The overlapping ridges on my roof are wider than on your video. Is there a clamp that works for these? drive.google.com/file/d/1pVxwHBbFnZp7SCDH67HjiXA-NBHlfqZa/view?usp=sharing
@@FoosResearch Looks like what might work best for you is one of our RibBrackets or perhaps the ProteaBracket but we may need another couple pictures of your profile to figure out what's best. Drop us your email at support@s-5.com or pthompson@s-5.com and we'll get you all the info you'll need for your project.
@@chickenbob-w7j Thanks for watching and reaching out to us. The round-point setscrews we use with our clamps slightly dimple the panel helping to provide a secure mechanical interlock, while protecting the standing seam and any sacrificial coatings, and while leaving roof warranties intact. Please visit the links below to learn a bit more how our non-penetrating round-point setscrews provide the strongest holding strength. If you have any of the questions, please reach out to support@s-5.com. f.hubspotusercontent00.net/hubfs/3482954/Resources/Technical%20Documents/the-real-truth-about-setscrews.pdf knowledge.s-5.com/knowledge/how-can-i-be-sure-that-s-5-setscrews-wont-damage-my-panel
Great looking product, I'm planning a solar install on a house construction starting this winter. Exploring a snap lock standing seam fastenerless metal roof as an option. The S-5-N looks like it would be the perfect solution. An aluminum block on a painted steel roof does concern me though. I have experience with the opposite scenario, painted aluminum deck railings when galvanized steel screws were used to secure it to deck. After 5 years the paint had blistered off the aluminum in the area near where the steel screws were contacting it. In areas where the paint on the roof may get scratched while installing the clamp, will electrolysis occur between the aluminum and steel with further paint damaged on the roof resulting from it? Are these clamps available in black, and same question about the finish durability if so?
Excellent question! We understand your concern and rest assured you will not have the same issue with our products on your roof. Fastener Compatibility with Profiled Metal Roof and Wall Panels - bit.ly/3jX5M5D As you can see in the MCA fastener compatibility chart in the link above, stainless steel and aluminum fasteners are compatible with both painted and unpainted galvanized steel. You can also see that the galvanized screws into your aluminum rails as you previously stated you had issues with would not have been recommend. This has a lot to due with surface area and amount of noble metal that is in contact with the less noble. I hope this clears things up and if you have any other questions please email us at support@s-5.com
We have a 1 inch standing seam galvanized metal roof Panels are attached with nail edge instead of clips. Can I use your attachment brackets on this type of panel?
Your roofing panel is likely what is referred to as a 1" nail flange profile that our S-5-N clamps will work well on for mounting solar and wide range of other products.
how much wind can those clamps tolerate and can they be used in winter climates? Any tios to consider for winter climates tonhwlp remove snow build up?
The load values for our attachments vary depending on the panel profile, material, & thickness. We have roofing panel specific load data that you can view on www.S-5.com in the Load Tests section at the top of the home page. They can absolutely be used in winter climates as a large part of our business and product offerings is snow retention. As with any roof top installation you will want to make sure you properly engineer your array to withstand the snow loads for your area using our load data for your roof. If you need help identifying your roof panel for the proper clamp and load values please emails us photos and measurements of the roof panel to support@s-5.com.
The S-5! direct-attach PVKIT does not allow for tilting of the panels and will maintain the pitch of the roof. However, there are a variety of racking tilt systems that can be attached to metal roofs using our clamps or brackets. If you have other questions, please drop us a line at support@s-5.com.
Hi, thanks for watching. We do not currently have the same video for exposed-fastened metal roofing. Please check out the following videos that will offer you some insight into the products we offer for trap roofs. th-cam.com/video/kZTYmkiT4uI/w-d-xo.html; th-cam.com/video/PBQMN3L6jhw/w-d-xo.html. I have included a direct link to our bracket overview page to offer you additional info. Please reach out us to with any questions. Thanks! s-5.com/products/metal-roof-brackets/
Thanks for your video. Unfortunately, my metal roof is a tile imitation, and so this doesn't work. And it's also an aluminum roof, so any magnetic solution doesn't work neither. It's making my life difficult.
S-5! does have attachment options for some metal tile / shingle roofs. If the metal is not stone coated or heavily textured, our SolarFoot or VersaBracket can in many cases can be an excellent attachment for solar or snow retention. If you send photos or a cut sheet of your roof to support@s-5.com, we can confirm if this is an option for you.
That standing seam roof is engineered to allow expansion and contraction as the roof heats & cools. This system clamps the seams that need to move - together. The clamp screws (hidden clamps at the seam joint) will be pulled back and forth every day with expansion and contraction and then fail if they can't expand/contract. how can the roof panels expand and contract when they're clamped and hundreds of extra pounds added? (Hint: they can't). Can't imagine a single standing seam roofing system where this would not void the warranty and cause substantial attachment failures. Absolutely do not do this.
Good question @fredsnit and you are correct that standing seam roofs are designed to allow for expansion and contraction. It is important to understand just how the standing seam is designed to allow for the roof panels to grow and shrink dimensionally with temperature change. This change in panel length is very minimal with shorter roof lengths but can become significant with longer roof lengths. When roof panel length is greater than 20-30 ft (6m-9m) depending on color and solar absorption ratio, standing seam metal roofs are often designed to respond thermally with dimensional change along the length of the panels. This is accomplished at the roof panel-to-its attachment clip interface or within the attachment clip itself. When referring to the attachment clip, we are discussing the clip utilized to fix the roof to the structure - I believe you refer to them as “hidden clamps”. Most pre-engineered metal buildings (the major share of commercial coated steel roofs) and other clip designs utilize dual-component clips when roof panels are above a certain length. Within the dual-component clip (often called “thermal clip” or “expansion clip”), the top portion moves thermally with the roof panel, while the lower portion (fastened to structure) is stationary; the two portions are joined with a slip joint. Differential movement between roof and structure is accommodated within that joint. When this type of clip is used, the roof and clamp secured to the seam will move together. Our clamp engages the top portion and clamping to the seam in no way impinges on the thermal movement of the roof. Other standing seam metal roofs rely on differential movement between roof clips and roof panels to accommodate thermal cycling. In other words, the roof panel “rides” the clip to accommodate excessive thermal cycling. When installing the S-5! clamp on this type of standing seam metal roof, the clamp locations should avoid the panel’s attachment clips if and when panel lengths exceed 30’ (9 m). Should a clamp be used at a clip location and the panel is greater than such length, then it is quite possible an installer could inadvertently ‘pin’ the roof panel and jeopardize the thermal integrity of this type of standing seam (which is why we instruct not to do that). Hint: Thermal movement (change in length) of any panel of any length can be calculated by this equation: ∆L = L x ∆T x C e Where: ∆T is the hottest surface temp to the coldest C e for steel is 6.7 x (10 -6 ) in/in/ºF C e for aluminum is 12.9 x (10 -6 ) in/in/ºF To learn more about this very topic please see: Metal Construction Association Part 6: Metal Roofing From A (Aluminum) to Z (Zinc) Attachment of Metal Panels t.ly/TZGn Metal Construction Association Fastener Compatibility with Profiled Metal Roof and Wall Panels SPECIAL NOTE A: Use of Seam Clamps and Brackets t.ly/ioA7 Metal Construction Association Part 7: Metal Roofing from A (Aluminum) to Z (Zinc) Rooftop Equipment Mounting and Penetrations for Low-Slope Standing-Seam Metal Roofs t.ly/fXnS University of Wisconsin- Madison, College of Engineering- Professional Development Metal Roofing Systems (2-day course) The curriculum author and instructor is the foremost metal roof expert and consultant in North America. He has won numerous awards from MBMA, MCA, CSI, RCI (IIBEC) and ASTM. (He is also the founder of S-5!) t.ly/TKFr At S-5! our goal is to promote metal roofing as the most desired, accepted, user-friendly, most coveted roof in the construction industry globally - we do this by design. Our components and systems complement-- often improve the overall performance of the roofing system itself which is why we have earned the endorsements from almost every major metal roofing manufacturer in the world - and have a track record of 30-year success on over 3 million roofs without a single documented failure.
@@TheMetalRoofingAcademy , terrific response! Thank you for explaining rather than just saying, "We accounted for that in our design". It gives me much more confidence in your system. I will likely use your system with any standing seam I may encounter. Do you have any options for screw-down/corrugated metal roofs?
@@vincenthenry3102 We do have brackets for Corrugated metal roofing. You can use the CorruBracket/Colorgard (bit.ly/3gwEGkw) for snow guard systems. And if you're installing a solar array, use the CorruBracket 100TPV (bit.ly/3dISuXe) with PVKIT 2.0 (bit.ly/3epXdfI).
If you have any further questions on the PVKIT 2.0, ask them below or contact our Technical Support Team at (888)-825-3432!
The overlapping ridges on my roof are wider than on your video. Is there a clamp that works for these? drive.google.com/file/d/1pVxwHBbFnZp7SCDH67HjiXA-NBHlfqZa/view?usp=sharing
@@FoosResearch Looks like what might work best for you is one of our RibBrackets or perhaps the ProteaBracket but we may need another couple pictures of your profile to figure out what's best. Drop us your email at support@s-5.com or pthompson@s-5.com and we'll get you all the info you'll need for your project.
Does the clamp penetrate the seam when it is tightened? Or does leave a dimple in the seam? Thanks.
@@TheMetalRoofingAcademy Thanks, I did my system diy a month ago, works fine.
@@chickenbob-w7j Thanks for watching and reaching out to us. The round-point setscrews we use with our clamps slightly dimple the panel helping to provide a secure mechanical interlock, while protecting the standing seam and any sacrificial coatings, and while leaving roof warranties intact.
Please visit the links below to learn a bit more how our non-penetrating round-point setscrews provide the strongest holding strength. If you have any of the questions, please reach out to support@s-5.com.
f.hubspotusercontent00.net/hubfs/3482954/Resources/Technical%20Documents/the-real-truth-about-setscrews.pdf
knowledge.s-5.com/knowledge/how-can-i-be-sure-that-s-5-setscrews-wont-damage-my-panel
Great looking product, I'm planning a solar install on a house construction starting this winter. Exploring a snap lock standing seam fastenerless metal roof as an option. The S-5-N looks like it would be the perfect solution. An aluminum block on a painted steel roof does concern me though. I have experience with the opposite scenario, painted aluminum deck railings when galvanized steel screws were used to secure it to deck. After 5 years the paint had blistered off the aluminum in the area near where the steel screws were contacting it. In areas where the paint on the roof may get scratched while installing the clamp, will electrolysis occur between the aluminum and steel with further paint damaged on the roof resulting from it? Are these clamps available in black, and same question about the finish durability if so?
Excellent question! We understand your concern and rest assured you will not have the same issue with our products on your roof.
Fastener Compatibility with Profiled Metal Roof and Wall Panels - bit.ly/3jX5M5D
As you can see in the MCA fastener compatibility chart in the link above, stainless steel and aluminum fasteners are compatible with both painted and unpainted galvanized steel. You can also see that the galvanized screws into your aluminum rails as you previously stated you had issues with would not have been recommend. This has a lot to due with surface area and amount of noble metal that is in contact with the less noble.
I hope this clears things up and if you have any other questions please email us at support@s-5.com
We have a 1 inch standing seam galvanized metal roof Panels are attached with nail edge instead of clips. Can I use your attachment brackets on this type of panel?
Your roofing panel is likely what is referred to as a 1" nail flange profile that our S-5-N clamps will work well on for mounting solar and wide range of other products.
how much wind can those clamps tolerate and can they be used in winter climates? Any tios to consider for winter climates tonhwlp remove snow build up?
The load values for our attachments vary depending on the panel profile, material, & thickness. We have roofing panel specific load data that you can view on www.S-5.com in the Load Tests section at the top of the home page. They can absolutely be used in winter climates as a large part of our business and product offerings is snow retention. As with any roof top installation you will want to make sure you properly engineer your array to withstand the snow loads for your area using our load data for your roof. If you need help identifying your roof panel for the proper clamp and load values please emails us photos and measurements of the roof panel to support@s-5.com.
how do you adjust the angle?
The S-5! direct-attach PVKIT does not allow for tilting of the panels and will maintain the pitch of the roof. However, there are a variety of racking tilt systems that can be attached to metal roofs using our clamps or brackets. If you have other questions, please drop us a line at support@s-5.com.
Good video showing uses of clamps for standing seam metal roof. Do you have one for the trapazoidal Exposed metal roof which takes different clamps?
Hi, thanks for watching. We do not currently have the same video for exposed-fastened metal roofing. Please check out the following videos that will offer you some insight into the products we offer for trap roofs. th-cam.com/video/kZTYmkiT4uI/w-d-xo.html; th-cam.com/video/PBQMN3L6jhw/w-d-xo.html. I have included a direct link to our bracket overview page to offer you additional info. Please reach out us to with any questions. Thanks! s-5.com/products/metal-roof-brackets/
Thanks for your video. Unfortunately, my metal roof is a tile imitation, and so this doesn't work. And it's also an aluminum roof, so any magnetic solution doesn't work neither. It's making my life difficult.
S-5! does have attachment options for some metal tile / shingle roofs. If the metal is not stone coated or heavily textured, our SolarFoot or VersaBracket can in many cases can be an excellent attachment for solar or snow retention. If you send photos or a cut sheet of your roof to support@s-5.com, we can confirm if this is an option for you.
What about grounding?
Grounding is most commonly achieved with a third-party, UL-listed, grounding lug which can attach to our PVKIT disk or the module frame.
Ok so you're not drilling thru the roof right?
Correct! When mounting with our clamps, there are no penetrations through the roof panels.
Thank God for 2x speed
That standing seam roof is engineered to allow expansion and contraction as the roof heats & cools. This system clamps the seams that need to move - together. The clamp screws (hidden clamps at the seam joint) will be pulled back and forth every day with expansion and contraction and then fail if they can't expand/contract. how can the roof panels expand and contract when they're clamped and hundreds of extra pounds added? (Hint: they can't). Can't imagine a single standing seam roofing system where this would not void the warranty and cause substantial attachment failures. Absolutely do not do this.
Good question @fredsnit and you are correct that standing seam roofs are designed to allow
for expansion and contraction. It is important to understand just how the standing seam is
designed to allow for the roof panels to grow and shrink dimensionally with temperature
change. This change in panel length is very minimal with shorter roof lengths but can become
significant with longer roof lengths. When roof panel length is greater than 20-30 ft (6m-9m)
depending on color and solar absorption ratio, standing seam metal roofs are often designed to
respond thermally with dimensional change along the length of the panels. This is accomplished
at the roof panel-to-its attachment clip interface or within the attachment clip itself. When
referring to the attachment clip, we are discussing the clip utilized to fix the roof to the
structure - I believe you refer to them as “hidden clamps”.
Most pre-engineered metal buildings (the major share of commercial coated steel roofs) and
other clip designs utilize dual-component clips when roof panels are above a certain length.
Within the dual-component clip (often called “thermal clip” or “expansion clip”), the top
portion moves thermally with the roof panel, while the lower portion (fastened to structure) is
stationary; the two portions are joined with a slip joint. Differential movement between roof
and structure is accommodated within that joint. When this type of clip is used, the roof and
clamp secured to the seam will move together. Our clamp engages the top portion and
clamping to the seam in no way impinges on the thermal movement of the roof.
Other standing seam metal roofs rely on differential movement between roof clips and roof
panels to accommodate thermal cycling. In other words, the roof panel “rides” the clip to
accommodate excessive thermal cycling. When installing the S-5! clamp on this type of standing
seam metal roof, the clamp locations should avoid the panel’s attachment clips if and when
panel lengths exceed 30’ (9 m). Should a clamp be used at a clip location and the panel is
greater than such length, then it is quite possible an installer could inadvertently ‘pin’ the roof
panel and jeopardize the thermal integrity of this type of standing seam (which is why we
instruct not to do that).
Hint: Thermal movement (change in length) of any panel of any length can be calculated by this
equation:
∆L = L x ∆T x C e
Where:
∆T is the hottest surface temp to the coldest
C e for steel is 6.7 x (10 -6 ) in/in/ºF
C e for aluminum is 12.9 x (10 -6 ) in/in/ºF
To learn more about this very topic please see:
Metal Construction Association
Part 6: Metal Roofing From A (Aluminum) to Z (Zinc)
Attachment of Metal Panels
t.ly/TZGn
Metal Construction Association
Fastener Compatibility with Profiled Metal Roof and Wall Panels
SPECIAL NOTE A: Use of Seam Clamps and Brackets
t.ly/ioA7
Metal Construction Association
Part 7: Metal Roofing from A (Aluminum) to Z (Zinc)
Rooftop Equipment Mounting and Penetrations for Low-Slope Standing-Seam Metal Roofs
t.ly/fXnS
University of Wisconsin- Madison, College of Engineering- Professional Development
Metal Roofing Systems (2-day course)
The curriculum author and instructor is the foremost metal roof expert and consultant in North
America. He has won numerous awards from MBMA, MCA, CSI, RCI (IIBEC) and ASTM. (He is
also the founder of S-5!)
t.ly/TKFr
At S-5! our goal is to promote metal roofing as the most desired, accepted, user-friendly, most
coveted roof in the construction industry globally - we do this by design. Our components and
systems complement-- often improve the overall performance of the roofing system itself
which is why we have earned the endorsements from almost every major metal roofing
manufacturer in the world - and have a track record of 30-year success on over 3 million roofs
without a single documented failure.
@@TheMetalRoofingAcademy , terrific response! Thank you for explaining rather than just saying, "We accounted for that in our design". It gives me much more confidence in your system. I will likely use your system with any standing seam I may encounter. Do you have any options for screw-down/corrugated metal roofs?
@@vincenthenry3102 We do have brackets for Corrugated metal roofing.
You can use the CorruBracket/Colorgard (bit.ly/3gwEGkw) for snow guard systems.
And if you're installing a solar array, use the CorruBracket 100TPV (bit.ly/3dISuXe) with PVKIT 2.0 (bit.ly/3epXdfI).