines had no effect. Remington ammo would jam like a champ yet how much difference is there between manufacturers. The return springs were cheaply made in my opinion. I bought the rifle in 1997-98 so I'm sure it has improved with time but I will never own another. Glad yours works for you...
Well I have a lemon for a kriss vector, and that's a $1500 gun, so I do understand!
I agree HC, I've never had a feed issue with any kind of ammo and find it holds open on the last shot...a feature that I really like.
I just got mine about a month ago. It could be that back in the late 90's they were poorly made but I am certain that over the years Remington has corrected any issues with them. Mine shoot really well and is pretty accurate too. I've ran several brands of ammo through it without fail. With issues like that, I don't blame you for not wanting another one.
you over oil it a bit. scusting