On the influencer discussion, I think it's worth noting that there are two different audiences watching review videos. There are the camera nerds like all of us who find it to be too much when 50 videos drop all at once. Then there's everyone else, who just randomly searches for what camera to buy, months or years later. And if all positive reviews reach those people, for Sony it's still a big win. Anyway hope you guys don't take too many weeks off, this pod has been great listening as always 😎
Really appreciate the honest talk you had about TH-camrs, sponsorships, bias/unbiased reviews and so on. You never hear other TH-camrs talk about this side of the “business”. Hope you stay this way no matter how much growth you get on this podcast channel or your main channels. I know I tend to watch the creators that I find most honest in their videos, and I quickly turn off videos I find biased about the product their are talking about. My channel is small, so I only get products from lower end companies, but when I do I make it clear to the companies that my reviews is honest, and if I really don’t like the product I’ve been sent I won’t make a video about it. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to see what you make in the future 😊
This is probably my favourite episode so far, I love how you guys are getting better and better at this type of content! Great topics, I'm still canon camp although all the brands are actually amazing now, looking forward to see what Nikon brings with z8. The part where you talk about the whole influencer economy and problems of sponsored videos are so right to the point. I got an LG monitor form LG did a video although they didn't even ask for it and when I published it I realised how biased the review is. I think from now on I'll try to go Josh route and reduce these type of videos. I will say this again here, my favourite Podcast, not just because of the topics, but because you guys are genuine nice People!
On the topic of brands/creators/sponsorships, I think Gerald Undone approaches it really well. For example he put one out today for the Panasonic s5iix. He disclosed what Panasonic sent him and that the real sponsor for his video was squarespace. I think utilizing the “provided new products” from brands in videos that are sponsored by a completely separate entity can help maintain some amount of objectivity while still being profitable on the work/time you put into making the video.
So glad to have come across this. Having spent time on team Blackmagic, I actually find Sony's "you get what you were promised at purchase" approach. The features hinted at by BMD that never came to fruition always makes you wonder if you made a mistake in purchasing. At least with Sony, your FOMO is for features that were not on offer at the time you pulled the trigger to buy.
“Less cripples” 😂😂 What you said about Canon is hilarious. Btw. Really enjoyed the last segment with you guys talking about sponsorship and the inherent tensions of that such partnerships.
The C200 was always a weird one because it didn't have 10-bit 422 internally. It was 8-bit 420 or 12-bit RAW. Not sure if that was ever rectified in a firmware but I think that put off a lot of people in what would otherwise have been a killer camera
Another raw good episode guys! Regardless of canon or Sony. What’s weird is Fuji put almost all of the same guts into each of their cameras but still limit options depending on price options.. and the buyer understand that if they want more features.. they buy the higher end model. So I don’t get why someone would buy a photo camera and expect it to run as a cinema line. I think there’s a relationship of give and take we have to remember with these companies. Unless you’re Panasonic with their S5IIX that’s just crazy good haha.
Thanks Cam! That’s very true. The sensor and processor get slapped into a shload of different bodies then they strip or add depending on the line that you wanna go into.
It is economy of scale. They have to package multiple products around as little manufactured components as possible. I think the main issue with Sony is their product lines are very muddy. They do a great job with the A7 and A7R but the FX line and the A7S are so muddy it’s ridiculous and it’s their fault! Canon does better. And has been doing better with firmware with most of their high end cameras.
Love the influencer discussion. As a smaller channel, it's interesting and really helpful to hear anyone larger talk about what they experience and how they typically handle things. Particularly, I think the concept of where a creator lies on this "business" and "artist" continuum is a great short cut to think about it. I often worry that less savvy consumers won't always see the nuance. I don't necessarily take issue with a "sponsored review" so long as it's transparent... there's potentially still value there and I treat it as if I'm watching a 10m commercial 😂 I do fully agree that it's not doing a great service for those consumers less familiar with all of the behind the scenes for all the reasons you guys discuss. Especially in the context of YT, tossing in one or two "sponsored reviews" on a channel amongst a ton of otherwise more artistic/unbiased gear vids is dicey.
Unfortunately a few bad apples (clearly biased reviews) kind of taints the waters for everyone and now it’s virtually pointless to do a sponsored review.
@@16Stops Yeah that makes sense. It would be cool if there was a dedicated spot on the channel "about" tab, similar to a dedicated trailer spot, where a creator could upload a video discussing their general approach to these things if they wanted. There's just a ton of value in hearing people's approach to this in long form and not just a generic one liner in each review.
Facts! This is why I left Sony well no Longer invested into it. I brought other cameras and invested into them. Because I still have my Sony stuff as a B camera
Obviously, overheating issues aside, I’ve realized lately that everyone gets so bogged down by gear and VERY specific specs and just ignores the fact that all cameras are good now. Literally, they’re all good and you have to be SO advanced to absolutely NEED one brand over another. And let’s be honest, a lot of us obsessing over gear and specs are not so advanced 😂🙋🏼♀️
What platforms would you guys recommend to buy/sell camera gear? Just go the eBay route? Or keh/mpb? Or something less “official/secure” like fb marketplace? Or somewhere else / all of the above?
The Influencer Question is an interesting one. I don't think there is an easy answer either. I suppose a lot of them that don't disclose the paid relationship sleep at night by telling themselves "But I DO like the product, the bag of money is just reimbursement for production costs".
I'd also add, it was nice to see Panasonic fly in some smaller creators. MFTNerd, Hoover, Patrick, etc. Leaving large influencers on the shelf for it was a credibility boost I think.
47:34 Ask the Northrups how it went for them after their (unfavourable) Z7 review! See youtube video: B1G6-8D3EcM --No more Nikon hands-on before launch day for them since, even though the Z8 is a great offering and could have had a decent review!
Thomas Heaton took viewers on his journey, showing how he found the whole chaperone process a little stifling to his creativity. TH-cam video: oEQqoviuTb0
Is it just me or is there a complete divide in the camera market? We have camera people that are very much strictly into photography, and say things like “why does anyone even care about a fully articulating screen, I never even use the screen” (which by the way blows my mind) and then everyone else who is used to having a very capable smart phone that does camera and video. So…big surprise, a lot of people don’t want to buy a camera that isn’t excellent at both. I don’t know how many people are in that second group, but to me it seems like the vast majority, and the camera companies need to pay better attention to that I think. On the topic of DJI’s drones, does anyone always want to say DGI instead of DJI? I have to fight it every time. And I really want a drone, but I’m convinced I will crash it almost immediately so I’m afraid to spend the money.
Your first fly with a drone have to be in an empty land, without trees, high hills, buildings and so one. Learn piloting that drone there and after you are familiar with how a drone works, go further. Dji drones are almost impossible to crush due to high precision in flight, gps what keep them fixed in one place on the air & obstacles avoidance. I did learn in this way but with way worse drones than dji. Take your time to learn to fly and then you will be happy with years of fly and no crushes 😊 I fly drones from 2017 and I have 0 (zero) crushes. - the most important in the process of learning fly drones is to respect the right steps to start a drone. Like calibration on every time you start to fly, turn on first the controller then the drone itself, waiting to finish the satellites connection and so on.
Great discussion. Would have loved to hear about canon’s continuous price cuts to their cinema line. In their mind, I believe they think they are doing something nice but in reality they are punishing their early adopting clients who invest into these high ticket items and end up discouraging anyone to buy a flagship bc soon they drop the price by $5k. That’s a huge reason why I switched to Sony. You don’t see that happening from Sony.
Yeah I’ve already lost like $1300 on my R5C. I know that’s not the high end line but it still sucks. But like with the FX6 you’re getting the same sensor as the FX3 and I guess the same as the ZV-E1 which (at least for me) cheapens The camera. Just two different ways to think about devaluing a product
Hahahaha, found your video and the first thing you said Sony and Canon are the biggest. Nikon fanboys will say another You Tubers not professionals. Have subscribed and clicked the nofication button
Does anyone have any proof that creators get put in “timeout” if they release a negative review? I understand it makes sense but if thats not actually something that happens i think the conversation should move on.
Canon all day. If you buy a camera with what it offers at the time of purchase that's a decision you made and should be okay with. If you get bonuses every few months with Firmware that's even more bad ass. Things to look forward to. Not really the case with Sony. I think Sony has great marketing. People are willing to look past short comings for that logo. Can't get mad after the fact. Cripples? When I buy a car there's base model and top of the line. This is, ya get what ya pay for 101. No? It's odd to me people expect everything with a base model.
On the influencer discussion, I think it's worth noting that there are two different audiences watching review videos. There are the camera nerds like all of us who find it to be too much when 50 videos drop all at once. Then there's everyone else, who just randomly searches for what camera to buy, months or years later. And if all positive reviews reach those people, for Sony it's still a big win.
Anyway hope you guys don't take too many weeks off, this pod has been great listening as always 😎
Thanks for watching brother - and probably 3-4 weeks. We like doing it so we won’t be gone long.
Really appreciate the honest talk you had about TH-camrs, sponsorships, bias/unbiased reviews and so on. You never hear other TH-camrs talk about this side of the “business”. Hope you stay this way no matter how much growth you get on this podcast channel or your main channels. I know I tend to watch the creators that I find most honest in their videos, and I quickly turn off videos I find biased about the product their are talking about.
My channel is small, so I only get products from lower end companies, but when I do I make it clear to the companies that my reviews is honest, and if I really don’t like the product I’ve been sent I won’t make a video about it.
Keep up the good work! Looking forward to see what you make in the future 😊
Absolutely Roger. Josh has already made it “big” on TH-cam so he’s not changing. And for both of us transparency is extremely important.
You are almost there!!! Good luck, great content!
Thanks Steve!
This is probably my favourite episode so far, I love how you guys are getting better and better at this type of content! Great topics, I'm still canon camp although all the brands are actually amazing now, looking forward to see what Nikon brings with z8. The part where you talk about the whole influencer economy and problems of sponsored videos are so right to the point. I got an LG monitor form LG did a video although they didn't even ask for it and when I published it I realised how biased the review is. I think from now on I'll try to go Josh route and reduce these type of videos.
I will say this again here, my favourite Podcast, not just because of the topics, but because you guys are genuine nice People!
I'm actually a Giant Douche;)
40:55 "Every level has less cripples, it's just like how crippled do you want the camera-" 🤣
Hahaha
St George UT is incredible! I lived there for almost 3 years.
I grew up there
On the topic of brands/creators/sponsorships, I think Gerald Undone approaches it really well. For example he put one out today for the Panasonic s5iix. He disclosed what Panasonic sent him and that the real sponsor for his video was squarespace. I think utilizing the “provided new products” from brands in videos that are sponsored by a completely separate entity can help maintain some amount of objectivity while still being profitable on the work/time you put into making the video.
So glad to have come across this. Having spent time on team Blackmagic, I actually find Sony's "you get what you were promised at purchase" approach. The features hinted at by BMD that never came to fruition always makes you wonder if you made a mistake in purchasing. At least with Sony, your FOMO is for features that were not on offer at the time you pulled the trigger to buy.
If they release the cube camera soon will you be going back? ;)
@@16Stops No a new BMD Micro would not change my mind. If that were enough to sway me I would have jumped to the Panasonic BS1H.
“Less cripples” 😂😂 What you said about Canon is hilarious. Btw. Really enjoyed the last segment with you guys talking about sponsorship and the inherent tensions of that such partnerships.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Both! C70 + fx3 is the way
I know you know that we love that company
The C200 was always a weird one because it didn't have 10-bit 422 internally. It was 8-bit 420 or 12-bit RAW. Not sure if that was ever rectified in a firmware but I think that put off a lot of people in what would otherwise have been a killer camera
Pretty sure it’s just the 8bit or 12bit raw
Another raw good episode guys!
Regardless of canon or Sony. What’s weird is Fuji put almost all of the same guts into each of their cameras but still limit options depending on price options.. and the buyer understand that if they want more features.. they buy the higher end model. So I don’t get why someone would buy a photo camera and expect it to run as a cinema line. I think there’s a relationship of give and take we have to remember with these companies.
Unless you’re Panasonic with their S5IIX that’s just crazy good haha.
Thanks Cam!
That’s very true. The sensor and processor get slapped into a shload of different bodies then they strip or add depending on the line that you wanna go into.
It is economy of scale. They have to package multiple products around as little manufactured components as possible. I think the main issue with Sony is their product lines are very muddy. They do a great job with the A7 and A7R but the FX line and the A7S are so muddy it’s ridiculous and it’s their fault!
Canon does better. And has been doing better with firmware with most of their high end cameras.
Josh, was your C70 your camera in this episode? Or is it still in the offing as your new studio cam?
I think it was.
What platform do you guys use for live streaming?
I know Josh uses Ecamm Live and I used to use ReStream
Love the influencer discussion. As a smaller channel, it's interesting and really helpful to hear anyone larger talk about what they experience and how they typically handle things. Particularly, I think the concept of where a creator lies on this "business" and "artist" continuum is a great short cut to think about it. I often worry that less savvy consumers won't always see the nuance. I don't necessarily take issue with a "sponsored review" so long as it's transparent... there's potentially still value there and I treat it as if I'm watching a 10m commercial 😂 I do fully agree that it's not doing a great service for those consumers less familiar with all of the behind the scenes for all the reasons you guys discuss. Especially in the context of YT, tossing in one or two "sponsored reviews" on a channel amongst a ton of otherwise more artistic/unbiased gear vids is dicey.
Unfortunately a few bad apples (clearly biased reviews) kind of taints the waters for everyone and now it’s virtually pointless to do a sponsored review.
@@16Stops Yeah that makes sense. It would be cool if there was a dedicated spot on the channel "about" tab, similar to a dedicated trailer spot, where a creator could upload a video discussing their general approach to these things if they wanted. There's just a ton of value in hearing people's approach to this in long form and not just a generic one liner in each review.
I think firmware updates is where Lumix has the potential to surpass Sony and canon.
4k 60 please #LUMIX w/o crop.
I'd love a new flagship APS-C for Sony. Finally turn my a6600 into a c-cam
Facts! This is why I left Sony well no Longer invested into it.
I brought other cameras and invested into them. Because I still have my Sony stuff as a B camera
Nikon are all about the Pro wildlife photographers and big ass glass!
Obviously, overheating issues aside, I’ve realized lately that everyone gets so bogged down by gear and VERY specific specs and just ignores the fact that all cameras are good now. Literally, they’re all good and you have to be SO advanced to absolutely NEED one brand over another. And let’s be honest, a lot of us obsessing over gear and specs are not so advanced 😂🙋🏼♀️
Very true. You can’t throw a rock without hitting an awesome camera.
@@16Stops seriously. Even iPhones. Like…dang 🤯
What platforms would you guys recommend to buy/sell camera gear? Just go the eBay route? Or keh/mpb? Or something less “official/secure” like fb marketplace? Or somewhere else / all of the above?
Josh and I were just talking about this and both of us prefer locally using FB marketplace
sony overheats too...and no one talks about it hahaha
Panasonic Lumx .... lol ... But Sony is what I am invested in.
The Influencer Question is an interesting one. I don't think there is an easy answer either. I suppose a lot of them that don't disclose the paid relationship sleep at night by telling themselves "But I DO like the product, the bag of money is just reimbursement for production costs".
I'd also add, it was nice to see Panasonic fly in some smaller creators. MFTNerd, Hoover, Patrick, etc. Leaving large influencers on the shelf for it was a credibility boost I think.
You have to disclose the paid promotion in the upload process but…
@@16Stops 🦮 Sometimes the seeing eye dog skips the question.
47:34 Ask the Northrups how it went for them after their (unfavourable) Z7 review! See youtube video: B1G6-8D3EcM --No more Nikon hands-on before launch day for them since, even though the Z8 is a great offering and could have had a decent review!
Gerald also mentioned that pre-release a Nikon ambassador has to be present or something like that. So Gerald was like I’ll wait till release then…
Thomas Heaton took viewers on his journey, showing how he found the whole chaperone process a little stifling to his creativity. TH-cam video: oEQqoviuTb0
I like these talks. Thanks :)
Thanks Siem!
Is it just me or is there a complete divide in the camera market? We have camera people that are very much strictly into photography, and say things like “why does anyone even care about a fully articulating screen, I never even use the screen” (which by the way blows my mind) and then everyone else who is used to having a very capable smart phone that does camera and video. So…big surprise, a lot of people don’t want to buy a camera that isn’t excellent at both. I don’t know how many people are in that second group, but to me it seems like the vast majority, and the camera companies need to pay better attention to that I think. On the topic of DJI’s drones, does anyone always want to say DGI instead of DJI? I have to fight it every time. And I really want a drone, but I’m convinced I will crash it almost immediately so I’m afraid to spend the money.
Your first fly with a drone have to be in an empty land, without trees, high hills, buildings and so one. Learn piloting that drone there and after you are familiar with how a drone works, go further.
Dji drones are almost impossible to crush due to high precision in flight, gps what keep them fixed in one place on the air & obstacles avoidance.
I did learn in this way but with way worse drones than dji.
Take your time to learn to fly and then you will be happy with years of fly and no crushes 😊
I fly drones from 2017 and I have 0 (zero) crushes.
- the most important in the process of learning fly drones is to respect the right steps to start a drone. Like calibration on every time you start to fly, turn on first the controller then the drone itself, waiting to finish the satellites connection and so on.
blessings!
🙏🏽
Great discussion. Would have loved to hear about canon’s continuous price cuts to their cinema line. In their mind, I believe they think they are doing something nice but in reality they are punishing their early adopting clients who invest into these high ticket items and end up discouraging anyone to buy a flagship bc soon they drop the price by $5k. That’s a huge reason why I switched to Sony. You don’t see that happening from Sony.
Yeah I’ve already lost like $1300 on my R5C. I know that’s not the high end line but it still sucks. But like with the FX6 you’re getting the same sensor as the FX3 and I guess the same as the ZV-E1 which (at least for me) cheapens The camera. Just two different ways to think about devaluing a product
I'm going sigma, tamron, samyang, viltrox.
A Komodo on a 300-dollar car mount...what could go wrong? 😅
Nothing, and $379 sir ha.
Hahahaha, found your video and the first thing you said Sony and Canon are the biggest. Nikon fanboys will say another You Tubers not professionals. Have subscribed and clicked the nofication button
Thanks for the support!
Does anyone have any proof that creators get put in “timeout” if they release a negative review? I understand it makes sense but if thats not actually something that happens i think the conversation should move on.
Canon all day. If you buy a camera with what it offers at the time of purchase that's a decision you made and should be okay with. If you get bonuses every few months with Firmware that's even more bad ass. Things to look forward to. Not really the case with Sony. I think Sony has great marketing. People are willing to look past short comings for that logo. Can't get mad after the fact.
Cripples? When I buy a car there's base model and top of the line. This is, ya get what ya pay for 101. No? It's odd to me people expect everything with a base model.
I think the specific cripple of overheating in the R5 is something that can’t be overlooked considering it was fixed with a firmware update.
@@16Stops True. Good point. But ya knew it had a limit. Canon didn't say it could record for an hour but only delivered 30 minutes.
Yeah I bought it that way and thankfully never had a problem, but I down the road learning that it never should have happened stung a little bit.
ill quote DJ Khaled..... ANOTHA ONE!!!
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Nikon
Fuji
Love Fuji
invite some other youtubers and you're sure to break 1000
Canon Cripples lol