I want to buy a dishwasher! Hah, on a more serious note, I really love that you are showing a lot of sample photos from the 24-105mm zoom lens in this video! And I get to see a lot more Finland too, and the weather has been really nice I see!
Can you add the extension tube and 2x teleconverter to this lens Given you 48-210mm add to my G9 with 100-400mm I could carry both No macro with the g9 & 100-400mm
Today my S1 and this Kit lens arrived. 1st... It is huge but sharp even at f/4 and in combination with IBIS (Dual) it is really great for video. All your explanations are more than correct. Thx a lot!
@@mattisulanto since Yesterday I own the S1R and its true... the picture quality is amazing. I shoot also high resolution tests at F10 and it blows me away. Is nearly like an microscope 🔬😉 I bought also the Sigma 50mm F1. 4...wow, did you test it already? Is the best combination I ever owned and I had a lot of camera & lens collections... stay healthy!
A very good review, thank you. I've got this lens with a Leica SL and while it is fantastic at the wide end, for me it needs more careful handling at the telephoto end and isn't quite so bitingly sharp when the subject is at a distance (I wondered if this was my technique, or if it is the fact that the SL has no IBIS, not sure, I need to try harder). This is probably me expecting too much from a lens which has quite a long and useful zoom range, but Zooms are always a compromise. For those thinking about the lens, the bokeh is very nice and the AF is fast enough for a running dog and generally very accurate. I expect the newer Panasonic S1 and S5's will be better again than a 2015 Leica. I got it because it is so flexible, light weight and weather sealed which is great as I live in the English lakes so it is a great lens for hiking and can cope with the rain that keeps the lakes full. Would I like the Leica equivalent, yes except for the high price and the significantly greater weight. Maybe the rumoured Sigma 24-100 will take such zooms to the next level?
Thanks for the review. I just completed my G9 kit with PL 8-18, 12-60, 50-200mm 2.8-4 lenses as well as a Sigma 16mm f1.4. I was very interested to hear your evaluation of the S1 and 24-105 because I still have my Nikon D750 FX kit that includes a Sigma 24-105 Art lens and the total weight of the S1 kit is similar for those occasions I need the FX for low light, greater resolution and all of the great mirrorless advantages you get with the G9. I was possibly interested in a new mirrorless full frame with Panasonic’s very good menu system to match with the G9. I think I will wait a bit longer to see if my G9 kit will serve most of my needs for travel photography. It seems like the S 24-105 lens may not be up to the quality of the S1 camera. Thank you for the great information on Panasonic gear. I appreciate your candor.
sulantoblog Thank you for your reply. I have just watched your review again to see if I misjudged your opinions of the lens. I apologize if I got the incorrect impression that you intended. I guess it was the use of the phrase “very descent “ that led to believe that you thought it was OK but not exceptional. With your reference that you prefer prime lenses I can see that it could not meet that standard. I’ll give it another look if I decide to make a full frame switch. Meanwhile I am looking forward to using my M43 kit for an upcoming trip of Maritime UK, Scotland & Northern Spain.Thanks for the great reviews.
I only wanted to make sure I didn't say anything that gave a wrong impression, because English is not my first language. I hope you have a great trip and get some awesome shots. Thanks again for participating😀
Hi Matti. Very nice, comprehensive and informative video on this Lumix 24-105 f/4. I am very interested in the S1 with this lens (and the 70 - 200 f/4), as a landscape and product photographer who values image sharpness and detail. Have you tested the "High Resolution Mode" of the S1 with this (or any) lens? (It's this Mode that makes me think I don't need the S1R, since a 97MB image is more than enough for a 30" x 40" print. Thank you sir.
Thanks! I have tested the hires mode of the S1R, but not the S1. However, I hope I can test also the S1 soon. Based on my experience with the hires mode of the G9, I'd say the S1 probably looks very good. You have to be careful with moving scenes, though.
@@mattisulanto Excellent, Matti, thank you! I really look forward to comparing a 30" x 40" print from this S1 and aforementioned lenses, to the APS-C Fuji X-T3...I would expect a very noticable improvement in sharpness and detail retention!
I think its amazing all around lens with great pictures, doesn't see much (if any) difference with "pro" series. 70-200 is awesome as well. 50mm (for the price) is ok, but do not huge difference (I mean its great, but price is not very good). Just as general info.
Renderman.pro, very interesting comment, and one that reinforces my decision to go with the 24-105 f/4 "kit" lens with the S1. As a sharpness fanatic, I'm usually hesitant to go with a zoom of this range, just because I value image sharpness and detail above other considerations, but from this and other comments, I think this lens is the exception to the rule! Thanks!
@@mattisulanto I am only impressed by the lens costs... I have now the NX1 and Sigma ad Quattro and I used for 6 months a M1 Mark II. The MFT has a lot of great and affordable lens, here I see it's almost premium and expensive. Can please suggest?
I‘m a Landscape photographer and Look to the s System (and hopeing to the „Amazonas Black friday😉🤭). For me its very Interessting to have a f.4 Lens. And, what is Comming up. . . a 16-35 f.4 🤗 Saving Money for that 😜 All the best Klaus
Well what can I say, I am a Lumix GX9 girl with a full kit; I was about to buy a 24-105mm f4 today (not Lumix but Sony) and this video has put me right off it. I have already picked up the S1 with zoom in the photo shop thinking, hey this body will take my APS Leica TL lenses and I am a Lumix girl. Well it weighs a ton and looks like the equipment of a Nat Geo outside broadcast unit. Long story short, I was put off the L mount aliance completely and sold all my Leica last week. Problem: I was using my Leica TL2 with adapters to fit all my legacy Nikon and Voightlander MF lenses, what to do, even though my Nikon D700 isnt as heavy as a Lumix S1, its still heavy and the MFT sensor is too small to make best use of full frame lenses? So I bought a Sony A7 with 50mm f1.8 kit lens which was on offer and a Leica M adapter for my legacy lenses. So problem solved. Well how do I use cameras? I use primes and on my Lumix GX9 that means 17mm, 25mm and 45mm f1.7or8. For nature country walks and the Zoo I use the lovely Lumix 14-140mm. Nothing full frame is going to ever change that but I would like the option. So today I was going to buy the Zeiss 35mm f2.8 for the A7 and the Sony 24-105mm f4 for nature. Then I see your video reminding me what that lens is like. What it looks like is my Sony A7 is not going to the Zoo and that pleasure will be reserved for my GX9 with either the 45mm f1.8 or the 14-140mm. Long lenses and full frame just dont mix I think. As for lens design I couldnt disagree more strongly; all software correction degrades the image, its just a fact of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics so there isnt any point arguing about it. So software correction is a compromise. Well as far as I am concerned the choices made by modern lens designers are definately not to my taste so they can keep their big heavy full frame lenses (and that goes for Nikon and Canon too). If they used software correction to reduce size, reduce glass elements and reduce weight and increase microtones I would be first in the queue to buy but, I hate the image quality of these over sharp contrasty flat field lenses anyway which is why I buy classic lenses from the film era; they are perfectly corrected (there is no photoshop on a film enlarger) compact and drip microtones giving amazing depth and clarity in images rather than the fog filled bokeh nonsense that modern lenses are optimised for. My low glass MFT primes have this property too. I will be sticking with my lovely Lumix MFT kit. Have fun ;-)
P.S. Stop Press: Decided I will probably buy a Sony 85mm f1.8 instead for the Zoo and use my Pixel2 XL phone camera for the wide stuff. Conclusion, I wont be buying any full frame Zoom lenses. Thanks to your video I have clarified my thinking but alas, not the way you hoped from your video ;-)
Very balanced description, how do you feel from practical experience the lowlight characteristics of the SR1 with the kit lens. I like to photograph landscapes and cities at night.
Thanks for your comment. Based on my experience so far, I think the S1R with the kit lens would be a very good choice for you. Lots of pixels and a great image quality. You are using a tripod and long exposures, I guess. Illuminated buttons are nice also, if you work in dim light.
@@tattoobillyvon9764 The night mode changes only the screen or VF color to red. The buttons and the small display on top of the camera don't change color.
Can you add the extension tube and 2x teleconverter to this lens Given you 48-210mm add to my G9 with 100-400mm I could carry both No macro with the g9 & 100-400mm
Just for your information, the Lumix S 24 - 105mm isn't sold as a kit lens for all the S series cameras as stated above, in France anyway, to my disapointment the S1H and the Lumix S 24 - 105mm are sold with two seprerate price tickets ... :-(
Thanks for your comment. The S1H was just announced some weeks before I made the video, so I made a mistake not to check that. There can also sometime be geographical differentiation in products.
@@mattisulanto No worries I entirely understand, and would like to thank you for sharing your tests, opinions, experiences with us on TH-cam, as a novice myself just starting out your video is a great help, I have ordered the Lumix S1H with 24 - 105mm from Panasonic for my first experience in video.
My Panasonic G85 is my only digital mirrorless quality camera (I have a Nikon L26 for quick point-and-shoot, and a ton of old film cameras) -- and I tend to use the Lumix 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens in situations where I want photos as well as video of "unpredictable" subjects -- so the variable focal length is very useful. If I want to push to the wider apertures and narrower depth of field, I will swap out the 12-60mm with my 25mm f1.7 or my 42.5mm f1.7 -- those are good focal lengths and good wide aperture lenses. If I really have time to plan and set up my shots, then I have about (yikes!) 75 vintage 35mm lenses and adapters to use for manual exposure and manual focus.
Well, it performs one stop worse than the F2.8😀 In my opinion, you'd have to be filming in quite dim light before the F4 becomes a problem, but these are always kind of personal matters too. The 24-105mm is a very versatile range though and much better than the 24-70mm.
@@mattisulanto Yes, I already returned it. Will perhaps rent one in future to see if I get any different results. But I was very disappointed with the lens I returned.
I love this lens but... In iA and M-Video Mode the auto-focus works very good.... when i switch in the (Photo)M-Mode the camera is detecting face and eye correct but its not focusing on it. I dont know what i m doing wrong.... so i reset all settings but its still de same? Can someone help me?
It's really difficult to diagnose your problem remotely, because I don't know exactly what and how your are shooting. I recommend you to install the latest firmware for your camera and lens and try different AF modes and see what works best for your situation.
I don't think it's possible, because the distance from the mounting flange to the sensor is almost the same on the both systems. The L mount distance is only 0.75mm longer.
@@mattisulanto -- ahhh right, a direct (no optical elements) adapter would have no room. I wonder if a speed-booster design would be possible? The L-mount lenses seem to be very high quality and very sharp (and a bit expensive) -- it would be great to try them out on micro-four-thirds bodies....
I suppose it would be possible make some kind of adapter with lens elements, but I think it doesn't make sense, because there are so many great native lenses for the M43.
I ditched my Lumix 14-140 lens in favour of an Olympus 12-100 pro lens on my GX8 mainly as it’s weather proofed. It’s also much sharper but a little bigger but still ok compared to full frame cameras.
I want to buy a dishwasher! Hah, on a more serious note, I really love that you are showing a lot of sample photos from the 24-105mm zoom lens in this video! And I get to see a lot more Finland too, and the weather has been really nice I see!
Thanks, Robin. This summer hasn't been anything special what comes to the weather, but we have still had some nice days.
Can you add the extension tube and
2x teleconverter to this lens
Given you 48-210mm add to my
G9 with 100-400mm
I could carry both
No macro with the g9 & 100-400mm
Today my S1 and this Kit lens arrived. 1st... It is huge but sharp even at f/4 and in combination with IBIS (Dual) it is really great for video. All your explanations are more than correct. Thx a lot!
Thanks! Yes, it's a pretty good lens, even if it's only a kit lens and not really expensive. Works well also on the 47 Mp S1R.
@@mattisulanto since Yesterday I own the S1R and its true... the picture quality is amazing. I shoot also high resolution tests at F10 and it blows me away. Is nearly like an microscope 🔬😉
I bought also the Sigma 50mm F1. 4...wow, did you test it already? Is the best combination I ever owned and I had a lot of camera & lens collections... stay healthy!
A very good review, thank you. I've got this lens with a Leica SL and while it is fantastic at the wide end, for me it needs more careful handling at the telephoto end and isn't quite so bitingly sharp when the subject is at a distance (I wondered if this was my technique, or if it is the fact that the SL has no IBIS, not sure, I need to try harder). This is probably me expecting too much from a lens which has quite a long and useful zoom range, but Zooms are always a compromise. For those thinking about the lens, the bokeh is very nice and the AF is fast enough for a running dog and generally very accurate. I expect the newer Panasonic S1 and S5's will be better again than a 2015 Leica. I got it because it is so flexible, light weight and weather sealed which is great as I live in the English lakes so it is a great lens for hiking and can cope with the rain that keeps the lakes full. Would I like the Leica equivalent, yes except for the high price and the significantly greater weight. Maybe the rumoured Sigma 24-100 will take such zooms to the next level?
Thanks.
I use this lens with my Leica CL. Get along well I love it😊
I love the opening video from 0.12 to 11.48.
Hola es una cámara para día, por la noche o en lugares cerrados como actúa el f.4?.Saludos
Thanks for the review. I just completed my G9 kit with PL 8-18, 12-60, 50-200mm 2.8-4 lenses as well as a Sigma 16mm f1.4. I was very interested to hear your evaluation of the S1 and 24-105 because I still have my Nikon D750 FX kit that includes a Sigma 24-105 Art lens and the total weight of the S1 kit is similar for those occasions I need the FX for low light, greater resolution and all of the great mirrorless advantages you get with the G9. I was possibly interested in a new mirrorless full frame with Panasonic’s very good menu system to match with the G9. I think I will wait a bit longer to see if my G9 kit will serve most of my needs for travel photography. It seems like the S 24-105 lens may not be up to the quality of the S1 camera. Thank you for the great information on Panasonic gear. I appreciate your candor.
Thanks for your comment. How did you get the impression that the S 24-105mm is not up to the quality of the S1?
sulantoblog Thank you for your reply. I have just watched your review again to see if I misjudged your opinions of the lens. I apologize if I got the incorrect impression that you intended. I guess it was the use of the phrase “very descent “ that led to believe that you thought it was OK but not exceptional. With your reference that you prefer prime lenses I can see that it could not meet that standard. I’ll give it another look if I decide to make a full frame switch. Meanwhile I am looking forward to using my M43 kit for an upcoming trip of Maritime UK, Scotland & Northern Spain.Thanks for the great reviews.
I only wanted to make sure I didn't say anything that gave a wrong impression, because English is not my first language. I hope you have a great trip and get some awesome shots. Thanks again for participating😀
Very helpful, thanks.
You're welcome!
Hi Matti. Very nice, comprehensive and informative video on this Lumix 24-105 f/4. I am very interested in the S1 with this lens (and the 70 - 200 f/4), as a landscape and product photographer who values image sharpness and detail. Have you tested the "High Resolution Mode" of the S1 with this (or any) lens? (It's this Mode that makes me think I don't need the S1R, since a 97MB image is more than enough for a 30" x 40" print. Thank you sir.
Thanks! I have tested the hires mode of the S1R, but not the S1. However, I hope I can test also the S1 soon. Based on my experience with the hires mode of the G9, I'd say the S1 probably looks very good. You have to be careful with moving scenes, though.
@@mattisulanto Excellent, Matti, thank you! I really look forward to comparing a 30" x 40" print from this S1 and aforementioned lenses, to the APS-C Fuji X-T3...I would expect a very noticable improvement in sharpness and detail retention!
thanks for your video, actually iam thinking about to buy this lens for my s5, greetings from germany, gregor.
Thanks! it's a good lens.
I think its amazing all around lens with great pictures, doesn't see much (if any) difference with "pro" series.
70-200 is awesome as well. 50mm (for the price) is ok, but do not huge difference (I mean its great, but price is not very good). Just as general info.
I agree, it's a very good lens and a good value for money.
Renderman.pro, very interesting comment, and one that reinforces my decision to go with the 24-105 f/4 "kit" lens with the S1. As a sharpness fanatic, I'm usually hesitant to go with a zoom of this range, just because I value image sharpness and detail above other considerations, but from this and other comments, I think this lens is the exception to the rule! Thanks!
Hello I purchased today the S1R after a long battle with the A7RIV... Hope to had a good mind 😇
I'm sure you made the right choice😀
@@mattisulanto I am only impressed by the lens costs... I have now the NX1 and Sigma ad Quattro and I used for 6 months a M1 Mark II. The MFT has a lot of great and affordable lens, here I see it's almost premium and expensive.
Can please suggest?
@@fabrizio-6172 Take a look at the Sigma Contemporary series. Go to Sigma web site. Affordable and good.
I‘m a Landscape photographer and Look to the s System (and hopeing to the „Amazonas Black friday😉🤭). For me its very Interessting to have a f.4 Lens. And, what is Comming up. . . a 16-35 f.4 🤗
Saving Money for that 😜
All the best
Klaus
Thanks. Yes, the S1R especially a really nice camera if you are after great looking files.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455070-OREG/panasonic_dc_s1rbody_lumix_dc_s1r_mirrorless_digital.html
Very nice quality, I’m sure, but I have had it with full frame. I shoot Canon FF but if I were to switch, I think I would go Lumix.
Thanks for commenting.
Well what can I say, I am a Lumix GX9 girl with a full kit; I was about to buy a 24-105mm f4 today (not Lumix but Sony) and this video has put me right off it. I have already picked up the S1 with zoom in the photo shop thinking, hey this body will take my APS Leica TL lenses and I am a Lumix girl. Well it weighs a ton and looks like the equipment of a Nat Geo outside broadcast unit. Long story short, I was put off the L mount aliance completely and sold all my Leica last week. Problem: I was using my Leica TL2 with adapters to fit all my legacy Nikon and Voightlander MF lenses, what to do, even though my Nikon D700 isnt as heavy as a Lumix S1, its still heavy and the MFT sensor is too small to make best use of full frame lenses? So I bought a Sony A7 with 50mm f1.8 kit lens which was on offer and a Leica M adapter for my legacy lenses. So problem solved. Well how do I use cameras? I use primes and on my Lumix GX9 that means 17mm, 25mm and 45mm f1.7or8. For nature country walks and the Zoo I use the lovely Lumix 14-140mm. Nothing full frame is going to ever change that but I would like the option. So today I was going to buy the Zeiss 35mm f2.8 for the A7 and the Sony 24-105mm f4 for nature. Then I see your video reminding me what that lens is like. What it looks like is my Sony A7 is not going to the Zoo and that pleasure will be reserved for my GX9 with either the 45mm f1.8 or the 14-140mm. Long lenses and full frame just dont mix I think. As for lens design I couldnt disagree more strongly; all software correction degrades the image, its just a fact of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics so there isnt any point arguing about it. So software correction is a compromise. Well as far as I am concerned the choices made by modern lens designers are definately not to my taste so they can keep their big heavy full frame lenses (and that goes for Nikon and Canon too). If they used software correction to reduce size, reduce glass elements and reduce weight and increase microtones I would be first in the queue to buy but, I hate the image quality of these over sharp contrasty flat field lenses anyway which is why I buy classic lenses from the film era; they are perfectly corrected (there is no photoshop on a film enlarger) compact and drip microtones giving amazing depth and clarity in images rather than the fog filled bokeh nonsense that modern lenses are optimised for. My low glass MFT primes have this property too. I will be sticking with my lovely Lumix MFT kit. Have fun ;-)
P.S. Stop Press: Decided I will probably buy a Sony 85mm f1.8 instead for the Zoo and use my Pixel2 XL phone camera for the wide stuff. Conclusion, I wont be buying any full frame Zoom lenses. Thanks to your video I have clarified my thinking but alas, not the way you hoped from your video ;-)
Thanks for that extensive comment😀
You decide on what ever you think is the best for you😀
If you like small and versatile, you may like the SIGMA fortissimo pianissimo (fp)
@@fellowcitizen Its the lenses that are the problem not the camera body; I have a Leica T
Very balanced description, how do you feel from practical experience the lowlight characteristics of the SR1 with the kit lens. I like to photograph landscapes and cities at night.
Thanks for your comment. Based on my experience so far, I think the S1R with the kit lens would be a very good choice for you. Lots of pixels and a great image quality. You are using a tripod and long exposures, I guess. Illuminated buttons are nice also, if you work in dim light.
@@mattisulanto do back buttons go red like lcd in night mode?based off my g9
@@tattoobillyvon9764 The night mode changes only the screen or VF color to red. The buttons and the small display on top of the camera don't change color.
Can you add the extension tube and
2x teleconverter to this lens
Given you 48-210mm add to my
G9 with 100-400mm
I could carry both
No macro with the g9 & 100-400mm
I have not tried, but I think you can use extension tubes, but probably not TC.
You have too many Lumix cameras crowding your desk there -- I'll take one or two off of your hands to free up space! :-)
Thanks for the offer, but so far I can manage with desk space😀
Just for your information, the Lumix S 24 - 105mm isn't sold as a kit lens for all the S series cameras as stated above, in France anyway, to my disapointment the S1H and the Lumix S 24 - 105mm are sold with two seprerate price tickets ... :-(
Thanks for your comment. The S1H was just announced some weeks before I made the video, so I made a mistake not to check that. There can also sometime be geographical differentiation in products.
@@mattisulanto No worries I entirely understand, and would like to thank you for sharing your tests, opinions, experiences with us on TH-cam, as a novice myself just starting out your video is a great help, I have ordered the Lumix S1H with 24 - 105mm from Panasonic for my first experience in video.
My Panasonic G85 is my only digital mirrorless quality camera (I have a Nikon L26 for quick point-and-shoot, and a ton of old film cameras) -- and I tend to use the Lumix 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens in situations where I want photos as well as video of "unpredictable" subjects -- so the variable focal length is very useful. If I want to push to the wider apertures and narrower depth of field, I will swap out the 12-60mm with my 25mm f1.7 or my 42.5mm f1.7 -- those are good focal lengths and good wide aperture lenses. If I really have time to plan and set up my shots, then I have about (yikes!) 75 vintage 35mm lenses and adapters to use for manual exposure and manual focus.
How do you compare this lens with Leica 1260/2.8-4.0 in m4/3 world?
I find it's a bit difficult to compare micro4/3 and FF lenses, but I'd say these two lenses are similar optically.
Do the corrected RAWs still remain corrected when I use the "Adobe DNG Converter" & convert the RAWs directly into DNG-Files via this converter?
Yes, they do. But please test first before you convert your 368000 photos😀 It's easy enough to convert 5 photos and see what happens.
I’m wondering if this will be the kit lens for the S5? Maybe?
We will see at the S5 launch.
I am doubting between this one or the 28-70 2.8 for video in my s5.
How would it perform in low light with a constant F4?
Well, it performs one stop worse than the F2.8😀 In my opinion, you'd have to be filming in quite dim light before the F4 becomes a problem, but these are always kind of personal matters too. The 24-105mm is a very versatile range though and much better than the 24-70mm.
@@mattisulanto Im really considering it. Another thing is the weight (I do mostly weddings)
Thanks for your quick reply!
This lens is very soft at max telephoto at anything below F/8 aperture.
If your lens is soft, you have a bad copy and you should return it.
@@mattisulanto Yes, I already returned it. Will perhaps rent one in future to see if I get any different results. But I was very disappointed with the lens I returned.
May you share jpg setting for S1? - picture style
I'm going to have a video of that soon.
I love this lens but...
In iA and M-Video Mode the auto-focus works very good.... when i switch in the (Photo)M-Mode the camera is detecting face and eye correct but its not focusing on it. I dont know what i m doing wrong.... so i reset all settings but its still de same?
Can someone help me?
It's really difficult to diagnose your problem remotely, because I don't know exactly what and how your are shooting. I recommend you to install the latest firmware for your camera and lens and try different AF modes and see what works best for your situation.
Hey -- speaking of micro-four-thirds lenses -- is there an L-mount to micro-four-thirds adapter available or planned?
I don't think it's possible, because the distance from the mounting flange to the sensor is almost the same on the both systems. The L mount distance is only 0.75mm longer.
@@mattisulanto -- ahhh right, a direct (no optical elements) adapter would have no room. I wonder if a speed-booster design would be possible? The L-mount lenses seem to be very high quality and very sharp (and a bit expensive) -- it would be great to try them out on micro-four-thirds bodies....
I suppose it would be possible make some kind of adapter with lens elements, but I think it doesn't make sense, because there are so many great native lenses for the M43.
I ditched my Lumix 14-140 lens in favour of an Olympus 12-100 pro lens on my GX8 mainly as it’s weather proofed. It’s also much sharper but a little bigger but still ok compared to full frame cameras.
Thanks for commenting.
Olympus had a 12-60mm
About that size