Guillermo del Toro and Mike Flanagan On What Scares Them Most | Netflix

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  • With Guillermo del Toro’s Cabinet of Curiosities and Mike Flanagan’s The Midnight Club out in October, the two legendary horror filmmakers sat down for a special Netflix & Chills conversation to discuss their origins, influences, and what they love about the genre.
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  • @ajtaylor8750
    @ajtaylor8750 ปีที่แล้ว +846

    *"Hatred and fear are a mirror; love is a window."*
    That's just fucking DEEP man. Basically, hate and fear are reflections of ourselves and the things we hate and fear, whereas love is hope for something better that we've yet to experience. What a way with words, that Guillermo del Toro.

    • @sigmasix3719
      @sigmasix3719 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The key is to embrace the deep and for this fear must be overcome because within the crushing depths is where we bury our sins.

    • @junlo7070
      @junlo7070 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sigmasix3719 damn. is that from something?

    • @coringa40
      @coringa40 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fantastic...

    • @ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777
      @ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When you look at a mirror, its like trying to look through a window... but the view is always getting blocked by YOU. (your reflection)
      Its exactly how fear and hate works.
      Its so very easy to love, but ego can get in the way just as easily and it turns into fear and hate.

    • @onepiecefan74
      @onepiecefan74 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you hate your rapist does that mean you really hate yourself?

  • @spifftastic87
    @spifftastic87 ปีที่แล้ว +832

    Amazing that Flanagan's childhood fear was being alone in the dark; I feel like I have never seen ANYONE film a dark, empty room like he can, it's terrifying

    • @firstlast9846
      @firstlast9846 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Fr.. the best dark empty room scene I’ve seen that encapsulates that feeling is from “The Babadook” probably because it’s a POV shot

    • @yvesgomes
      @yvesgomes ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was intrigued by how they were scared kids and talked about it as if it were a pattern among horror professionals. I'm a big horror fan (but don't work with it) and I was a relatively "brave" kid, in terms of not being very superstitious. I felt comfortable when alone and would stay up late by myself to watch horror movies on TV since I was 5 or 6 years old.

    • @peenzert1994
      @peenzert1994 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Genuinely blows my mind that they seem like the most relaxed, calm, and genuinely nice people ever…and then you watch their movies 😂

    • @M24071
      @M24071 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yup it really terrified me on haunting of hill house he didn't use jump scares or creepy music it was just a quiet dark room with something lurking in the shadows

    • @InTrancedState
      @InTrancedState ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm a massive horror fan and I was insanely afraid of being in the dark. I think those of us who fear the dark the most are fearful of it because of the irrational draw we have to it

  • @catalinareyes336
    @catalinareyes336 ปีที่แล้ว +442

    Flanagan wearing a "una película de Guillermo del Toro" shirt is just great

  • @TheValeyard92
    @TheValeyard92 ปีที่แล้ว +559

    I wish this went on for an hour.

    • @Javiven
      @Javiven ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Mike said the interview is actually two hours long, but this is what they uploaded :(

    • @silbug
      @silbug ปีที่แล้ว +2

      same

    • @juliabateman
      @juliabateman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes!!!

    • @mr.newmanthadreamer8434
      @mr.newmanthadreamer8434 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I could listen to that podcast between these great horror auteurs for dayssssssss

    • @Bryan4Hillary
      @Bryan4Hillary 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Javivenrelease the unedited cut!

  • @OphelieH27
    @OphelieH27 ปีที่แล้ว +602

    not only are they great directors, but they are also great human beings. I could watch them talk for hours. I hope someday they will work together.

    • @roar_gm
      @roar_gm ปีที่แล้ว +7

      doing Frankenstein!! Imagine a really crazy anthology with every contemporary horror director like Derrickson doing one version of the story...

    • @ponfed
      @ponfed ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No kidding.. two of my favorites

    • @arjunbajwa9124
      @arjunbajwa9124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't ask Guillermo Del Toro what petition he signed.

    • @jbearclowater
      @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This video could have been 4 hours long and I would have been enthralled the whole time. Two of the best working directors in the genre, I would love to see what else they discussed.

    • @eravashistha
      @eravashistha 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are great in their Craft.. the best… yes! But what makes you think or say they are great human beings? What’s a great human being?

  • @nicollopez9009
    @nicollopez9009 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    "Horror can be such an effective mirror" and "We are all monsters at the end of the day, can we live with that?", how accurate words and how monumental lessons from these masters of the genre. Also, the way Mr. Flanagan has reimagined the concept of horror and transformed it into something deeper like sorrow and pain... wow.

    • @jbearclowater
      @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Flanagan uses horror in such an incredible way to deal with our deepest fears and as a tool to reconcile ourselves. del Toro has one of the greatest visual styles in the genre. You can tell by how they talk just how good they both are at this, and how they both "get it" so to speak. I would love to see the rest of this conversation.

  • @DragonflyandTheWolf
    @DragonflyandTheWolf ปีที่แล้ว +108

    "horror is healing." I love Guillermo del toro so much. He gets it.

  • @AutumnLovingPallette
    @AutumnLovingPallette 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    ‘Horror is healing’ - this has SO many layers. Horror is like trauma and is uncomfortable and terrifying by nature, but if you work through it properly and find your courage, you come out the other side alive, wiser and able to move forward

  • @ghostli1112
    @ghostli1112 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    8:30 i love that guillermo mentions horror that makes you cry and learn about yourself. that's exactly what mike's Midnight Mass was for me. terrifying, but also cathartic. i love how he describes that kind of horror as "frescos" because it's just so fitting. i'm in love with this interview. i need the full 2 hour cut!

  • @jbearclowater
    @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +29

    When Flanagan talked about how being afraid of the dark or to go alone in the dark as a kid explains so much about his projects. Looking at how he plays with the idea of things lurking in the darkness in his shows and movies is among the best I've seen from any director.

  • @SaturdayMorningToyCollector
    @SaturdayMorningToyCollector ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "Hatred and fear are mirrors, love is windows." Damn that is deep. I love GDT. These guys are the top of their genres.

  • @gracemcloughlin8737
    @gracemcloughlin8737 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I'd give anything to have a full documentary of just them two talking about horror I love this😭

    • @AstraeaAntiope
      @AstraeaAntiope ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A co-taught Masterclass 🤩

    • @gracemcloughlin8737
      @gracemcloughlin8737 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AstraeaAntiope that would be AMAZING. I'd give all the money I have for that to happen 😭

  • @daixxxy
    @daixxxy ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Horror truly is healing. I couldn’t agree more. As a horror fan - there’s something comforting about the genre. What a fantastic interview.

  • @kararemington5525
    @kararemington5525 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Loved this conversation, but as a librarian all the books being backwards on the shelf is my worst fear

    • @smoss9813
      @smoss9813 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you! Wonderful directors, wonderful work and yet I couldn't stop looking at the books!!

    • @augusts1
      @augusts1 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I knew there was something not quite right about them but was too focused on the conversation to figure it out.

    • @Mulbert
      @Mulbert ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I know!! Worse than ordering them by colour (I will die on this hill)

    • @aeonremix
      @aeonremix ปีที่แล้ว +5

      it's very disturbing

    • @Laurantalasah
      @Laurantalasah ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! It's just... it's just not right

  • @angeldelgado7120
    @angeldelgado7120 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Midnight Mass is so beautiful. The greatest insight to Religion and faith i have ever seen.

    • @Mulbert
      @Mulbert ปีที่แล้ว +12

      As a minister's kid watching it was absolutely astounding, I know some people complain about his monologues but I think they're incredible. And the hymn montage at the end...literal chills

  • @benbarada2882
    @benbarada2882 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Cabinet of Curiosities is the itch I couldn’t scratch since Tales from the Crypt. Guillermo del Toro, thank you for bringing us this much needed horror anthology series🙏

  • @spifftastic87
    @spifftastic87 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Two of my favorite horror directors...what a delight!

  • @serpentina05
    @serpentina05 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    Please give me a solid 2 hours of these two, please. I love their work!

  • @brandothecatmeow
    @brandothecatmeow ปีที่แล้ว +72

    GDT's Frankenstein would be the most incredible film ever made. I would weep for joy if that happened.

    • @jbearclowater
      @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I can only imagine how incredible del Toro's version of Dr Frankenstein's lab would be. He has such an amazing visual style

    • @muckymucks
      @muckymucks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's happening! Get excite!

  • @M24071
    @M24071 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    God I want these two to work together so badly Guillermo is great with creature horror while Flanagan nails the emotional horror

  • @alyssatheamazon
    @alyssatheamazon ปีที่แล้ว +73

    please give the full 2 hours. i would watch it all. these two are brilliant.

  • @AudioNovelLovers
    @AudioNovelLovers ปีที่แล้ว +40

    i love mike flanagan so frickin much.... he has redefined the genre of horror...

    • @DA-wg5cz
      @DA-wg5cz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah that Guillermo del toro

    • @jbearclowater
      @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DA-wg5cz I think both are good answers. Two masters at work here.

  • @marinazappettini
    @marinazappettini ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Damn, what a fascinating insight into the minds of two masters of horror this was! I watched Mike Flanagan's whole body of work, and quite a lot of Guillermo del Toro's movies, too... I have always been inexplicably drawn to horror, even as a child! I remember picking the latest Goosebumps novel as a kid and anticipating the moment when I could finally sit down and read it ahaha
    I think a lot of what they both said about horror being healing is spot on. We could even look at the lovers of this genre as people who constantly seek self-therapy! I, for one, know that I'm sort of capable of alienating my stress and anxiety whenever I experience someone else's demons... Momentarily delegating MY demons to the screen/written page. In short, the true purpose of horror IS to make you feel less alone, just not in a scary, hopeless way.

  • @jonwes
    @jonwes ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Can we get the full version? This is great. I want to watch everything.

  • @bshaw4255
    @bshaw4255 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Absolute masters of their craft. I’ll watch anything Flanagan puts out, and I would see Del Toro’s Frankenstein on the biggest screen I could find opening night.

  • @jbearclowater
    @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The idea of Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein sounds like an incredible idea. I'll be there opening night.

  • @TheProphegy
    @TheProphegy ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Del Toro is such a legend for directing, I hope he’s around for another 20-30 years.

  • @thebookgeek87
    @thebookgeek87 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The book geek, horror freak, movie nerd in me is living for this conversation.

  • @synthmasquerade294
    @synthmasquerade294 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Two legends of the craft, amazing filmmakers, storytellers and all around artists. Could listen to a 5 hour version of this with no problem.

  • @s_c_d
    @s_c_d ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is great. Netflix, release the whole conversation, please!

  • @peenzert1994
    @peenzert1994 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Would love to meet Guillermo, he seems so passionate and loves what he does. Mike Flanagan is the most laidback normal dude I’ve ever met, super cool guy, no idea how he comes up with the horror he does

  • @TheElultimovivo
    @TheElultimovivo ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think i cried with this conversation between this two cinema munsters. It’s amazing what this both directors have achieve in movies.

  • @AstraeaAntiope
    @AstraeaAntiope ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just love listening to Guillermo del Toro speak.

  • @RealNigelThornberry
    @RealNigelThornberry ปีที่แล้ว +9

    These two need to do a series together where they talk about horror and literature.

    • @jbearclowater
      @jbearclowater ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you listening Netflix? This idea, right here.

  • @Sid_Kill
    @Sid_Kill ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The cabinet of curiosities is such a great show, I'm loving it so far.

  • @unaware4583
    @unaware4583 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Pinocchio is such a deep and visionary story. I always feel it is under-appreciated and ravished (Disney). Luckily we are going to see a good version of it soon enough. Thank you, Guillermo. Big fan :)

  • @evilscotsman495
    @evilscotsman495 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mike Flanagan's face during this conversation is basically me watching this interview.

  • @nataliemintz6507
    @nataliemintz6507 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A collab with these two would be a dream come true.

  • @rosiespencer8081
    @rosiespencer8081 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Two kings respecting each other and their craft. We love to see it!

  • @gownerjones
    @gownerjones 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mike Flanagan has created the most beautiful art I've ever seen. Hill House is an artistic and emotional experience the likes of which I've never experienced before. I was a broken mess when it ended, I cried and cried and cried. And it probably changed my life in several ways. And I've talked with others who had similar experiences with it. Mike has touched the hearts of so many and we're all just so grateful.

  • @franybunny
    @franybunny ปีที่แล้ว +6

    me encanta cuando Guillermo dice "una vez hablando con Garcia Marquez..."

  • @jenna4619
    @jenna4619 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What a phenomenal interview! You can really tell why they’re the absolute best at their craft

  • @matheuslascasas134
    @matheuslascasas134 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Release the full conversation! This is some fascinating stuff

  • @prettynpetty8342
    @prettynpetty8342 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would absolutely lose my mind if I saw these two legends in real life. Just finished both of their new series this month. C of C was great monster horror/character design. The last episode had me in tears. TMC was classic Flanagan. I loved "Road to Nowhere".

  • @Oracol
    @Oracol ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Netflix: PLEASE make some sort of series with these two masters. It can literally be just them in conversation every episode

  • @juliabateman
    @juliabateman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I could listen to them for hours! 💙
    Netflix needs to make so much more of these ! Iconic directors talking to each other! It's such a treat!!! More!!!

  • @ftuT
    @ftuT ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Flanagan's Dr. Sleep baseball boy death scene left me scarred for life like nothing else in film. Seems like a humble guy too.
    And Del Toro is a poet.

    • @delfin7461
      @delfin7461 ปีที่แล้ว

      That scene is equally heartbreaking and horrifying. The whole film is pretty great

  • @mrtableandmrchair
    @mrtableandmrchair ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is great - release the full uncut conversation please!!

  • @Rai_S82
    @Rai_S82 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Oh my goodness, I'm so excited to see these two together! 😃

  • @soccerjockey
    @soccerjockey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love an extended cut of this interview! Two of my favorite directors working today

  • @dreamofwaking702
    @dreamofwaking702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guillermo del Toro just seems like the coolest dude

  • @seniartkreatif
    @seniartkreatif ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i felt like i just sat down listening to the best philosopy class of my entire life! so glad i am present in this class.

  • @edwardrogers5148
    @edwardrogers5148 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Guillermo del Toro is the best horror director of these days

  • @rubyangel2900
    @rubyangel2900 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This entire conversation has been a treat ❣️

  • @Unholyterror666
    @Unholyterror666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely loved this interview!! Had to watch it again!

  • @4no3bo3dy
    @4no3bo3dy ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love that they close by promoting each other’s respective debuts!

  • @rebeccawolfgirl
    @rebeccawolfgirl ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I could listen to them talk all day, more of this, please!

  • @Raida7
    @Raida7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always love watching these two speak, when their eyes light up with joy about a subject

  • @MastigosAtLarge
    @MastigosAtLarge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was an incredible conversation. It's my dream to have ten minutes to speak with either of them. Mr. del Toro's work was so transformative for me as a teen and young adult, and it is a treat to watch anything he creates at all. And then Mr. Flanagan I discovered later, but his work is just as important to me.

  • @LordPachotron82
    @LordPachotron82 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Two of my favorite filmmakers together. What a gift this is!

  • @countgeekula9143
    @countgeekula9143 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant! My two favourite working creators/storytellers. This needs a much longer version. More please. 😁

  • @cavafrick
    @cavafrick ปีที่แล้ว +4

    NOTHING I love more than listening to true icons talk abt their work/ personal feelings. Btw, would give almost anything to hear an interview like this w Stephen King

  • @ikariiprince
    @ikariiprince ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I love that we’re living in a time with 2 visionary horror directors like them

  • @Zereptina
    @Zereptina ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Big fan of both of these legends. Such a good discussion!

  • @venadacent7696
    @venadacent7696 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video should have been at least an hour for such talented creatives!!!! Really enjoyed The Midnight Club and looking forward to GDT's Cabinet of Curiosities.

  • @MidazMX
    @MidazMX ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mike Flanagan having the widest smile while talking to Guillermo makes me feel kinda proud that he's Mexican like me. And it's funny because I would have that same smile if I was talking to Mike. We need the full two hours, pleeeeeeaaaaaase

  • @thiagomattar2368
    @thiagomattar2368 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two of the most inventive creators of today. ❤

  • @Exxilem19
    @Exxilem19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would’ve gladly listened to an hour long conversation between this two geniuses!

  • @Jetsamification
    @Jetsamification ปีที่แล้ว

    This was nice to see. I enjoyed hearing them talk about these topics.

  • @Moonie_MonRozE
    @Moonie_MonRozE ปีที่แล้ว

    What an amazing duo!!! I’m so glad this collaboration happened!!!! 🖤🖤🖤

  • @zikarisg9025
    @zikarisg9025 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two of my favorite creative people, love pretty much everything they ever put to film. The contrast between them is quite funny though, Mike Flanagan is such a unassuming regular guy, I can picture him in pretty much any shop from middle school teacher to car salesman. Listening to him talk doesn't reveal the depth of creativity and mastery he can put on film (I'm not meaning this in a negative way).

  • @ItsMeDarlaLee
    @ItsMeDarlaLee 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m here a year later and still so sad Midnight Club was cancelled. For anyone who watched the show I recommend reading the book it’s based off of. It was a wonderful story. Not so much horror, but a beautiful story about life and death.

  • @IrishCat04
    @IrishCat04 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i cannot express enough how much i love Guillermo del Toro...his creations make me feel so much♥

  • @mrgorgun81
    @mrgorgun81 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank god these 2 are around to make films and series. Much love.

  • @claudiacarolina6125
    @claudiacarolina6125 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great convo between these two!!

  • @jacobsaul
    @jacobsaul ปีที่แล้ว +1

    two fantastic filmmakers, really loved this discussion

  • @scorba3
    @scorba3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    such lovely people

  • @murdermygymsox
    @murdermygymsox ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My husband and I are loving Cabinet of Curiosities! (Only one episode left we haven’t watched.) We’ll definitely have to watch The Midnight Club next as we love Mike Flanagan and anthology series!
    PLEASE Netflix make a second season of Curiosities (maybe Flanagan can direct an episode? 👀) and make more of these TH-cam videos of directors discussing their works!

  • @amadeusmalonje6948
    @amadeusmalonje6948 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mike Flanagan should direct a short in cabinet of curiosities' next season

  • @ambercontreras1110
    @ambercontreras1110 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Such a cool conversation to sit in on! I could listen to these two talk for hours.

  • @vanessalindeken9307
    @vanessalindeken9307 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating! Two of the greatest minds in horror history. Bravo!!!

  • @PamelaBarcelo
    @PamelaBarcelo ปีที่แล้ว

    RELEASE THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW PLEASE, thanks :)

  • @yoshimasu_k
    @yoshimasu_k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really wish they dug into their past original works (instead of series they're overseeing), but I'm glad we at least got this much of the two masters together!

  • @michaelendara
    @michaelendara ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dos personas increíbles! Mi admiración total para ambos! Abrazos desde Ecuador! Two amazing people! My total admiration for both of you! Hugs from Equator!

  • @afmXx_
    @afmXx_ ปีที่แล้ว

    This conversation was wonderful, it was really interesting to listen to their different point of view ✨

  • @applesauce504
    @applesauce504 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please upload the whole uncut thing

  • @sheren_b
    @sheren_b ปีที่แล้ว

    i could listen to these two talk for an horror theyre so nice and charming and clearly admire and respect each other deeply. i appreciate GDT telling him not to revel the books he gives him, but i want to know!

  • @VinegarAndSaltedFries
    @VinegarAndSaltedFries ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both of these series absolutely rock and I really really hope Cabinet Of Curiosity’s continues thru multiple years.

  • @EdwinNikkels
    @EdwinNikkels ปีที่แล้ว

    More of this, please!

  • @justingreen2432
    @justingreen2432 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best horror filmmakers today tend to be very sweet and kind hearted at their core.
    That endlessly fascinating to me.

  • @StarLightNow
    @StarLightNow ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see the full uncut interview of this.

  • @sanderhaskins2740
    @sanderhaskins2740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love both directors!! Please keep making amazing art ♥️

  • @ohyellowbird
    @ohyellowbird ปีที่แล้ว

    this is so wonderful!!

  • @sam.oates_
    @sam.oates_ ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a lot wrapped up in this video. I'm going to have to watch this a few times to process it. Thank you both!

  • @nicolas.grisanti
    @nicolas.grisanti ปีที่แล้ว +1

    two of my favorite directors of all time!

  • @Rachel_Martin90
    @Rachel_Martin90 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The two other people needed in this convo are Stephen King and Junji Ito.

  • @corbelius6
    @corbelius6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I LOVE The inside out Library!

  • @WanabeSpiderMan
    @WanabeSpiderMan ปีที่แล้ว

    PLEASE RELEASE THE FULL 2 HOUR DISCUSSION! PLEASE!

  • @akshaytrayner1960
    @akshaytrayner1960 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great interview

  • @clarapilier
    @clarapilier ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine a colab of these two.