This is vindication for Starship. SpaceX has made enough progress that there is little doubt that the concept works. And copying a working design is a time honoured tradition. That’s why all modern airliners have winglets and ships have a bridge - all features that started off as a bright idea that everyone saw that it worked well and copied it.
They laughed when he said he could do it for 7 million. Reusable rockets had been done before like the space shuttle, buran, delta clipper ect. Even with hundreds of launches they are no where near that price point.
Starship was in the planning stage more then 10 years ago. Hopefully we can see a prototype from ESA and other entity even before the first Starship land on Mars.
why would you spend 19 BILLION dollars on a sample return mission, when you have a company who's sole objective is to get to Mars? Ask them to bring you a sample. This seems to be a complete waste of resources
Who else is stoked on stoke space ! I love there design for the second stage. Of course the tried and true 1st stage falcon 9 design but with methane engines is awesome too. I hope they are successful.
China’s concepts for the gantry style booster catch system, and the other similar one we saw a while back that used 4 cables to close in on the booster actually seem like really cool ideas that could allow for a greater margin of error during a booster catch. So, it was such a bummer seeing Cosmoleap’s blatant mechazilla clone. They had the perfect opportunity to develop some innovative new tech, but I guess that’s just not China’s style. Still hoping to see someone else pursue those ideas in the future though.
I think the chopsticks offer just as good of margin as the two metal sleds shown. The chopsticks, as highlighted when loading/unloading the rocket, can close to the needed width regardless of where the rocket is. So if for whatever reason it's 30ft (~10m) off to either side, it can still accommodate. Now, whether their system has the ability to dynamically determine its needed catch position, is another matter entirely. However, admittedly, that gantry method offers equal support regardless of where it is. Whereas with the chopsticks, things might become dicey if it has to catch it at the end of them. The cable system IS very dynamic, but I question how safe it would be for really large rockets. Falcon 9 size, ok, but New Glen or Starship/Super Heavy... I'd he concerned! Not only are the cable's lacking a suitable footprint to catch on (the resulting force on a small area) might cut the rocket. Also, the cables themselves can get all distorted and would have to be kept extremely taut to keep the cables straight. (look at the arresting cables in an aircraft carrier as an example) If they ever get far enough into development to testt their methods, it'll definitely be interesting to watch how it pans out! 😁
"not China's style" are you kidding ? how can they possibly have style ? everything they do is "got to beat the west, got to beat the west, because we know we are still backwards but we want to prove to ourselves and everyone else that we are intelligent, civilized, advanced"
Besides Rocket Lab Haste or perhaps in its place there is a Rocket Lab note on orbital Electron launch of Kineis III NET Nov 23 from NZ. Haste usually launches from Wallops.
The main problem with ESA is politics rather than money. Europe has only one spot for efficient orbital launch and it's in french Guiana, and obviously for long time France was putting additional hurdlers to anyone but their own Arian space to launch from there. And ariane itself just grew lazy and inefficient, as any monopoly eventually does.
The main problem is money rather than politics. Developing such large rockets is expensive and nobody wants to fund them, especially when it is a foreign company. And France/Germany won't fund a RFA/ArianeSpace rocket individually either. Just too expensive.
SpaceX is getting close to having a seven-day-duration rolling time-interval in which they average one launch per twenty-four-hour-duration time-subinterval thereïn.
This feels a lot like Gattaca. We (= humanity) are sending up a huge amount of rockets but nobody seems to be willing to send astronauts outside the protection of the van Allen belts.
The truth is that in Europe space isn't of any interest. The push forward programs just to don't fall too back behind.. no real excitement or interest about it
I think China and Europe will be able to compete with SpaceX in few years. All that is required is a goal; lots of skilled engineers, time, and lots of money. China and Europe has everything that is required. SpaceX provided the goal.
Funny how words have completely different meanings in other languages, huh? Another comment said it most likely (loosely) translates to "Gentle Giant".
In 2021, NASA entered into a firm fixed-price contract with SpaceX valued at US$2.89 billion, spread over a number of years to develop and manufacture the Starship HLS lunar lander, as well as the execution of two operational flights: an uncrewed demonstration mission and a crewed lunar landing. Can Space X safely land NASA astronauts near the lunar South Pole before China’s lands their first crewed mission at the same location?
@imaginary_friend7300 the shuttle is the reason we were even able to do everything we have since the 80s. Obviously China and the dreamliner are designs directly related to what the shuttle looked like.
why reinvent the wheel? SpaceX use the grid fin design used on missiles for many years so why can't we all benefit from someone's ideas? Life isn't always a competition you know.
Nobody is going to fund these large ESA rockets, unfortunately. Not even NASA funded Starship or New Glenn development (NASA only payed for HLS which doesn't include the rocket development). They were both self funded by billionaires. That won't happen for RFA / ArianeSpace.
ESA neither has the time, money or will to develop a Starship competitor. What Europeans should do is negotiate with SpaceX to put a Starship launch and landing pad in Guiana Space Centre and buy completed Starships and learn how to launch and operate them just like an airline buys and operates Boeing or Airbus jets. Overtime the ESA and build their own Starship wannabe. Until then they'll able to stay in the space business.
It's not fair to compare directly. BO followed the more traditional legacy path. The rocket they're getting ready to fly is for all intents and purposed done with development and will be mission ready (so they hope - some tweaks are not uncommon after a first flight). Starship is as much as a year out from being mission ready yet, but the spacex approach does produce fast results, usually at a higher cost in terms of breaking stuff.
@@imaginary_friend7300 The problem is, Blue Origin's approach makes them more vulnerable to long periods between launches, let alone if things dont go right. SpaceX launches more often and has had to tweak things all along, if Blue Origin can't get it right in even three tries, it could take them years to nail the objectives reliably
@ravshanoday1073 agree. I'm skeptical of BO ability to land first time. Spacex have hundreds of landings but still need to experiment with ss. Why and how would BO be able skip this step? Do they have some proprietary method for verifying a design? I doubt it. BO- best case is a ballistic attack on their drone ship. Worst case it disintegrates during reentry
@@JamesHardaker remember that they do have landing experience in the company with new shepherd. yes, at much lower velocities, but it's valuable all the same.
Well considering Elon wants it commercialized and it may be the only way to actually build 1000 Starships like he wants. It is only a matter of time before countries around the world gain access to the technology. It will be used for Cargo missions on Earth, Elite transportation and Space flight.
Copy cats have grown far from any guilt of shame. (ESA, PISA etc ... 🤭🤭) Thats not the big deal, while their concept animation rocks 06:15 (and is exactly like SpaceX Starship🤭🤭), even after copying, is sheepishly promised for 2030 ...! 2030 ..? Really ..? 2030 is just a perspective on the original thought and action that has gone on the SpaceX efforts.
Man, Spacex is light years ahead of everyone
Yes , if it can actually lift anything.
Untill its finished, then people will just copy like every other piece of technology ever invented.
People will just copy it. I don't know why they are deleting my comment.
@@markmonaghan2309 it probably won't be able to lift your stupidity
@@markmonaghan2309 Falcon 9's been sending payload after payload to space since 2010
now this is the space updates I love. seeing rocket companies all around the world making progress on their own unique designs to further spaceflight.
This is vindication for Starship. SpaceX has made enough progress that there is little doubt that the concept works. And copying a working design is a time honoured tradition.
That’s why all modern airliners have winglets and ships have a bridge - all features that started off as a bright idea that everyone saw that it worked well and copied it.
Absolutely nailed the Interferometry line!
They laughed when Elon said they were going to reuse first stage boosters, then they laughed at the starship design.
They laughed when he said he could do it for 7 million. Reusable rockets had been done before like the space shuttle, buran, delta clipper ect. Even with hundreds of launches they are no where near that price point.
Thanks Elysia for another awesome TWIS! Thank you & NSF!
@NASASpaceflight in my opinion you have excelled in your field and are the go to in SpaceX coverage! Thank you!
Elysia you are the best! Thanks for all the updates. You present everything in such a fun way. ♥♥♥
From the Flame Trench straight here.
Me too
Starship was in the planning stage more then 10 years ago. Hopefully we can see a prototype from ESA and other entity even before the first Starship land on Mars.
What a great job you are doing NASASpaceflight. Your team keeps getting better and better. Very professional. Thanks!
why would you spend 19 BILLION dollars on a sample return mission, when you have a company who's sole objective is to get to Mars? Ask them to bring you a sample. This seems to be a complete waste of resources
Elon time means it could be decades before he gets there.
Or maybe you believe everything the fascist oligarch tells you?
Because the company isn't for sure going to get to mars. They will probably make a good leo launcher and moon lander
I like how you cover space news from all around the world! Cool earrings! 😊🚀
Let's go!! I love this constant stream stuff, I've been watching since I got off work! Great stuff!
I love this channel. I'm learning a lot of new words...er... i mean acronyms 😂
Who else is stoked on stoke space ! I love there design for the second stage. Of course the tried and true 1st stage falcon 9 design but with methane engines is awesome too. I hope they are successful.
Thank you NSF !.
Elysia and NSF, y'all rock! ❤ Peace 🤘
Their greatest challenge will probably be recreating the Raptor engines.
Reckon these could be fished up just off the coast of hawaii?
they will steal the designs, like usual...
I am excited to see that the space race has been restarted! 💪🏻
Howdy all! Figured I’d watch this before I went back and watched the beginning of the flame trench
You should be part of the live events!!!
China’s concepts for the gantry style booster catch system, and the other similar one we saw a while back that used 4 cables to close in on the booster actually seem like really cool ideas that could allow for a greater margin of error during a booster catch. So, it was such a bummer seeing Cosmoleap’s blatant mechazilla clone. They had the perfect opportunity to develop some innovative new tech, but I guess that’s just not China’s style. Still hoping to see someone else pursue those ideas in the future though.
Lived in China for years some years ago.
Generally, they fear risk-taking. Sadly, it's been beaten out of them.
I think the chopsticks offer just as good of margin as the two metal sleds shown. The chopsticks, as highlighted when loading/unloading the rocket, can close to the needed width regardless of where the rocket is. So if for whatever reason it's 30ft (~10m) off to either side, it can still accommodate. Now, whether their system has the ability to dynamically determine its needed catch position, is another matter entirely.
However, admittedly, that gantry method offers equal support regardless of where it is. Whereas with the chopsticks, things might become dicey if it has to catch it at the end of them.
The cable system IS very dynamic, but I question how safe it would be for really large rockets. Falcon 9 size, ok, but New Glen or Starship/Super Heavy... I'd he concerned! Not only are the cable's lacking a suitable footprint to catch on (the resulting force on a small area) might cut the rocket. Also, the cables themselves can get all distorted and would have to be kept extremely taut to keep the cables straight. (look at the arresting cables in an aircraft carrier as an example)
If they ever get far enough into development to testt their methods, it'll definitely be interesting to watch how it pans out! 😁
"not China's style" are you kidding ? how can they possibly have style ? everything they do is "got to beat the west, got to beat the west, because we know we are still backwards but we want to prove to ourselves and everyone else that we are intelligent, civilized, advanced"
The race is getting hotter
11:24 In this case, "A lot messier" seem to be the right world, since it recognizes the fact the newer version is far from being NOT a mess...
Really liked the review of chinas space industry this week
In these first steps of Space Colonization, it matters to be first but there is lots of space and targets for everyone. IF they can reach them
lol the Chinese don’t even try to hide the fact that they copy and paste.
People can copy and paste and put it together all they want, but they'll never get the true essence of the design.
Goodmorning!
The RFA concept is basically just a stretched New Glenn.
1:54 It looks like a space worm that is going to swallow that satellite.
Mars sample return mission: Starship 2028. Human hands already flight-proven.
Besides Rocket Lab Haste or perhaps in its place there is a Rocket Lab note on orbital Electron launch of Kineis III NET Nov 23 from NZ. Haste usually launches from Wallops.
Yes, the Electron launch will be featured on next Friday's episode
Czech Republic mentiont ❤
The orbital info is the apogee x perigee?
perigee x apogee
3:54 even taller than starship. I really want to see this rocket take off soon
I know re-usability makes things cheaper but I still feel like ESA wont be able to afford it
The main problem with ESA is politics rather than money. Europe has only one spot for efficient orbital launch and it's in french Guiana, and obviously for long time France was putting additional hurdlers to anyone but their own Arian space to launch from there. And ariane itself just grew lazy and inefficient, as any monopoly eventually does.
The main problem is money rather than politics. Developing such large rockets is expensive and nobody wants to fund them, especially when it is a foreign company. And France/Germany won't fund a RFA/ArianeSpace rocket individually either. Just too expensive.
You're such a darling Elysia ❤
I like the name How Long? I think in a somewhat free style it translates to Gentle Giant.
Awesome
perfect timing from the flame trench, got here at 0 seconds
I cant believe that bit about that silly test stand made the news. That's some underwhelming hardware.
Goodmorning
I like how SpaceX doesn't have to show cgi concepts anymore
That Deadline - when ??? When is the deadline?
SpaceX is getting close to having a seven-day-duration rolling time-interval in which they average one launch per twenty-four-hour-duration time-subinterval thereïn.
This feels a lot like Gattaca. We (= humanity) are sending up a huge amount of rockets but nobody seems to be willing to send astronauts outside the protection of the van Allen belts.
ESA is about 10 years behind the times! Do they have any visionaries in that organization yet?
The truth is that in Europe space isn't of any interest. The push forward programs just to don't fall too back behind.. no real excitement or interest about it
@@samuelecsadly
ESA = French space agency 👻
Where is the 'E' ? Only in the list of financers ?
@@bineetgupta European Space Agency. CNES is the purely French one
the AVIC announced resusable cargo plane called ""HowLong"!!!. So how long till the first of Dream Chaser clone launching on a clone of Falcon9 ?!? XD
is there anything china can do without copying ?
SPACEX: WELL, WELL, WELL
they must i want to see star wars irl
wait what
So much Space Traffic!
I think China and Europe will be able to compete with SpaceX in few years. All that is required is a goal; lots of skilled engineers, time, and lots of money. China and Europe has everything that is required. SpaceX provided the goal.
Love the updates, but the constant background music is hard on my tinnitus. :(
for how much SpaceX is launching, I'm surprised they don't need more drone ships. Especially on the west coast
Some of the falcon 9s return to launch site 😁 Not sure what the ratio between droneship and return to launch site is 😁
"space launch program" aka. SLAP :)
SO SPACE IS A CARTOON
The 1444 pages bureaucratic impact FONSI is interesting. Everything else isn't as bureaucratic as it could be.
cool earrings
in Worfs voice, " China is without honor "
Fyi - Czech surname Svoboda literally means "freedom" in czech language.
7:40
𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐋𝐨𝐧𝐠 ...!
𝖱𝖾𝖺𝗅𝗅𝗒 ..?
Funny how words have completely different meanings in other languages, huh?
Another comment said it most likely (loosely) translates to "Gentle Giant".
At least its not called "Long Dong".
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This is a nice format like news but not bull poop 💩😂🎉
I guess the CCC (CA Coastal Commission) is not very relevant anymore! Serves then right! LOL!
Rockets!!!
In 2021, NASA entered into a firm fixed-price contract with SpaceX valued at US$2.89 billion, spread over a number of years to develop and manufacture the Starship HLS lunar lander, as well as the execution of two operational flights: an uncrewed demonstration mission and a crewed lunar landing. Can Space X safely land NASA astronauts near the lunar South Pole before China’s lands their first crewed mission at the same location?
I think it’s funny how much people knock the Space Shuttle but yet are trying to copy it.
The shuttle did indeed miss almost all of the design goals.. Who's trying to copy?
@imaginary_friend7300 the shuttle is the reason we were even able to do everything we have since the 80s. Obviously China and the dreamliner are designs directly related to what the shuttle looked like.
The clause "besides the linguistic contortionism" is more than a little ironic.
Do you know, China is copy of master in the world🗿
Still think blue is gonna fall to Bergers Law and not launch till 2025
Everybody copy spaceX, quick! :D
I know but starship launch = big usa / I think it's see starship launch = small china 😅
China needs to rename their space plane. Lol
That's not going to happen China & Europe can't get a ship in space just watch see what happens
why reinvent the wheel? SpaceX use the grid fin design used on missiles for many years so why can't we all benefit from someone's ideas? Life isn't always a competition you know.
Don't you know when only china does it then only then it's a copy otherwise it's a imprint.
If it works it's good 👍 doesn't matter wether it's a copy or imprint
if you lookup copy cay in wiki you will see china picture lol!
hello
Woot
The earrings are out of this world
Good to know China is bringing us plastic Starship and Dreamchaser by 2090
ESA, blablabla, ... we will not see any of that in a decade!
Nobody is going to fund these large ESA rockets, unfortunately. Not even NASA funded Starship or New Glenn development (NASA only payed for HLS which doesn't include the rocket development). They were both self funded by billionaires. That won't happen for RFA / ArianeSpace.
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Those guys can do that stuff next year, the will do it by 2034 is politics
That's a weird looking cigarette.
ESA neither has the time, money or will to develop a Starship competitor. What Europeans should do is negotiate with SpaceX to put a Starship launch and landing pad in Guiana Space Centre and buy completed Starships and learn how to launch and operate them just like an airline buys and operates Boeing or Airbus jets. Overtime the ESA and build their own Starship wannabe. Until then they'll able to stay in the space business.
SpaceX won't sell Starships.
If the whole video is not about your title AND there is not bookmarked chapters, then you are making clickbait videos. Shame on you.
I kinda don't like the Chinese copying American technologies, but I guess imitation is a form of flattery. I'm just not flattered
China number one for copycat😂
hmm...
Why will it cost us as much to get a rock from Mars as it did to put humans on the Moon six times? 😐
ESA is never going to make those rockets. Why waste billions to have something less capable and more expensive than starship?
Simple answer: No - Europe does not have a Meglomanic Elon - fortunately.
Unfortunately
@@cube2foxhe is just jealous 😁
We are alot of European that would love a version of Musk and SpaceX 😁👌
takes blue origin so long to build one rocket compared to SpaceX
It's not fair to compare directly. BO followed the more traditional legacy path. The rocket they're getting ready to fly is for all intents and purposed done with development and will be mission ready (so they hope - some tweaks are not uncommon after a first flight). Starship is as much as a year out from being mission ready yet, but the spacex approach does produce fast results, usually at a higher cost in terms of breaking stuff.
@@imaginary_friend7300 The problem is, Blue Origin's approach makes them more vulnerable to long periods between launches, let alone if things dont go right. SpaceX launches more often and has had to tweak things all along, if Blue Origin can't get it right in even three tries, it could take them years to nail the objectives reliably
@ravshanoday1073 agree. I'm skeptical of BO ability to land first time. Spacex have hundreds of landings but still need to experiment with ss. Why and how would BO be able skip this step? Do they have some proprietary method for verifying a design? I doubt it.
BO- best case is a ballistic attack on their drone ship. Worst case it disintegrates during reentry
@@JamesHardaker remember that they do have landing experience in the company with new shepherd. yes, at much lower velocities, but it's valuable all the same.
@@0x5DA indeed it's useful. Spacex had starhopper and whatnot, still wasn't enough. Vertical take off and landing was even solved b4 spacex
Man… lot’s of homework being copied here…. 🙄
Well considering Elon wants it commercialized and it may be the only way to actually build 1000 Starships like he wants. It is only a matter of time before countries around the world gain access to the technology. It will be used for Cargo missions on Earth, Elite transportation and Space flight.
Copy cats have grown far from any guilt of shame. (ESA, PISA etc ... 🤭🤭)
Thats not the big deal, while their concept animation rocks 06:15 (and is exactly like SpaceX Starship🤭🤭), even after copying, is sheepishly promised for 2030 ...!
2030 ..? Really ..?
2030 is just a perspective on the original thought and action that has gone on the SpaceX efforts.