I was never a G.D, fan, but after seeing a clip of the Dead playing and standard jazz tune, I think that musicianshipwise, they blow Steve Miller and the Ramones out of the water.
Even though I was a little boy in the 60s yes New York and San Francisco were day and night in rock music. Lou Reed seemed to have it out for almost everybody.
Steve Miller was critical of the band in the 1960's, he was right until they learned how to sing in tune. Miller opened for Grateful Dead for their 1992 Summer tour, so he couldn't have hated them that much.
All the years I been playing Bas, I was totally festinated in the different style of Bassists. Some of them were creative hero's and others just held on to the grove well. Looking back, I never had any interest in Greatful Dead stuff so I passed on giving Phil a listen. As time goes on, I still cannot get into playing a Grateful Dead tunes. Especially while I seem to find all these Dead-Head players Locked, Ball in dedicated Dead Fans ye they don't know how to play anything else !
I think that those enormous solos improvisations are very very boring, but I really love The Grateful Dead doing country-rock. Workman's Dead and American Beauty albums are outstanding.
You either understood the Grateful Dead or you didn't. They had a unique gumbo of country, jazz, blues and rock n roll. Most bands didn't have a pallet that large. Having said that, if we can blame the Grateful Dead for anything it can be for the rise of second generation jambands that have nothing new to say.
Jerry Garcia was never the "leader" of the Grateful Dead, that title was foisted on him by the media, he NEVER wanted that moniker. As far as the "musicians" who hated The Dead, I saw Steve Miller, ironically he was opening for the Grateful Dead on their entire summer tour, The Rolling Stones and Ramones, never got around to Kurt Cobain and Friends or The Velvet Underground, who were, like The Dead, named The Warlocks early in their career. I still like Steve Miller, he came onstage and tried to play with The Dead, so so result. The Stones, the one time I saw them were horrid. The opener Living Colour, blew them off the stage, not even close. The Ramones were their own thing, saw them three times, they were fun at least. And not exactly "clean cut". LOL.
Toured the Dead from 1986 to the very last show at Soldier Field 1995. Best 9 years of my life. And to my friends that I have met along the way, they are still my friends and we still party with each other to this day. We're old now but we still party harder than the young'ns today for sure.
That was my era for seeing GD as well. Saw like 25 shows from 88 to 95 and a handful of GD related shows since. Late 80s and 90 w brent were easily the best shows i saw. Such great music to see live and great atmosphere°
Hey, the velvet Underground didn't like Hippie Bands because they thought they were phony. I love the Grateful Dead because they weren't so commercial. They didn't get a whole lot of radio play either but that's just made it so cool that they are still talked about while the other bands have to keep touring to be noticed. My friend told me years ago that Phish was just as good if not better. It's just a thing with people. They want the three minutes of music. I guess you could say they don't want the romance just the porn LOL.
Different ethos, different genres, even very different times in the case of Nirvana and the Dead. I never saw Nirvana or the Ramones, and only have seen Lou Reed and John Cale solo (albeit several times each) post-Velvet Underground. I saw the Dead and Jerry Garcia solo some 40-50 times ca. 1977-1992 and the Stones a few times ca. 1981-2007. The old print media, and now social media, love to make hay out of this sort of "who hated who" in the past, but it was all irrelevant then, except to sell issues of Rolling Stone. And it's still mostly irrelevant now, unless you still need to realise that rock musicians do not constitute a united global brother/sisterhood. I love all of these bands and am vinyl completists when it comes to the Dead, VU and the Stones. It is well known that Keith and Lou hated almost everyone besides themselves and their own respective bands. So what? Jerry also disliked many artists, including the Doors, whom he hated passionately as total phonies, and Eddy van Halen, whose guitar playing he respected but deemed too technical or clinical (i.e. soulless). Again, so what? Just enjoy the music they al bequeathed to us!
Sorry Keith Richards but Jerry's "poodling" beats your mediocre "riffs" any day. You should take note that the most interesting period of the Stones career was with Mick Taylor, who had a great poodle in the middle of Can't you hear me knocking You should give St Stephen and the Eleven another listen.
@@obecean Steve Miller- His two great accomplishments were Living in the USA and yelling "somebody give me a cheeseburger! That, and introducing a really great artist to the world, Boz Skaggs
So I will start by saying I love the Stones and Lou Reed. I also enjoy Steve Miller, Nirvana and the Ramones. Same for Frank Zappa. But what do many of them have in common? They are all decidedly negative when discussing others. You don't get many quotes about who they admire among their peers. Keef and Lou may be the worst among them for this. Meanwhile, the Dead were about positivity and community. They were never bigger than their fans and their music. BTW, as guitar players go, Jerry Garcia was playing 3D chess while Keith and these other guys played checkers. None of them had a bass player anywhere close to Phil. The Dead were/are great musicians, songwriters and performers
If you listen caressly the first album of Grateful Dead you know they are authentic and great. But they have different band versions with different musicians, that´s why it´s necessary to analize that different times of the band and his works. Grateful dead is a longtime rock band and you can not revise them in a fast look. It´s injust. Also the last works of Rolling are really boring. The same with the last works of Who. Once said this you can advice that G D, are a unique and interesting rock band. Jerry is a fabulous guitar master.
Yes, they were like a skiffle band, and a composite of every genre of American music-blues, country, folk, rock, jazz. Jerry Garcia was right when he called the Rolling Stones too commercial
I suppose it's all just a matter of taste. I've never been able to understand the appeal. For me they were tedious and utterly uninspired. A hugely overrated band!!
Everybody's got an opinion...I love the Dead, Stones, VU, Steve Miller, Ramones, Nirvana. They all have their own distinct sound, style, aesthetics, and all wrote their share of great songs. Quit carping about your talented peers and spin a few of today's culturally & artistically empty cotton candy crap hits if u want to "criticize"!
@zomielastaroth4956 A band that had one of the greatest concert touring runs of any rock band in history. No other group ever came close to having a dedicated fan base.
Never saw them live eh zombieboy? Don't criticize what you don't know. You might even like it if you give them a listen. Maybe, if you're open minded enough.
Who gives a fuck about all of this? Either you like them or you don't, or you really don't give a shit one way or the other. And if it matters to you so much that the opinions of Steve Miller, Keith Richards, Johnny or Dee Dee Ramone, Kurt Cobain or Lou Reed affect your opinion of the Grateful Dead's music, then seriously, you need to figure out who you really are.
The real reason that a lot of big-time musicians dislike the Grateful Dead is because they were willing to share their music free of charge.
I was never a G.D, fan, but after seeing a clip of the Dead playing and standard jazz tune, I think that musicianshipwise, they blow Steve Miller and the Ramones out of the water.
Ramones are overrated.
@@andynaz5631 Ramones Rule!! 😃
@@andynaz5631 yep. Three chord rubbish.
Absolutely right And if I ever hear the Joker on oldies radio again, I'll puke
The TOP 5 Musicians Who not and will never understand their sheer brilliance !
Think outside the box of a 1,4,5 progression !
Even though I was a little boy in the 60s yes New York and San Francisco were day and night in rock music. Lou Reed seemed to have it out for almost everybody.
Steve Miller was critical of the band in the 1960's, he was right until they learned how to sing in tune. Miller opened for Grateful Dead for their 1992 Summer tour, so he couldn't have hated them that much.
Ironically, Lou Reed, Nirvana, and The Ramones really do suck 😁
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i think they are all wrong
All the years I been playing Bas, I was totally festinated in the different style of Bassists.
Some of them were creative hero's and others just held on to the grove well.
Looking back, I never had any interest in Greatful Dead stuff so I passed on giving Phil a listen.
As time goes on, I still cannot get into playing a Grateful Dead tunes. Especially while I seem to find all these Dead-Head players Locked, Ball in dedicated Dead Fans ye they don't know how to play anything else !
I think that those enormous solos improvisations are very very boring, but I really love The Grateful Dead doing country-rock. Workman's Dead and American Beauty albums are outstanding.
Their loss.
You either understood the Grateful Dead or you didn't. They had a unique gumbo of country, jazz, blues and rock n roll. Most bands didn't have a pallet that large.
Having said that, if we can blame the Grateful Dead for anything it can be for the rise of second generation jambands that have nothing new to say.
Jerry Garcia was never the "leader" of the Grateful Dead, that title was foisted on him by the media, he NEVER wanted that moniker. As far as the "musicians" who hated The Dead, I saw Steve Miller, ironically he was opening for the Grateful Dead on their entire summer tour, The Rolling Stones and Ramones, never got around to Kurt Cobain and Friends or The Velvet Underground, who were, like The Dead, named The Warlocks early in their career. I still like Steve Miller, he came onstage and tried to play with The Dead, so so result. The Stones, the one time I saw them were horrid. The opener Living Colour, blew them off the stage, not even close. The Ramones were their own thing, saw them three times, they were fun at least. And not exactly "clean cut". LOL.
Toured the Dead from 1986 to the very last show at Soldier Field 1995. Best 9 years of my life. And to my friends that I have met along the way, they are still my friends and we still party with each other to this day. We're old now but we still party harder than the young'ns today for sure.
That was my era for seeing GD as well. Saw like 25 shows from 88 to 95 and a handful of GD related shows since. Late 80s and 90 w brent were easily the best shows i saw. Such great music to see live and great atmosphere°
@@andrewstevens8946 '88, '89 and '91 Summer Tours was my "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" moment.
Hey, the velvet Underground didn't like Hippie Bands because they thought they were phony. I love the Grateful Dead because they weren't so commercial. They didn't get a whole lot of radio play either but that's just made it so cool that they are still talked about while the other bands have to keep touring to be noticed. My friend told me years ago that Phish was just as good if not better. It's just a thing with people. They want the three minutes of music. I guess you could say they don't want the romance just the porn LOL.
Different ethos, different genres, even very different times in the case of Nirvana and the Dead. I never saw Nirvana or the Ramones, and only have seen Lou Reed and John Cale solo (albeit several times each) post-Velvet Underground. I saw the Dead and Jerry Garcia solo some 40-50 times ca. 1977-1992 and the Stones a few times ca. 1981-2007. The old print media, and now social media, love to make hay out of this sort of "who hated who" in the past, but it was all irrelevant then, except to sell issues of Rolling Stone. And it's still mostly irrelevant now, unless you still need to realise that rock musicians do not constitute a united global brother/sisterhood. I love all of these bands and am vinyl completists when it comes to the Dead, VU and the Stones. It is well known that Keith and Lou hated almost everyone besides themselves and their own respective bands. So what? Jerry also disliked many artists, including the Doors, whom he hated passionately as total phonies, and Eddy van Halen, whose guitar playing he respected but deemed too technical or clinical (i.e. soulless). Again, so what? Just enjoy the music they al bequeathed to us!
The only thing in this video I find truthful is Keith remarking how "Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band"
album was trash.
Sorry Keith Richards but Jerry's "poodling" beats your mediocre "riffs" any day. You should take note that the most interesting period of the Stones career was with Mick Taylor, who had a great poodle in the middle of Can't you hear me knocking You should give St Stephen and the Eleven another listen.
I saw Steve Miller open for GD @UNLV Silver Bowl. Keith Richards ..lol…💉Rapper DeeDee ”53rd&Third” Ramone ?
I bet Lou’s wife Laurie Anderson digs GD!
@@obecean Steve Miller- His two great accomplishments were Living in the USA and yelling "somebody give me a cheeseburger! That, and introducing a really great artist to the world, Boz Skaggs
So I will start by saying I love the Stones and Lou Reed. I also enjoy Steve Miller, Nirvana and the Ramones. Same for Frank Zappa. But what do many of them have in common? They are all decidedly negative when discussing others. You don't get many quotes about who they admire among their peers. Keef and Lou may be the worst among them for this. Meanwhile, the Dead were about positivity and community. They were never bigger than their fans and their music. BTW, as guitar players go, Jerry Garcia was playing 3D chess while Keith and these other guys played checkers. None of them had a bass player anywhere close to Phil. The Dead were/are great musicians, songwriters and performers
Grew up in early 70s the dead extremely overrated just an acid and shroom party feeling up the space of talent!🍄
You hit it right on the nose
He bad mouth Sgt Pepper? yea the guy was definitley on some kind of drugs, and probably didnt have a record to compete with that particular album
If you listen caressly the first album of Grateful Dead you know they are authentic and great. But they have different band versions with different musicians, that´s why it´s necessary to analize that different times of the band and his works. Grateful dead is a longtime rock band and you can not revise them in a fast look. It´s injust. Also the last works of Rolling are really boring. The same with the last works of Who. Once said this you can advice that G D, are a unique and interesting rock band. Jerry is a fabulous guitar master.
Skills and pure technique are not everything that make a band, or good music.
Yup, heavy metal tossers, surprised by Steve Millar, Keef can only play in open G, anyone can do that on the nod.
Hey, 3 out of the 5 were punk band members LOL
There music is awesome fun, scary,trippy and good feelings!!. Not to many bands take u there.!! 🙌🎸🎹🎻🙏🚬🎉♥️💐🔥🍄⚡🇺🇲
Yes, they were like a skiffle band, and a composite of every genre of American music-blues, country, folk, rock, jazz. Jerry Garcia was right when he called the Rolling Stones too commercial
the first two dead albums are better than anything steve miller put out keith richards heroin junkie
The Dead was a far superior band, particularly onstage in a live setting, to these "haters."
I suppose it's all just a matter of taste. I've never been able to understand the appeal. For me they were tedious and utterly uninspired. A hugely overrated band!!
Everybody's got an opinion...I love the Dead, Stones, VU, Steve Miller, Ramones, Nirvana. They all have their own distinct sound, style, aesthetics, and all wrote their share of great songs. Quit carping about your talented peers and spin a few of today's culturally & artistically empty cotton candy crap hits if u want to "criticize"!
Greatful Dead. Fun as death. One of the worst and most overrated bands ever.
@zomielastaroth4956 A band that had one of the greatest concert touring runs of any rock band in history. No other group ever came close to having a dedicated fan base.
Never saw them live eh zombieboy? Don't criticize what you don't know. You might even like it if you give them a listen. Maybe, if you're open minded enough.
They sux
Who gives a fuck about all of this?
Either you like them or you don't, or you really don't give a shit one way or the other.
And if it matters to you so much that the opinions of Steve Miller, Keith Richards, Johnny or Dee Dee Ramone, Kurt Cobain or Lou Reed affect your opinion of the Grateful Dead's music, then seriously, you need to figure out who you really are.
Good one. So true.