Your video helped me discover a batch of fake Morgan's I'd been holding for awhile now. As unfortunate as it was to find out, nobody wants to have fakes in their collection. Thank you for taking the time to share this invaluable knowledge!
Great information. My money clip is a 1879 Morgan. My grandfather's grandfather gave it to him and it's now my priceless item. Store clerks ask about it often when I whip it out to snag a credit card.
I'm new to Morgan's. I picked up 21 common dates for melt with wear ranging from significant to almost none. I tested mine on a sigma metalytics precious metal verifier at the LCS, ping tested them with the bullion test app, (they all passed) and weight tested them. The most severe wear came in at 25.2g (the coin has almost no visible details, pretty much just a slick). The least wear at 26.7g. I was alarmed by 25.2g before further testing. I guess that justified because that's right about what a high quality fake weighs. Thanks for showing up what to look for with a loop. I've been wondering what are 'natural' features and fabricated. This helped!
Priceless information. Thanks. In my experience, most of the fakes I come across have a difficult time matching the obverse to the reverse. Take any point on a real Morgan put a rubber band around the coin at that point and the reverse side of the coin will be in a different position on the fake when you place the rubber band in the same position. Please let me know if you have the same experience. I've found that a magnet, rubber band, along with a real Morgan will weed out the majority of the fakes. Any honest Ebay seller will send you pictures or video showing the correct placement-obverse to reverse.
Hello and thank you for the information you provided. I am an American living in Italy and recently came upon a letter with an 1894, no stamp, silver dollar which was included in a bag of letters my gr8 grandfather sent to my gr8 grandmother...as he began traveling back and forth from Italy to the USA in 1890. His letter, which dissolved rather quickly due to its being 130 years old, stuck in the back of a drawer. When it arrived in Italy, it was initially kept in the house my grandfather grew up in....above the cows and sheep. After WWII, they moved to a "modern" home that my gr8 grandmother and her 2 remaining children who were unmarried so they lived with her, and that house is mine, today. This was on its own in the letter written in 1895, but I also found, a few days later, a bunch of Kennedy half dollars from about 1964, which is unimportant. I did all the tests you did and my dollar passed. A question, though. Mine weighs exactly 27 grams...a few grams above what you stated it should weigh. Overweight. Is that a negative? I also note, though I have made no attempt to clean it as every site for collectors states, not suggests, but states, that they should never be cleaned but left AS IS. I have left it as is but I noted when I photographed it and blew it up, that one wing on the eagle is a shade off color. Is that from age? Could it be? I believe most sincerely that this dollar has not been in circulation outside, perhaps the year it was minted, apparently in Philly, given no stamp being there. It would not have been circulated here in Italy given that it was still in the letter received by my gr8 grandmother and that it could not be circulated in Italy or any mini kingdoms within Italy at that time. Plus, my gr8 grandmother nor her children ever left, in their lives, the village they grew up in, which is today, an hour and a half drive from any large town in Italy. In the mountains. So, the weight being 4 grams more than you specified...the off color mm in the wing....would this disprove it from being real? I would appreciate any help you might give as I am in rather dire straights, here, and wish to sell it. Will help with a roof! Thank you, in advance, and 'buon giorno'! - Gary
may i ask sir,is there any fake coins that doesnt stuck on magnet?or if the coins doesnt stuck on magnet theres a possibility thats its authentic sir.i hoping for your reply sir.thank you sir!
of course. a slipping magnet down the face will show it. Those are available from aliexpress and I look to see whats new. Sometimes they do not have rim bars, either
I bought 6 Morgan Dollars from 1879, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1900 and 1921 and 17 Peace Dollars 1922-1926 here in Germany today in a pawn shop for a total price of €460, which is €20 each, which is €2.45 more than the spot i think the price is ok for all 23 coins 460€ equals 507$ and 20€ a piece equals 22$ what do you think about the price was it a bargain? how much do the coins cost at your pawn shop in the usa?
I am new to this but about a year ago, I accidentally bought 2 fake coins for my son from a dealer at antique store. It wasn't until we got home that we realized the coins were fake (fortunately we didn't pay much). I was disappointed and pissed but since my 16 year old liked the fake coins we just let it be. Especially since "All sales are final" with that dealer (never went back to him again obviously). I now want to diversify my portfolio even more by adding metals, I don't want a repeat of the fake coin incident. So my question... Can I run some of these tests at a coin dealer's shop or will they just kick me out for even attempting to? Because if I'm in a shop, I will not buy coins without magnet, loop, scale etc. Being ripped off once for $30.00 was enough. I don't want to find out I've invested 10K in buying Silver & Gold only to find out it's mostly fake.
What do you consider the threshold for weight and wear on a silver coin? Up to say perhaps -0.5 grams? Assuming it has retained its coin edge, and hasn't been shaved, or it hasn't been mauled from being used in jewelry clamps.
I used to collect Matchbox cars and I was burned by a fake , It doesn't matter what you collect. How hard would it be to make fake base ball cards it you had a printing shop ?
Watch Pawn Stars and see how much fake of anything is brought in there, I'm just disappointed in mankind that they go over such an extent of work to cheat others.
I am no professional but every fake i have seen screws up the top feather of the arrow in the eagle's talons. It is always much bigger and triangular compared to the very thin top feather on the real coin. Am i wrong?
I've just gotten a 1904 coin which is really worn, with next to no details and is at 25g (regular kitchen scale) the amount worn off makes sense for about 1.5-7 grams removed from mint target weight
Took my fake morgan back to where I purchased it. They offered to buy it back, I refused. This shall be one less item out of our hobby. And it will be used as a educational tool how ever I can implement it. Stack long stack often FREE MARKET MANAGERS for LIFE!
I got a Morgan silver dollar 1881 no mint mark it looks great but sticks to the magnetic I bought it from some desperate guy in the street then again I live in Tijuana any thing is possible I'm trying to sale my coin
Is there a market for fakes. I never knew that's silver dollars had fakes thank you I learned a lot. How can I get ahold of a fake silver dollar cheap. I would like to have a few with different problems as a reminder and a teaching tool.
Just subscribed. 😉👍 Good video but I would like to have seen the real ones under the scope more. Mainly bc the best way to spot a fake one is to know exactly what a genuine coin looks like. They do that when finding counterfeit currency too. They used to teach the experts about this counterfeit and that counterfeit, but then there were so many counterfeits that it got terribly hard to remember all of the intricacies of each type. So they had the idea that they would just and ONLY teach their people about the GENUINE ones, so as to thoroughly engrain the aspects of the real ones into their mind. Once they did that, the fakes got spotted so much more easily than they were before their training their experts had their new knowledge and more keen sights set on the genuine ones. It's really quite awesome how that that all went down. Would you please make a video that nails down exactly what a genuine Morgan looks like and ONLY genuine Morgans? (with no fakes on the video please) That would stick in my head better and it probably would help others that way too. What do you think? Thanks for your time and efforts.
Good Question: Barely any... usually they're just given to me. I did buy a fake one at a yard sale once though, but I think I only paid a dollar for it (I don't 100% recall). Thanks for the question and for checking out the channel!
Silver Seeker ....overall though, if I am picking up “junk” silver, should I be concerned with anything that I get? I try to buy predominantly from my LCS, but in this day and age should I be suspicious of pretty much everything?
Great video. Now I feel like I have no business buying coins and more so than I did before😂 I’ll be watching more of your videos for sure! Have a great day.
@@jimwhite6419 lol… yes ! I agree .. (don’t want to scare you) but they also fake these! So be careful… running the serial number thru the registry available on line will let you know if its real thought! Dont let all these things scare you from collecting thou … its a great hobby and investment!
Thanks for the video. Question is my silver round copper or is copper round silver. I used the magnet slide test on my silver round and then my copper round, my magnet did the same thing on both coins.
Wouldnt you LOVE to catch the folks faking these? And just BEAT the LIVINGSHIT out of them over and over and over again? Keep them awake for a week straight without food....hit them 20x a day with a cattle prod....tatoo their face with "i suckdog dicks" or whatever
Are these Chinese fakes? I see a lot of these sold on different auction sites, such as "Tophat", but at least their identified as "replica". I do see people bidding these up to real Morgan prices. My question is, do they silver plate the coins? Is there any silver on the surface?
So question, I have a 1900 no mm Morgan and it weighs about 27 grams! It’ll definitely silver and has wear and isn’t magnetic. What can you tell me about it being over weight even being 119 years old?! Thanks
Are you sure your scale is accurate? Also check that it's a scale that handles weights under 1 gram, otherwise it's just going to round up, and your coin would be good (26.7 would round to 27). I would make sure you get a jewelers scale if that's not what you're already using.
I brought it to my local coin shop. He used his scale there. It was actually a little over 27 but I used an X-ray machine at my work and it didn’t pick up nickel or anything but silver and you can hear it ringing when you tap it. The coin shop said he’d be weary of it.
Yea in that case I'd be weary... There are fake morgans made out of real coin silver... altho I'm not sure why they'd fake that one tho. It's a common date unless it gets in the WAY high grades. But either way, yea, I'd be weary too.
On 1795 flowing hair silver dollars there were 8 obverse and 8 reverse dies. They were not neccesfilly used together leaving 21 possible die varieties or marriages known as B numbers after Bolender who followed Hazeltine in tbe early to 1800s. Coin collecting was considered weird back then. You start with berries And leaves on the reverse and connect to the crackz and defecfive lettering and file markings you are using to determine fakes to categorize 1795 PCGS lowing hairs, my specialty along with gems. 🐥🙋
Heya bud! There are alot of fakes coming out of China right now. I can't say for sure that this one came from there, but that's where alot of them are coming from for sure! I'll probably release more videos on this in the future, so keep your eyes peeled.
Hey. New to stacking. But quick question. Just bought my Morgan and peace dollar from JM Bullion. If I am buying from a reputable dealer is it safe to assume they are not fake?
Yes if you got them from JM rest assured they are real. They have experts that check all their coins. They wouldnt risk hurting their name by selling fake coins.
When I do the ping test I put a coin on my finger, then take a coin and lightly tao, if it has a nice high pitched sound that's a good sgin with not that is a bad sgin.
Thanks for the info/knowledge on spotting fakes! I bought an 1895-S and even the it has passed the scale, magnetic and a sound test I still have my doubts. It's me thinking it's just to good to be true!
I just received a 1943 steel penny now that I'm watching this video I recall seeing what looks like mold pops but I will have to check the weight but why would they fake Steel
Is the ice test true where u take ice put it on silver if it melts fast its real if it dont its fake I have taken a known piece of pure silver 999 and tested it out on it and it melted superfast well I took another piece that I knew that was fake did it and it didn't melt fast at all but then I took the Morgan dollar that I just got and put the ice on it and it melted exactly the same speed as the other one I also set a piece of ice out to the side to see if it was just hot or what the one that was sitting on the counter did not hardly melt at all but the ice on the known pure silver melted at the same rate as the Morgan dollar that I just got
There are fake slabs, but it's less likely. With slabs you can always go to PCGS or NGC's website and type in the slab serial number to make sure everything matches up. But most importantly, look at the feedback of the seller, read some of the comments, see how long he's been in business on eBay etc. That's the best way to be sure in my opinion.
Well, 100 years ago it woukd have been valued at 1 dollar and the equipment youd need and knowledge tells me it was VERY rare compared to today. And today i can buy all the materiald and equipment necessary to make fakes like these for a few hundred to less then 2grand. It costs about .25cents in material to make that coin and resell it for 20-50 for commons, and rare and hard to finds can fetch hundreds if not thousands of dollars. If i made 400 fake common coins and sold em at 20$ a pop my profit just paid for all the materiald and super high end equipment. So long story short its makes more sense and theres more profit today then their was 100 or even 30 years ago
Hey Sivler Seeker, Happy Easter!! Yesterday I found yet ANOTHER NINE MORGAN'S ALL MINT S, they are in FANTASTIC shape ! I was wondering is that good? Someone had burried them in a bag with the thick plastic cases and I have no clue why. Maybe they were going through a divorce? They are all super shiney with no scratch marks I can see. Are they worth a decent amount do you think? I could look and see the dates if that would help. They all passed the ping test. I'm waiting for my scale & maget to do further testing. I'd make a video on it but can't cause I live in a Hud apartment, they would try to steal them from me if they knew I had anything valuable. Thanks!
Hi there I like your video.I bought 4 Morgan dollar coins and 2 of them weighted 271 each and the other 2 weighted 267 but when I tried to put a magnet to all of them it had no problem sticking to each of the coins.So I'm stuck with 4 fake coins.
I guessed right...But when you grabbed that first pile I thought you said you were grabbing the real silver...:)...An ear that can hear high pitch frequencies can detect it easy...I balance a silver coin on my finger and strike it with another coin...it's night and day the sound...TINNNNNNGGGG...:)
That nice bright audio tone for the real ones... What a nice sound! The fake ones: did you buy them knowing they were fake and/or did you contact the secret service over them and/or did you just take a loss? Just curious.
You're mis-understanding my friend... it's normal for a Morgan to not have a mint mark at all, that means it's a Philadelphia. They didn't put a mint mark on their silver dollars, so it would be blank.
Those “bubbles” and “pops” in the pour coin, fyi, that’s referred to at porosity in the business….meaning the business of melting/pouring metal. Don’t ask me precious metal questions I’ve only worn with aluminum and steel
Good video very informative. But let's say you're at a flea market the guy has a display of lot of silver coins in two by two flips. Do you think he's going to let you take them apart and weigh them and measure them? That would be a problem if not. They are making pretty good fakes nowadays.
I do collect them, but I don’t keep them with the real ones. I actually use them as a decoy because a thief is defiantly not going to know Morgan’s so well they can tell instantly that they are fake. On the other hand I have gotten quite good at weeding them out rather quick without even pinging them or magnet sliding them. Tell ya a secret though, that COPY on the reverse is a dead giveaway. Got an 1884 s that’s a great counterfeit it just can’t pass the ping or magnet, but someone made some good ones many years ago.
agree .. (don’t want to scare you) but they also fake these! So be careful… running the serial number thru the registry available on line will let you know if its real thought! Dont let all these things scare you from collecting thou … its a great hobby and investment!
When is the first known fakes? I realize fakes have been done since the inception of coins but. Is there a period in U.S. history that it became an indusry for morgans?
Thanks for the info. I've collected silver coins for decades but I wouldn't call my self an expert, just a silver coin nut. I have bought many coins online and luckily was only burned once. New it was a fake as soon as I held it in my hand.
Your video helped me discover a batch of fake Morgan's I'd been holding for awhile now. As unfortunate as it was to find out, nobody wants to have fakes in their collection. Thank you for taking the time to share this invaluable knowledge!
Totally fake or still silver and altered?
Excellent video. One of the best I've seen on overall helpfulness of real vs fake Morgans (relative to the time of the video). Thank you.
Great information. My money clip is a 1879 Morgan. My grandfather's grandfather gave it to him and it's now my priceless item.
Store clerks ask about it often when I whip it out to snag a credit card.
I'm new to Morgan's. I picked up 21 common dates for melt with wear ranging from significant to almost none. I tested mine on a sigma metalytics precious metal verifier at the LCS, ping tested them with the bullion test app, (they all passed) and weight tested them. The most severe wear came in at 25.2g (the coin has almost no visible details, pretty much just a slick). The least wear at 26.7g. I was alarmed by 25.2g before further testing. I guess that justified because that's right about what a high quality fake weighs.
Thanks for showing up what to look for with a loop. I've been wondering what are 'natural' features and fabricated. This helped!
Thx - your weight testing helps -
Priceless information. Thanks. In my experience, most of the fakes I come across have a difficult time matching the obverse to the reverse. Take any point on a real Morgan put a rubber band around the coin at that point and the reverse side of the coin will be in a different position on the fake when you place the rubber band in the same position. Please let me know if you have the same experience. I've found that a magnet, rubber band, along with a real Morgan will weed out the majority of the fakes. Any honest Ebay seller will send you pictures or video showing the correct placement-obverse to reverse.
I love how referencing a fidget spinner immediately dates a video to 2017 lol
What kind of coin camera are you using? Are you able to take even closer pics of varieties and errors for listing on eBay? Thanks.
Hello and thank you for the information you provided. I am an American living in Italy and recently came upon a letter with an 1894, no stamp, silver dollar which was included in a bag of letters my gr8 grandfather sent to my gr8 grandmother...as he began traveling back and forth from Italy to the USA in 1890. His letter, which dissolved rather quickly due to its being 130 years old, stuck in the back of a drawer. When it arrived in Italy, it was initially kept in the house my grandfather grew up in....above the cows and sheep. After WWII, they moved to a "modern" home that my gr8 grandmother and her 2 remaining children who were unmarried so they lived with her, and that house is mine, today. This was on its own in the letter written in 1895, but I also found, a few days later, a bunch of Kennedy half dollars from about 1964, which is unimportant. I did all the tests you did and my dollar passed. A question, though. Mine weighs exactly 27 grams...a few grams above what you stated it should weigh. Overweight. Is that a negative? I also note, though I have made no attempt to clean it as every site for collectors states, not suggests, but states, that they should never be cleaned but left AS IS. I have left it as is but I noted when I photographed it and blew it up, that one wing on the eagle is a shade off color. Is that from age? Could it be? I believe most sincerely that this dollar has not been in circulation outside, perhaps the year it was minted, apparently in Philly, given no stamp being there. It would not have been circulated here in Italy given that it was still in the letter received by my gr8 grandmother and that it could not be circulated in Italy or any mini kingdoms within Italy at that time. Plus, my gr8 grandmother nor her children ever left, in their lives, the village they grew up in, which is today, an hour and a half drive from any large town in Italy. In the mountains. So, the weight being 4 grams more than you specified...the off color mm in the wing....would this disprove it from being real? I would appreciate any help you might give as I am in rather dire straights, here, and wish to sell it. Will help with a roof! Thank you, in advance, and 'buon giorno'! - Gary
The 1880 was the Sylvester Stallone lips error. Very sought after. Lol
may i ask sir,is there any fake coins that doesnt stuck on magnet?or if the coins doesnt stuck on magnet theres a possibility thats its authentic sir.i hoping for your reply sir.thank you sir!
Yep. I think there's an coin app that when it detects the Sly snarl it will yell out ..........ADRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!
of course. a slipping magnet down the face will show it. Those are available from aliexpress and I look to see whats new. Sometimes they do not have rim bars, either
I bought 6 Morgan Dollars from 1879, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1900 and 1921 and 17 Peace Dollars 1922-1926 here in Germany today in a pawn shop for a total price of €460, which is €20 each, which is €2.45 more than the spot i think the price is ok for all 23 coins 460€ equals 507$
and 20€ a piece equals 22$ what do you think about the price was it a bargain? how much do the coins cost at your pawn shop in the usa?
I need to watch this every couple of months.
Yo 1883
Thank you , where did you get your scope and what is it called and how many power?
I am new to this but about a year ago, I accidentally bought 2 fake coins for my son from a dealer at antique store. It wasn't until we got home that we realized the coins were fake (fortunately we didn't pay much). I was disappointed and pissed but since my 16 year old liked the fake coins we just let it be. Especially since "All sales are final" with that dealer (never went back to him again obviously).
I now want to diversify my portfolio even more by adding metals, I don't want a repeat of the fake coin incident. So my question...
Can I run some of these tests at a coin dealer's shop or will they just kick me out for even attempting to? Because if I'm in a shop, I will not buy coins without magnet, loop, scale etc.
Being ripped off once for $30.00 was enough. I don't want to find out I've invested 10K in buying Silver & Gold only to find out it's mostly fake.
What do you consider the threshold for weight and wear on a silver coin? Up to say perhaps -0.5 grams?
Assuming it has retained its coin edge, and hasn't been shaved, or it hasn't been mauled from being used in jewelry clamps.
I have an 1880 Morgan silver dollar in pretty good shape no mint mark how can I get it checked out
I have a d1943 steel penny also have a 1891 Morgan dollar. What should I look for?
I used to collect Matchbox cars and I was burned by a fake , It doesn't matter what you collect. How hard would it be to make fake base ball cards it you had a printing shop ?
Honestly have no idea.
Watch Pawn Stars and see how much fake of anything is brought in there, I'm just disappointed in mankind that they go over such an extent of work to cheat others.
What kind of coin scope do you recommend for for beginner and I like that scale what kind is it?
I am no professional but every fake i have seen screws up the top feather of the arrow in the eagle's talons. It is always much bigger and triangular compared to the very thin top feather on the real coin. Am i wrong?
Sry but can you tell me what's on the side on an 1794 Silver Dollar ? I know there are letters but are there any symbols?
It’s nice to have some digital calipers on hand too! Check those specs!
I've just gotten a 1904 coin which is really worn, with next to no details and is at 25g (regular kitchen scale) the amount worn off makes sense for about 1.5-7 grams removed from mint target weight
I'm new to coin collecting. Where can I purchase a scale, magnet and magnifier glass?
How can you tell your coin been cleaned
Sent 5 to ngc. 3 came back clean
Great video, thanks for doing this for all of us. What kind of camera are you using to magnify the coins?
Took my fake morgan back to where I purchased it. They offered to buy it back, I refused. This shall be one less item out of our hobby. And it will be used as a educational tool how ever I can implement it.
Stack long stack often FREE MARKET MANAGERS for LIFE!
Do they fake coins and then wear them artificially ?
Could you please tell me the coin cam make and model? Thanks. Nice video.
I got a Morgan silver dollar 1881 no mint mark it looks great but sticks to the magnetic I bought it from some desperate guy in the street then again I live in Tijuana any thing is possible I'm trying to sale my coin
Is there a market for fakes. I never knew that's silver dollars had fakes thank you I learned a lot. How can I get ahold of a fake silver dollar cheap. I would like to have a few with different problems as a reminder and a teaching tool.
Just subscribed. 😉👍
Good video but I would like to have seen the real ones under the scope more. Mainly bc the best way to spot a fake one is to know exactly what a genuine coin looks like. They do that when finding counterfeit currency too. They used to teach the experts about this counterfeit and that counterfeit, but then there were so many counterfeits that it got terribly hard to remember all of the intricacies of each type. So they had the idea that they would just and ONLY teach their people about the GENUINE ones, so as to thoroughly engrain the aspects of the real ones into their mind. Once they did that, the fakes got spotted so much more easily than they were before their training their experts had their new knowledge and more keen sights set on the genuine ones. It's really quite awesome how that that all went down.
Would you please make a video that nails down exactly what a genuine Morgan looks like and ONLY genuine Morgans? (with no fakes on the video please) That would stick in my head better and it probably would help others that way too. What do you think?
Thanks for your time and efforts.
Do fakers only target the key dates/mints or do they forge common morgans too?
Does apmex sell authentic morgan silver dollars
very informative video why do some morgans have 6 feathers and some 7 feathers
So how much do you have invested in the fake ones, since you bought them. Was it costly? Thanks.
Good Question: Barely any... usually they're just given to me. I did buy a fake one at a yard sale once though, but I think I only paid a dollar for it (I don't 100% recall). Thanks for the question and for checking out the channel!
i need stright info on the value of the 20 dollar copy of the golden double eagle
Question: are you familiar with any fakes on the market of franklin half dollars, mercury dimes, walking liberty etc?
There are definitely fake key dates put there. I did a video a long time ago on a 16d merc.
Silver Seeker ....overall though, if I am picking up “junk” silver, should I be concerned with anything that I get? I try to buy predominantly from my LCS, but in this day and age should I be suspicious of pretty much everything?
Pretty much they're faking everything these days.
Thanks for this! Well done. Subscribed. Like your camera too....can you tell us the brand?
Great video. Now I feel like I have no business buying coins and more so than I did before😂 I’ll be watching more of your videos for sure! Have a great day.
Just buy certified ngc or pcgs coins. There's usually no cost for the grading. Same as raw for coin.
@@jimwhite6419 lol… yes ! I agree .. (don’t want to scare you) but they also fake these! So be careful… running the serial number thru the registry available on line will let you know if its real thought! Dont let all these things scare you from collecting thou … its a great hobby and investment!
Have you ever seen a Carson City with the mintmark letter cc two different sizes
Sir I have draped coin 1780 with double eagle....
Where can I buy this coin camera from ??
Hi ihave same coins for sale ihave too much coins 1804 1880 1881 1943
It's my WhatsApp number +9613047056
Thanks for the video. Question is my silver round copper or is copper round silver. I used the magnet slide test on my silver round and then my copper round, my magnet did the same thing on both coins.
Wouldnt you LOVE to catch the folks faking these? And just BEAT the LIVINGSHIT out of them over and over and over again? Keep them awake for a week straight without food....hit them 20x a day with a cattle prod....tatoo their face with "i suckdog dicks" or whatever
I have this coin morgan dollar 1896...were i can authenticate this coin if this is fake or true...someone know this pls help me...
Are these Chinese fakes? I see a lot of these sold on different auction sites, such as "Tophat", but at least their identified as "replica". I do see people bidding these up to real Morgan prices. My question is, do they silver plate the coins? Is there any silver on the surface?
What do you use for a scope?
Give me info about your microscope.thanks
Andonstar USB Microscope. :)
@@SilverSeeker Thank you for telling us which is was. This video was very informative!!
So question, I have a 1900 no mm Morgan and it weighs about 27 grams! It’ll definitely silver and has wear and isn’t magnetic. What can you tell me about it being over weight even being 119 years old?! Thanks
Are you sure your scale is accurate? Also check that it's a scale that handles weights under 1 gram, otherwise it's just going to round up, and your coin would be good (26.7 would round to 27).
I would make sure you get a jewelers scale if that's not what you're already using.
I brought it to my local coin shop. He used his scale there. It was actually a little over 27 but I used an X-ray machine at my work and it didn’t pick up nickel or anything but silver and you can hear it ringing when you tap it. The coin shop said he’d be weary of it.
My scale is reading 27.1
Yea in that case I'd be weary... There are fake morgans made out of real coin silver... altho I'm not sure why they'd fake that one tho. It's a common date unless it gets in the WAY high grades. But either way, yea, I'd be weary too.
It definitely had great detail still besides the edges. I got it from a local bank along with five Ike dollars with it. Thanks for your input on it!
On 1795 flowing hair silver dollars there were 8 obverse and 8 reverse dies. They were not neccesfilly used together leaving 21 possible die varieties or marriages known as B numbers after Bolender who followed Hazeltine in tbe early to 1800s. Coin collecting was considered weird back then. You start with berries And leaves on the reverse and connect to the crackz and defecfive lettering and file markings you are using to determine fakes to categorize 1795 PCGS lowing hairs, my specialty along with gems. 🐥🙋
I just found two of these while going through some boxes and mine had copy numbers on them, do real ones have copy numbers or are they fake?
And they have a case on them so I'm not really sure how much they weight
What do you do when you find a fake coin?
From which country these fake silver Morgan coins come? Please, tell me, thank you, best regards
Heya bud! There are alot of fakes coming out of China right now. I can't say for sure that this one came from there, but that's where alot of them are coming from for sure! I'll probably release more videos on this in the future, so keep your eyes peeled.
Silver Seeker, thank you for your informations, I'll be careful to buy these coins for my collections, best regards
Hey. New to stacking. But quick question. Just bought my Morgan and peace dollar from JM Bullion. If I am buying from a reputable dealer is it safe to assume they are not fake?
Yes if you got them from JM rest assured they are real. They have experts that check all their coins. They wouldnt risk hurting their name by selling fake coins.
Silver Seeker thank you!
What about “Buy Gold and Silver Safely” silver eagles? They have a very high rating from BBB.
My 1895 Million Dollar Tribute Proof coin has copy on it... Does that mean its fake
Very informative, thanks for sharing this awesome vid:)
Thanks for the comment bud!
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Someone help me to identify my morgan silver dollar 1896 coin if this fake or genuine
Someone help me to identify my morgan silver dollar 1896 coin if this fake or genuine
where does this stuff come from? Are they old or modern?
where can a person get the acid for coins
When I do the ping test I put a coin on my finger, then take a coin and lightly tao, if it has a nice high pitched sound that's a good sgin with not that is a bad sgin.
how can you tell when they are in a holder and you don't want to break them open?
Punch the number in the holders web sight.
@@topbuilder3790 I was under the impression that they fake the numbers too.
Thanks for the info/knowledge on spotting fakes! I bought an 1895-S and even the it has passed the scale, magnetic and a sound test I still have my doubts. It's me thinking it's just to good to be true!
hi have a ONE TROY OUNCE SILVER TRADE UNIT .999 fine silver ! can you tell me how is it worth !
$15.35
What is the brand of scope you are using? I really liked this video
I just received a 1943 steel penny now that I'm watching this video I recall seeing what looks like mold pops but I will have to check the weight but why would they fake Steel
Thats common to see on steel cents because they corrode its prolly real
What if it doesn’t have cc or o
Is the ice test true where u take ice put it on silver if it melts fast its real if it dont its fake I have taken a known piece of pure silver 999 and tested it out on it and it melted superfast well I took another piece that I knew that was fake did it and it didn't melt fast at all but then I took the Morgan dollar that I just got and put the ice on it and it melted exactly the same speed as the other one I also set a piece of ice out to the side to see if it was just hot or what the one that was sitting on the counter did not hardly melt at all but the ice on the known pure silver melted at the same rate as the Morgan dollar that I just got
Hey @Silver Seeker whered you get that coin cam? How much are they?
Where do you get your scale and calipers?
Amazon :)
That’s an Elvis lip! 🤣🤣
Thanks for the info Silver seeker!
Should I trust the ones that has the NGC or PCGS case in it? Or it might be fake also?
There are fake slabs, but it's less likely. With slabs you can always go to PCGS or NGC's website and type in the slab serial number to make sure everything matches up. But most importantly, look at the feedback of the seller, read some of the comments, see how long he's been in business on eBay etc. That's the best way to be sure in my opinion.
Where did you get the camera ?
Honest question though do you think this is a newer fake or one made like 100ish years ago when faking a 1$ coin might have been worth it
Well, 100 years ago it woukd have been valued at 1 dollar and the equipment youd need and knowledge tells me it was VERY rare compared to today. And today i can buy all the materiald and equipment necessary to make fakes like these for a few hundred to less then 2grand. It costs about .25cents in material to make that coin and resell it for 20-50 for commons, and rare and hard to finds can fetch hundreds if not thousands of dollars. If i made 400 fake common coins and sold em at 20$ a pop my profit just paid for all the materiald and super high end equipment. So long story short its makes more sense and theres more profit today then their was 100 or even 30 years ago
Hey Sivler Seeker, Happy Easter!!
Yesterday I found yet ANOTHER NINE MORGAN'S ALL MINT S, they are in FANTASTIC shape ! I was wondering is that good? Someone had burried them in a bag with the thick plastic cases and I have no clue why. Maybe they were going through a divorce?
They are all super shiney with no scratch marks I can see. Are they worth a decent amount do you think? I could look and see the dates if that would help. They all passed the ping test. I'm waiting for my scale & maget to do further testing. I'd make a video on it but can't cause I live in a Hud apartment, they would try to steal them from me if they knew I had anything valuable. Thanks!
Were they tucked inside a pocket of pants still on the body???
My question is , who is doing the counterfeting.
99% of it comes from China for sure. I just did a video about a fake silver bar I got off of wish and it came right from China. Check it out!
Atlantis China, India, Thailand
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Enjoyed the video. Thanks for the knowledge.
Thanks man, glad you enjoy it!
Silver Seeker Wait so if the coins are magnetic its fake?
Hi there I like your video.I bought 4 Morgan dollar coins and 2 of them weighted 271 each and the other 2 weighted 267 but when I tried to put a magnet to all of them it had no problem sticking to each of the coins.So I'm stuck with 4 fake coins.
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How much you eat on that Carson? Love the video
The wear on then makes me wonder if they were counterfeited back when such coins were in circulation.
Was the name of the model for the Morgans Susan Willis Harrison, who was a school teacher I believe?
This is very important info for us. Thanks!
I guessed right...But when you grabbed that first pile I thought you said you were grabbing the real silver...:)...An ear that can hear high pitch frequencies can detect it easy...I balance a silver coin on my finger and strike it with another coin...it's night and day the sound...TINNNNNNGGGG...:)
Yup! TING!
I thought both piles were fake because they both sounded dull to me.
Who appraises coins? I have many that appear to be rare coins.
I have found 1804 silver dollar at my mother's closet past magnet test and looks like it real
That nice bright audio tone for the real ones... What a nice sound! The fake ones: did you buy them knowing they were fake and/or did you contact the secret service over them and/or did you just take a loss? Just curious.
So what is the advantage of paying 2 99 a month to subscribe to you just wondering
I got two, but they do not appear to have lettering like CC or S, shown in the video. What does that mean?
Peter, that means they were minted in Philadelphia instead of Carson City or San Francisco
Even if they doesn't have any lettering at all? I checked the weight, and they are both ca. 25 grams
Where the mint mark should be? Yes, there is no mint mark on P minted Silver Dollars.
Maybe i haven't looked good enough. I am kind of nervous that they are not real
You're mis-understanding my friend... it's normal for a Morgan to not have a mint mark at all, that means it's a Philadelphia. They didn't put a mint mark on their silver dollars, so it would be blank.
What dose it mean if it is off by .08 grams? Please respond
Fake or heavily worn
Those “bubbles” and “pops” in the pour coin, fyi, that’s referred to at porosity in the business….meaning the business of melting/pouring metal. Don’t ask me precious metal questions I’ve only worn with aluminum and steel
Sir i only ask how about 1888 rare Morgan Dollar
Good video very informative. But let's say you're at a flea market the guy has a display of lot of silver coins in two by two flips. Do you think he's going to let you take them apart and weigh them and measure them? That would be a problem if not. They are making pretty good fakes nowadays.
I do collect them, but I don’t keep them with the real ones. I actually use them as a decoy because a thief is defiantly not going to know Morgan’s so well they can tell instantly that they are fake. On the other hand I have gotten quite good at weeding them out rather quick without even pinging them or magnet sliding them. Tell ya a secret though, that COPY on the reverse is a dead giveaway. Got an 1884 s that’s a great counterfeit it just can’t pass the ping or magnet, but someone made some good ones many years ago.
Really good advice and reason I only buy graded coins by NGC or PCGS.
agree .. (don’t want to scare you) but they also fake these! So be careful… running the serial number thru the registry available on line will let you know if its real thought! Dont let all these things scare you from collecting thou … its a great hobby and investment!
I just purchased one...and my scale says 26.3 grams?
seems it off by .5 grams... that doesn't seem bad in and of itself... at least according to this video
On genuine coins the CC should not be centered under wreath ribbon
weight or put one in a collector book to big to fit right, the ware, and most of all the china shine
When is the first known fakes? I realize fakes have been done since the inception of coins but. Is there a period in U.S. history that it became an indusry for morgans?
I love your video, but I just don’t get it…I know it’s wrong, but how hard is it to make a fake coin that weighs 26.6???
Not hard actually melt other 90% silver coins for the metal make it the same size and it should be the se weight
Thanks for the info. I've collected silver coins for decades but I wouldn't call my self an expert, just a silver coin nut. I have bought many coins online and luckily was only burned once. New it was a fake as soon as I held it in my hand.
Why would a dealer allow return of a coin that you said was fake? You could send them back one of your fakes instead.