Mate , I struggle like hell on the trumpet. I played fanatically for 25 years ad it just will not play. I have turned to sax and bass and realise trumpet is just no fun whats so ever. Its completely unforgiving ad treacherous. Spent a fortune on lessons and gear. I think its important if you try to learn trumpet : you learn another instrument (not brass related). Chances are you wont be able to play it to an acceptable level or have a nice sound. Further other musicians will not want to join in with you. Unlike other instruments ; trumpet makes, and mouthpeices do almost nothing. The trumpet is you and you alone. If you have an unforgiving anatomy then its like buying a faulty instrument. Faulty instruments can be fixed, your anatomy cannot. If you realise you cant play at least you have the other instrument to fall back on. Having tried playing other instrument groups I massively and I mean massively regret ever coming across one .
While I would never assume I understand your position, I can however attest to what brought me back to the trumpet. Although I do not by any means consider myself a great trumpet player or even musician, I do play almost every day in my career as a school music teacher, and I understand this to be a very privileged position as I get to guide young children on the first steps of their musical journey. In my search for answers, I came across a Dr. Karl Sievers from the university of Oklahoma, It was through him that I came across the concept of flow studies and a book by the great Arnold Jacobs called 'Song and Wind'. It was through the advice I received from Dr Sievers and the book that I came to understand these two simple concepts, 1- Be relaxed: Any tension in the body and the quality of the sound will suffer. When I play a note I imagine I am sighing. The breath in is silent and free, and the breath out to produce the sound is relaxed and open as if I am sighing at the end of a hard day. 2- Imagine the sound: Every single note that comes out of my trumpet is imagined in my mind before I play it - I am singing everything I play in my mind, while I am playing it. More often than not when I mess up a note, it is because I sang it wrong in my head. Perhaps I would have found a way back to the trumpet on my own, but as things stand, I can honestly say that I owe my return to Dr. Sievers, who gave me advice over the internet and expected nothing in return.
Thank you. I am also a comeback trumpet player. I'm 61 and I was off for 23 years. I played a 6310z for years before I quit playing. I recently got another 6310z recently and I'm back on the hunt!! I love my 6310z and I'm sure the 8310z is every bit as enjoyable and sweet as my older model Yamaha Bobby Shew horn. You sound great on your Z. I would say though, I prefer your sound on the Taylor, as well. Very nice. Thank you, Keep it up.
You have a nice tone. I like the sound on the taylor myself when you played. You have a jazz type of tone warm and dark. My grandfather played on both a conn 22 and a Martin. On the Martin he sounded darker to me. My grandfather was bunny berigan. He played on three diffrent trumpets from what i read. I like a darker sound. You got that really nice. I use to play the trumpet 20 years ago for fun. I had a Mt Vernon bach trumpet that was on the dark side and my friend had a Taylor trumpet. I found his Taylor was even better when i played it then my Mt Vernon. I also had trouble playing above the staff when i played. I got a book called sail the seven seas i forget the persons name who wrote it. I pratice it everyday for two years along with other stuff like colins and arbans. I was able to play above high c and had good staying power. I found playing very softly in the upper staff help me a lot. Good job on the vidio.
I prefer the 8310Z because it captures the bright and happy Armstrong character, how it intonates, how it will stay under a singer without loss of clarity, and it sounds like it works for you rather than you are working for it. That is not to say the Taylor is bad: It is different. It’s quite possible the Taylor blends better and is more appropriate in larger and perhaps more formal ensembles. And that’s what’s in your ear.
You can change the sound massively by changing your mouthpiece. My standard is a Bach/Blessing 3C. I tried a 3D and it was a huge change in sound. I didn't like it, ultimately. The Shew Jazz is about halfway between the two. People play on all kinds of mouthpieces, some like big tubby 1.25's, some like 7C's, Louis Armstrong was said to play "whatever came in the box" with the new trumpets the trumpet companies kept sending him. I heard Chet Baker played a 6A so I tried to get a 6A, was able to find a 7A and wow, what a different sound. Tine Thing Helseth, the wonderful classical player, is said to play a very deep, small MP almost like a French horn MP and sounds wonderful on it.
Really enjoyed your demo and personal story. This is one of the best trumpet reviews I've seen on TH-cam. The Taylor is obviously darker with more core as opposed to the Yamaha. I would keep the Yamaha you might find that it's better for certain kinds of music as opposed to the Taylor. Thanks for posting, really enjoyed this!
Thanks for the kind words, I will do a review of the Taylor on its own in a few weeks as now I've had enough time to properly acclimatise ti it. I play it every day and its a joy every time.
Got the Custom Z B. Shew couple of years ago, love it. Use in my busy jazz combo, rich warm tone and best valves I have ever owned. Also using the Shew mouthpiece.
Nice comparison. I played a yamaha ytr739 in high school. I regret selling it. It had the inverse lead pipe and a fantastic sound. The Yamaha 8310z is very similar to the Yamaha I had. I much prefer the Yamaha to the Taylor. But, you might want to look at the Herche professional M1 trumpet. It as a beautiful sound for a more orchestral mellow sound and it's under $400. I really like that horn. Also the Yamaha Mariachi 5330 is amazing for Latin/Jazz players. It can be purchased for around $ 1800. If you get chance to demo either of those, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I wish I had unlimited $$$, I'd have a few horns. Currently, I'm just coming back to playing at age 59. I have a cheap Cecelio student horn with a Bach 3c mouthpiece. I can honestly say, the change from the 7c mouthpiece it came with to the Bach 3c was a big improvement in my playing sound and stamina.
As a student at some point I struggled and even teacher was a bit frustrated. Then I got a trumpet on loan, not even expensive, and really made a leap! And good proceedings from there. Today I know that the old trumpet just wasn’t good, I still have it and don’t like playing it.
This was so interesting. The Taylor sounds better by far. You have a nice sound. When I used to play years ago I had a mt Vernon Bach and also a LA benge. Both were great horns and I used a Bach 3 mouthpiece. My grandfather played a conn 22 and a Martin he played with Tommy Dorsey and Benny Goodman he was Bunny Berigan. I think a horn who pick his important but its everything like the shape of your mouth and your teeth too. But anyone can play good if the practice correctly. I tried a Taylor back in the 90s and I loved it. Thanks great video
Bunny Berigan’s grandson. Wow, I love his playing. Thank you for your kind words, I’m now a while into playing the Taylor, and I’m guessing it’ll be my last horn. I love it.
@@musicandme6697 I think you made a good choice in a horn. If I stilled played I would get a Taylor. They sound so good. The one I tried I think was a Taylor Chicago. I meant this guy in a store that sold used brass instruments. I was trying an old New York Bach. And he had his Taylor with him. He told me it was better than a Monnet. Actually liked it a lot. I used to study with Jerry Callet back in 76. He made a horn called jazz Callet and that was a great horn. I tried every trumpet brand I could think of. My favorite was Taylor. Never tried a Monette. I like the sound Terrace Blanchard gets on his. My cousin is a music teacher like you his name is Kaye Berigan actually Bunny was his uncle. Kaye plays the trumpet and teaches in the schools in Wisconsin. You two have a similar career. Thanks again
The Taylor sounds a bit darker to me, but that could just be the metals that it's made from. I think for your style of playing the Taylor is a better horn for you. The Yamaha is brighter and probably would shine more in the upper register if you are playing lead in a big band, but if you are playing more jazz licks/solo stuff, especially in a jazz combo the Taylor will have a much better sound.
I’d suggest a different mouthpiece if you’re looking for a more full sound. The piece you are on is like wearing running shoes to a wedding. Yes they do the trick but if you want dark that’s where the sound starts . . . Not in the horn.
The Yamaha is a stepped bore, while the Taylor is a medium. Not sure how much difference bore makes as a horn is always a balance between player, mouthpiece, throat, gap and many other factors. I just play them till I find one I like.
Great video, (lovely production as well as content). Both trumpets have iconic sounds. I can usually tell when a player beside me in a section is playing on a Z, on lead / commercial setting the Z is hard to beat. The Taylor, will always be more forthrite in the softer, lower ranges and fill a room at lower dynamics, although the Z can still acheive this too. To my ears, you sound more more natural on the Yamaha but then, you've been playing it a lot longer than the Taylor. Letting the sound you hear drive your decision / choice is one part of it, does the Taylor allow you make that sound with less effort? Because the trumpets are so radically different, I'd probably keep both. Loved the video, thanks for sharing and good luck!
Thanks for the kind words, I do love both but Taylor feels like coming home. I wouldn’t say either is easier to play, but with the Taylor, playing, sound and feel all match up for me, I always felt, the Z, though a beautiful horn never quite sounded right - it felt right though, if that makes sense. I guess you’re right, with the Taylor I’m using less effort to match things up. (The effort was never in the playing, but matching the sound in my head with my ears are hearing.)
@@musicandme6697 yeah, so the Taylor is the horn then. You'll get to know all the corners and settle the Taylor before long, especially as that's where you're hearing your sound. Good job sir, it's a lovely horn! (I still think you shpuld keep the Z 😊😉, just because)
The sound difference are like night n day. Its weerd but i play a taylor aswel and i find that you can almost hear that what you are playing is a taylor. A nice and warm sound :)
To me the Taylor horn has a bit more core than the Shew does. Maybe a bit more hollow sounding. The Shew is probably too light and the Taylor has better feedback for endurance. Keep playing and enjoying
As for "no name" mouthpieces, I've got Yamaha, Schilke, Bach, and Blessing mouthpieces and the Blessing ones are right up at the top for quality of workmanship and plating, and they come in the standard Bach sizes, for about half or 1/3 the price so you can't go wrong with them.
Agreed, the no-name mouthpiece I found, was exactly that, it had no name, no idea of rim but it was pretty shallow. Now I use a Taylor that feels exactly like the Yamaha Bobby Shew lead. It does what I need so I have no intention of ever changing it.
I like the way you sound on the Taylor best. That said you sound good on the Yamaha as well but there is a clear difference in the bias of each design. I tend to like a darker sound myself. That said those too trumpets are so far apart from each other in terms of bell profile and leadpipe profile as to be completely different animals. I am sure had you tried other Yamaha's you could have found something liked just as much but that is not the point though.
I have a Taylor Phat Boy, so I guess I am biased towards the Taylor sound. Making a decision on what trumpet to buy is proving harder than the flugel though. Really I should wait until I'm a better player - all the gear and no idea and all that but I'm getting on and don't even buy green bananas. Seems to me the Yamaha is more suited to big band work and the Taylor for jazz solo/small jazz ensemble? I'm tempted to buy the Taylor for love and a cheaper Yamaha for the big band work On a side note has anyone any experience of using MAW valves? Would appreciate some feedback on them on a trumpet.
5:29 & 5:34, 7:27 are your breaths. If you can take in more air, 2-3 times more at the VERY least, your playing will open up, however for what I head in the video. Buy a child’s pinwheel (used for holding in the wind & it spins) & blow at it for 3 minutes a session for your studies. It’ll get your air really moving
Hi, thanks for the video, I was just looking at Piranha, sounds great. What did you customise in your order with Andy, anything you would have ordered differently now you have lived with the instrument for a few months?
I love the piranha, as I played a Taylor Chicago Custom, years ago I had a good idea of what I wanted. I ordered the stone finger buttons, with rose-brass receiver and bell. I also went for the aged finish in clear laquer, and I have my favourite Wynton quote, “Be for real” engraved on the third valve slide. Well worth every penny I spent.
@@musicandme6697 thank you, I’ve just sent the email to start the process, I like the one you have had built so has given me inspiration for what to order.
Hello! I am also a returning trumpet player: I started playing again after more than 20 years of stop. For me it's a matter of taste: I don't like the dark, smooky voice, so I much prefer the Yamaha to the Taylor. Technical issues aside, I can tell you that I have an ultra-light, S-bore and small bell trumpet (Stomvi VR2) and also a Yamaha 8310Z v3. I use the Stomvi when I play with the big band and the Yamaha when I play with my sextet, but I always try to get a clear, crystal tone. Thanks for posting your very interesting video and have good music!
I can absolutely understand your preference for the Yamaha. I do love it. I myself have never played a Stomvi, would love to try some of their horns sometime. I think if I played in a big band the Yamaha would have been my horn of choice.
Thank you for the kind words, I do have 35 years behind me though. It's just time on the horn, I was once told, 'let the sound be your guide'. When I play, I have always imagined I sound fantastic, perhaps like Wynton or Maurice, thinking that perhaps one day the sound in my mind will match the sound of my horn. I know I'll never sound like them though - but I will sound like me, and I like me.
To my ears Yamaha sounds better however how you feel about your trumpet is more important, if you like the Taylor then it's the best for you. Both great instruments.
Taylor sounds darker to me! I guess it is what sound you prefer that really matters! The difference between the two is very minimal. An average listener would probably not hear a difference in my opinion.
Interesting comparison, I have to admit, I struggle to detect much of a difference between your two trumpets but that could be my old ears. The Taylor is slightly richer (more harmonics) but not massively different. I think the mouthpiece and the player have a much greater influence on the sound than the trumpet itself. Great players can make student instruments sound great while I struggle to sound great on anything. I too go through phases where I cannot play the trumpet to any standard. I can't explain what happens, it seems to be when I'm putting more time in on the trumpet that my playing deteriorates. I play in an amateur big band and in a brass quintet but the inconsistency in my playing drives me mad. I also play tenor horn in a brass band and trombone in another band and my playing on those instruments is consistent.
To be honest what you can hear in the room is very different to what the video picks up, your ears are fine. I find the Taylor richer. I play pretty consistently now and haven’t had any further issues. I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s about air and focusing on the sound. I know what my body must feel like, relaxed, I don’t want anything to feel tight. My useable range is around a concert D above the stave. But in all my playing I concentrate on my sound quality and melody. As soon as either suffer even slightly, I put the horn down.
It’s not the reverse leadpipe that makes it happen for you. The Bobby Shew has a so called step bore (from large to small and medium). That gives maximum result with minimum effort. I think the Yamaha sounds better than the Taylor. And I’m sure the Taylor will warn you out much quicker then the Yammi. And if you want a little more dark sound try the mouthpiece Bobby Shew Jazz.
Interesting. Thanks for posting. Tbh to my ears I wouldn't say either was bright. Not in the sense of lead horns like the Chicago Benge's or King Silver Flairs (original versions). The Yamaha sound is warm but, if I have a criticism it has a slightly insubstantial quality and the bell shape also gives it a slight spread, It has a Committee style design but whereas the Committee had a conical bell that gave a very warm sound with a good core and bright edge focus the Z does that with less core and focus and quite possibly that is down to the flatter 5 inch 72 style bell and the super lightweight construction (it's a lightweight chassis even by the standard of other lightweights). I have the 6310Z and it plays almost exactly like your 8310, very little difference. The Taylor on the other hand has a fuller and more substantial tone. It's warm like the Z but the warmth is easier to latch onto because the whole sound has much more substance and weight behind it. It's also more focused which does surprise me a little because I would have expected the bell design which is also large and flat to spread the sound like the Z does. Maybe the flair is slower earlier on, it's hard to see. Even though I own a Z model I do think the Taylor sounds better. Both aim at a similar sonic specrum and the Taylor just executes it better and sounds fuller with a better quality sound and a lot more substance. I probably won't go for the Taylor though as they are quite expensive and heavy on the shoulders (I have shoulder problems). I may look at the Yamaha Commercial which has some of features of the Z but with a heavier coonstruction and a more conical bell. I was thinking of the mk3 Z but probably won't now because in most respects it's similar to what I have. Obviously for you the Taylor is the ideal choice because you are comfortable with it and you sound demonstrably better on it. It's a Rolls Royce up against a Mondeo and I say that even as a big fan of the Z models myself.
Thanks for taking the time to comment - your assessment on the sound of the two horns is very well observed. I really love the 8310z and I picked out of a number of Bach models as well as the heavier Xeno Yamaha. But as I owned a Tayler Chicago around 15 years ago, I was bound to find my way back sooner or later. You are also correct though, even though the Piranha is on the lighter side for a Taylor, it is quite a bit heavier than the Yamaha albeit very well balanced with the Taylor mouthpiece.
I'd say the Taylor as a slightly more alluring tone, however I think that you would need to be extremely conscious of articulation with it. The Yamaha presents the technical aspects of your playing much more clearly.
Mate , I struggle like hell on the trumpet. I played fanatically for 25 years ad it just will not play. I have turned to sax and bass and realise trumpet is just no fun whats so ever. Its completely unforgiving ad treacherous. Spent a fortune on lessons and gear. I think its important if you try to learn trumpet : you learn another instrument (not brass related). Chances are you wont be able to play it to an acceptable level or have a nice sound. Further other musicians will not want to join in with you. Unlike other instruments ; trumpet makes, and mouthpeices do almost nothing. The trumpet is you and you alone. If you have an unforgiving anatomy then its like buying a faulty instrument. Faulty instruments can be fixed, your anatomy cannot. If you realise you cant play at least you have the other instrument to fall back on. Having tried playing other instrument groups I massively and I mean massively regret ever coming across one .
While I would never assume I understand your position, I can however attest to what brought me back to the trumpet. Although I do not by any means consider myself a great trumpet player or even musician, I do play almost every day in my career as a school music teacher, and I understand this to be a very privileged position as I get to guide young children on the first steps of their musical journey.
In my search for answers, I came across a Dr. Karl Sievers from the university of Oklahoma, It was through him that I came across the concept of flow studies and a book by the great Arnold Jacobs called 'Song and Wind'. It was through the advice I received from Dr Sievers and the book that I came to understand these two simple concepts,
1- Be relaxed: Any tension in the body and the quality of the sound will suffer. When I play a note I imagine I am sighing. The breath in is silent and free, and the breath out to produce the sound is relaxed and open as if I am sighing at the end of a hard day.
2- Imagine the sound: Every single note that comes out of my trumpet is imagined in my mind before I play it - I am singing everything I play in my mind, while I am playing it. More often than not when I mess up a note, it is because I sang it wrong in my head.
Perhaps I would have found a way back to the trumpet on my own, but as things stand, I can honestly say that I owe my return to Dr. Sievers, who gave me advice over the internet and expected nothing in return.
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Thank you. I am also a comeback trumpet player. I'm 61 and I was off for 23 years. I played a 6310z for years before I quit playing. I recently got another 6310z recently and I'm back on the hunt!! I love my 6310z and I'm sure the 8310z is every bit as enjoyable and sweet as my older model Yamaha Bobby Shew horn. You sound great on your Z. I would say though, I prefer your sound on the Taylor, as well. Very nice. Thank you, Keep it up.
You have a nice tone. I like the sound on the taylor myself when you played. You have a jazz type of tone warm and dark. My grandfather played on both a conn 22 and a Martin. On the Martin he sounded darker to me. My grandfather was bunny berigan. He played on three diffrent trumpets from what i read. I like a darker sound. You got that really nice. I use to play the trumpet 20 years ago for fun. I had a Mt Vernon bach trumpet that was on the dark side and my friend had a Taylor trumpet. I found his Taylor was even better when i played it then my Mt Vernon. I also had trouble playing above the staff when i played. I got a book called sail the seven seas i forget the persons name who wrote it. I pratice it everyday for two years along with other stuff like colins and arbans. I was able to play above high c and had good staying power. I found playing very softly in the upper staff help me a lot. Good job on the vidio.
I prefer the 8310Z because it captures the bright and happy Armstrong character, how it intonates, how it will stay under a singer without loss of clarity, and it sounds like it works for you rather than you are working for it. That is not to say the Taylor is bad: It is different. It’s quite possible the Taylor blends better and is more appropriate in larger and perhaps more formal ensembles. And that’s what’s in your ear.
You can change the sound massively by changing your mouthpiece. My standard is a Bach/Blessing 3C. I tried a 3D and it was a huge change in sound. I didn't like it, ultimately. The Shew Jazz is about halfway between the two. People play on all kinds of mouthpieces, some like big tubby 1.25's, some like 7C's, Louis Armstrong was said to play "whatever came in the box" with the new trumpets the trumpet companies kept sending him. I heard Chet Baker played a 6A so I tried to get a 6A, was able to find a 7A and wow, what a different sound. Tine Thing Helseth, the wonderful classical player, is said to play a very deep, small MP almost like a French horn MP and sounds wonderful on it.
Both great trumpets. Most important though is you. Great job!
A very inspirational story, it’s great that you are playing trumpet again
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Really enjoyed your demo and personal story. This is one of the best trumpet reviews I've seen on TH-cam. The Taylor is obviously darker with more core as opposed to the Yamaha. I would keep the Yamaha you might find that it's better for certain kinds of music as opposed to the Taylor. Thanks for posting, really enjoyed this!
Thanks for the kind words, I will do a review of the Taylor on its own in a few weeks as now I've had enough time to properly acclimatise ti it. I play it every day and its a joy every time.
I like both a lot …thx ..I play a Carol Brass 5000 model I like the sound of very much…keep playing you sound excellent.
Got the Custom Z B. Shew couple of years ago, love it. Use in my busy jazz combo, rich warm tone and best valves I have ever
owned. Also using the Shew mouthpiece.
for me the Shew Jazz Mouthpiece is better than the lead
but - I n e v e r will miss my 8310Z - especially the Z03 modification one
Nice comparison. I played a yamaha ytr739 in high school. I regret selling it. It had the inverse lead pipe and a fantastic sound. The Yamaha 8310z is very similar to the Yamaha I had. I much prefer the Yamaha to the Taylor. But, you might want to look at the Herche professional M1 trumpet. It as a beautiful sound for a more orchestral mellow sound and it's under $400. I really like that horn. Also the Yamaha Mariachi 5330 is amazing for Latin/Jazz players. It can be purchased for around $ 1800. If you get chance to demo either of those, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I wish I had unlimited $$$, I'd have a few horns. Currently, I'm just coming back to playing at age 59. I have a cheap Cecelio student horn with a Bach 3c mouthpiece. I can honestly say, the change from the 7c mouthpiece it came with to the Bach 3c was a big improvement in my playing sound and stamina.
It's so nice you could afford your own trumpet! I've been playing more than ten yrs. but still I don't have my own trumpet!
As a student at some point I struggled and even teacher was a bit frustrated. Then I got a trumpet on loan, not even expensive, and really made a leap! And good proceedings from there. Today I know that the old trumpet just wasn’t good, I still have it and don’t like playing it.
Lovely warm tones/Enjoyed ...the one suited to you! "God Richly Bless you and the work you do"
Thank you for the kind words. I do love the Taylor.
A mpoving, bave, ppersonal video.
This was so interesting. The Taylor sounds better by far. You have a nice sound. When I used to play years ago I had a mt Vernon Bach and also a LA benge. Both were great horns and I used a Bach 3 mouthpiece. My grandfather played a conn 22 and a Martin he played with Tommy Dorsey and Benny Goodman he was Bunny Berigan. I think a horn who pick his important but its everything like the shape of your mouth and your teeth too. But anyone can play good if the practice correctly. I tried a Taylor back in the 90s and I loved it. Thanks great video
Bunny Berigan’s grandson. Wow, I love his playing. Thank you for your kind words, I’m now a while into playing the Taylor, and I’m guessing it’ll be my last horn. I love it.
@@musicandme6697 I think you made a good choice in a horn. If I stilled played I would get a Taylor. They sound so good. The one I tried I think was a Taylor Chicago. I meant this guy in a store that sold used brass instruments. I was trying an old New York Bach. And he had his Taylor with him. He told me it was better than a Monnet. Actually liked it a lot. I used to study with Jerry Callet back in 76. He made a horn called jazz Callet and that was a great horn. I tried every trumpet brand I could think of. My favorite was Taylor. Never tried a Monette. I like the sound Terrace Blanchard gets on his. My cousin is a music teacher like you his name is Kaye Berigan actually Bunny was his uncle. Kaye plays the trumpet and teaches in the schools in Wisconsin. You two have a similar career. Thanks again
Which ever one you express your heart with more.
The Taylor sounds a bit darker to me, but that could just be the metals that it's made from. I think for your style of playing the Taylor is a better horn for you. The Yamaha is brighter and probably would shine more in the upper register if you are playing lead in a big band, but if you are playing more jazz licks/solo stuff, especially in a jazz combo the Taylor will have a much better sound.
I’d suggest a different mouthpiece if you’re looking for a more full sound. The piece you are on is like wearing running shoes to a wedding. Yes they do the trick but if you want dark that’s where the sound starts . . . Not in the horn.
Are the bore sizes different. I do like both but the Taylor is darker
The Yamaha is a stepped bore, while the Taylor is a medium. Not sure how much difference bore makes as a horn is always a balance between player, mouthpiece, throat, gap and many other factors. I just play them till I find one I like.
Great video, (lovely production as well as content). Both trumpets have iconic sounds. I can usually tell when a player beside me in a section is playing on a Z, on lead / commercial setting the Z is hard to beat. The Taylor, will always be more forthrite in the softer, lower ranges and fill a room at lower dynamics, although the Z can still acheive this too. To my ears, you sound more more natural on the Yamaha but then, you've been playing it a lot longer than the Taylor. Letting the sound you hear drive your decision / choice is one part of it, does the Taylor allow you make that sound with less effort?
Because the trumpets are so radically different, I'd probably keep both. Loved the video, thanks for sharing and good luck!
Thanks for the kind words, I do love both but Taylor feels like coming home. I wouldn’t say either is easier to play, but with the Taylor, playing, sound and feel all match up for me, I always felt, the Z, though a beautiful horn never quite sounded right - it felt right though, if that makes sense. I guess you’re right, with the Taylor I’m using less effort to match things up. (The effort was never in the playing, but matching the sound in my head with my ears are hearing.)
@@musicandme6697 yeah, so the Taylor is the horn then. You'll get to know all the corners and settle the Taylor before long, especially as that's where you're hearing your sound. Good job sir, it's a lovely horn! (I still think you shpuld keep the Z 😊😉, just because)
The sound difference are like night n day. Its weerd but i play a taylor aswel and i find that you can almost hear that what you are playing is a taylor. A nice and warm sound :)
Very true - a long time ago, 20 years or so, I played a Chicago Custom, so I am really just returning home to Taylor.
To me the Taylor horn has a bit more core than the Shew does. Maybe a bit more hollow sounding. The Shew is probably too light and the Taylor has better feedback for endurance. Keep playing and enjoying
As for "no name" mouthpieces, I've got Yamaha, Schilke, Bach, and Blessing mouthpieces and the Blessing ones are right up at the top for quality of workmanship and plating, and they come in the standard Bach sizes, for about half or 1/3 the price so you can't go wrong with them.
Agreed, the no-name mouthpiece I found, was exactly that, it had no name, no idea of rim but it was pretty shallow. Now I use a Taylor that feels exactly like the Yamaha Bobby Shew lead. It does what I need so I have no intention of ever changing it.
I like the way you sound on the Taylor best. That said you sound good on the Yamaha as well but there is a clear difference in the bias of each design. I tend to like a darker sound myself. That said those too trumpets are so far apart from each other in terms of bell profile and leadpipe profile as to be completely different animals. I am sure had you tried other Yamaha's you could have found something liked just as much but that is not the point though.
I have a Taylor Phat Boy, so I guess I am biased towards the Taylor sound. Making a decision on what trumpet to buy is proving harder than the flugel though. Really I should wait until I'm a better player - all the gear and no idea and all that but I'm getting on and don't even buy green bananas. Seems to me the Yamaha is more suited to big band work and the Taylor for jazz solo/small jazz ensemble? I'm tempted to buy the Taylor for love and a cheaper Yamaha for the big band work On a side note has anyone any experience of using MAW valves? Would appreciate some feedback on them on a trumpet.
Tha is for the video! 90% of any issues is related to air&breath! I’m happy to share any info I have on this subject!
5:29 & 5:34, 7:27 are your breaths. If you can take in more air, 2-3 times more at the VERY least, your playing will open up, however for what I head in the video. Buy a child’s pinwheel (used for holding in the wind & it spins) & blow at it for 3 minutes a session for your studies.
It’ll get your air really moving
Hi, thanks for the video, I was just looking at Piranha, sounds great. What did you customise in your order with Andy, anything you would have ordered differently now you have lived with the instrument for a few months?
I love the piranha, as I played a Taylor Chicago Custom, years ago I had a good idea of what I wanted. I ordered the stone finger buttons, with rose-brass receiver and bell. I also went for the aged finish in clear laquer, and I have my favourite Wynton quote, “Be for real” engraved on the third valve slide. Well worth every penny I spent.
@@musicandme6697 thank you, I’ve just sent the email to start the process, I like the one you have had built so has given me inspiration for what to order.
@@antonamos398 You won't be disappointed.
Are they the same bore size
No. The Yamaha is a stepped bore and the Taylor is a medium large bore.
Hello!
I am also a returning trumpet player: I started playing again after more than 20 years of stop.
For me it's a matter of taste: I don't like the dark, smooky voice, so I much prefer the Yamaha to the Taylor.
Technical issues aside, I can tell you that I have an ultra-light, S-bore and small bell trumpet (Stomvi VR2) and also a Yamaha 8310Z v3. I use the Stomvi when I play with the big band and the Yamaha when I play with my sextet, but I always try to get a clear, crystal tone.
Thanks for posting your very interesting video and have good music!
I can absolutely understand your preference for the Yamaha. I do love it. I myself have never played a Stomvi, would love to try some of their horns sometime. I think if I played in a big band the Yamaha would have been my horn of choice.
@@musicandme6697 :)
You sound magnificent! I've been playing for 2 years and still sound like ....😞!
Thank you for the kind words, I do have 35 years behind me though. It's just time on the horn, I was once told, 'let the sound be your guide'. When I play, I have always imagined I sound fantastic, perhaps like Wynton or Maurice, thinking that perhaps one day the sound in my mind will match the sound of my horn. I know I'll never sound like them though - but I will sound like me, and I like me.
@@musicandme6697 Oh yes, you're gig ready!
To my ears Yamaha sounds better however how you feel about your trumpet is more important, if you like the Taylor then it's the best for you. Both great instruments.
Taylor sounds darker to me! I guess it is what sound you prefer that really matters! The difference between the two is very minimal. An average listener would probably not hear a difference in my opinion.
Try a Selmer TT.
Had the 8310z. Good but not a Selmer
Hopefully I’ll get a chance. I love playing other trumpets, what is the TT like?
I can't really say that I can tell the difference in sound. If I didn't see which one you were playing I truly couldn't tell.
P.S. Come back player myself and I design and build custom trumpets!
My student Yamaha horn weighs 2 lbs 6.6 oz. The Shew is supposed to weigh 2 lbs 1 oz so it'll be noticeably lighter.
Interesting comparison, I have to admit, I struggle to detect much of a difference between your two trumpets but that could be my old ears. The Taylor is slightly richer (more harmonics) but not massively different. I think the mouthpiece and the player have a much greater influence on the sound than the trumpet itself. Great players can make student instruments sound great while I struggle to sound great on anything.
I too go through phases where I cannot play the trumpet to any standard. I can't explain what happens, it seems to be when I'm putting more time in on the trumpet that my playing deteriorates. I play in an amateur big band and in a brass quintet but the inconsistency in my playing drives me mad. I also play tenor horn in a brass band and trombone in another band and my playing on those instruments is consistent.
To be honest what you can hear in the room is very different to what the video picks up, your ears are fine. I find the Taylor richer. I play pretty consistently now and haven’t had any further issues. I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s about air and focusing on the sound. I know what my body must feel like, relaxed, I don’t want anything to feel tight. My useable range is around a concert D above the stave. But in all my playing I concentrate on my sound quality and melody. As soon as either suffer even slightly, I put the horn down.
That one note, though, 1/2 step too high, making it major instead of minor, ouch.
As a teacher of mine once said, “you’re never a more than a half step away from being correct.” 😂
It’s not the reverse leadpipe that makes it happen for you. The Bobby Shew has a so called step bore (from large to small and medium). That gives maximum result with minimum effort. I think the Yamaha sounds better than the Taylor. And I’m sure the Taylor will warn you out much quicker then the Yammi. And if you want a little more dark sound try the mouthpiece Bobby Shew Jazz.
“When your mind leaves the sound of the Trumpet obstacles will appear”
… Bill Adam
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Interesting. Thanks for posting. Tbh to my ears I wouldn't say either was bright. Not in the sense of lead horns like the Chicago Benge's or King Silver Flairs (original versions). The Yamaha sound is warm but, if I have a criticism it has a slightly insubstantial quality and the bell shape also gives it a slight spread, It has a Committee style design but whereas the Committee had a conical bell that gave a very warm sound with a good core and bright edge focus the Z does that with less core and focus and quite possibly that is down to the flatter 5 inch 72 style bell and the super lightweight construction (it's a lightweight chassis even by the standard of other lightweights). I have the 6310Z and it plays almost exactly like your 8310, very little difference. The Taylor on the other hand has a fuller and more substantial tone. It's warm like the Z but the warmth is easier to latch onto because the whole sound has much more substance and weight behind it. It's also more focused which does surprise me a little because I would have expected the bell design which is also large and flat to spread the sound like the Z does. Maybe the flair is slower earlier on, it's hard to see. Even though I own a Z model I do think the Taylor sounds better. Both aim at a similar sonic specrum and the Taylor just executes it better and sounds fuller with a better quality sound and a lot more substance. I probably won't go for the Taylor though as they are quite expensive and heavy on the shoulders (I have shoulder problems). I may look at the Yamaha Commercial which has some of features of the Z but with a heavier coonstruction and a more conical bell. I was thinking of the mk3 Z but probably won't now because in most respects it's similar to what I have. Obviously for you the Taylor is the ideal choice because you are comfortable with it and you sound demonstrably better on it. It's a Rolls Royce up against a Mondeo and I say that even as a big fan of the Z models myself.
Thanks for taking the time to comment - your assessment on the sound of the two horns is very well observed. I really love the 8310z and I picked out of a number of Bach models as well as the heavier Xeno Yamaha. But as I owned a Tayler Chicago around 15 years ago, I was bound to find my way back sooner or later. You are also correct though, even though the Piranha is on the lighter side for a Taylor, it is quite a bit heavier than the Yamaha albeit very well balanced with the Taylor mouthpiece.
I'd say the Taylor as a slightly more alluring tone, however I think that you would need to be extremely conscious of articulation with it. The Yamaha presents the technical aspects of your playing much more clearly.
Yamaha has a bright sound, but I like Taylor more.There's more meat in his sound.
But Adams A2 is so versatile.
Yamaha sounds like a yamaha , same as my YTR4335 G1
Thane trumpets are also great.
I’ll buy the Yamaha from you
Two totally different sound concepts. The Shew is more of a big band horn. The Taylor is far better for smoky, Chet Baker stuff.
I think that is the dilemma, just have to bite the bullet and buy both.🤩
I love yamaha
One sounds like a trumpet the other doesn’t. Two different animals.
I THINK THE PIRANJA SOUNDS BEST.
That Taylor sounds terriff!
Yamaha is much sweeter