My dad had a peace dollar he thought was real for the longest time. And I put a magnet to it and it stuck and he was pretty upset about it. I bought him a real one for Christmas..
Loved your video, especially the ping test. For me, it is the best example on youtoube to illustrate the different pitches of fake vs. real. My conclusion is that scale, caliber and ping test is all you need to find 99% of all fakes. No expensive testing equipment needed.
In the 1970s, my grandfather worked in a liquor store. When interesting coins would come in, he would buy them out of the register for face value and give them to my brother and me. I've got 3 Morgan silver dollars and I've been looking at them lately. I did the ring test this morning as I had just learned about it. 2 of them ring beautifully. One makes a horrible 'thud' :D I think I've got a fake! :D
This was the most helpful video about finding out the true authenticity of a real silver dollar those measurements took away what little doubt I had then the ring test I had a peace dollar to use against my Morgan but it worked . Even though the peace is so much thinner I couldn’t believe there’s that much difference but all 3 of my peace dollars ring and are all the same diameter but thinner . Thank you so much for going through all the details the way you did I’ve learned a lot more from this one video than I did others I’m likening and subscribing !
I would like to see a somewhere a video or study of the variances of VF MINT non circ High Grade Morgans, width, diameter and weight. Now on your video, If that coin was cleaned and to bare metal like when new the .09 could be gone. Oh and another thing, ( if your familiar with Metal detectors..... you can Target ID a real Morgan vs. a fake one ). Example using a Teknetics metal detector with digital ID. The metal detectors with analog meters are harder to read. These should show up right at the same number and will show a difference in the numbers if other metals are being used. PS. your video is the most put together out of all I've seen, *GREAT JOB !*
Excellent video. I also do a quick test using a strong neodymium magnet where I put the coin almost vertical, slightly slanted, and then put the small magnet against the top and let it slide down. If the coin is high content silver, then the diamagnetism of a real coin will cause the magnet to slide down across the coin much slower than if the coin is not silver. I am curious if you use this test also.
I was given a Morgan dollar very similar to what you have shown. I also noticed that if you take your fingernail you can rub/scratch off the gray fake patina.
Great video, I knew about the weight, but the dimensions were not coming up on google and the ring test would be very helpful if I had two real silver Morgans to test with, but my sound just like your fake ones. It's like the difference between Pan and The Minotaur playing the Flute. The music is a bit much and annoying.
Good vid. Just a thought: the ping test sounded a bit like shopping in the produce section of Albertson's. Might want to cut the background music in that section. Very good presentation of dimensions, which was your catch. Buying off Ebay is something I don't do. Never have, never will. Too risky, too much work if it turns out to be a fake.
I agree, 100%. If you're buying morgans or peace dollars make sure you have a good neodym magnet, a scale that reads 1/100 grams and a caliper. It will help you weed out almost all of the fakes.
Another way to quantify the "ring" would be a digital guitar tuner that will show the sound of the ring. They are small, relatively inexpensive, and reproducible. Have not checked my few silver coins yet, but should work. Look for a tuner with the cent meter. This will give a very fine sound discrimination.
I just weighed one that i bought on ebay advertised as a replica and it weighed 27grams and the width is exactly 2.8mm and the diameter is 37.78mm. They are taking note and improving
First thing that I noticed is on the good coin the letters in Liberty are evenly spaced, the fake coin they are uneven and "erty" in Liberty are shoved together.
OMG I'm so glad other people agree the background music is to loud and annoying !! I think his calibration is off too. He means well but delivers mixed results and numbers,
I have zero idea how one could be a silver (or gold, especially gold) buyer in 2022 without a Sigma Analytics machine. That 1903 SD was an exceptional fake, that would fool even pretty experienced coin guys. I also like a magnet test, you can get little 1/4" x 1/4" rare earth magnets out of a dead CD player that work great.
What is the name of the tool ? Also how much do they cost? Very informative video, thank you for educating us. Can you also do a video on silver bars ?
Hello June! Thanks! The Sigmas are rather expensive. 700-ish for the cheaper version, up to 1400 for the high end tester. I actually did do a couple videos on silver bars that are on my channel. Take a look!
Thank you for all this information. We novices really appreciate all the help we can get! Being you are so knowledgeable on many things silver being one, could you please do a video on antique Turquoise and Silver bracelets.? It would be greatly appreciated as I am a collector.
Not really sure. It is assumed that dies are made from coins, which are basically like making copies of copies so there is loss. But with a coin this old, it is expected to be worn. So more care was taken to find an alloy that would allow the coin to take almost the same area, so when weighed it might get past some folks. Most people will not check the thickness of a coin, but since this is a key date, it had to be verified. This coin is definitely too thick.
It has that brown tint that all the fake ones seem to have. That brown tint that you can’t get with pure silver. The one on the right is probably a mixture of bronze and silver
It is easier to use 18k gold acid to test for silver, it shows up white-ish and so much more easier than the actual silver acid tester...also if you add acid that you don't use a lot, or it is older and not worthy to use you can put it on all the marks to clean the testing stone. I don't get a lot of platinum and it came with my kit and I use it to clean the stone... ;-)
HEY Beach GOLD Assay THE PART Of Your Video Right At the 12 Min 3 Second Mark,.. Right Where Just Got Done Adding Silver ACID To Both Scratches on Your Stone,,,Where You Say Ok Ill Be Back With Some?? =What Did You Say? Were You After a Paper Towel? Or Some Special Type Of Cloth? I'm Also Asking Because i'm Here Now Testing 4 Morgans Dollars,, Each From a Different Source Yet None Of The Test is TURNING RED?? =When i Wipe Up The ACID With a Typical Kitchen Paper Towel Its Just a Dirty Dark Gray Or Black Spot So I'm Baffled? I'M Even Trying Repeatedly With 2 Different Stones,, Because i'm Unsure Whether, I'm Supposed to Be Using My 2nd Stone which is a Clear Transparent Stone Thinking Maybe That's Specially Made for Silver Only? IDK? There No Packaging With the Clear Stone which i have had Stashed Away Many Years & Never Used it ever Before Till Trying It NOW So Being Unsure i Used My Typical Black Stone Just Like Yours = Using Both Stones to be Sure But Again Nothings Turning RED? Am i Suppose to Use Some Special Cloth instead Of the Typical House Kitchen Paper Towel? Is that WHY?? Or Could the Red ACID Be Stale / Corrupt? Polluted?? From Age being its Approx 7 Years Old? its Been in My Room DesK Draw at Room Temp THE Whole 7 Years Never Outside Never in Garage? ANYONE? Have an Idea Why this Isnt Working? I'm Stumped? THANKS In Advance,
What is scary is all the work they put to get this looking pretty decent imagine if they just use silver. It would be so close it would be unimaginable.
They won’t ever be over weight. Nothing will ever be over weight unless it’s an antique bar from the 1700s, and even then, probably spot-on or just under.
Mine is close to uncirculated it’s 26.77 magnets don’t stick the dates and other letters look good compared to a real one I’m at 38.9 in diameter and 2.50 in thickness I don’t have a digital reading all I got is the lines on my caliper !
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 1888 does have a mint mark can't tell what it is but they're look definitely looks like a mint mark might be there
It's hard enough to find original and unmessed with Morgans (cleaned, whizzed, etc) as is, now we have to worry about this! Do coin shops charge people to verify their coins, if so, how much? I have a 1903-S that I now want checked.
If you start with a Pocket Ponger, and the coin tester all on your phone, youre done in under a minute. It's just that you're making it much more difficult than necessary. If one starts with the pinger, you usually need go no further.
What I've find out is that silver has a really long ping much softer and loud. Rather Then short and spikey, I honestly don't think that the cameras can read it well, but they definitely sounds different in person.
More difficult to tell apart, if the counterfeit has had been made with real actual 90% silver, esp. for highly valued old 8-Reales Spanish pillar dollar.
I bought five from Temu. The price point is such that I don't care if they're fakes, as they're going on a western gunbelt and holster anyway. If I were collecting coins, it would be an issue. But as decorative pieces, no problem unless it's super obvious.
hi my 1898 morgan dollar passes the thickness and diameter test (i think) but The weight is off by 3 grams but i did a ping test and it certainly sound real
when you measured the coin for it's thickness(the fake that was over 3mm) were you measuring from rim to rim or the middle of the coin? i could not tell from the video. thanks! the thickness is supposed to be 2.40mm? is that middle of the coin, or rim to rim?
I knew by the 1 second mark, when you flipped it over, that it was fake. By the sound it made. This is also the first video I have watched that was made with some decent equipment. There are more "FAKE" TH-cam videos about fake silver than there are real ones. LOLOL I wish youtube had a block button. You would have a lot less competition. :o)
Is it against the law to make these counterfeit coins? I ended up buying five of them from worldwide Int'l INC in Los Angeles California and they are fakes
What's crazy is it still sounded like it was made from real silver it had a nice clank for sure. I can hear that silver clank even in pocket change. That's how I've found most of the silver coins is by hearing the silver clank then you look. Oh yeah silver quarter or dime every time.
Not much to worry about anymore on eBay..with the fakes being sold…if u buy from a US seller that’s established on eBay with high numbers of sales and for a long amount of time…ur probably gonna get the real deal…it’s totally different now then it was even a year ago…sellers are treated like shite and docked for every little thing possible…so sellers don’t want returns or disputes because eBay fines them for each item returned and each dispute opened…buyers will do that crap intentionally to try getting the item for free..which I’ve had happen to me once but the buyer didn’t realize that when the item is shipped with delivery confirmation…the package is scanned at their door lol…so he was an amateur online thief lol…but buyers….don’t do that crap to the sellers…they’re average everyday people trying to make an honest living..they’re not Walmart that can afford the loss…
WOW! So how is it possible to verify a coin that was graded and placed in a plastic slab, 30 years ago? Obviously these cannot be tested with new technology...so is the "guarantee" of the certified good enough to retain the current value? My concern is due to the coins left to me by my dad...in the plastic 'bricks'...should I sell while the grading companies still exist...or pass them down to my grandchildren that May find they are PHONEY? PLEASE advise those of us who truly don't know the inticracies of differences and don't know who to trust! Thank You!
While certified/graded coins are faked, they are faked far less often. Its much easier to try and fake a "raw" coin than to fake a certified coin. Do not get me wrong, they are still faked. Some of the things you can do is check the total weight including the slab, some of the coins including slab weight are published out there. A Sigma machine can also check a slabbed coin, so this is an option as well. And then there is the good old magnet test. The certification number can be checked too, but since that is public those can just be duplicated. It is still worth checking, it would be quick to find a bad coin where the certification number does not match the coin type that is in the slab. And with all that said, there are techniques to detect fake slabs - in the way the plastic is molded, etc. Your local coin shop should at least be able to give you a good idea about the coins if you go and get them checked out.
The color is a give away. Looks "too good" at a glance. Dark coloration just ain't right and the silver is pretty light. Neat to see that they made the coin to thick, accounting for the extra weight as it should be a bit under. Thanks for sharing. A quick drop on a hard surface tells the ring.
I got a decent looking morgan off eBay a while ago for my 16th birthday. (it was a 1902 O, but not the small o counterfeit) weighed slightly over (26.78) but still within tolerances thickness was fine (2.4mm dead) the diameter, however, was 37.8mm. on a coin that looks like it has almost no wear. I know .3mm is a tiny amount. but coupled with the weight being slightly over, im not sure if it adds up (it does ring like a silver bell though, so its almost definitely silver) kinda sucks that I got whats probably a counterfeit for my birthday. but oh well, thanks for the video
Where can I buy those tools you used . I've been looking for some scales like that but have not found any. The sigma machine seems to be the best way. Where do I go to find one , please sir ?
None because that ruins them I’d just use a simple few tests to avoid completely ruining the value of a Morgan ping test magnet test and examine the coin compared to a known real Morgan
Before the plandemic I saw common year Morgan’s for around $28. Think they’re like .8 of an oz. melt value or so, at $18/oz. it’s mostly silver you’re paying for.
Does it look very worn? I’ve seen worn coins as low as 25 grams. If it’s not worn at All that could be a red flag at that weight, as a bu coin should weigh 26.7 grams.
Beach Gold Assay so the funny thing is that it looks good , it’s got a lot of tarnish on it I’d like to send you a pic of it so you can see what I’m talking about .
Actually probably not. Depending on how worn the coin looks 25.5 grams is within range. Seen real coins with lower weight. The fakes I see are typically very light, in the 12-17 gram range.
@@beachgoldassay I bought an 1885 cc on Ebay. It was supposed to be shipped from Texas. It was actually shipped from California. What are your thoughts on that?
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Whose brilliant idea was it to have loud music in the background while you're performing the ring test?
My dad had a peace dollar he thought was real for the longest time. And I put a magnet to it and it stuck and he was pretty upset about it. I bought him a real one for Christmas..
Good job on being a good son.
People who fake coins to scam people need to be shot in the face and incinerated
people who sell fakes should be thrown into the lava where they can feel the pain but not die
I believe China is the source of nearly all counterfeits.
That's awesome of you. Great listening skills and acknowledging his emotions. I bet he was happy!
I've watched this twice. At different dates. And I just want to say is thank you for educating me.
Good video, but why the compulsion to add background music? It dramatically reduces the watchability.
Yes, very annoying.
almost didn't notice the music
GREAT VIDEO
The back ground music drowned out the ring test also.
What a great video. I had no idea there were so many ways to verify whether a silver dollar is real, or fake. Thank you for making this video.
Loved your video, especially the ping test. For me, it is the best example on youtoube to illustrate the different pitches of fake vs. real. My conclusion is that scale, caliber and ping test is all you need to find 99% of all fakes. No expensive testing equipment needed.
Not on valuable numismatics though. Fakes of these would still be coin silver, and pass all those tests.
@@przybyla420
good point, that's why I'm a bullion Bull 🎉
A dealer on ebay sent me 100 silver dollars and 20 of them where fake . I filed a complaint and got a refund
Nice job
eBay seems to be good that way.
Man....silver coins pinging together is just as satisfying as an M1 Garand ping
Great video. I am just getting into collecting Morgan’s and these videos really help in my search!
I wish I knew all of this before I bought my first coin. Thank you for sharing it!
In the 1970s, my grandfather worked in a liquor store. When interesting coins would come in, he would buy them out of the register for face value and give them to my brother and me. I've got 3 Morgan silver dollars and I've been looking at them lately. I did the ring test this morning as I had just learned about it. 2 of them ring beautifully. One makes a horrible 'thud' :D I think I've got a fake! :D
Kind of makes you wonder why someone would would go through the effort to make a fake Morgan dollar and put it into circulation in the 70’s
Excellent Video. (Read the captions with sound off, sorry). Still an excellent video..answered some of my questions about a newly acquired collection.
This was the most helpful video about finding out the true authenticity of a real silver dollar those measurements took away what little doubt I had then the ring test I had a peace dollar to use against my Morgan but it worked . Even though the peace is so much thinner I couldn’t believe there’s that much difference but all 3 of my peace dollars ring and are all the same diameter but thinner . Thank you so much for going through all the details the way you did I’ve learned a lot more from this one video than I did others I’m likening and subscribing !
Can't hear the Ring test music too loud
I would like to see a somewhere a video or study of the variances of VF MINT non circ High Grade Morgans, width, diameter and weight. Now on your video, If that coin was cleaned and to bare metal like when new the .09 could be gone. Oh and another thing, ( if your familiar with Metal detectors..... you can Target ID a real Morgan vs. a fake one ). Example using a Teknetics metal detector with digital ID. The metal detectors with analog meters are harder to read. These should show up right at the same number and will show a difference in the numbers if other metals are being used. PS. your video is the most put together out of all I've seen, *GREAT JOB !*
Excellent video. I also do a quick test using a strong neodymium magnet where I put the coin almost vertical, slightly slanted, and then put the small magnet against the top and let it slide down. If the coin is high content silver, then the diamagnetism of a real coin will cause the magnet to slide down across the coin much slower than if the coin is not silver. I am curious if you use this test also.
I was given a Morgan dollar very similar to what you have shown. I also noticed that if you take your fingernail you can rub/scratch off the gray fake patina.
would it be too much to ask to keep the music out of the background? What purpose it actually serves?
You might want to turn down the music for the "ring" test.
Thank you very much for this informative video! I guess I will buy a tool like yours :)
*ring test* taking your morgan from MS, to choice BU. Hahah just poking fun, this is a fabulous video!! Great work!!!
I got eleven silver dollars from my grandparents from their wedding and gave them to me!
Great video, I knew about the weight, but the dimensions were not coming up on google and the ring test would be very helpful if I had two real silver Morgans to test with, but my sound just like your fake ones. It's like the difference between Pan and The Minotaur playing the Flute. The music is a bit much and annoying.
I just bought a scale and it is very useful in detecting fraud coins 👍
Good vid. Just a thought: the ping test sounded a bit like shopping in the produce section of Albertson's. Might want to cut the background music in that section. Very good presentation of dimensions, which was your catch. Buying off Ebay is something I don't do. Never have, never will. Too risky, too much work if it turns out to be a fake.
Great video, to the point and straightforward. Thanks, well done!
Couldn't hear the ring test because your music is too loud.
I agree, 100%. If you're buying morgans or peace dollars make sure you have a good neodym magnet, a scale that reads 1/100 grams and a caliper. It will help you weed out almost all of the fakes.
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Copper and brass react the same way as silver using a neodymium magnet.
Yeah this really helped find out if my coin was fake Thx
Another way to quantify the "ring" would be a digital guitar tuner that will show the sound of the ring. They are small, relatively inexpensive, and reproducible. Have not checked my few silver coins yet, but should work. Look for a tuner with the cent meter. This will give a very fine sound discrimination.
I just weighed one that i bought on ebay advertised as a replica and it weighed 27grams and the width is exactly 2.8mm and the diameter is 37.78mm. They are taking note and improving
Why would you buy a replica? You can get inexpensive real coins lol.
@@justin-davis my answer is for magic tricks, they are a great size for manipulation
Thickness
My friend has a Morgan Silver Dollar that has no mint mark & no year. It also has the stars all around the coin! Is this coin valuable?
Your music is to loud for ring test I can't hear.
Too loud, period.
First thing that I noticed is on the good coin the letters in Liberty are evenly spaced, the fake coin they are uneven and "erty" in Liberty are shoved together.
OMG I'm so glad other people agree the background music is to loud and annoying !! I think his calibration is off too. He means well but delivers mixed results and numbers,
Background music makes the ring test hard to hear. Suggest you delete it at least during that test. Good video though.
I have zero idea how one could be a silver (or gold, especially gold) buyer in 2022 without a Sigma Analytics machine. That 1903 SD was an exceptional fake, that would fool even pretty experienced coin guys. I also like a magnet test, you can get little 1/4" x 1/4" rare earth magnets out of a dead CD player that work great.
What is the name of the tool ? Also how much do they cost? Very informative video, thank you for educating us. Can you also do a video on silver bars ?
Hello June! Thanks! The Sigmas are rather expensive. 700-ish for the cheaper version, up to 1400 for the high end tester. I actually did do a couple videos on silver bars that are on my channel. Take a look!
Thank you for all this information. We novices really appreciate all the help we can get! Being you are so knowledgeable on many things silver being one, could you please do a video on antique Turquoise and Silver bracelets.? It would be greatly appreciated as I am a collector.
Didn't do the density (specific gravity) test. That is worth knowing about.
Great video I recently bought Morgans and I need a experienced person to look at them
An amazing fake! How did they make it? Conventional minting? What an effort.
Not really sure. It is assumed that dies are made from coins, which are basically like making copies of copies so there is loss. But with a coin this old, it is expected to be worn. So more care was taken to find an alloy that would allow the coin to take almost the same area, so when weighed it might get past some folks. Most people will not check the thickness of a coin, but since this is a key date, it had to be verified. This coin is definitely too thick.
Wowsers!!! Great video!!! Thanks so much
What is the ring test?
It has that brown tint that all the fake ones seem to have. That brown tint that you can’t get with pure silver. The one on the right is probably a mixture of bronze and silver
Good Info..
How much does the tool cost?
It is easier to use 18k gold acid to test for silver, it shows up white-ish and so much more easier than the actual silver acid tester...also if you add acid that you don't use a lot, or it is older and not worthy to use you can put it on all the marks to clean the testing stone. I don't get a lot of platinum and it came with my kit and I use it to clean the stone... ;-)
Do we really need the drummer in the background.
HEY Beach GOLD Assay
THE PART Of Your Video Right At the 12 Min 3 Second Mark,..
Right Where Just Got Done Adding Silver ACID To Both Scratches on Your Stone,,,Where You Say Ok Ill Be Back With Some?? =What Did You Say?
Were You After a Paper Towel? Or Some Special Type Of Cloth?
I'm Also Asking Because i'm Here Now Testing 4 Morgans Dollars,, Each From a Different Source
Yet None Of The Test is TURNING RED?? =When i Wipe Up The ACID With a Typical Kitchen Paper Towel Its Just a Dirty Dark Gray Or Black Spot So I'm Baffled?
I'M Even Trying Repeatedly With 2 Different Stones,, Because i'm Unsure Whether, I'm Supposed to Be Using My 2nd Stone which is a Clear Transparent Stone Thinking Maybe That's Specially Made for Silver Only? IDK?
There No Packaging With the Clear Stone which i have had Stashed Away Many Years & Never Used it ever Before Till Trying It NOW
So Being Unsure i Used My Typical Black Stone Just Like Yours = Using Both Stones to be Sure
But Again Nothings Turning RED?
Am i Suppose to Use Some Special Cloth instead Of the Typical House Kitchen Paper Towel? Is that WHY??
Or Could the Red ACID Be Stale / Corrupt? Polluted?? From Age being its Approx 7 Years Old?
its Been in My Room DesK Draw at Room Temp THE Whole 7 Years Never Outside Never in Garage?
ANYONE? Have an Idea Why this Isnt Working? I'm Stumped?
THANKS In Advance,
Yes, we just use regular paper towels. Anything that can just show us the red vs other colors, paper towels work fine.
What is scary is all the work they put to get this looking pretty decent imagine if they just use silver. It would be so close it would be unimaginable.
Always check the reeds. Reeds never lie. Thickness too.
They won’t luckily as that defeats the purpose
@@onedollasnake Maybe for this coin but for a collector's rare version like Carson City that sells for $1000 it defeats the purpose not to.
They won’t ever be over weight. Nothing will ever be over weight unless it’s an antique bar from the 1700s, and even then, probably spot-on or just under.
Is there a specific scale that you recommend
How do you weight a Morgan that's in a slab?
Where do you get the tool that measures the diameter and thickness of the coin.
Hobby shops
Called a caliper
Harbor Freight has them less than $15.
When did the fake Morgans and Peace dollars starting coming out.
I think you should consider turning the radio down. Am I at a concert or a numismatic discussion?
Mine is close to uncirculated it’s 26.77 magnets don’t stick the dates and other letters look good compared to a real one I’m at 38.9 in diameter and 2.50 in thickness I don’t have a digital reading all I got is the lines on my caliper !
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 1888 does have a mint mark can't tell what it is but they're look definitely looks like a mint mark might be there
Is there a follow up with the customer? Did eBay get their money back on the fake Morgan?
It's hard enough to find original and unmessed with Morgans (cleaned, whizzed, etc) as is, now we have to worry about this! Do coin shops charge people to verify their coins, if so, how much? I have a 1903-S that I now want checked.
Your local coin shop really should not charge for something like that. I wouldn't at my shop. I really takes no time at all for someone experienced.
I have 1 morgan 1883 i put it on the once scale it weight is 1once then i weigh it in grams it weigh at 28 grams.
what brand of silver tester is that? is that a GVS tester🤔🤔🤔 thx
What kind of stone is that, and kind of acid?
Emptor Caveat, especially when shopping on eBay, as well as other places, flea markets, etc...
Didn't watch video yet,, im going weigh it and measure it,also look at morgans from the same year??
Let me know if im right..
The ping/ring is the fastest most reliable test.
coin in this condition should weight like 26.68
Everything was great until the "ring test". But the music volume at 30 or 40% made it impossible to hear!
I heard it just fine, thanks Bose.
Twaskyou sr for the information.
Blessings question I. Have somes morgan silver dollar on the weight are 23.67 are real or not.
Twaskyou
Right, weigh it out take a magnet to it then measure diameter and etc.
I have one dollar coin.1887.what is its value
If you start with a Pocket Ponger, and the coin tester all on your phone, youre done in under a minute. It's just that you're making it much more difficult than necessary. If one starts with the pinger, you usually need go no further.
What I've find out is that silver has a really long ping much softer and loud.
Rather Then short and spikey, I honestly don't think that the cameras can read it well, but they definitely sounds different in person.
More difficult to tell apart, if the counterfeit has had been made with real actual 90% silver, esp. for highly valued old 8-Reales Spanish pillar dollar.
Giá thu mua đồng xu 1887 bao nhieu
I bought five from Temu. The price point is such that I don't care if they're fakes, as they're going on a western gunbelt and holster anyway. If I were collecting coins, it would be an issue. But as decorative pieces, no problem unless it's super obvious.
It's good u don't care if their fake , because they are 👍
hi my 1898 morgan dollar passes the thickness and diameter test (i think) but The weight is off by 3 grams but i did a ping test and it certainly sound real
there is little to no wear to my coin btw
when you measured the coin for it's thickness(the fake that was over 3mm) were you measuring from rim to rim or the middle of the coin? i could not tell from the video. thanks! the thickness is supposed to be 2.40mm? is that middle of the coin, or rim to rim?
Rim to rim
what kind of acid did you use
I knew by the 1 second mark, when you flipped it over, that it was fake. By the sound it made. This is also the first video I have watched that was made with some decent equipment. There are more "FAKE" TH-cam videos about fake silver than there are real ones. LOLOL I wish youtube had a block button. You would have a lot less competition. :o)
Is it against the law to make these counterfeit coins? I ended up buying five of them from worldwide Int'l INC in Los Angeles California and they are fakes
Still better than a new paper dollar?
What's crazy is it still sounded like it was made from real silver it had a nice clank for sure.
I can hear that silver clank even in pocket change. That's how I've found most of the silver coins is by hearing the silver clank then you look. Oh yeah silver quarter or dime every time.
Not much to worry about anymore on eBay..with the fakes being sold…if u buy from a US seller that’s established on eBay with high numbers of sales and for a long amount of time…ur probably gonna get the real deal…it’s totally different now then it was even a year ago…sellers are treated like shite and docked for every little thing possible…so sellers don’t want returns or disputes because eBay fines them for each item returned and each dispute opened…buyers will do that crap intentionally to try getting the item for free..which I’ve had happen to me once but the buyer didn’t realize that when the item is shipped with delivery confirmation…the package is scanned at their door lol…so he was an amateur online thief lol…but buyers….don’t do that crap to the sellers…they’re average everyday people trying to make an honest living..they’re not Walmart that can afford the loss…
have gone back and checked ALL my Morgan's and NONE of them are where they should be...the thickness is wrong and the size is wrong...
WOW!
So how is it possible to verify a coin that was graded and placed in a plastic slab, 30 years ago?
Obviously these cannot be tested with new technology...so is the "guarantee" of the certified good enough to retain the current value?
My concern is due to the coins left to me by my dad...in the plastic 'bricks'...should I sell while the grading companies still exist...or pass them down to my grandchildren that May find they are PHONEY?
PLEASE advise those of us who truly don't know the inticracies of differences and don't know who to trust!
Thank You!
While certified/graded coins are faked, they are faked far less often. Its much easier to try and fake a "raw" coin than to fake a certified coin. Do not get me wrong, they are still faked. Some of the things you can do is check the total weight including the slab, some of the coins including slab weight are published out there. A Sigma machine can also check a slabbed coin, so this is an option as well. And then there is the good old magnet test. The certification number can be checked too, but since that is public those can just be duplicated. It is still worth checking, it would be quick to find a bad coin where the certification number does not match the coin type that is in the slab. And with all that said, there are techniques to detect fake slabs - in the way the plastic is molded, etc. Your local coin shop should at least be able to give you a good idea about the coins if you go and get them checked out.
Why?
The color is a give away. Looks "too good" at a glance. Dark coloration just ain't right and the silver is pretty light. Neat to see that they made the coin to thick, accounting for the extra weight as it should be a bit under. Thanks for sharing. A quick drop on a hard surface tells the ring.
Would be fun to send the fake into NGC or PCGS just to see if they catch it or not
Gamble on your part.
They are experts and seldom make mistakes.
Great video...in the future please leave out the background beats...it defeats the purpose of the ring test demonstration
I got a decent looking morgan off eBay a while ago for my 16th birthday. (it was a 1902 O, but not the small o counterfeit)
weighed slightly over (26.78) but still within tolerances
thickness was fine (2.4mm dead)
the diameter, however, was 37.8mm. on a coin that looks like it has almost no wear. I know .3mm is a tiny amount. but coupled with the weight being slightly over, im not sure if it adds up
(it does ring like a silver bell though, so its almost definitely silver)
kinda sucks that I got whats probably a counterfeit for my birthday. but oh well, thanks for the video
I also got a Morgan for my birthday luckily it was real happned to be 16 for me as well
A good way to tell if it’s fake is check the vams if it don’t have a single vam from that year it’s fake
@@onedollasnakewhat's a vam?
Where can I buy those tools you used . I've been looking for some scales like that but have not found any. The sigma machine seems to be the best way. Where do I go to find one , please sir ?
www.sigmametalytics.com/ - these are what we use, and plenty of coin shop suppliers provide them... They are pricey though.
Harbor freight scale
@@bhooe8595 Yep, mine works great.
what is the type of acid do you use to verify(help) a silver coin??
None because that ruins them I’d just use a simple few tests to avoid completely ruining the value of a Morgan ping test magnet test and examine the coin compared to a known real Morgan
do people color tone the fake morgan dollars?
yea
Do they make fakes out of silver? That would make more sense considering silver is cheap and thw value is in the numismatic part?
Before the plandemic I saw common year Morgan’s for around $28. Think they’re like .8 of an oz. melt value or so, at $18/oz. it’s mostly silver you’re paying for.
@@przybyla420 ASW: 0.7734oz Melt Value: $13.66 Mostly collectors value. Not the best way to stack silver if you're paying a premium.
Yeah but the only fake silver ones are gonna be semi key date coins or keydate fakes but they often have the same grainy terrible look to them
Need help just bought a 1883 Morgan and the ping test is great I got it from my lcs but I weighed it and it weighs at only 25.7
Is it real ? Do you think it could have lost a gram due to wear
Does it look very worn? I’ve seen worn coins as low as 25 grams. If it’s not worn at All that could be a red flag at that weight, as a bu coin should weigh 26.7 grams.
Beach Gold Assay so the funny thing is that it looks good , it’s got a lot of tarnish on it I’d like to send you a pic of it so you can see what I’m talking about .
Beach Gold Assay it’s only a little worn , it could be defined as being in VG state around VG 8
B. Lock if you think it is going to be VG8 then I think you’re OK at that weight
thanks for sharing, very helpful video
Looks real to me !! I would have been taken if I had purchased that coin. Had no idea that there are fake coins in existence. Who would do that ??
Chinese.
Parabéns, uma ótima aula. 👏👏👏👍
I just bought a 1885 cc. Weight is 25.5 grams. Weight should be 26.38 grams. Got screwed.
Actually probably not. Depending on how worn the coin looks 25.5 grams is within range. Seen real coins with lower weight. The fakes I see are typically very light, in the 12-17 gram range.
Thank you for replying.
@@beachgoldassay I bought an 1885 cc on Ebay. It was supposed to be shipped from Texas. It was actually shipped from California. What are your thoughts on that?
@@christopherinnovation151 that is kinda odd, but not necessarily a red flag. If you have concerns I would probably take it to a local shop.
The sigma tester was throwing off different readings of diameter and thickness than your digital calipers (?)
Thanks for the vid Charlie!
Thickness of a Morgan supposed to be 2.4