Two Delta Planes CLIP WINGTIPS on taxi and push!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2024
- 28-MAR-2024
It seems like there was some confusion during the shift change of Ground controllers at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.
While Delta Airlines flight DL1460, an Airbus A320-212 (N344NW), was taxiing for Runway 30L, Delta Air Lines Flight 1104, another Airbus A320 (N345NW), completing its pushback at the same time, resulting in a collision of their wingtips.
Both Airbus A320s returned to their gates.
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DL 1104 was pushing back from G4. As a retired ramper and pushback instructor who has worked that gate, typically the flight deck would advise us to NOT block taxiway Alpha. To accommodate this, we would complete the push, then pull the aircraft clear of the chicane to avoid this exact scenario. Without seeing the actual ramp camera video, it's only speculating to lay blame. Drug tests all around! ☕
Seeing you worked there! Why wouldn't the ramp from 1104 wait for that flight to pass? Or why didn't that wing walker stay with that aircraft to make sure this didn't happen
@@davidsmiths5471 You'd have to ask them. Lots of variables.
Well how many varibles? @@Mark-pp7jy
My rule is: if there’s any doubt about clearance… stop and get confirmation.
Even in a 321 you can see the last few feet of the wingtip from the sliding window. I’ll even open it to get an even better view of the wingtip. That’s just me though.
I’m so mad I missed this. Worked for 12 days straight in hellish weather, and then on the first day I have off something interesting happens. Like, bruh.
I do not... I mean, I know this is a graphic and not real life, but how does 1460 keep going with that narrowed area and the pushed back 1104? How is there no ground staff to warn away 1460? And regardless of ground staff, instructions or no, one would think the Captain would be a slight bit concerned about clearance in that case and stop the plane, maybe request taxi reroute to A7 - W7 - W to the runway?
I'm sure I'm completely wrong, sorry to bother. :|
Just poor training and management
@@davidsmiths5471 It's not a perfect world David, and you're making ignorant statements.
@@Mark-pp7jy Please explain how my statement is ignorant! A well trained ramp would have waited to push 1104 and let 1460 pass behind or stop 1460 after push back ,that why you have wing walkers to avoid things like this! Good management tries to avoid putting flights and aircraft at gates were this type of scenario might happen! Your right it is not a prefect world! But these passengers that pay a lot of money to fly and put their lives in the hands of these rampers might like perfection though!
Just curious, have you worked on a ramp before?
@@davidsmiths5471 I have not. Not sure why this is important, but I'm now curious to your reason for asking the question, if you'd care to tell me.
Sisters colliding with each other. That's a coincidence lol.
I think I can squeeze through, watch this
Someone's clearly in a hurry to get home...well now he ll stay there for a bit .
What was 1460 thinking good luck explaning that one to the the chief pilots
Is there a reason 1460 couldn't stop before risking the contact? This one seems avoidable I'm not sure 1104 could have done anything.
Wait to push actually
1460 was moving forward you would think they would notice an airbus before they hit it.@@davidsmiths5471
True, but a good ramp would know this plane was coming in and wait,or at least keep a wingwalker out there! So this type of thing wouldn't happen
just a question.. Like in this case, are the pilots required to do a drug test after each incident. Just asking. Now days if you are able to look at the pilot as you enter the aircraft, look at his eyes. If dilated then there is something on board, like a CNS stimulant.
They should, and the ramp of 1104!
Kids, this is a perfect example of why just the tip is still dangerous
Ground control causes this.
1460 couldn't just stop?
They are staffed with Democrats.
They had some part, have to blame ramp on this also
Everyone except 1104 had a part in this. Wing walkers in congested areas are used to prevent this kind of problem.
@@scpvrr Explain please?
So this was same-airline nonconsentual frotting basically. Welp.
Stupid pilots , why risk it , never rush the aircraft good thing they didn’t wait an extra minute , shame the union will keep his job ,
Are you serious? 😂 you can’t be that oblivious man, this one is 100% the ground controller’s fault. Jesus
@@Mr.Wednesday. he is ultimately in charge of the plane his fault
@@Hot1765 you obviously don’t in the rules about staying in the paint. It’s impossible to tell where your tips are, they rely on ground controllers to ensure no other aircraft’s wings will be encroaching into their zones, you can’t know foofoo. What tf do you know? I literally just asked my dad, major airline pilot of 43 years… On the board of directors… I’ll take his work over some turd named Hot1765 that just makes baseless statements
I'm going with with ramp first,then the crew of the other aircraft!
@@Mr.Wednesday.Explain how the ground controllers can see every wing tip at every gate?
Boeing…
Bro, they are both airbus 320’s
@@vinay-xw3zplol I know Bro, I was joking.. lol
@@thomasaltruda It's always Boeing's fault. Toast got burned? Boeing...