I thought that the Gen 1 had better tone. Just my opinion. I recently bought a Yamaha 6310Z 2nd hand and love the responsive valves. Compared to my earlier student grade instrument it is a huge improvement.
I think you sounded better on generation I believe it or not. Sounded more focused and to me, better tone. Also, I agree with you about the valves. I took a several hundred dollar loss to sell mine after a year of having a Gen II. It wasn’t for me after all.
Awesome video and playing! I have been playing 8Gen1 for about 8 years and been comparing 8Gen1 (lacquer) to a new 8Gen2 (silver). A quick summary after playing them for weeks with both a 3C and 14B style. (IMHO of course).... 8Gen1: 'smoother' or 'warmer' tone. 'Responsive' blow, more resistance, more stamina. Loose slots, very loose! Feels lighter in my hand. Much nicer for small group jazz playing and ballads. 8Gen2: 'Brighter', more 'legit' tone with better core (more 'Bach' like). Better slotting, especially in the upper register. Requires more stamina for some reason. Feels heavier in hand but maybe this is the 2 piece valves and that the block is closer to your face. They feel the same when dangling them by the bell crook side by side. You can definitely hear the things I have mentioned in the above video. Both horns are very easy to change styles using a mouthpiece and 'concept' change. I am surprised by the less responsiveness in the 8Gen2 which has caused some stamina issues in Big Band rehearsals however the trade off is worth it. I am sure this will be overcome this when I stop swapping between them. I really think that Yamaha have done it again with one of the most playable and versatile horns in history, they have improved slotting and tone core, perhaps sacrificing some responsiveness, but this is what this horn needed. Thanks Trent, for putting up so many videos comparing horns, it has helped my horn 'safari' immensely!
By far one of the best trumpets I ever played was a generation 1 8310z. Even though I don't necessarily play instruments anymore due to my desired hobbies, I really wish I could have an 8310z in my collection, just because it seems like a horn I would like to see in my case everyday
I actually liked the sound of the Gen 1 better. It sounded slightly more “clear” to me. If you were playing in a small group setting and wanted to play a lot of ballads, the Gen 2 had a very pleasing, intimate sound, but the Gen 1 struck me as more versatile in a number of different playing situations. Don’t get me wrong, though, I’m talking about a matter of degrees. They’re both great sounding horns, or rather, Trent plays great on both of them.
There's already some comments that are saying this, but you definitely seem to sound a little crisper cleaner and brighter on the Gen 1 compared to the Gen 2.
Thank You, Trent for this exceptional made comparison test. Again: The 2 has more broader sound , more overtones. More dimensional. Looks are better too.
Hey Trent, thanks for keeping it going. I recently tried the Gen 2 and in my mind it blows the Gen 1 out the park, I think your demo proves that too. Cheers man, stay safe. Cameron.
The 2 sounded softer and richer. It has a very soft, lovely sound. I just tried one of these today, and it was quite nice, but I could feel the resistance.
Sound good Trent. I have frequented your site, (have those speed springs in my original Z's) cool to hear you play. It is always so hard to tell clearly for me ( especially as I'm sure I cant' trust that other bigger chunk of my brain at all) when I random change/compare. And, especially if I'm actually used to a model,, even worse if it be my own broke- in/down horn. You accounted for that part really well. :) Myself, with the Gen II, I could generally hear from you a more slotted focus with good pitch aligning with the note's fatter tone slots. Especially on the orchestral straight ahead stuff. Yet, with the jazz also heard that same core in the sound, while also retaining that Martin Committee-ish type personal flexible fluency/dialect in the tone timbre inflections. It just generally sounded easier to play good, if that makes any sense. I'm certainly for all of that I can get! My Humble take: In my limited experiences with Mr Shew, I can very comfortably say that if there was not a worthy improvement, with some specific, very thought out credible research and reasoning backing the effort up, it would simply not have come out unless or until it did. Yet, that being said every body is different, if the original Z works great and the hole goes all the way through... If you like the original version's sound, and feel better playing that version, there you go, awesome! Simple, that's your best answer too. That's the correct amplifier for you. Still a few pesky music challenges ahead for us all, as I understand. Thanks for all the cool trumpet stuff you do Trent!
Wow, Trent thanks for doing this comparison. I definitely like the Shew 2 sound better, sounds a little fuller and with my experience the 2 has a much more open blow, which is why I purchased one, also looking into a set of those cool finger buttons. Thanks again for doing this.
I think the 2 had more something in it's sound than the 1. It seemed maybe more overtones. It was fuller and rounder in a way than the 1 overall. I preferred the 2.
Generation 2 and 3 really I suppose - 6310Z was gen 1. Couldn't hear much difference over the speakers. Both Z trumpets sound fairly similar to me (as also does the 6310Z). That's not to say they play the same. No idea whether that's the case.
it's operator error on my end. I am going to play the Gen 1 the rest of today and see what I think... I have always had a love-hate relationship with it.
Gen 1 has a more mellow tone vs. the gen 2. In the upper register, Generation 2 is clearly superior, but in the very low range, it sounded like my $150 student horn. It's kind of blatty and spread. If you're more of a lead player who stays in upper register. Gen 2 is great, but for a more trumpet 2 or 3 player, I think 12:0912:09 Gen 1 is the better choice. Just MHO
I wonder if the bell wire is soldered in both of them? Or is it like the Schilke B vs S series trumpet where the B is not soldered but the S is? I bought a gen 1 and played it for a year for everything. Really easy to play, but was a challenge in the orchestra to get the right sound. Ended up using a very deep flugel style cup for the romantic repertoire and you know it really was workable. It’s not an expensive trumpet either. I still have it, but I switched back,to Rotary for the orchestra and S22 for everything else!
It seems to me that you could lock in on the notes better on Number 1. To me that is the most important thing on a horn. A horn could sound great but if you are cracking notes 10% of the time, it's no fun to listen to. After the second exerpt you played, I spent most of the time counting how many cracked notes you made on the 2 compared to the 1. If I get a new horn I want one that sounds good and is easier to play.
@@austincustom Wow! That is amazing. I have been blowing at 1 since December of 2006. I love it! I will have my local shop bring in a 2, so that I can try it! If I like it better in a head to head test I will buy it!
Well I own Gen 2 so that should give you all the info you need! It actually is for sale since I have far too many horns trying to pare down a bit of my collection and find some amazing horns new homes! Email us at info@austincustombrass.com if interested.
I thought that the Gen 1 had better tone. Just my opinion. I recently bought a Yamaha 6310Z 2nd hand and love the responsive valves. Compared to my earlier student grade instrument it is a huge improvement.
To these old ears, the #1 seemed brighter for most of the excerpts.
I think you sounded better on generation I believe it or not. Sounded more focused and to me, better tone. Also, I agree with you about the valves. I took a several hundred dollar loss to sell mine after a year of having a Gen II. It wasn’t for me after all.
Gen 1 has a ton more color from this demonstration. Both sound lovely but there’s a special color and character you are getting with that Gen 1
Awesome video and playing!
I have been playing 8Gen1 for about 8 years and been comparing 8Gen1 (lacquer) to a new 8Gen2 (silver).
A quick summary after playing them for weeks with both a 3C and 14B style. (IMHO of course)....
8Gen1: 'smoother' or 'warmer' tone. 'Responsive' blow, more resistance, more stamina. Loose slots, very loose! Feels lighter in my hand. Much nicer for small group jazz playing and ballads.
8Gen2: 'Brighter', more 'legit' tone with better core (more 'Bach' like). Better slotting, especially in the upper register. Requires more stamina for some reason. Feels heavier in hand but maybe this is the 2 piece valves and that the block is closer to your face. They feel the same when dangling them by the bell crook side by side.
You can definitely hear the things I have mentioned in the above video. Both horns are very easy to change styles using a mouthpiece and 'concept' change. I am surprised by the less responsiveness in the 8Gen2 which has caused some stamina issues in Big Band rehearsals however the trade off is worth it. I am sure this will be overcome this when I stop swapping between them.
I really think that Yamaha have done it again with one of the most playable and versatile horns in history, they have improved slotting and tone core, perhaps sacrificing some responsiveness, but this is what this horn needed.
Thanks Trent, for putting up so many videos comparing horns, it has helped my horn 'safari' immensely!
I prefer the tone on the Gen 1 too. Currently, I play a 6320. My preference is a bright sounding gold horn like the way Billy Butterfield sounded.
By far one of the best trumpets I ever played was a generation 1 8310z. Even though I don't necessarily play instruments anymore due to my desired hobbies, I really wish I could have an 8310z in my collection, just because it seems like a horn I would like to see in my case everyday
I actually liked the sound of the Gen 1 better. It sounded slightly more “clear” to me. If you were playing in a small group setting and wanted to play a lot of ballads, the Gen 2 had a very pleasing, intimate sound, but the Gen 1 struck me as more versatile in a number of different playing situations. Don’t get me wrong, though, I’m talking about a matter of degrees. They’re both great sounding horns, or rather, Trent plays great on both of them.
There's already some comments that are saying this, but you definitely seem to sound a little crisper cleaner and brighter on the Gen 1 compared to the Gen 2.
Oh no.... I thought I was done after upgrading my 6301Z to the first gen 8310Z almost 10 years ago. The new one sounds great!
The one sounds rounder, more suitable for classics where blending is important.
The Gen 2 sounds warmer
Thank You, Trent for this exceptional made comparison test. Again: The 2 has more broader sound , more overtones. More dimensional. Looks are better too.
Glad you liked it!
Hey Trent, thanks for keeping it going. I recently tried the Gen 2 and in my mind it blows the Gen 1 out the park, I think your demo proves that too. Cheers man, stay safe. Cameron.
The gen 2 is a definite improvement. Obvious even over my tiny iPhone speaker.
You sound great on both, Trent, but I like the sound of Gen II on the orchestral stuff. More overtones.
The 2 sounded softer and richer. It has a very soft, lovely sound. I just tried one of these today, and it was quite nice, but I could feel the resistance.
Thanks for sharing!
Resistance can be your best friend
Gen I sounded less focused on the long held notes. Gen II was definitely smoother and more controlled.
I've read that the first few batches of the Gen II horn had noisy valves but they fixed them on subsequent horns.
Sound good Trent. I have frequented your site, (have those speed springs in my original Z's) cool to hear you play. It is always so hard to tell clearly for me ( especially as I'm sure I cant' trust that other bigger chunk of my brain at all) when I random change/compare. And, especially if I'm actually used to a model,, even worse if it be my own broke- in/down horn.
You accounted for that part really well. :) Myself, with the Gen II, I could generally hear from you a more slotted focus with good pitch aligning with the note's fatter tone slots. Especially on the orchestral straight ahead stuff. Yet, with the jazz also heard that same core in the sound, while also retaining that Martin Committee-ish type personal flexible fluency/dialect in the tone timbre inflections. It just generally sounded easier to play good, if that makes any sense. I'm certainly for all of that I can get!
My Humble take: In my limited experiences with Mr Shew, I can very comfortably say that if there was not a worthy improvement, with some specific, very thought out credible research and reasoning backing the effort up, it would simply not have come out unless or until it did.
Yet, that being said every body is different, if the original Z works great and the hole goes all the way through... If you like the original version's sound, and feel better playing that version, there you go, awesome! Simple, that's your best answer too. That's the correct amplifier for you.
Still a few pesky music challenges ahead for us all, as I understand.
Thanks for all the cool trumpet stuff you do Trent!
Sounds like the Gen I is a little better suited to commercial/lead playing.
Love my Gen 1. Can't wait to hear your inputs.
Gen II has a better core. A little more sound than the Gen I.
The gen 2 is a bad-ass sound horn, light years nicer than gen 1 as far as sound integrity.
It's really a wonderful horn! This one is for sale from Trent's collection!
Wow, Trent thanks for doing this comparison. I definitely like the Shew 2 sound better, sounds a little fuller and with my experience the 2 has a much more open blow, which is why I purchased one, also looking into a set of those cool finger buttons. Thanks again for doing this.
I think the 2 had more something in it's sound than the 1. It seemed maybe more overtones. It was fuller and rounder in a way than the 1 overall. I preferred the 2.
The Gen 2 sounds warmer for me too
I liked the sound of the generation 2 a little better!!
Hope all is well!
Joe Triscari
Gen 1 has more of an intimate club sound. Gen 2 is more vibrant and open, but not dramatically. Is the gap the same?
The segment at 10:30 - I thought you sounded better and more solid on the gen 1. Who knows, maybe the second take would be different.
No.2 is the better sounding one.
Can you tell me more about where the buttons are from and where they can be purchased?
¡Gracias!
Thank you!
Gen 1 sounded a bit brighter to me Trent.
Hi Trent!
Se que el sonido es muy importante, pero en éste caso, me inclino por la facilidad para tocar.... Como responde a mis necesidades.
Thanks for the comparison! Wondering if you had previously posted a comparison of the 6310Z (which I happen to own) vs the 8310Z?
Don't have a 6310 in stock
Generation 2 and 3 really I suppose - 6310Z was gen 1. Couldn't hear much difference over the speakers. Both Z trumpets sound fairly similar to me (as also does the 6310Z). That's not to say they play the same. No idea whether that's the case.
Think the horn pitch and your groove is better on the Gen 2.
Well darn it...
Now the 1.
it's operator error on my end. I am going to play the Gen 1 the rest of today and see what I think... I have always had a love-hate relationship with it.
I have an old yamaja trumpet and I will like to redtore it.Can you do it for me?
Gen 1 has a more mellow tone vs. the gen 2. In the upper register, Generation 2 is clearly superior, but in the very low range, it sounded like my $150 student horn. It's kind of blatty and spread. If you're more of a lead player who stays in upper register. Gen 2 is great, but for a more trumpet 2 or 3 player, I think 12:09 12:09 Gen 1 is the better choice. Just MHO
I wonder if the bell wire is soldered in both of them? Or is it like the Schilke B vs S series trumpet where the B is not soldered but the S is? I bought a gen 1 and played it for a year for everything. Really easy to play, but was a challenge in the orchestra to get the right sound. Ended up using a very deep flugel style cup for the romantic repertoire and you know it really was workable. It’s not an expensive trumpet either. I still have it, but I switched back,to Rotary for the orchestra and S22 for everything else!
Listen to both. Can't really tell a difference. The Gen. 1 to me, sounded better, a little fuller and fatter. The Gen. 2 was brighter.
It seems to me that you could lock in on the notes better on Number 1. To me that is the most important thing on a horn. A horn could sound great but if you are cracking notes 10% of the time, it's no fun to listen to. After the second exerpt you played, I spent most of the time counting how many cracked notes you made on the 2 compared to the 1. If I get a new horn I want one that sounds good and is easier to play.
Thanks for checking the video out. Have a great day!
Yes, the 2 has a more rich sound. Probably the increased weight over the 1.
actually the 2 is lighter.
@@austincustom Wow! That is amazing. I have been blowing at 1 since December of 2006. I love it! I will have my local shop bring in a 2, so that I can try it! If I like it better in a head to head test I will buy it!
Tone definetely better on the gen I
My gosh huge difference on the 2 .......is the gen 3 even better ?
6310Z gen 1 IMO, 8310Z gen II, new 8310Z v2 gen 3 IMO. Very confusing but there are three generations of the Shew trumpet
The Shew 2 definitely have a better sound projection….
Gen II sounded broader, less compact compared to the Gen I
I really love the feedback from behind the bell on the new one. Thanks for watching!
Hi Trent, which mouthpiece did you use in this video?
Hi, do you know why the generation 2 is called Z3?
The third iteration of the shew horn. 6310z, then 8310z and now the gen 3
I think you sound better on the Gen 1, but it is really hard to tell from a recording. How to the horns FEEL to you? Give us your honest opinion.
Well I own Gen 2 so that should give you all the info you need! It actually is for sale since I have far too many horns trying to pare down a bit of my collection and find some amazing horns new homes! Email us at info@austincustombrass.com if interested.
I’m curious about the Schagerl Apredato piece. How does it compare to your pieces or any others?
Happy to help - please email mpcsales@austincustombrass.com for info!
The II has a more open sounds
What kind of Microphone do you use for trumpet recordings? thanks.
Me interesaría una gen#1
The "2" - for me - sounds more creamy, fatter than the 1
Yamaha is much money for a standard sound in comparrison with a selmer or a adams ...
What # is the arban you are playing?
P. 29 # 22
Is not the trumpet is the mucisian.No matter the trumpet it will sound good no matter what
２がいいね。
Gen.1 sounds better.
I could hardly hear any difference