Do You Need a Rimfire Scope? ~ What's the Difference?
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- The important differences that set a quality rimfire scope apart from other scopes are widely misunderstood to be simply of lesser quality. That's far from the truth and has absolutely nothing to do with their unique engineering! Allow me to explain why you absolutely need a good, properly engineered, rimfire scope on your rimfire rifle.
Every video is an advanced class that goes explores origins, I'm just a Plinker not a hunter at all and find your content excellent.
I never knew there was a difference between rimfire scopes and standard rifle scopes. Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom! You are the most knowledgeable channel on TH-cam for firearms information.
I agree !!!
Thank you. I am looking for a scope for a Ruger 10/22 and, as usual, your video was the most informative I've come across yet. You are a true gift.
Spot on. I've been shooting for 55 years, and am still learning. Thanks for sharing your considerable knowledge, Captain.
Cheers Gunblue :)
I do pest control down here in Australia, compete at my club and shoot pistols, rifles and shotguns. Consider myself knowledgeable to an extent.
I am still in awe of the way you effortlessly discuss your topics. I wish I could articulate things the way you do to new shooters.
I've done my best and forwarded on links to some of the new guys when i know i am not quite conveying what i mean, particularly around selecting calibers etc.
Makes my life easier!
Cheers
I could listen to this guy talk and tell stories for hours!!
So glad youre still making content. Always informative, always concise, always a good watch!!!
That was the best and most simple explanation of parallax Ive ever heard
thank you
Once again I'm grateful for you taking the time to share your knowledge as I always learn something and my use of firearms always benefits.
I wish I had been able to view this content a few years ago when I was researching scopes for my newly purchased 10/22. I came to about the same conclusions and purchased a Nikon Prostaff P3 Target EFR 3-9x40 AO. I don't believe they are still available, but it works great with the adjustable parallax feature.
Merty Christmas my Friend. May you and yours enjoy peace in Christ.
I do not understand it, I can sit here and watch your video(s) for hours on end and simply enjoy them and learn so much! Thank you for sharing. G'Bless! - PJohnson
Thanks for putting this information out there. I was surprised when I went to my local Cabela's to buy a scope for my Italian made Weatherby Mark xxii semi auto and the sales clerk tried to sell me a centerfire scope. If I didn't know better I probably would have bit just based on the paper specs like most. As it turns out I have that very same Leupold 4 power fixed mounted on it as you have on your CZ. Merry Christmas GB.
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The man constantly amazes me with what do not know and should know
Thank you for answering my question and doing it with a video as well. Your explanations made sense!
You answered what I had in mind and so much more.
I originally had bought a Leupold rim fire scope (2-7×magnification) for my marlin 39A golden mounty. After a few years I put it on a marlin 1894 in 44rem (1st gun I purchased at 18yrs!) for deer hunting without a thought as to if the extreme difference in recoil would damage the scope in any way. After a few years the thought did occur to me, but no one seemed able to really know if it would be a problem with continued use in this way. Didn't see any problems with accuracy. It was just nagging my thoughts. Something that needed to be addressed. Turns out it doesn't damage them!
Your recent scope videos jogged that question again when you mentioned rimfire scopes. Very much appreciate those videos!
I remember as a school kid back in the early 80's here in the UK manually adjusting the parallax down to 40 yards on a Nikko Sterling scope which came with parallax fixed @ 100yds, i needed to make the change for use on a HW80 spring air rifle, I did this by using a tool I made in the school metalwork shop to wind the objective lens in and out, I discovered when looking at the front of the scope thatthere were notches in the metal ring around the edge of the lens to allow this, it took a few minutes to do but it worked a treat - thanks for the memory
I have a 10/22 Ruger rifle with a scope similar to that don't stick your head up 💥💥
I bought a new Miroku made Browning T-bolt as soon as they were advertised about ten years ago. Leupold makes a rimfire 3-9 scope that is scaled down and looks great.
Have this combination--the Browning rings fit very well.
When you finally find an expert on youtube, you shut up an listen... 😮
Thank you for your excellent videos. They are amongst the very best on TH-cam. I have a question I’m hoping you can answer. I have an old (circa 1960’s) Colt single-shot rifle. I used it extensively for short-range hunting when I was young and always with iron sights. Now that I’m 70 years old and wanting to get into target shooting, I’m finding it very difficult to use the iron sights on account of my no longer 20/20 vision. I can’t seem to find any eyeglasses that work well and I also find that my glasses fog up quickly. Hence I’m starting to consider adding a scope in the hope I can shoot accurately again. Any tips you can offer on types of scopes that may make sense, and whether to wear glasses focused for near or long distance, will be greatly appreciated. - Thanks again! - Jim
What do you prefer.... fixed or variable magnification? I've been an iron site guy all my life, I did take your recommendation on the Tech Site for the 10/22 and Mini 14. They improved accuracy but alas the years are creeping in and I have started to think about a scope......but I will resist as long as I can.
Is eye relief different as well? My dad put a Weaver V22 on my Sheridan air rifle as a boy and I couldn’t get a full field of view because of how it had to be mounted. Fortunately, it didn’t take me long to grow into it.
Eye relief differs between scopes and is effected by magnification too. But really that's more of a mounting issue. Most scopes it's just under 4 inches.
I own a CZ 452 Ultra Lux with a 4x rimfire Leupold. It's the best combo for squirrels I've ever had the privilege of owning especially with such a low noise report. I also like the old rimfire Japanese Tascos. I sight in at 25-30 yds instead of 60 for headshots with 4x. I'll shoot out to 50 with this combo; any further I prefer more magnification.
Cz452,???? Where does that come from? An import?
@paulpetty3331 Czech Republic. The 452 line was discontinued back in 2011 in favor of an easier, cheaper manufacturing process. If you're lucky enough to find one at a reasonable price I'd grab it.
Couldn’t agree with you more. You definitely know what you’re talking about. What I find when using a 22 with subsonic ammo. Is a dedicated. Scope with the bullet drop calculated. On the reticule great video thanks
I always wondered, thought it was a construction difference. Thanks again!
My first gun was a single shot .22 O.F. Mossburg with the Weaver 7/8 tube with tip-off mounts. And yes, tear drop plastic turret caps in 4X.
Thank you for a clear and informative presentation. I'm going shopping for a 22 scope soon and now I'll be a much smarter shopper. Merry Christmas.
Thank you for your well-presented and very important information.
I like those old 3/4" Weaver scopes, I've collected a few.
I just happened to be watching your video on how to adjust your sights on a lever action and this popped up. I've been debating on installing a scope on my 1972 9422m, love the rifle and its incredibly accurate.
My personal feeling is that putting a scope on my Model 9422 would be like hanging a snowplow on a BMW.
Thanks so very much for sharing your knowledge with us! You answered a question that I’ve been looking for over the years about for what kind of scopes to use on my rimfire rifles and pistols!
I always wondered what that was about, thank you! Also, I want to thank you for all your videos regarding reloading, I recently sold my business and have sort of retired and have taken up reloading. I now have the time to devote to it, and it was a blessing finding your channel! Thanks again and say hi to Benny, hope all is well!
Another wonderful and very informative video…just love your content and explanations. I too have the same Hawks scope on my springer…love it. Thank you for sharing your depth of knowledge with us. God bless.
Hi GunBlue, love your channel a ton. Any chance you’ll be doing another Christmas “throw back” video? That’s a favorite of mine. Merry Christmas and God Bless.
i have a good leupold rimfire scope on my cz 455, i love it.
Thanks for another informative video, complete with some gun tech history. Merrry Christmas to you and the whole family!
I wanted to thank you for these great videos full of valuable information. I tested my first 9mm loads yesterday with great success. I learned so much and got multiple reloading books as you suggested. My 18yr old son is now learning this tradition.
As usual, so much useful information. Thank you and God bless. Merry Christmas.
The general attitude towards rimfire scopes seems to be “well, it’s just a .22, how accurate do you need to be?” Anything suitable for a 14 y.o. with a Red Ryder BB gun seems acceptable for a .22. I run a small hobby farm, so rabbits, squirrels, weasels, rats, etc are just as big a problem as foxes, coyotes, bobcats, and cougars only they’re harder to hit and often very fast. So my .22 is just as important as my PCC. A scope shouldn’t be a rickety little toy. Also, my 50 y.o. eyes don’t like the iron sights as much as they used to. I’d love to see more quality rimfire scopes on the market and a general shift in attitude about them.
Hi! Got a fixed 4X on my 22, no parralax adjustments. But from say 50 to 250m that's not really an issue. It's an "old" BSA scope and it works well for me. When i've swapped my Nikon 4/16 from my 222 to my 243 with a 1.5/6 Barska that costed me 60 euros, guess what? I'm still shooting good with my 222 rem and the 4/16 Nikon allowed me to shoot 1265m . The scope doesn't makes you better. Only your fondamentales will. But i know that's not even a point for you.
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I was wondering If you could tell me the model number of the Leopold scope for the .22LR Rimfire? Thank you for a very well explained difference between a centerfire scope, and a rimfire scope.
I have a Leupold FX series rimfire scope (2.5x) on my CZ 452, great combination.
Terrific video. Thank you. I just remember many comments over the years that rimfire scopes can fall apart if you mount them on a 3006-type recoiling rifle. I never thought of parallax. Merry Christmas from -30 C. Cache Creek, B.C. Canada.
Hmmm wish I would have seen your video few weeks ago. Just purchased a CZ 22WMR 457 America. Bought a vortex crossfire 11 4-12×44, B.D.C reticle, Warner rings. Out to the range with several different types of ammo. Although the P.O.I. was different with each type of ammo, I was pretty impressed with the groups and the accuracy of this rifle. Now my Area 419 scope base has arrived (15 moa) had to change the rings. Vortex pro series low. Haven't been to the range yet. Was really excited about my setup until I watched this video, now I don't know if I've made the wrong choices with this setup. I intended to enter in some of the rimfire shooting competitions at my local range in the hunter class. The target ranges are 100 and also 200yds, that's why I went with the higher power scope. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks again.
Thanks for the great info. about rimfire scopes. What scope rings did you use for the CZ 457 to mount the fixed power Leupold scope?
I have Vortex Diamondbacks 2-7*35 Rimfire, 50yd Parallax, 60+ ft FOV on a Marlin 60 and on my Marlin 1894 44Mag/44Spl. 😀
I have a few guns in the UK (grew up on a farm). Also a believer in less is more, but I use rimfires to try out new ideas - now running a small prismatic on a Volquartsen 10/22, and, dare I say it, a burris eliminator laserscope gen2 (the small 3-10×40 they briefly made) on my 17hmr. The later is the greatest setup I've ever used on rabbits in apple orchards - rapidly varying ranges. And there's nothing wrong with putting fancy scopes on a rimfire if you can.
There are also rimfire scopes on the market with the mill dots fixed for different distance you shoot at. Those scopes are totally useless because there are so many different types of .22lr ammo and different barrel lengths on rifles that the velocity and also the point of impact never will be the same. Those scopes are a waste of money.
Believe me, hunters & sport Shooters know much more than today’s guys behind counter. On different occasions, I had to shake my head to the inadequate knowledge most of them have about guns, scopes, bullets and shots.
I’m telling one just for the hike of it.
I asked for a certain sabot slug I was looking for 385 grains. I asked the guy to check the box to see how heavy the slug is for accuracy before purchasing. He replied “sir it says 385 Grams. And I didn’t know either to laugh, or cry for that answer knowing each gram is 15. + grain that multiplied by 385 = 5900 grains-+. 13.5 once 😊
Every time I go hunting stores, especially big box stores, I say to myself, this owner, manager must be a tree hugger/anti hunter/liberal/ democrat/vegan… you name it.
Thank you sir for your time and effort to give us knowledge & wisdom
I learned this the hard way. I tried putting a centerfire rifle scope on my 22 bolt action and I had trouble focusing on things at 25-50yrds and sometimes 100yrds depending on zoom. It was disappointing because I wanted to be able to do some crazy ballistic feats with the 22 slug. Unless you have a scope with adjustable parallax, you'll have to get a rimfire specific optic.
Thanks for the info.
I have been mounting centerfire scopes on my rimfires for decades. Never noticing any issues. But since you've pointed out the differences, I want to find a good quality rimfire scope and try it out.
Back in the day, when money was tight, I would mount whatever was available at my local gun shop in the used section. Then I simply learned how that rifle shot best with the equipment I could afford. I always liked the larger field of view through a centerfire scope.
I now own 2 extremely accurate rimfires: a Savage 17HMR and an antique Western Field pump 22lr (open sights). When I bought that old pump gun, I figured it would be used up but was I ever wrong. That rifle is way more accurate than I am able to shoot it.
I find it a bit disheartening that the younger generations don't get the opportunities to spend long hours with their firearms. Of course, some do but not in the same mass numbers like when I was young. My buddies and I would spend all day shooting our 22's and pellet rifles at ground squirrels, gophers, dump rats, pigeons and anything else that needed population control at the time. To this day, those guys can shoot very well. Most of them can't see well anymore though....lol.
Even these days, when I get a little bored, I'll take my pellet rifle out back and shoot grasshoppers while enjoying my favorite beverage. It's a great way to kill a little time and help control the hopper population.
You’re dead on about how things are now for the rest of us who are younger. I’m 36 now and have lived in the same town most of my life in Georgia. Growing up it was considered a smaller town but it’s expanded exponentially and is now a decent size city. For me to be able to shot my rifles I have to drive 45 minutes to any one of 3 ranges I have near me, pay the range (2 of 3 cost about $25 a visit, the last one is free) sit down at a bench, shoot, load everything back into the truck and drive 45 minutes home. I envy those who can walk out of their back door and shoot centerfire. I do shoot my air rifles at home but that’s as much as I can get away with. I’m hoping to move out of the city and live on some land in the next few years.
Really love all your content. I watch for hours at a time. A very Merry Christmas to you and your family. Look forward to more videos next year.
Would a 1-6 lpvo be suitable in your opinion for a 10-22 w/ mannlicher stock providing one keeps their eye centered to deal with potential parallax? Thanks so much for your insight!
Merry Christmas and Happy New!!
Thank you. Nothing better than knowing the facts and the background that supports the facts.
Thanks I’m a Blue Collar Guy This Scope stuff confuses the sht. out of me 🤓 your breakdown is very understandable Laymans terms Easy to Follow Sometimes less is more or simplified info.👍🏻👍🏻
I do like a monster scope for benched Puts Target in my lap Eyes are getting worse.
Interesting how your Newer Vids You look younger Must be the water.🇺🇸🎯
I know you and many other people don't like a scope on a lever action rifle, especially a .22LR. But, with my eyesight I have no other choice if I want to shoot at all. So I have a Hawke Airmax 4-12 AO scope with a very fine reticle on my Winchster 9244 .22LR. It works for me.
thanks for the simple and clear explanation on the differences and how those differences effect the shooter! enjoyable watch thanks again.
I have a regular rifle fixed 4 power Nikon on my 22 and it works really well for me I hardly notice the parallax although I am sure that it is present but it doesn’t seem to bother me I can shoot a 5 shot group at 50 yards and have one hole . I wish that I knew one tenth of the things that you know about firearms . Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us .
Finally someone I trust in, answers this question.
Wow the very first rifle I ever had was given to me by my Dad. Remington 572 fieldmaster pump 22. Wish I still had that gun.
Love the apron. So sad that Central Grocery closed down, but I hear they still make muffalettas and distribute them to another storefront.
Thank you for another great video. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. God bless you and your family
I bought all my guns, ammo, and reloading before 1984 from paper route money. It was good work for a youngster and okay into manhood. Threw papers for 12 years from 12-24, 365 days a year, morning and afternoon for 10 then the afternoon paper went kaput.
I have a K-6 Weaver on a Glenfield mod. 25. It won me a couple of rimfire silhouette trophies against rifles and scopes costing 5X as much. And squirrels had no chance within eyesight of that rifle.
how do you know if you go to the store if you are buying a rim scope . Do these scope come in first parallel so that the point impact does not change when the magnification is change
Great information, like always! Thanks.
Best wishes from Bulgaria.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New year 🎉
Thanks I’m a Blue Collar Guy This Scope stuff confuses the sht. out of me 🤓 your breakdown is very understandable Laymans terms Easy to Follow Sometimes less is more or simplified info.👍🏻👍🏻
I do like a monster scope for benched Puts Target in my lap Eyes are getting worse.
Interesting how your Newer Vids You look younger Must be the water.🇺🇸🎯
I love you blue no homo, learned so much from you. Happy new year and merry Christmas. Brother man. God bless you you’re family and you’re dogs.
Last week I was gifted a pristine custom rifle made by the Alamo Gun Company out of Texas in 1946 that was re-barreled on a small ring Mauser action in .300 savage complete with a Norman-Ford 2.5x scope with a post type retical. It is very well put together and ideal for woods hunting, however, with modern bullets such as the Hornady 178 ELD-x at 2,350 fps, it could be good enough for elk out to 300 yards (1,500lbs of energy) if one could hold steady at that range. The problem is that the scope is low powered and has a 7/8'' tube. I'd like to find a modern, or vintage variable, or fixed powered scope that has a 7/8'' tube. Any suggestions?
you can adjust the parallax on any scope, i do it all the time. i does not have to have an AO ring.
An air rifle scope design is different. There made to with stand the unique vibration and double recoil of Spring Piston powered air rifles. You can use any scope you like however; it is common to have ones not designed for spring piston powered guns to fail.
Rimfire scopes with non-adjusting parallax work fine. However, ones with manual adjusting ones work better. They increase clarity and precise parallax adjustment. If you look thru them while adjusting them indicates a rough range distance too.🤔
Welllll, I'll classify that as a warning that applies only to the cheapest scopes made, and I stand on that from nearly 50 years of experience with the unique double recoil of such mechanisms. Your words are almost a direct quote from my 1973 Beeman catalog.
The late Dr. Robert Beeman of Beeman rifle fame published that dire warning in his catalogs dating back to the 70s, while marketing his scope line in the same catalog. His Beeman Blue Label scopes were all no-name Japanese products, made under various contracts by different companies, bearing his Beeman logo. I owned two of his Blue Label scopes and they were unquestionably the cheapest scopes that I ever paid too much for, because I took his bait, hook, line, and sinker. Great rifles, but very, very cheap scopes. When it came to scopes, he was a master at scare advertising, and virtually cornered that market for many years, because nobody else countered his claims. The myth continues.
The simple truth is that I've been shooting violent recoiling spring air rifles of different makes and power continuously since 1973, including a 60 pound Beeman Crow Magnum, and have mounted quite a number of scope brands on them. Not one ever failed. Sliding mounts were the only real problem with rifles that used to lack anchor points, but even that's largely a non issue these days. I was personally assured by Leupold, B&L, and Bushnell that they fully warranted their scopes for any use, specifically including any spring air rifle. Dr. Beeman got a lot of mileage off that self-serving marketing scheme that applies to only the cheapest scopes made.
The only scope failures I ever experienced was the release of internal black asphalt cement inside a 1970s vintage Redfield Widefield scope mounted on my 30-06, and two of his spring air Blue Label scopes that came apart screw by screw.
@@GunBlue490 I can respect your experience and opinions and do more than others do. I witness and have had quality brands fail including Leupold, Wearer, Bushnell and Redfield both on pistols and rifles. I experienced everything from reticle failures, fogging and front bells snapping off scopes. Heavy recoil rifles break scope screws and move scopes thru even the best rings as well. I spent 4-years attending the Pennsylvania Master Gunsmith School as both a night class student and daytime shop aid in early eighties. My experiences just differ from yours. 🙂
WOW GIZ ! YOU DID STIKE A NERVE. LOL Well said reply.
Merry Christmas and God Bless! Love to see you do a video with Hickok 45 or another TH-camr.
I have always used Burris rimfire scopes they are set at 50 yards
Thank you for your explanation, very clear and easy to understand....the best yet I came across, I just bought two scopes on sale and was glad to go rimfire specific for my new 10/22 Ruger 2-7 35 v-plex...you have just confirmed my intuition with your knowledge, thanks again sir.
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That’s a another great video you’ve just got to carry on you’re knowledge and videos have been a great point of knowledge to me over the years, I use the Hawke scopes on my rimfire with side adjustable parallax. I’ve upset a few benchrest shooters using my CZ. A lot believe you can buy accuracy 😂😂, the shot is as good as the shooter, please keep on with the videos
Fantastic
I can work with iron sights as long as there’s good light, I need a scope if I’m under the trees or near end of day!
I bought a bsa sweet 17 scope for my savage .17 hmr. I'm liking it.
This is important stuff for scope selection. I'm gonna check out the parallax on my son's rifle scope now.
how does a telescope know how a guns firing pin hits the bullet
why not just distinguish short from long range shooting regardless of type of gun
My old Tasco rim fire scope had the paralax set for 1 yard...
Strong spring powered airguns are scope killers because of the double recoil. Even expensive high quality scopes rated for heavy cal.centerfire cartridges can be easy destroyed when used on a springer. Some brands offer scopes specially for rated springer air rifles. Example are the Hawke Airmax series where de reticle/crosshair, mostly with mill and half mill dots are chemically or laser edged in the glas.
They also have problems with the scope moving in the rings.
Actually no manufacturer I'm aware of rates their scopes for high powered spring guns from what I've seen. I shoot spring guns, and I just buy good scopes. Hawke aren't building their scopes any different from other scopes in that price range, it's mostly just a combination of airgun friendly features and marketing. When they say spring gun, they mean a 12ft/lb UK limit spring gun, not a Hatsan 135 or a Gamo Swarm Magnum. Those things will annihilate any scope unless you take steps to avoid it. Sportsmatch Dampa Mount or Diana ZR mount are basically the only options in that case.
@gun fisher Steps can be taken to avoid scopes moving in the rings. For me it stopped being an issue entirely when I purchased a Wheeler FAT wrench. Scope moving in the rings is most likely caused by inconsistent torque on the rings. You can also buy that super thin double sided tape and put that inside your rings, or you can on particularly brutal magnum springers, use a recoil reducing mount.
I love your channel, Sir… weeding out the bs
Thanks for sharing, you are a wealth of good information! 👍
Merry Christmas to you and yours and thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us! Merry Christmas to you and yours too!
Thank you for covering this topic. A lot of people, especially hunters (in my experience), don't generally understand parallax since it doesn't really matter for medium to large game. I always have to steer people away from standard/entry centerfire scopes with 100/150 yard fixed parallax for their 22LRs (or rimfires in general). The amount of error introduced at 20 yards from a 150 yard fixed parallax is massive. I often advise a lightweight, inexpensive rimfire scope for 22s as they tend to work well.
Easy answer.
100% depends on the scopes.
Another great video, thank you. Of course I have an AO (Leupold EFR) scope on my 10/22. I like to target shoot at various near distances so it is imperative to have AO or side focus.
have a marlin 39a with a weaver 3x9 scope
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with the rest of us!
Thank you, Worthy Brother. I'll consider a scope for my rimfire.
VJ!
If you get time can you make a video the difference between a 204 Ruger and a 222 Magnum.
One is a 20 caliber and the other is a 22 caliber
Great video as usual, but I still have a question. You may have answered it and I just didn't get it. I understand adjusting the the parallax at 50 - 60 yards on the rimfire scope. I do not understand why not just set all scopes at the same 50 - 60 yards? What does the 160 yard parallax adjustment do better at longer distances that a 50 - 60 yard parallax doesn't do. Is the image more crisp and clear? I have asked this question on internet forums and just can't seem to get an answer I understand.
The farther the parallax is factory set at the longer the infinity distance actually is. The closer fixed 50-60 yard parallax hinders the maximum farthest distance to see clearly at. Having AO or side focus eliminates this.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I recently picked up a used Leupold fixed X4 scope for center fire. I will check it against my Leupold fixed X4 rimfire scope.
This is solid advice. As a airgun field target shooter, I would add something, that I don't know if many rimfire and centerfire shooters would be interested in, but I never use a rule of thumb for figuring out what distance to zero at, I use math based on my actual real world trajectory. My zero for my target rig is set to be the highest point of my trajectory in relation to my line of sight. This is because I rangefind and then dial for every distance and I really don't like how messy things get when I have to dial down from my zero as well as up. For a hunting airgun setup, I'm going to specify a "killzone" of a specific size, that I think is reasonable for the critter I'm going after, and I'm then going to zero in the center of that, which means that my trajectory will go half the size of my killzone above the line of sight and then back down again. This means I have a large range between the minimum and maximum range I can shoot with no holdover or elevation adjustment because critters don't usually sit around like targets do.
But I always let the combination of scope height and trajectory dictate my zero distance, whereas almost all my fellow shooters use a the conventional wisdom, which is usually 25 yards with an airgun for FT shooting, or maybe 30 to 40 yards with a high powered hunting airgun. This is madness to me, because they start with an arbitrary number and then build their dope chart around that. Maybe I'm just pedantic, but I like my dope chart to be as clean and simple as possible.
Phew! There's a lot of madness in the world, but lacking your specificity in sighting an airgun isn't reason to call the mental health people! Setting a firearm sight such that the trajectory is maximized to strike a target or "kill zone" with one setting, based on sight height is commonly called traditional "point blank" sighting. What you discovered is the standard method that hunters, target shooters and the military have used since rocks have been thrown. 25 yards is actually a pretty good point blank zero for many air guns.
@GunBlue490 Yeah, it's just that airguns vary a lot. I have a system that works for me, but I find most of the others I shoot with have methods that I find painful. But I mean no offense, I'm just an incredibly pedantic guy who has to have everything logical and as simple as possible. So I always determine my zero distance precisely. Most of the time you're right, 25, 26 or 27 meters is where I land on, not yards. But 25 yards would work well if I was going for say, a half inch killzone, but for targets, I'm going for the apex of the trajectory.
Responding before watching.... If you didn't need one they wouldn't be marketing them. In my teens, the rimfire scope was a pitiful piece of junk. I had some of them until I bought a 1" tube 4x Banner and mounted it in some one inch rings. I would never put one of those early "rimfire scopes" on any rimfire rifle I've owned since. But having said that, rimfire scopes ain't what they use to be. My favorite "rimfire scope" now is the Leupold 3-9x33 (currently in Freedom efr livery". It's not the only solution by any means --"We've come a long way, baby"!
Yes, I had a centerfire 50mm Nikon on my little CZ 457.. I was getting terrible groups with a very nice scope. I swapped it out for a cheap 32mm Simmons.. and bangarang! Silly story from yrs ago.. My grandfather asked me to kill him a few squirrel. So, I went out and got him three nice fat grey squirrels. Grandmother cooked em up with dumplings. After we finished supper, my grandad said.. You did good whippersnapper, but next time don't shoot em in the head. He loved the brains!
Thank you for your content,and excellent knowledge, and presentation! Always interesting,and informative!🤔👏😁
The 457 is a nice rifle
Now I feel like an idiot an now know why my crosshairs are hard to see on a squirrel closer than 50 yards. And the parallax adjustment doesn’t fix it.
You need to use focus adjustment for that, not parallax. It is usually on the eyepiece.
Make sure your occular lens is focused right for your eye (usually by twisting the eye-end of the scope). Not having it set right will make the reticle come in and out of focus as you aim at a target since your eye will struggle to get both in focus.