•Updates - • Yunjin has Eb5/E5 in her higher register, Her supported range is A3~Bb4/B4~Eb5/E5 • Yujin (IVE) will be around Jennie and Chaeyoung, Minnie can be placed somewhere around them as an estimation too. • Nayeon has a Solid G#3 in her lower register, Her supported Range is G#3~A4/Bb4 • Miyeon has A4/Bb4 in her mix, Her supported range is G#3/A3~A4/Bb4 • Sullyoon is a Weak to Average Vocalist, her place in this list remains the same. • For any updates on the dance ranking, please refer to the below document. - Dance Document ~ docs.google.com/document/d/1oiIblgTcOX0dmO2edqZ_yk6epR_E4bAOgva2f7n9CwY/edit?usp=sharing
Jihyo > Yunjin, Jihyo has a better low register and her mix is much more solid compared to Yunjin, on her tour she has had quite a few solid B4s, Yunjin only beats Jihyo in HV
@@davakdks isn't everything in this world made by humans ? ( except for natural components) Even the device you are holding rn is made by someone, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist lmao
@@aidentai5867 sakura and shuhua are the worst vocalists in their respective groups. Chaeryoung is the temporary main vocalist of itzy. How can u say that😅
@@elfy2006 chaeryoung is infact a temporary vocalist. I don't think you have heard itzy songs. Don't worry. You should see Mr vampire and untouchable. Chaeryoung will prove herself there :)
no matter whats the updates about vocal category with the new groups, i knew that wendy will remains at number 1 tho, the finest vocalist in kpop today
Aespa too like they are very talented too 1) Ningning 4th(vocals)-32th(dance) 2) Winter 6th(vocals)-27th(dance) 3) Giselle 12th(vocals)-39th(dance) 4) Karina 13th(vocals)-13th(dance) Edit:Out of 54 idols 😮
Only one problem , *ROSÉ IS THE LEAD DANCER IN BLACKPINK WHILE JISOO & JENNIE ARE LAZY . FORGET ABOUT JISOO , SHE IS IN THE PERFECT POSITION , BUT JENNIE ??????!!!!!?!?!???!!!!! U COULD'VE GIVEN 51 TO JISOO , 50 TO JENNIE & 28 TO ROSÉ . THIS IS VERY UNFAIR TO ROSÉ*
@diamondentertainmentkpop5008 all arounder is thrown around too much but jiwoo is definitely an all rounder. Dance, Rap, Vocals, and stage presence are all there
@@Minty_Sana giselle and karina are literally at the same level, giselle just being a little more consistently open in her mix, but karina having so many good moments as well, plus karina having better lows than giselle at G#3
So? Idk about Irene but Rosé and Mina are very stiff(due to them being flexible, it’s also the case with Lia and Kazuha), they often mess up the footwork, have little control over their body power, Rosé also has problems controlling her arms and legs due to their length and more.
Even though yeri and Irene are ranked low in vocals (based off support), I think they still have such a great sense of musicality in terms of music key, harmonies, layers, stability, and lyricism (for yeri)
how can jisoo and chaeryong be the weakest vocals (in their groups) if they are the lead vocalists how can rosè be the weakest dance (in their groups) if she is the lead dancer
Positions don’t mean shit. Jihyo is the best dancer in her group yet she doesn’t have a dance position, Yuqi is the 2nd best vocalist and she doesn’t even have lead vocal ect. Chaer is sub vocalist and Jisoo isn’t a good vocalist, she just has an attractive voice. Rosé is stiff, dances awkwardly(due to her long limbs), has problem controlling her body and her power, often messes up the footwork and more. Chaer is my itzy bias and Rosé is my bp bias so whatever you say idk
I respect your work and omg im so surprised that Chaeryeong is so low in vocals and that Momo is below Jihyo 😨 I am sor proud of Jiwoo being second but I somehow always knew since O.O she was such a powerful dancer
@@Rkive_thv-cr7beyeah because I know nothing about vocals I just started learning recently, I wasn't expecting her on like the top 20 ofc but just not 50th
The fact that it is both rv members at top 1 for both categories their talent doesnt get recognized becuase of those dozen members ( yeri improved a lot)
which dozen? There's a lot.. TWICE 3 or 4 LE SSERAFIM 2 ITZY 1 (she's the dozen's dozen cuz she's better than most of dozens in dancing) NMIXX 0 (I'd say none cuz all of them are good imo, even Bae) IVE 1 (Leeseo is Wonyoung younger version) RV 1 BP 1
all new jeans members came under 15 in dance it shows new jeans is the best dance group but many people will disagree this becuase their dance steps is not hard as itzy nmixx but their choreogrphy is based on open style thats why they are good at dancing
For me Twice and Ive are the vocal queens✨ And of course I don't know about dance queens but Momo and Jihyo are the Emperesses of Dancing 💖 🔴IT'S MY OPINION
Minty slaying as usual. But i have some disagreements • I don't think you should use Underdeveloped to Weak, this isn’t a real Tier. • I don't think you should put Yujin/Rei/Minnie in a different tier as Mina/Chaeyoung (I didn't said Jennie, because she could be a really low w, but That's arguable), they are the same. • Liz doesn't have G#3/A3 - A4, her supported range is A3 - A4/Bb4, she has never supported a G#3. • Hyein is Weak tier and stronger than Haerin imo. • Chaewon has enough development for say she has A3/Bb3 on her supported range. • Yunjin has supported head voice up to G#5 (at best) (but I don't know how consistent her hv is.)
Mina jennie and chaeyoung all were weak at a time their just less consistent they have a support range arguably weak but lack engagement with their diaphragm, undeveloped are those who haven't supported but are relaxed its unfair to put people who's support is inconsistent there because they have actually supported, Liz has supported G#3 but since Debut its debatable, haerin is the second best Vocalist in New jeans ,yunjin head voice is extremely consistent but she supported Eb5/E5 in head voice no more no less.
@@katykim not sure about Rei, but Yujin and Minnie have occiasional moments of support too, and are more than "just relaxed", and that is the reason why I said they should be on the same level as Jennie, Mina, Chaeyoung.
@@katykim the weak tier already encompasses the differences between support, low weak is for those who have had occasional support or that is extremely inconsistent and shallow (Mina, Chaeyoung and jennie), mid weak is for those who have shown support more than low weak and is less inconsistent, but not enough to be high weak (Sinb, Yoon and Yeji), and the high weak show almost all the time shallow support but have some inconsistent moments (Chaewon, Joy and Lia), no need to invent another tier
NMIXX is such an Insane Group In Vocals All 6 members in Top 20 3 members in top 10 Nd 2 members In Top 3!! In Dance All 6 members r minimum at level High Tier 7!! (Which is the level of best dancer in many groups) Haewon being Low Tier 6 Kyujin High 6 ranked in Top 10 Nd Jiwoo Taking 2nd Spot Overall with her level of Low Tier 5 making her One of the best dancers in 4th Gen!! Truly Amazing NMIXX is such an All Rounded Group Even in Rap though not as strong as their Dance nd Vocals , Still is quite good and all 6 members have shown the potential as rappers while Jiwoo Being Good at Rapping Kyujin Sullyoon Haewon Bae nd Lily have proved they can rap too in their Videos!! Nd Btw Not Newjeans being one of the best dance groups in 4th gen!!
Aight so average placement: Vocals: Aespa: 8,75 Nmixx: 11 Red Velvet: 22,6 NewJeans: 28 Twice: 31,33 (S)I-DLE: 31,4 Blackpink: 31,5 LE SSERAFIM: 32,2 Ive: 36,67 Itzy: 37 Dance: NewJeans: 11 (omg, I was not aware of that at all) Nmixx: 17,33 Itzy: 18,4 Aespa: 27,75 (S)I-DLE: 28,6 (huh, I expected them to be lower) LE SSERAFIM: 29 Twice: 32,11 Blackpink: 33,5 Red Velvet: 33,8 Ive: 40,5 (saved by Yujin💀) My fav: 1. Itzy 2. Blackpink 3. Nmixx 4. Aespa 5. (G)I-DLE with 6 members 6. LE SSERAFIM (surpassed TWICE with this comeback) 7. TWICE 8. Ive 9. Red Velvet 10. NewJeans 11. (S)I-DLE with 5 members
I feel like it’s very important to recognize the supported head, voice of vocalists like yunjin, Wendy and such, that’s still a very important part of the registers, and the fact that you were completely ignoring them even in the supported range is unfair
@@dalsonyan the G5 IS part of yunjin"s head voice😐 and yunjin mix is so inconsistent to be B4 and she doesnt support C5 IN MIX Neither, shes A3-Bb4/B4-Eb5
@@afeliz2642 yes, they completely ignored the two notes even in the update, and, if you use proper notation, you can properly acknowledge her full range
@@dalsonyan she just has an average head voice…it’s not like she’s going to downgrade the hardest for not putting head voice The most important registers for sopranos is the mix/belt so even if she has the greatest head voice if she doesn’t fix many aspects of her mid-belts she’s not going to be better vocalist
Sullyoon on 9th at vocal and 30th at dance most talented visual from these groups No don't feel like I am just dragging other visual down no sullyoon just is so talented despite her knowing tabt she will get in without talent Bae dozen who cares to call her that 20th at dance and vocal both
1, this ranking cleary is not the best(is not that bad but has to change a lot of things), like chaer from itzy being last in her group when she has better placement and relax momets than yuna or ryunji with that said, sullyoon is not near to being the most talent visual when winter is here, winter has better vocals, dance and rap by far than her
This isn't about our beloved idols or the video, but I want to say this to you, Minty Sana: You've always been one of the most unbiased TH-camrs (in the k-pop community) and one of my favorites indeed. You know how to make a good ranking and list. You have some of the most agreeable rankings. I totally approve of Seulgi being moved to Mid Tier 5, she's super satisfying to watch. I agree with Ryujin being a Low Tier 5, I just love the way she dances. I agree with Chaeyoung being a Low Tier 7 instead of a Mid Tier 7, she's pretty stiff. But, back to you, your editing is super good and the format is great too. Super unbiased and great explanations and details. I feel like people value support too little. It's a big saving grace on a vocalist. Yoohyeon has support, and Siyeon doesn't. She may have it now, Dreamcatcher is a small group, so it's hard to find updated rankings on them, but I believe Yoohyeon has had it for a while. Support is what would put her above Siyeon. Also, if this isn't too much to ask, could you rank Dreamcatcher? I really need a good unbiased ranking for my ultimate group, and you happen to be very trustworthy with that question. Also, in your opinion, who is a better vocalist? Wendy or Taeyeon? I see it as a big debate everywhere, so I'd like an answer. In my opinion, I'd say Wendy, but she's my bias and I have no idea about vocal. I'm more knowledgeable on rap and dance. So, this is more me ranting about idols now, so I better finish it up before I go off about LE SSERAFIM's comeback lol. Anyways, hope you enjoyed my sweet message and love from karomi!
Actually Siyeon has support, she was misuvaluated. Yoohyeon is low Average Siyeon mid Weak to Average SuA and JiU Low Weak to Average Handong has some grasp of support, but is inconsistent Gahyeon and Dami doesn't support
@@Lss125 My bad, shouldn’t have assumed. I saw videos from a while ago saying she didn’t have support, and some saying she does from just a little while ago, making me assume she does have it now, but didn’t back then. So, my bad, and thanks for the kind correction. I’ll make sure to remember who supports and who doesn’t for the future. God, I’m a bad Insomnia lol.
Agree. No idea how Sakura and Shuhua got so high on their ranking, and Wonyoung absolutely isn't as far from the others in IVE as she was originally put. I still think Shuhua should be lower than everyone here except maybe Sakura since she's quite literally tone deaf, but your ranking makes much more sense. The only thing I would really change is that Yunjin is absolutely not better than Seulgi. There's an argument for Winter and Jihyo to be had but the only thing she has over Seulgi is head voice, but this is a support ranking, and I think Seulgi (and likely Jihyo) are more supported than Yunjin. Is there enough material to deem Giselle at a C- and definitively better than Nayeon? I feel like she hasn't sung enough to be able to tell how good she is but I suppose if we're going by support alone that could make sense.
I think kpop idols should be ranked as performers, not dancers. Dancing is part of performing and it's very important, but if someone dances well with stiff or bad facial expressions, even if their dancing is great, they're not good as a performer.
i actually had a panic attack when i saw minnie at 31 and cmon can yall not agree that minnie is a slighly alot better than yuqi (i am not hating yuqi also has great vocals) 😭😭
•Updates -
• Yunjin has Eb5/E5 in her higher register, Her supported range is A3~Bb4/B4~Eb5/E5
• Yujin (IVE) will be around Jennie and Chaeyoung, Minnie can be placed somewhere around them as an estimation too.
• Nayeon has a Solid G#3 in her lower register, Her supported Range is G#3~A4/Bb4
• Miyeon has A4/Bb4 in her mix, Her supported range is G#3/A3~A4/Bb4
• Sullyoon is a Weak to Average Vocalist, her place in this list remains the same.
• For any updates on the dance ranking, please refer to the below document.
- Dance Document ~
docs.google.com/document/d/1oiIblgTcOX0dmO2edqZ_yk6epR_E4bAOgva2f7n9CwY/edit?usp=sharing
There is no tier in dance, it's just made by someone
@@davakdks if it was made by someone, then it began to exist. Please stop trying to ignore the facts
Jihyo > Yunjin, Jihyo has a better low register and her mix is much more solid compared to Yunjin, on her tour she has had quite a few solid B4s, Yunjin only beats Jihyo in HV
@@davakdks isn't everything in this world made by humans ? ( except for natural components) Even the device you are holding rn is made by someone, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist lmao
Miyeon has A4/Bb4 ryt so why it's written as (Bb4)
no way chaeryeong is below sakura and shuhua in vocal
@@aidentai5867 sakura and shuhua are the worst vocalists in their respective groups. Chaeryoung is the temporary main vocalist of itzy. How can u say that😅
@@zyozyo24 temporary main vocalist ? Yes she is better than sakura and shuhua but she could never be in a vocal line
@@elfy2006 chaeryoung is infact a temporary vocalist. I don't think you have heard itzy songs. Don't worry. You should see Mr vampire and untouchable. Chaeryoung will prove herself there :)
@@zyozyo24 don't worry. I stan them.
She cant improve herself with straining notes every stage. It'll make it worse @@zyozyo24
no matter whats the updates about vocal category with the new groups, i knew that wendy will remains at number 1 tho, the finest vocalist in kpop today
Not in kpop... Ailee and a few other singers are better... But for Kpop group... Especially 3rd gen.. Wendy is the best.
@@somebodygill8666that's why they said in kpop 💀💀
@@solinkdc2645 AILEE and the few other singers that I am taking about ARE IN KPOP.
@@somebodygill8666 kpop.... today
@@user-dy1cz4tf4fAilee still sings
NMIXX is such an all rounder group.
Haewon : 3rd (vocals) - 16th (dance)
Jiwoo : 18th (vocals) - 2nd (dance)
Kyujin : 14th (vocals) - 10th (dance)
Lily : 2nd (vocals) - 26th (dance)
Sullyoon : 9th (vocals) - 30th (dance)
Bae : 30th (vocals) - 20th (dance)
Out of 54 idols😮
bae is 20th in vocals, so nmixx is top 20 for vocals!!
Yeah nmixx are and also they are rookie and are competing with really talented groups so iam proud of nmixx
Top tier group
Aespa too like they are very talented too
1) Ningning 4th(vocals)-32th(dance)
2) Winter 6th(vocals)-27th(dance)
3) Giselle 12th(vocals)-39th(dance)
4) Karina 13th(vocals)-13th(dance)
Edit:Out of 54 idols 😮
@@cutesweetdadi9495this isn't about aespa..?
1st in vocals = Wendy (Red Velvet)
1st in (open) dance = Seulgi (Red Velvet)
Yes, red velvet literally have the best 3th gen dancer and the best 3th gen vocalist
Also😮
2nd in vocals = Lily (NMIXX)
2nd in open style dance = Jiwoo (NMIXX)
Only one problem , *ROSÉ IS THE LEAD DANCER IN BLACKPINK WHILE JISOO & JENNIE ARE LAZY . FORGET ABOUT JISOO , SHE IS IN THE PERFECT POSITION , BUT JENNIE ??????!!!!!?!?!???!!!!! U COULD'VE GIVEN 51 TO JISOO , 50 TO JENNIE & 28 TO ROSÉ . THIS IS VERY UNFAIR TO ROSÉ*
@@dark._sparks_why do you comment here they talk about rvv😂
Blackpink and twice are far better than these groups
The way all 4 members of aespa are in the top 13 of vocals is *INSANE* , their vocal capability is one of the best of this industry..
Ikrrr
aespa slays
Not in the industry but yes they are very good
They're good, but the best of this industry, no
@liana-cd9so there's a difference between the best and one of the best😊
Jiwoo being at 18th in vocals and 2nd at dance
Such an all rounder
this girl isn‘t an all-rounder. Y‘all need to stop calling everyone an all-rounder. That‘s kind of an exclusive title!
@@diamondentertainmentkpop5008SHE IS AN ALL-ROUNDER!!!
Open your eyes,she outdo all your favs!!!
@diamondentertainmentkpop5008 all arounder is thrown around too much but jiwoo is definitely an all rounder. Dance, Rap, Vocals, and stage presence are all there
@@diamondentertainmentkpop5008 jiwoo, karina, and kyujin are definitely all-rounders.
Seulgi being 5th in vocals and 1st in dance 💀
This is the most funny ranking ever😂😂😂......
SEULGI NEVER LEAVING TOP 5 😭💃
Aint no way u said that jisoo is better at dancing than Rosè😅
her opinion
@@Faithismynameyeah but Jisoo is so stiff while dancing
ikr-
@@Faithismyname no they ranked according to dance tiers which is (supposed to be) accurate
@@Irene_xoxoxo who told you so
Lisa vocal is better than jisoo?😅
No bro.
Yea Lisa’s voice is way better your right
No.
Never
@@manupate7986no, Jisoo is a powerfull vocalist with a range C+ (In CVT) she can support C5 and D5.
i can't wait for aespa comeback !
Same🎉
aespa Will comeback on 8th may
And aespa Will realease prelerease song tomorrow 2th may
@@atikavanesa2288 yes !
Same ik they gonna slay
✨Dance✨
9. Tzuyu - 49 ranked
8. Mina - 47 ranked
7. Chaeyoung - 45 ranked
6. Jeongyeon - 40 ranked
5. Dahyun - 35 ranked
4. Sana - 34 ranked
3. Nayeon - 29 ranked
2. Momo - 7 ranked
1. Jihyo - 3 ranked
✨𝘎𝘖𝘋 𝘑𝘐𝘏𝘠𝘖 𝘚𝘓𝘈𝘠𝘌𝘋𝘋𝘋 ✨❤️
how is momo 7th?????
@@ANDODARREXJBSHS idk 🤷♀️
@@aestheticgorlmatrial It is based on open style
@@ANDODARREXJBSHSthis is based on open style, momo is the best in idol dance
Nmixx being in top 20 for vocals and top 30 for dance
Slayyyyyy
this is one of the craziest rankings ever LOL
Let's see, according to you which is correct ranking?
At last someone appreciate how great Seulgi is in dancing
A lot of people do though…
Aespa ranking:
13. Karina
12. Giselle
6. Winter
4. Ningning
Dance:
39. Giselle
32. Ningning
27. Winter
13. Karina
Karina is the 3 best vocal in aespa
@@kpopstan636 Giselle is stronger vocally than Karina. Her vocal range is wider.
@@beautiful4816 Karina’s range is wider, Giselle has less materials. Gis > Rina, because Giselle is better in the range of A4/Bb4
@@Minty_Sana oh ok bc people say that she better and I thought she was
@@Minty_Sana giselle and karina are literally at the same level, giselle just being a little more consistently open in her mix, but karina having so many good moments as well, plus karina having better lows than giselle at G#3
Irene and rose is lead dencer, mina is main dancer 💀
This is about freestyle dancing. And positions doesn't mean your better.
@@singingwhale977 Oh, Ok then
@@singingwhale977 dizer que Jisso dança mais que Rosé é até crime
So? Idk about Irene but Rosé and Mina are very stiff(due to them being flexible, it’s also the case with Lia and Kazuha), they often mess up the footwork, have little control over their body power, Rosé also has problems controlling her arms and legs due to their length and more.
Seulgi ace 1st in dance and 5th in vocal 💛
If she can rap, write, and compose then yeah she's an ace!
OK but kyujin at 17 years being at fifteenth in vocals and 10th at dance
What did u expect ?
# 1 vocal : Wendy
# 1 dance : Seulgi
Best kpop duo
Agreed! 🫶🫶
YESS RED VELVET SLAYS
Even though yeri and Irene are ranked low in vocals (based off support), I think they still have such a great sense of musicality in terms of music key, harmonies, layers, stability, and lyricism (for yeri)
No way you put Ros’e that low in dance
JIWOOO YASSSSS BABEEEE ! no 2 for dancing while still a young group !
nmixx justt slayy !
2 & 3 - haely
2 - jiwoo
Seulgi is so talented❤️
Wendy 1st on vocal no surprise there. I know her dance kept improving but 18th on dance. Demmm. The improvement is crazy. Ace sonseungwan 💙💙💙
Red velvet and Aespa slay
how can jisoo and chaeryong be the weakest vocals (in their groups) if they are the lead vocalists
how can rosè be the weakest dance (in their groups) if she is the lead dancer
Chaeryong is sub vocalist tho
Bp is rap based group and jisoo has weakest vocals among them along with lisa bruhh
Positions don’t mean shit. Jihyo is the best dancer in her group yet she doesn’t have a dance position, Yuqi is the 2nd best vocalist and she doesn’t even have lead vocal ect. Chaer is sub vocalist and Jisoo isn’t a good vocalist, she just has an attractive voice. Rosé is stiff, dances awkwardly(due to her long limbs), has problem controlling her body and her power, often messes up the footwork and more.
Chaer is my itzy bias and Rosé is my bp bias so whatever you say idk
Already know seulgi will top vocal and dance
1st in dance
5th in vocal
The dance ranking was crazy omg😂
Truth hurts btw 🎉
@@reycousticxI’ve seen other rankings that say much different. How can we know which one is “true”?
@@riahlexington there are few facts there, but others are wrong
@@riahlexingtoncác bảng xếp hạng theo abcde, không có dẫn chứng là sai sự thật. Bảng này có độ uy tín cao
Haewon being the all rounder 16th at dance and 3th in vocals
Everyone at NMIXX is an All Rounder!
Will never regret her being my bias 🤍🤍🤍
She’s not that strong in rap
Was waiting for rap rank :’) good video btw, it just show to some people how some idol are underrated or overrated in some categories
Không có rap rank, chỉ có vocal, dance. Tất cả bảng xếp hạng rap đều là bịa đặt 🙁
Jihyo being 8th in vocal and 3rd in dance. Our GODDD is INSANE 🤩
Especially in the fact that she's JYPs
I respect your work and omg im so surprised that Chaeryeong is so low in vocals and that Momo is below Jihyo 😨 I am sor proud of Jiwoo being second but I somehow always knew since O.O she was such a powerful dancer
What surprises you? Did you expect Chaeryeong to have a higher place in vocal?
@@Rkive_thv-cr7beyeah because I know nothing about vocals I just started learning recently, I wasn't expecting her on like the top 20 ofc but just not 50th
@@solinkdc2645 I don't understand much vocal either, but there are videos explaining why Chaeryeong is in the top 50
Selugi deserves more 5th at vocal 1st in dance
Our talented queen
Red velvet on top ❤
rose #51 in DANCE??? u're probably joking right now because WHAT
Based in open style dance but I think she should be 50th
Rose is High Tier 7
What’s the problem? Don’t tell me, “she’s lead dancer” because that doesn’t justify it.
Vocal:
1)Liz
2)Yujin
3)Rei
4)Gaeul
5)Wonyoung
6)Leseo
Rap:
1)Rei
2)Gaeul
3)Yujin
4)Leeseo
5)Wonyoung
6)Liz
Dance:
1)Yujin
2)Gaeul
3)Leeseo
4)Liz
5)Wonyoung
6)Rei
Yujin is not ready to leave top 3!
Liz > rosé for me but it’s interchangeable
What the heck? I had a stroke
No you are just biased
the way yeri become the last at dance and seulgi become the first at dance
ALL ROUNDER JIWOO APRECIATION 🔥
can you do part 2 including rap and sp??🙂
And visual
@@P.a.l.e.s.t.i.n.e visual isn't a talent💀🤌🏻
@@annamathew7096 yes but what if we just want to know??
@@gwiwiin then search how much % each idol fit on kbs, visual ranking is useless
@@guigzsgoogle doesn’t give the answer right away, we have to look through stuff which is quite a waste of time if we don’t find it
OMG!! I DON'T BELIEVE THE VIDEO IS GOING TO COME OUT IN 3 HOURS!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
SLAYYYY Minty!! omg I was missing the long videos so much
Can I ask, how do you know all this informations? I mean, I geniuely don't know where to find them (about vocals and rap)
The fact that it is both rv members at top 1 for both categories their talent doesnt get recognized becuase of those dozen members ( yeri improved a lot)
which dozen? There's a lot..
TWICE 3 or 4
LE SSERAFIM 2
ITZY 1 (she's the dozen's dozen cuz she's better than most of dozens in dancing)
NMIXX 0 (I'd say none cuz all of them are good imo, even Bae)
IVE 1 (Leeseo is Wonyoung younger version)
RV 1
BP 1
Newjeans being a great dance group
ofc nmixx and redvelvet being amazing
Hanni 8th in dance is everything
nayeon is absolutely better than jennie in dance 😭😭😭
It's open style
@@marangelysgonzalez8203 in open style nayeon better than hennie
@@swiglies6418 jennie is improve
when jennie wants she can EAT
6:52 What song and where is the excerpt from?
all new jeans members came under 15 in dance it shows new jeans is the best dance group
but many people will disagree this becuase their dance steps is not hard as itzy nmixx but their choreogrphy is based on open style thats why they are good at dancing
Actually NJ dance is the hardest, it's not fully coordinated dance but every member have different move when they keep in sincronisation
For me Twice and Ive are the vocal queens✨
And of course I don't know about dance queens but Momo and Jihyo are the Emperesses of Dancing 💖
🔴IT'S MY OPINION
the new layout is so good!
How did you make the video?
Minty slaying as usual.
But i have some disagreements
• I don't think you should use Underdeveloped to Weak, this isn’t a real Tier.
• I don't think you should put Yujin/Rei/Minnie in a different tier as Mina/Chaeyoung (I didn't said Jennie, because she could be a really low w, but That's arguable), they are the same.
• Liz doesn't have G#3/A3 - A4, her supported range is A3 - A4/Bb4, she has never supported a G#3.
• Hyein is Weak tier and stronger than Haerin imo.
• Chaewon has enough development for say she has A3/Bb3 on her supported range.
• Yunjin has supported head voice up to G#5 (at best) (but I don't know how consistent her hv is.)
Mina jennie and chaeyoung all were weak at a time their just less consistent they have a support range arguably weak but lack engagement with their diaphragm, undeveloped are those who haven't supported but are relaxed its unfair to put people who's support is inconsistent there because they have actually supported, Liz has supported G#3 but since Debut its debatable, haerin is the second best Vocalist in New jeans ,yunjin head voice is extremely consistent but she supported Eb5/E5 in head voice no more no less.
@@katykim not sure about Rei, but Yujin and Minnie have occiasional moments of support too, and are more than "just relaxed", and that is the reason why I said they should be on the same level as Jennie, Mina, Chaeyoung.
@@katykim the weak tier already encompasses the differences between support, low weak is for those who have had occasional support or that is extremely inconsistent and shallow (Mina, Chaeyoung and jennie), mid weak is for those who have shown support more than low weak and is less inconsistent, but not enough to be high weak (Sinb, Yoon and Yeji), and the high weak show almost all the time shallow support but have some inconsistent moments (Chaewon, Joy and Lia), no need to invent another tier
@@reinaldolemus169 Sinb and the trio aren't weak tho
@@Oliver-uz1fs They reanalyzed them and the three were left as Mid Weak (E), since they do not meet the standard of an E+
Jihyo is really THAT girl, the better vocalist and best dancer in Twice ❤
the dance ranking💀
SO EXCITED❤
Jihyo being 8th in vocals and 3rd in dance
Rose is a lead dancer? Why is she so low
NMIXX is such an Insane Group
In Vocals
All 6 members in Top 20
3 members in top 10
Nd 2 members In Top 3!!
In Dance
All 6 members r minimum at level High Tier 7!! (Which is the level of best dancer in many groups)
Haewon being Low Tier 6
Kyujin High 6 ranked in Top 10
Nd Jiwoo Taking 2nd Spot Overall with her level of Low Tier 5 making her One of the best dancers in 4th Gen!!
Truly Amazing
NMIXX is such an All Rounded Group
Even in Rap though not as strong as their Dance nd Vocals , Still is quite good and all 6 members have shown the potential as rappers while Jiwoo Being Good at Rapping
Kyujin Sullyoon Haewon Bae nd Lily have proved they can rap too in their Videos!!
Nd Btw Not Newjeans being one of the best dance groups in 4th gen!!
Woah Jihyo beated Momo in Dancing 😱🤯
this is not an accurate ranking
Yes, unfortunately it is biased
@@littlered444It's accurate
@@Hrts.4.itzyyyNot biased, it's based on open style
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPLY TO COMMENTS AND SAY THIS IS BASED ON OPEN STYLE?
CHAERYOUNG IS BETTER VOCALIST THAN SAKURA(i think sakura must be the last,no hate I love her)
Omg i cannot with this storage i already used up im troubling 😭 very hard work you did you deserve all the views wait seulgi is mid tier 5 ?
For now, yes
@@Minty_Sana omg i already believe she is mid 5
The lowest Mid T5, for now
13:16 song name please (
Aight so average placement:
Vocals:
Aespa: 8,75
Nmixx: 11
Red Velvet: 22,6
NewJeans: 28
Twice: 31,33
(S)I-DLE: 31,4
Blackpink: 31,5
LE SSERAFIM: 32,2
Ive: 36,67
Itzy: 37
Dance:
NewJeans: 11 (omg, I was not aware of that at all)
Nmixx: 17,33
Itzy: 18,4
Aespa: 27,75
(S)I-DLE: 28,6 (huh, I expected them to be lower)
LE SSERAFIM: 29
Twice: 32,11
Blackpink: 33,5
Red Velvet: 33,8
Ive: 40,5 (saved by Yujin💀)
My fav:
1. Itzy
2. Blackpink
3. Nmixx
4. Aespa
5. (G)I-DLE with 6 members
6. LE SSERAFIM (surpassed TWICE with this comeback)
7. TWICE
8. Ive
9. Red Velvet
10. NewJeans
11. (S)I-DLE with 5 members
NMIXX ATEEEEE !
Lisa should be higher in the dance category
Wendy ace and all rounder, vocal queen 🔥🥰
que ranking de dança é esse?
Ofc red velvet are the true queens
I feel like it’s very important to recognize the supported head, voice of vocalists like yunjin, Wendy and such, that’s still a very important part of the registers, and the fact that you were completely ignoring them even in the supported range is unfair
Scratch that, you completely ignored Yunjins head voice and only hers A3-B4(C5)-G/G#5
@@dalsonyan the G5 IS part of yunjin"s head voice😐 and yunjin mix is so inconsistent to be B4 and she doesnt support C5 IN MIX Neither, shes A3-Bb4/B4-Eb5
@@afeliz2642 yes, they completely ignored the two notes even in the update, and, if you use proper notation, you can properly acknowledge her full range
@@dalsonyan she just has an average head voice…it’s not like she’s going to downgrade the hardest for not putting head voice
The most important registers for sopranos is the mix/belt so even if she has the greatest head voice if she doesn’t fix many aspects of her mid-belts she’s not going to be better vocalist
@@afeliz2642 I’m not worried about the tiering, I’m worried about the notation
Sullyoon on 9th at vocal and 30th at dance most talented visual from these groups
No don't feel like I am just dragging other visual down no sullyoon just is so talented despite her knowing tabt she will get in without talent
Bae dozen who cares to call her that 20th at dance and vocal both
bae & sully outdance & outsing their main & lead vocal & dancer
1, this ranking cleary is not the best(is not that bad but has to change a lot of things), like chaer from itzy being last in her group when she has better placement and relax momets than yuna or ryunji
with that said, sullyoon is not near to being the most talent visual when winter is here, winter has better vocals, dance and rap by far than her
@@pinkystar6469Sullyoon definitely doesn’t outsing Lily
Wendy and Seulgi 🔥
The main slayer
Seulgi number 1 in dance??? Bro Lisa and momo-
They arent half as good lmao yes they are in top 10 but not number one 💀
@@WoNYOUngfallingoffaBigbIgStAGe ur opinion babe 😘 I was stating a fact... Momo and Lisa r better luv 😔
@@amelialalisa its not an opinion its a fact seulgi is better lol sad you cant handle the truth🫶😙
@@WoNYOUngfallingoffaBigbIgStAGe sure... Go cry to ur Plastic wonyoung pick me 😂😂😂
open style~ NOT IDOL DANCE OMH
the dance list is definitely a list
Why is Shuhua so high
Finally, I've been wait for your long video ranked, love it💕
No rap category?
My phone’s storage was on the verge of crying
@@Minty_Sana how about a part 2 including only rap ?
not evrryone can rap
@@NingKook_ Stage Presence too?
@@Minty_Sana oh
This isn't about our beloved idols or the video, but I want to say this to you, Minty Sana:
You've always been one of the most unbiased TH-camrs (in the k-pop community) and one of my favorites indeed. You know how to make a good ranking and list. You have some of the most agreeable rankings. I totally approve of Seulgi being moved to Mid Tier 5, she's super satisfying to watch. I agree with Ryujin being a Low Tier 5, I just love the way she dances. I agree with Chaeyoung being a Low Tier 7 instead of a Mid Tier 7, she's pretty stiff. But, back to you, your editing is super good and the format is great too. Super unbiased and great explanations and details. I feel like people value support too little. It's a big saving grace on a vocalist. Yoohyeon has support, and Siyeon doesn't. She may have it now, Dreamcatcher is a small group, so it's hard to find updated rankings on them, but I believe Yoohyeon has had it for a while. Support is what would put her above Siyeon. Also, if this isn't too much to ask, could you rank Dreamcatcher? I really need a good unbiased ranking for my ultimate group, and you happen to be very trustworthy with that question. Also, in your opinion, who is a better vocalist? Wendy or Taeyeon? I see it as a big debate everywhere, so I'd like an answer. In my opinion, I'd say Wendy, but she's my bias and I have no idea about vocal. I'm more knowledgeable on rap and dance. So, this is more me ranting about idols now, so I better finish it up before I go off about LE SSERAFIM's comeback lol. Anyways, hope you enjoyed my sweet message and love from karomi!
Taeyeon is quite better afaik
Actually Siyeon has support, she was misuvaluated.
Yoohyeon is low Average
Siyeon mid Weak to Average
SuA and JiU Low Weak to Average
Handong has some grasp of support, but is inconsistent
Gahyeon and Dami doesn't support
@@Lss125 My bad, shouldn’t have assumed. I saw videos from a while ago saying she didn’t have support, and some saying she does from just a little while ago, making me assume she does have it now, but didn’t back then. So, my bad, and thanks for the kind correction. I’ll make sure to remember who supports and who doesn’t for the future. God, I’m a bad Insomnia lol.
@@Minty_Sana Thank you! Maybe shouldn’t have been biased there. Thanks for the facts. :)
@@KaiIsNotFineTaeyeon is really better. Tbh Wendy mix is like High AA level, She is Just in Low P due to her developed registers (Lower and upper)
This is pretty accurate, but imo vocals would be like this
1. Wendy (B+)
2. Lily (B-/B)
3. Haewon (B-)
4. Ningning (C+/B-)
5. Yunjin (C/C+)
6. Seulgi (C)
7. Winter (C)
8. Jihyo (C-/C)
9. Sullyoon (C-)
10. Jeongyeon (D+/C-)
11. Giselle (D+/C-)
12. Karina (D+)
13. Kyujin (D+)
14. Nayeon (D+)
15. Jiwoo (D/D+)
16. Miyeon (D)
17. Rosé (D)
18. Liz (D)
19. Hanni (D)
20. Bae (D-)
21. Lia (E+/D-)
22. Joy (E+/D-)
23. Yuqi (E+/D-)
24. Haerin (E+/D-)
25. Chaewon (E+/D-)
26. Danielle (E+)
27. Yeji (E+)
28. Mina (E+)
29. Chaeyoung (E)
30. Hyein (E)
31. Jennie (E-)
32. Eunchae (F+)
33. Minnie (F+)
34. Yujin (F+)
35. Tzuyu (F+)
36. Chaeryeong (F+)
37. Minji (F+)
38. Rei (F+)
39. Gaeul (F+)
40. Yuna (F+)
41. Jisoo (F+)
42. Wonyoung (F/F+)
43. Leeseo (F/F+)
44. Soyeon (F/F+)
45. Irene (F/F+)
46. Yeri (F/F+)
47. Shuhua (F/F+)
48. Sana (F)
49. Lisa (F)
50. Ryujin (F)
51. Dahyun (F)
52. Kazuha (F-/F)
53. Momo (F-)
54. Sakura (F-)
Agree. No idea how Sakura and Shuhua got so high on their ranking, and Wonyoung absolutely isn't as far from the others in IVE as she was originally put. I still think Shuhua should be lower than everyone here except maybe Sakura since she's quite literally tone deaf, but your ranking makes much more sense.
The only thing I would really change is that Yunjin is absolutely not better than Seulgi. There's an argument for Winter and Jihyo to be had but the only thing she has over Seulgi is head voice, but this is a support ranking, and I think Seulgi (and likely Jihyo) are more supported than Yunjin.
Is there enough material to deem Giselle at a C- and definitively better than Nayeon? I feel like she hasn't sung enough to be able to tell how good she is but I suppose if we're going by support alone that could make sense.
I think NingNing and Winter are better in vocal than Heawon💀🌚
You're so talented
I can't imagine ranking so many Idols in so many categories
You deserve sm more
Wow. Nmixx over all rankings are really impressive.
wait how come yeri is low when she is confident in singing unlike others few spots mentioned after her
What about rap and stage presence?
Jennie must go all the way in the dance :33
Lily deserve that, go girll! 😩
Not sure regarding Minnie but Yujin is definitely better than Jennie/Chaeyoung
I guess Minnie had supported a few times?
I saw it somewhere being mentioned I don’t quite remember
@@Minty_Sanayour ranking is so stupid
Nmixx and red velvet best groups
the fact that 4/6 nmixx members are higher than the 1/x in other groups is insane!
oh also aespa all being top 13 wow
I think kpop idols should be ranked as performers, not dancers. Dancing is part of performing and it's very important, but if someone dances well with stiff or bad facial expressions, even if their dancing is great, they're not good as a performer.
Exactly.
Yeri better than sakura , shuhua , kazuha & gaeul
Hello 👋 I'm a huge fan of MAMAMOO. Just curious how you think my girls would have done in this ranking 😁
hanni is truly one to look out for!! main vocal AND main dancer of her group???? truly the next it girl
SEULGI & WENDY SLAYSS
is it just me or anyone else have a feeling that Wendy will come first on the vocal list
please tell me how you are ranking dance?
based on open style
i actually had a panic attack when i saw minnie at 31 and cmon can yall not agree that minnie is a slighly alot better than yuqi (i am not hating yuqi also has great vocals) 😭😭
Momo is the Best Dancer
rap and sp?😢
I think best top 5
Rap style
Soyeon>Lisa>Rei>Jennie>Ryujin
Stage presence
Soyeon>Ryujin>Yeji>Jihyo>Yuna
@@aliceyat2793 Sp ??? soyeon over Jihyo 💀💀 grl i know the top 5 five I just want to see bottom list
@@aliceyat2793i think in stage presence yuna better than ryujin and yeji
I think you forgot smth in the title “your opinion”