The unique definition of the term 'refugee' for Palestinians needs to be abolished immediately. UNWRA needs to be closed down immediately pending further investigation. This lady's analysis is perhaps one of the best I have heard. Outstanding.
Whatever "refugees" are left in Gaza after the war is over will need to be managed by the other UN agency that has refugees for its mission. I understand that other agency (UNHCR) is not totally corrupt. But it, too, will have to be examined.
I am from South Africa and here is "apartheid" to blame mentality for ever and will be as such for the best 100 years. Get real and start a life! Blaming and shaming brings you nowhere!
only people who were alive when they fled should be considered refugees. At the same time there were 700,000 Muslim refugees from Israel, there were 1,000,000 Jewish refugees from the neighboring Muslim countries at or supporting war against the Jews that were expelled or fled to Israel. Population exchange, of which the worst happened to Jews. But half the world wants to believe that in 1948 of all years the Jews would rationalize that a genocide against people of another religion was their moral duty.
"The Palestinians are simply a people with terrible priorities" - so true. It is incredibly frustrating that most people in Germany (and I'm sure in many other western countries too) don't realize this. I have heard people here blaming it on Israel that no agreement could be achieved between Israel and the Palestinians. And I wasn't even aware that there is a special organization within the UN dealing with the Palestinians - I mean, WTF???
Yes - all these years of billions of UnWRA aid and what is there to show for it - 1 million confused hate filled poverty stricken generational victims - under the thumb of barbaric terrorists.
UN Refugee Relief is for millions globally. UNWRA is dedicated only for (at that time) 700k Arabs who were doing terrier (sic) attacks on Jewish residents (WHO PURCHASED LAND FROM ARABS) and who fled homes when the local Fedayeen warriors got help from Arab pals in Egypt Jordan Syria Iraq etc to invade and slaughter. Now they want millions to move back NEXT DOOR to the Js they were trying to kill and who they still hate and want to see totally annihilated.
@@oliviakahlo1 if you do not want nations to fall like dominoes to the rising tide of religious military conquest then maybe you will get what you deserve
@@Pacdoc-oz If Israel would honor the 1948 UN boundaries and stop treating the region as something owed to it, maybe we wouldn’t create these reactionary militants. The U.S. doesn’t “deserve” the wrath for Israel’s behavior unless we support them, which we do. Israel as a state doesn’t deserve to exist, and my country is criminal to support it. So yeah, maybe we will get what we deserve if we keep enabling oppression in the region. Israel needs to fight its own battles and not draw our military into its criminal service. Giving billions to your pariah state while our veterans live in the streets is shameful.
Please lecture the world thank you human behaviour never ceases to amaze the people marching for palestine have no idea about anything only what they here on the news its obvious the education of many countries is extremely poorr
😂😂😂 says the one who cannot even spell poor! What you’ll find is that, people with humanity don’t see the atrocities happening and shut their eyes, they don’t know the history, and cover their ears, they don’t see brown skin and think, oh that’s their problem not mine. YOU cannot speak for others, and why they do what they do! Speak for and educate yourself first!
there is that old joke that says that if you ask a jewish mother what she would like his son to be when he grows up she would say "doctor" without thinking about it. in some cases is true, but most times parents would say something like "i want him to be happy." anyway i've heard more than one palestinian mother on tv saying: "it would make me very happy if my son will be a martyr for jihad", pretty disturbing
Yes. And it helps to explain why so many children have been killed in Gaza. Their lives are not seen as precious in the way Israeli children's lives are, so many of them are not protected or taken out of dangerous areas, even after the IDF warns people to leave and provides help evacuating. And when they get killed, they call them "martyrs", even though being children it was not their own choice. That's what I find so repulsive, because one can't be a martyr if one's death in the service of whatever was not chosen. You can't "martyr" other people. It's so sick.
It was interesting to hear what she had to say toward the end in terms of solutions. Riffing off of that, what seems reasonable to me is it one of these other agencies begin with the mandate to resettle them and have a limited time frame from which to do it say 5 years. Once somebody is resettled someplace else they can get a stipend for 6 more months and then they need to make their own way in the world. People can have the stipend for longer say up to 5 years but if they are not resettled by then, the world no longer has any responsibility for them. In terms of the Palestinians who are in Gaza or the West Bank and want to stay put, there would have to be strict guidelines to make sure that they played no part whatsoever in terrorism and had no involvement in crimes whatsoever. They would have to make something out of Gaza knowing that none of them are ever going to work in Israel for a generation. Frankly I feel that the world has given them far far more than they deserve for far too long especially when you look at other people's who have been in much worse situations that unlike the Palestinians they have not brought on themselves. Death penalty for playing any part in terrorism including building tunnels
Agree 100%. Gueteres and his UN henchmen and women have marked up these group of humanity for a long, long time. UN and donors should stop funding these pretenders! Palestinians are taking advantage of the ignorance of the West and UN! These idiots should start giving Palestinians conditions b4 giving them any more money!
I love that you said this " Frankly I feel that the world has given them far far more than they deserve for far too long especially when you look at other people's who have been in much worse situations that unlike the Palestinians they have not brought on themselves" so true. I think these Arab "Palestinian's" have been used as pawn's by the Arab leaders and my their own leaders.
It's simple : Egypt takes Gaza, Jordan takes in the Arab Palestinians of Judea and Samaria - it is Israeli sovereign territory, and Israel cannot afford to lose any more territory. Since these two countries held these two areas respectively 1948-1967, the onus is on them to take in these people who are Arab and largely Muslim, like them.
@bobbyd5167 you're so Righteous you don't even realize you're the one who's been brainwashed. I've actually done thousands of hours of research from unbiased sources. You look like a priveleged baby who lives on stolen land
Let's get this straight. Calling them 'refugees' is simply playing into the hands of Hamas. According to international humanitarian law, refugee status cannot be inherited. Nearly the so-called Gaza refugees are descendants of Palestinians who fled Israel after its invasion by five Arab states when it became independent on May 14, 1948, So, not 'refugees', as they were nearly all born and bred in the Gaza Strip. Like other Arab regimes, as a matter of policy, Hamas denies these bogus refugees citizen status for the following 3 reasons: 1) so that their upkeep can be delegated via UNWRA to you, as a tax-payer; 2) To be used as 'war crime' fodder the for world's gullible media and 3) as human shields.
"Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reveals that approx. 1,468 UNRWA workers are active in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and 30 of them actively participated in the Oct. 7th massacre. He also published the identities of 12 of those workers, "
Thank you for this very informative and helpful interview. Its a pity that the sound quality suffered with issues at times. Einat Wilf has a very cogent overview, thanks for making it happen.
She hits the nail on the head. UNWRA is now so rotten to the core that it must be dissolved. I love the example of an American billionaire who is also a refugee. They inflate the numbers! They also inflate the numbers of people being killed in the current war. Until Palestinians recognize the right of Israel to exist and choose to live alongside Israel in peace, there won't be peace.
Al-Aqsa is one of the holy places of the Muslims. They consider it to be a place their prophet Muhammad reached on a flying horse. Al-Aqsa is located in an area called the Temple Mount, along with other religious sites. Which is where it gets interesting. Temple Mount is the location of the first and second Jewish temples, making it a very holy place in Judaism. As part of various agreements over the years we ended up in a place where the Jewish people are allowed to pray only at the west boundary of it called the Western Wall (HaKotel HaMa'aravi). Even though the rest of the area is also holy to the Jews, they are not allowed to access some of it and even where they can still enter (for a limited time) they are not allowed to pray (Israeli police actually arrest people for it). Lately, an extrema group decided that they will go there and pray there anyway, which wasn’t received well anywhere. But the bigger problem was that this time they were backed by someone from our government. These actions are against the law and though I understand why they did it they should be be prosecuted. As you can imagine, this was not received well by the Palestinian community (which I completely agree with on this point) and Hamas declared their operation like it was done to protect Al-Aqsa. Mind you, the proof we are finding all the time shows that the 7 October was planned long before, so a lot of us don’t really understand this concept. Not to mention that they did everything to communities that were very strong peace advocates. Personally I can’t seem to understand how attacking people indiscriminately (including babies, elders, Muslims, foreign nationals and a lot more) and in such an inhuman way can be justified as protecting a place that isn’t even there. So my personal take is that they were hoping to get the help of the rest of the Arab world by using the holy place name. An interesting video with the Opinion of a journalist/blogger from Saudi-Arabia that talks a bit about this is: th-cam.com/video/9f64YFwRc6c/w-d-xo.html
@@adigabai Thanks, just to add to what you said: the Temple Mount is actually the holiest place in Judaism. The site - where Al-Aqsa and the nearby Dome of the Rock is now, thus Jerusalem itself - is only the third holiest site in Islam. Muslims actually have to face away from it when they pray in the direction of Mecca, which tells you something about its relative lack of significance to their faith. But because historically it was a place of Islamic conquest - the mosque literally build on the run-ins of a Christian church and a Jewish temple - acquired a great symbolic significance. And, the idea of a place conquered by Islam being re-taken is extremely threatening, because such a loss of power and control is humiliating to them. It happened in the part of Spain that used to be under Muslim rule, and it happened in the part of Palestine that became Israel. So for a long time they've used their continued domination of the Temple Mount as a focal point of radical Arabs, and do not tolerate the idea of Jewish or Christian people ever having equal access to it, or the freedom to pray there, as they see it as a desecration of "their" holy place. Or IMO, they are deeply offended by the idea of all three religious sharing it, because in the Islamist worldview, Islam is the supreme religion. What's interesting is that people of all faiths - Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and otherwise - are allowed to pray at the Western Wall (Kotel).
@@adigabai Correct ! Jerusalem, as its name suggests is a Jewish city, and has been since time immemorial. Arabs conquered from Arabia in the 7th century. When Muslims in Jerusalem turn to Mecca to pray, they turn their backs on the holy city of Jerusalem, thus proving that it was never a holy city for Muslims. Second, the term "al Aqsa" means the furthest place, which probably meant Jerusalem, since it was far from Mecca. The mosque, to add insult, was built at the site of the Mount of Olives, sacred to Judaism. It was also built some 60 years after Mohammed died, so he never even went there...
In 1962, during the Algerian war of independence, Jews who had French citizenship, moved to France and were resettled there. Some still live in France, a lot chose Israel, some North America. No one is moving back to Algeria even if Jews had previously lived in North Africa for centuries. Arabs have so much land and so many States, it should be easy to solve this conflict provided UNRWA is dismantled and Arab countries make the strategic wise decision that peace is more beneficial than constant war delusions.
Pakistan has expelled 1.7million afghani Moslem refugees . Where’s the outrage of their fellow Muslim people. Jews have been refugees for thousands of years before the creation of Israel in 1948. Throughout the numerous occupations of the land of Israel and the surrounding countries Jews have had to flee and settle in other countries that have also persecuted them, causing generational diaspora and refugee crisis. You do not hear them complaining but you do hear a lot of voices of condemnation of the term anti semitic and reflection of the holocaust is also denied by many. The denial of the right for Israel to exist in peace has been on going due to the constant conflict and aggression inflicted on them by Palestinians and surroundings Islamic countries. Their right to exist is essential and their right to peace, dignity and freedom in the only democracy in the Middle East is imperative.
What is the validity of using the name when there is actually no Palestine nation or state and the only connection that has with the people in the West Bank and Gaza is that they were designated Palestinian Arabs by the League of Nations, using the word for the region. If Palestinian applies to all people in a region, then every occupant of the state of Israel is a Palestinian whether Jew, Christian, Arab or Druze
Yes; I have problems forcing myself to use the word "Palestinian" without quotation marks. I try to at least call them "Palestinian Arabs", just to distinguish them from Israeli Arabs, because Palestinian alone is a completely fake and invented nationality. They really should have all just been given citizenship in either Jordan or Egypt during those two countries' occupations of the West Bank and Gaza, and those places should have been annexed. Maybe it would have happened eventually, if it hadn't been for the Six Day War. I think a lot of things would be very different now, if it hadn't been for that war, but we can't go back and change history.
It appears that the Hamas thought the same way as the lsrealies on October the 7th: lt is better to stand and fight in Gaza than to stand and fight in Isreal.
It is not the problem of where they live. They just want Israel does not have a state. That's all! Many PA are living in UK/US/Australia and other European countries. That does not make any different. They already went to the street protest "from the river to the sea..." just after Okto7.
The origins of Palestinian Terrorism murder. Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He openly argued that “neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat.” Rather, terrorism had “a great part to play… in our war against the occupier [Britain].” Nor did Shamir express regrets about his terrorist past, telling an interviewer in 1998 that “had I not acted as I did, it is doubtful that we would have been able to create an independent Jewish state of our own.”
It's because the status of "refugee" in their case is passed on from parent to child. They are the only "refugees" in the world who can acquire refugee status that way.
While he did send a letter to our government saying he is willing to accept which led to the Oslo accords. On the day of the signing of the Oslo Accords (September 13, 1993), in a pre-recorded speech broadcast on Jordanian television, Arafat informed the Palestinian people that the "Declaration of Principles" was only part of the implementation of the PLO's "phased strategy". In public speeches, Arafat compared the Oslo Accords to the Khudibayya Agreement several times ( in Johannesburg in 1994 and in Cairo in 1995), as well as in a speech in Stockholm in 1996, he told the ambassadors of the Arab countries: "[We plan] to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a pure Palestinian state. We will tire the life out of the Jews with psychological warfare and population explosion. Jews will not want to live among us, the Arabs."
@@adigabai and he was actually an Egyptian and was trained by the KGB in Egypt in the 1960’s …forged passport/birth certificate and the idea of a Palestinian People and the PLO were formulated there.
So why are "pro-Palestinian" people all over the world still screaming, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"? Why do so many of them openly refer to all of the former British Mandate Palestine, Israel included, as "occupied", and refer to Israelis living there as "illegal settlers"?
If you're talking about the Middle East, it is both. Of course, one must keep in mind that refugees who engage in paramilitary and revolutionary operations within their host countries are not likely to be welcomed in as citizens. Numerous Palestinians were ejected from neighboring nations for those reasons. Even Jordan, which used to accept West Bank Palestinians as citizens, has revoked the citizenship of many in the past 20 years or so, claiming they are the responsibility of the PA. Of course, there are Palestinians who have full citizenship in Europe and North America, so it's not as though obtaining citizenship elsewhere is impossible; it's just not easy. But, of course, finding homes in new countries for refugees never is. It would, however, have been much, much easier to resettle the Palestinians 50-75 years ago. Sadly, a combination of factors will likely keep them "refugees" for many years to come.
both from the same religious roots, refusal from religious zeal and prevention by other zealots making them stay. Nothing to do with Israel or the League of Nations.
This whole appalling presentation ignores the history of the establishment of the state of Israel in Palestine. Making Palestinians refugees in their own homeland.
Many Palestinians are stuck in refugee camps. Overcrowded, stateless and discriminated against. UNRWA provides essential humanitarian aid in a catastrophic situation. US Presidents and Secretaries of State have confirmed that Israel is the obstruction to peace by building settlements in the West Bank. Both Israel and Palestinian are responsible for there not being a Palestinian state.
They were given a rich and promising future when Israel TOTALLY ABANDONED Gaza, forcing all Jews to leave and even the graves, even though Gaza has had Jewish communities since ancient times. They left greenhouses and housing which Hamas destroyed wanting nothing left from the Jews. They left a gorgeous prime Mediterranean coastline which could have been high class hotels and tourism. And the Muslims got to vote. They voted for Hamas. They continued to support Hamas till now! Just read the Hamas charter if you want to know how Hamas felt about being neighbors with the Jews.
@NFFC, nobody is saying the Palestinians should not have their own place, but like she said, who want to remain a refugee for the rest of their life? Those who relocated to Europe to seek asylum over there, do they remain asylum seeker for the rest of their lives? They are absorbed into society within a period of time and not that all the generations after that will remain asylum seekers, so UNWRA has failed in its work and let the UNCHR take over rather than creating a separate agency for the Palestinians separate from the general one
Sorry, but those are nonsensical talking points; they're not "stuck" anywhere, and those so-called "camps" are established brick-and-mortar towns and cities, with apartment complexes, houses, schools, parks, banks, businesses, shopping centres, hospitals, universities, sports complexes, museums, theatres, galleries, and their own governments. The settlements in the West Bank are a non-issue; the Area they're in, Area C, is Israeli territory according to the Oslo Peace Accords and Israeli is entitled to build whatever it likes there. Israeli settlements are absolutely forbidden in Areas A (the PA-governed area, i.e. most of it) and B. Unauthorized ones are swiftly shut down and dismantled by the IDF, and the illegal settlers can be arrested. There are over 300,000 Israelis living in Area C now; most of those settlements have been there since the 1970s, and they aren't going anywhere. Their existence has nothing to do with there not being a Palestinians state; there isn't a Palestinian state because the Arabs done want one. They've turned down the offer of a state six times.
I wonder if you see the parallel between the never ending tragedy in Israel-Palestine because of zionist political exclusiveness, and where a very similar logic of Hindutva is taking India and the subcontinent towards.
ignorance of the presence of Jews, Arabs, Druze and Christians living as citizens in the state of Israel is no excuse for using Zionism as a dirty word. Making the land on which Mt Zion lies a place to return to from exile and refuge imposed by force and hatred is of no offence or injustice to any other person.
Interesting my school didn't have a single book from her. We do have lots of school book so it is possible I wasn't aware of one. Can you please direct me to the book you are referring to? She wrote several books. Did you know that in a way, she actually expressed sympathy to the Palestinians and their "attack". And Israel being a liberal democracy she wasn't fired over it. The Israeli citizens however didn't appreciate her stance and felt betrayed (considering the huge brutal massacre that happened, I wonder why...) and she quit her job at the college she was teaching at. So if you are trying to imply that we are taught to hate the Palestinians its not based on reality. Quite the opposite, just look at the UNRwa school books (aimed at little childrens)
Yes we did. People like referring to Gaza as occupation / open air prison because of the blockade. But if you look at the blockade closely... Its important to note that the so called blockade started after Hamas took power. Since around 2005, Israel treated the border of Gaza as an international border. Like any international border there was a checkpoint that people need to go through. After Hamas rose to power Israel increased the security around that border. While Gazans weren’t allowed to come and settle in Israel, they were not entirely blocked from entering. Gazans that had no affiliation to terrorism were allowed to leave Gaza and enter Israel, and of course also to return. Do you know of any country that will allow a known terrorists to enter? In addition to the border with Israel, Gaza has a border with Egypt. Part of the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt is that Egypt will not let known terrorists to enter or leave. Note that this doesn’t mean to forbid everyone. Some Gazans even got a permit to work inside Israel which allowed them to earn more money than they would in Gaza. Some of them even came to Israel for medical treatments. While they aren’t allowed to immigrate and settle in Israel, under certain conditions they are granted Asylum (For example: LGBT). Like any goods that pass through border control, they pass through inspection. Israel doesn’t allow goods that can be used for terror attacks against its citizens to pass through the border. Sadly, Hamas has a proven track record of taking goods that are meant for the populace and using them for terror. Like the concrete that was supposed to go to reconstruction and was instead used to build the tunnels. As for the water and electricity. Israel provides %8~%12 of the water supply that goes into Gaza and about %50 of the electricity. Israel btw is under no legal obligation to supply this to Gaza. The agreement for supplying the water and electricity was made as a temporary measure to provide Gaza time to build up its own infrastructure since Israel fully and unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. (Isn’t it a bit weird that after all this time and international aid that Gaza received Israel is still providing it?) Once the water and electricity from Israel reaches Gaza, Israel has no control over it. So when Hamas bombs the infrastructure providing it, the rest of Gaza is in a bit of a problem. Weird fact: after the war started, the IDF repaired water pipes that were destroyed by Hamas. Hamas (their government) btw said that since 70% of the people in Gaza are "refugees". The UN should take care of them and not Hamas. Everything mentioned in this comment is easy to verify, so instead of repeating slogans someone told you, check it out for yourself. Gaza is not an open-air prison, nor was it under occupation since 2005.
Also, when Israel pulled out of Gaza on 2005, they left behind advanced technology greenhouses that were already generating millions of dollars of income. It was promptly destroyed by the locals
What do you mean "land-locked"? Gaza has a long coastline. The blockades imposed on it were the result of its elected government, Hamas, going to war against Israel and constantly firing rockets at it and often hitting civilian areas. The essentials of life, like food, fuel, medical supplies and equipment, and building materials, were not affected by the blockades, and they still had generous UNRWA funding, so they'd had plenty of opportunity to improve their society if they'd wanted to.
A Knesset member is hardly objective. Historical and political analysis without self critique is worthless. As Jewish historian Henry Abramson pointed out in his excellent videos, Benny Morris and Rashid Khalidi showed you can be self critical and partisan. The refugees have nowhere to go. The Palestinians asked for a democratic vote on the future of their own country in 1948. Under UN Law as the majority in this country they were entitled to this. In India the people were both indigenous, many of the Israeli settlers were not indigenous. The PLO did accept the existence of the Israeli state, Israel prevented the possibility of this by settlements in the West Bank. Isarael wanted all of historical Palestine, Greater Israel. Israel educates its children in the very same partisan way.
History involves facts and myths. If you want to do the research you will find that you have drunk the kool-aid. There was no Muslim Palestinian people before the 1970s, the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza are not refugees by any definition. They could have built a paradise in Gaza with the BILLIONS of dollars given to them by the western nations (not the Arab nations. I could go on but there are many books you could read. I doubt you will.
In order to be classified as a refugee, you need to be displaced beyond the nation boarders in which you reside. Palestinians were displaced to other parts of mandatory Palestine. They are the only people in the history of the world who never left the boundaries in which they reside but are considered refugees. “They have no where to go” you say. They don’t need to go anywhere, they were born, raised and live in Palestine!
Greater Palestine was Jordan, Lebanon and Southern Syria. That's what the Arab Palestinians refused in 1948. When you refuse to compromise, wanting all or nothing, you usually end up with..nothing...
The unique definition of the term 'refugee' for Palestinians needs to be abolished immediately. UNWRA needs to be closed down immediately pending further investigation. This lady's analysis is perhaps one of the best I have heard. Outstanding.
And the UN clearly is not fit for purpose…it seemingly ignored Muslim violence on Jews and Christians throughout the Middle East. Why ?
Whatever "refugees" are left in Gaza after the war is over will need to be managed by the other UN agency that has refugees for its mission. I understand that other agency (UNHCR) is not totally corrupt. But it, too, will have to be examined.
I am from South Africa and here is "apartheid" to blame mentality for ever and will be as such for the best 100 years. Get real and start a life! Blaming and shaming brings you nowhere!
only people who were alive when they fled should be considered refugees. At the same time there were 700,000 Muslim refugees from Israel, there were 1,000,000 Jewish refugees from the neighboring Muslim countries at or supporting war against the Jews that were expelled or fled to Israel. Population exchange, of which the worst happened to Jews. But half the world wants to believe that in 1948 of all years the Jews would rationalize that a genocide against people of another religion was their moral duty.
@@wistfulthinker8801the world know the truth but want just to hate
"The Palestinians are simply a people with terrible priorities" - so true. It is incredibly frustrating that most people in Germany (and I'm sure in many other western countries too) don't realize this. I have heard people here blaming it on Israel that no agreement could be achieved between Israel and the Palestinians. And I wasn't even aware that there is a special organization within the UN dealing with the Palestinians - I mean, WTF???
Yes - all these years of billions of UnWRA aid and what is there to show for it -
1 million confused hate filled poverty stricken generational victims - under the thumb of barbaric terrorists.
UN Refugee Relief is for millions globally.
UNWRA is dedicated only for (at that time) 700k Arabs who were doing terrier (sic) attacks on Jewish residents (WHO PURCHASED LAND FROM ARABS) and who fled homes when the local Fedayeen warriors got help from Arab pals in Egypt Jordan Syria Iraq etc to invade and slaughter.
Now they want millions to move back NEXT DOOR to the Js they were trying to kill and who they still hate and want to see totally annihilated.
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Palestinians are not a real people.
So simple yet clarifies everything.
If only more people saw this and this was mentioned more on mainstream media.
Absolutely..MSM is very narrow and biased and that effects the views of so many.
A very intelligent conversation.
"That’s why they never built anything!" No, they were extremely busy building tunnels!
Excellent analysis. Very clear and informative.
Back to eastern europe israhellii
"You owe us!" Mentality. Convenient.
True, but it is received by western countries with an automatic "We owe them". There needs to be some thinking on the western side.
Always.
Israel showed too much patience.
Totally agree with this woman. No one thrives as a charity case.
Does that mean we in the US can stop coddling you Israeli “people”?
@@oliviakahlo1 if you do not want nations to fall like dominoes to the rising tide of religious military conquest then maybe you will get what you deserve
@@Pacdoc-oz If Israel would honor the 1948 UN boundaries and stop treating the region as something owed to it, maybe we wouldn’t create these reactionary militants. The U.S. doesn’t “deserve” the wrath for Israel’s behavior unless we support them, which we do. Israel as a state doesn’t deserve to exist, and my country is criminal to support it. So yeah, maybe we will get what we deserve if we keep enabling oppression in the region.
Israel needs to fight its own battles and not draw our military into its criminal service. Giving billions to your pariah state while our veterans live in the streets is shameful.
Please lecture the world thank you human behaviour never ceases to amaze the people marching for palestine have no idea about anything only what they here on the news its obvious the education of many countries is extremely poorr
😂😂😂 says the one who cannot even spell poor!
What you’ll find is that, people with humanity don’t see the atrocities happening and shut their eyes, they don’t know the history, and cover their ears, they don’t see brown skin and think, oh that’s their problem not mine. YOU cannot speak for others, and why they do what they do! Speak for and educate yourself first!
there is that old joke that says that if you ask a jewish mother what she would like his son to be when he grows up she would say "doctor" without thinking about it. in some cases is true, but most times parents would say something like "i want him to be happy." anyway i've heard more than one palestinian mother on tv saying: "it would make me very happy if my son will be a martyr for jihad", pretty disturbing
Extremely disturbed people, and nothing learned inn75 years of crying victimhood
Yes. And it helps to explain why so many children have been killed in Gaza. Their lives are not seen as precious in the way Israeli children's lives are, so many of them are not protected or taken out of dangerous areas, even after the IDF warns people to leave and provides help evacuating. And when they get killed, they call them "martyrs", even though being children it was not their own choice. That's what I find so repulsive, because one can't be a martyr if one's death in the service of whatever was not chosen. You can't "martyr" other people. It's so sick.
I’m really appreciative of her thoughtful analysis.
It was interesting to hear what she had to say toward the end in terms of solutions. Riffing off of that, what seems reasonable to me is it one of these other agencies begin with the mandate to resettle them and have a limited time frame from which to do it say 5 years. Once somebody is resettled someplace else they can get a stipend for 6 more months and then they need to make their own way in the world. People can have the stipend for longer say up to 5 years but if they are not resettled by then, the world no longer has any responsibility for them. In terms of the Palestinians who are in Gaza or the West Bank and want to stay put, there would have to be strict guidelines to make sure that they played no part whatsoever in terrorism and had no involvement in crimes whatsoever. They would have to make something out of Gaza knowing that none of them are ever going to work in Israel for a generation. Frankly I feel that the world has given them far far more than they deserve for far too long especially when you look at other people's who have been in much worse situations that unlike the Palestinians they have not brought on themselves. Death penalty for playing any part in terrorism including building tunnels
Agree 100%. Gueteres and his UN henchmen and women have marked up these group of humanity for a long, long time. UN and donors should stop funding these pretenders! Palestinians are taking advantage of the ignorance of the West and UN! These idiots should start giving Palestinians conditions b4 giving them any more money!
Make it 2 years, not 5. And they need to be resettled in muslim countries. Western countries have shown they don't have the spine to control them.
You talk absolute SH*T.
I love that you said this " Frankly I feel that the world has given them far far more than they deserve for far too long especially when you look at other people's who have been in much worse situations that unlike the Palestinians they have not brought on themselves" so true. I think these Arab "Palestinian's" have been used as pawn's by the Arab leaders and my their own leaders.
It's simple : Egypt takes Gaza, Jordan takes in the Arab Palestinians of Judea and Samaria - it is Israeli sovereign territory, and Israel cannot afford to lose any more territory. Since these two countries held these two areas respectively 1948-1967, the onus is on them to take in these people who are Arab and largely Muslim, like them.
My new hero 💛🇮🇱💛 thank you Einat for your brilliance. I have learned so much from you!!!!
The mighty power of brainwashing!
@bobbyd5167 you're so Righteous you don't even realize you're the one who's been brainwashed. I've actually done thousands of hours of research from unbiased sources. You look like a priveleged baby who lives on stolen land
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Clearly you're a result of it, lack education and full of hubris. Typical!
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Talking about yourself?
Thank you Einat
This is great information as I didnt know how the Palestinian Refugee organisation was set up etc
Do you now feel whole?
Brilliant. An amazing mind.
Brilliant analysis based on facts
Thank you very much for the very interesting talk. And to the presenter for good questions.❤
Thank you Einat ! So clear !
Why is UN backing all this mess.about UNWRA. It is not fair. A Very good explanation.about the facts of Palestinian.
Because the UN is corrupt to the core.
Count the votes in the UN owned by Islamic states.
Let's get this straight. Calling them 'refugees' is simply playing into the hands of Hamas. According to international humanitarian law, refugee status cannot be inherited. Nearly the so-called Gaza refugees are descendants of Palestinians who fled Israel after its invasion by five Arab states when it became independent on May 14, 1948, So, not 'refugees', as they were nearly all born and bred in the Gaza Strip. Like other Arab regimes, as a matter of policy, Hamas denies these bogus refugees citizen status for the following 3 reasons: 1) so that their upkeep can be delegated via UNWRA to you, as a tax-payer; 2) To be used as 'war crime' fodder the for world's gullible media and 3) as human shields.
You’re right. They should be called Nazis.
One hundred percent correct.
"Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reveals that approx. 1,468 UNRWA workers are active in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and 30 of them actively participated in the Oct. 7th massacre. He also published the identities of 12 of those workers, "
Very good lecturing.
Thank you for this very informative and helpful interview. Its a pity that the sound quality suffered with issues at times.
Einat Wilf has a very cogent overview, thanks for making it happen.
Very enlightening interview.
Perfect explanation!
What a brilliant analysis.
I love Einat.
She hits the nail on the head. UNWRA is now so rotten to the core that it must be dissolved.
I love the example of an American billionaire who is also a refugee. They inflate the numbers! They also inflate the numbers of people being killed in the current war.
Until Palestinians recognize the right of Israel to exist and choose to live alongside Israel in peace, there won't be peace.
She absolutely gives meaningful correct information .
So crisp and accurate. No fluff.
Imagine, instead of a self identity based on building anything good, a self identity based only on destruction.
This was quite worthwhile. Thank you. Enjoyed Ms Wolf.
She's great!
Very interesting and horrifying video. Thank you to Honest Critique. Shabash, good job. Thanks also to Einat Wilf. Kol HaKavod, respect.
Love this woman! May haShem bless and protect her and her family 🙏🏼
What role plays the Al-Aqsa mosk? The 7th of October was called the Al-Aqsa Flood…
Al-Aqsa is one of the holy places of the Muslims. They consider it to be a place their prophet Muhammad reached on a flying horse. Al-Aqsa is located in an area called the Temple Mount, along with other religious sites. Which is where it gets interesting. Temple Mount is the location of the first and second Jewish temples, making it a very holy place in Judaism. As part of various agreements over the years we ended up in a place where the Jewish people are allowed to pray only at the west boundary of it called the Western Wall (HaKotel HaMa'aravi). Even though the rest of the area is also holy to the Jews, they are not allowed to access some of it and even where they can still enter (for a limited time) they are not allowed to pray (Israeli police actually arrest people for it).
Lately, an extrema group decided that they will go there and pray there anyway, which wasn’t received well anywhere. But the bigger problem was that this time they were backed by someone from our government. These actions are against the law and though I understand why they did it they should be be prosecuted. As you can imagine, this was not received well by the Palestinian community (which I completely agree with on this point) and Hamas declared their operation like it was done to protect Al-Aqsa. Mind you, the proof we are finding all the time shows that the 7 October was planned long before, so a lot of us don’t really understand this concept. Not to mention that they did everything to communities that were very strong peace advocates. Personally I can’t seem to understand how attacking people indiscriminately (including babies, elders, Muslims, foreign nationals and a lot more) and in such an inhuman way can be justified as protecting a place that isn’t even there. So my personal take is that they were hoping to get the help of the rest of the Arab world by using the holy place name.
An interesting video with the Opinion of a journalist/blogger from Saudi-Arabia that talks a bit about this is:
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@@adigabai Your last point is good, Hamas attacked as the Arab Lion, but quickly learnt the Lion does not affiliate himself with the Hamas mouse.
@@adigabaiThanks for this helpful analysis.
@@adigabai Thanks, just to add to what you said: the Temple Mount is actually the holiest place in Judaism. The site - where Al-Aqsa and the nearby Dome of the Rock is now, thus Jerusalem itself - is only the third holiest site in Islam. Muslims actually have to face away from it when they pray in the direction of Mecca, which tells you something about its relative lack of significance to their faith. But because historically it was a place of Islamic conquest - the mosque literally build on the run-ins of a Christian church and a Jewish temple - acquired a great symbolic significance. And, the idea of a place conquered by Islam being re-taken is extremely threatening, because such a loss of power and control is humiliating to them. It happened in the part of Spain that used to be under Muslim rule, and it happened in the part of Palestine that became Israel. So for a long time they've used their continued domination of the Temple Mount as a focal point of radical Arabs, and do not tolerate the idea of Jewish or Christian people ever having equal access to it, or the freedom to pray there, as they see it as a desecration of "their" holy place. Or IMO, they are deeply offended by the idea of all three religious sharing it, because in the Islamist worldview, Islam is the supreme religion. What's interesting is that people of all faiths - Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and otherwise - are allowed to pray at the Western Wall (Kotel).
@@adigabai Correct ! Jerusalem, as its name suggests is a Jewish city, and has been since time immemorial. Arabs conquered from Arabia in the 7th century. When Muslims in Jerusalem turn to Mecca to pray, they turn their backs on the holy city of Jerusalem, thus proving that it was never a holy city for Muslims. Second, the term "al Aqsa" means the furthest place, which probably meant Jerusalem, since it was far from Mecca. The mosque, to add insult, was built at the site of the Mount of Olives, sacred to Judaism. It was also built some 60 years after Mohammed died, so he never even went there...
Well said!!! Baruch HaShem & Shalom Shalom Israel!!! 🙏🇮🇱🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱🙏
In 1962, during the Algerian war of independence, Jews who had French citizenship, moved to France and were resettled there. Some still live in France, a lot chose Israel, some North America. No one is moving back to Algeria even if Jews had previously lived in North Africa for centuries. Arabs have so much land and so many States, it should be easy to solve this conflict provided UNRWA is dismantled and Arab countries make the strategic wise decision that peace is more beneficial than constant war delusions.
Pakistan has expelled 1.7million afghani Moslem refugees . Where’s the outrage of their fellow Muslim people.
Jews have been refugees for thousands of years before the creation of Israel in 1948. Throughout the numerous occupations of the land of Israel and the surrounding countries Jews have had to flee and settle in other countries that have also persecuted them, causing generational diaspora and refugee crisis. You do not hear them complaining but you do hear a lot of voices of condemnation of the term anti semitic and reflection of the holocaust is also denied by many.
The denial of the right for Israel to exist in peace has been on going due to the constant conflict and aggression inflicted on them by Palestinians and surroundings Islamic countries.
Their right to exist is essential and their right to peace, dignity and freedom in the only democracy in the Middle East is imperative.
Bravo to Einat Wilf 🙏❤️
Very good and clear explanation....GBU lady...be strong...
Thank you!!!
Dear Einat: Invest in a really great microphone. Whatever you're speaking into does do justice to your voice.
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Intellectual Filkenzel should watch this..
Why was there no criticism of the establishment of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan ?
It is high time Palestinians get off their couches and work for a living. Enough of financial aid.
What is the validity of using the name when there is actually no Palestine nation or state and the only connection that has with the people in the West Bank and Gaza is that they were designated Palestinian Arabs by the League of Nations, using the word for the region.
If Palestinian applies to all people in a region, then every occupant of the state of Israel is a Palestinian whether Jew, Christian, Arab or Druze
Yes; I have problems forcing myself to use the word "Palestinian" without quotation marks. I try to at least call them "Palestinian Arabs", just to distinguish them from Israeli Arabs, because Palestinian alone is a completely fake and invented nationality. They really should have all just been given citizenship in either Jordan or Egypt during those two countries' occupations of the West Bank and Gaza, and those places should have been annexed. Maybe it would have happened eventually, if it hadn't been for the Six Day War. I think a lot of things would be very different now, if it hadn't been for that war, but we can't go back and change history.
It appears that the Hamas thought the same way as the lsrealies on October the 7th: lt is better to stand and fight in Gaza than to stand and fight in Isreal.
How about the Palestinians go and live in South Africa.
It is not the problem of where they live. They just want Israel does not have a state. That's all!
Many PA are living in UK/US/Australia and other European countries. That does not make any different. They already went to the street protest "from the river to the sea..." just after Okto7.
Why ?
@@paulamarsh1 SA see PA as black, Israel as white🤣
Why not? Do you want them to live in a "concentration camp"?@@paulamarsh1
How about the Israelis go live in Germany and Brooklyn and Miami? We are from there, they are from Europe
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We should let them all come to London, they'd feel at home.
Answer is very simple disband United Nations and defund UNRWA.
The origins of Palestinian Terrorism
murder.
Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He openly argued that “neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat.” Rather, terrorism had “a great part to play… in our war against the occupier [Britain].” Nor did Shamir express regrets about his terrorist past, telling an interviewer in 1998 that “had I not acted as I did, it is doubtful that we would have been able to create an independent Jewish state of our own.”
So?
I have better use for my taxes than support to UNRWA
I find this very confusing
How come palestiniand who hold palestin passports are refugees in their own state???
It's because the status of "refugee" in their case is passed on from parent to child. They are the only "refugees" in the world who can acquire refugee status that way.
Please sort out your microphone and sound. Difficult to listen.
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Most terrible sound every time a set of facts are given by Einat
12:00 to 12:40 MUCH DISTORTION. Can you fix this video? We're missing some of the best and most necessary parts.
In 1988 PLO recognised the Israeli state and accepted Israel's sovereignty over 78% of historical Palestine.
While he did send a letter to our government saying he is willing to accept which led to the Oslo accords.
On the day of the signing of the Oslo Accords (September 13, 1993), in a pre-recorded speech broadcast on Jordanian television, Arafat informed the Palestinian people that the "Declaration of Principles" was only part of the implementation of the PLO's "phased strategy". In public speeches, Arafat compared the Oslo Accords to the Khudibayya Agreement several times ( in Johannesburg in 1994 and in Cairo in 1995), as well as in a speech in Stockholm in 1996, he told the ambassadors of the Arab countries: "[We plan] to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a pure Palestinian state. We will tire the life out of the Jews with psychological warfare and population explosion. Jews will not want to live among us, the Arabs."
@@adigabai and he was actually an Egyptian and was trained by the KGB in Egypt in the 1960’s …forged passport/birth certificate and the idea of a Palestinian People and the PLO were formulated there.
@@adigabai Such lovely people. Who wouldn't want them?
@@CatouMilou Once they will let go of the hate I'm sure we can reach peace. Right now there is just too much hate :(
So why are "pro-Palestinian" people all over the world still screaming, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"? Why do so many of them openly refer to all of the former British Mandate Palestine, Israel included, as "occupied", and refer to Israelis living there as "illegal settlers"?
Einat is great. Until she starts waxing poetic about her Labor roots...still an ashkenazi elitest.
How much is it that Palestinians refused to settle and how much is it that they weren't permitted to settle. It seems to me that both are true.
If you're talking about the Middle East, it is both. Of course, one must keep in mind that refugees who engage in paramilitary and revolutionary operations within their host countries are not likely to be welcomed in as citizens. Numerous Palestinians were ejected from neighboring nations for those reasons. Even Jordan, which used to accept West Bank Palestinians as citizens, has revoked the citizenship of many in the past 20 years or so, claiming they are the responsibility of the PA.
Of course, there are Palestinians who have full citizenship in Europe and North America, so it's not as though obtaining citizenship elsewhere is impossible; it's just not easy. But, of course, finding homes in new countries for refugees never is. It would, however, have been much, much easier to resettle the Palestinians 50-75 years ago. Sadly, a combination of factors will likely keep them "refugees" for many years to come.
both from the same religious roots, refusal from religious zeal and prevention by other zealots making them stay. Nothing to do with Israel or the League of Nations.
This whole appalling presentation ignores the history of the establishment of the state of Israel in Palestine. Making Palestinians refugees in their own homeland.
Many Palestinians are stuck in refugee camps. Overcrowded, stateless and discriminated against. UNRWA provides essential humanitarian aid in a catastrophic situation. US Presidents and Secretaries of State have confirmed that Israel is the obstruction to peace by building settlements in the West Bank. Both Israel and Palestinian are responsible for there not being a Palestinian state.
They were given a rich and promising future when Israel TOTALLY ABANDONED Gaza, forcing all Jews to leave and even the graves, even though Gaza has had Jewish communities since ancient times. They left greenhouses and housing which Hamas destroyed wanting nothing left from the Jews. They left a gorgeous prime Mediterranean coastline which could have been high class hotels and tourism. And the Muslims got to vote. They voted for Hamas. They continued to support Hamas till now! Just read the Hamas charter if you want to know how Hamas felt about being neighbors with the Jews.
@NFFC, nobody is saying the Palestinians should not have their own place, but like she said, who want to remain a refugee for the rest of their life? Those who relocated to Europe to seek asylum over there, do they remain asylum seeker for the rest of their lives? They are absorbed into society within a period of time and not that all the generations after that will remain asylum seekers, so UNWRA has failed in its work and let the UNCHR take over rather than creating a separate agency for the Palestinians separate from the general one
Incorrect; they keep themselves in ghettos and in beliefs not of this century
you sound like a propaganda bot
Sorry, but those are nonsensical talking points; they're not "stuck" anywhere, and those so-called "camps" are established brick-and-mortar towns and cities, with apartment complexes, houses, schools, parks, banks, businesses, shopping centres, hospitals, universities, sports complexes, museums, theatres, galleries, and their own governments. The settlements in the West Bank are a non-issue; the Area they're in, Area C, is Israeli territory according to the Oslo Peace Accords and Israeli is entitled to build whatever it likes there. Israeli settlements are absolutely forbidden in Areas A (the PA-governed area, i.e. most of it) and B. Unauthorized ones are swiftly shut down and dismantled by the IDF, and the illegal settlers can be arrested. There are over 300,000 Israelis living in Area C now; most of those settlements have been there since the 1970s, and they aren't going anywhere. Their existence has nothing to do with there not being a Palestinians state; there isn't a Palestinian state because the Arabs done want one. They've turned down the offer of a state six times.
Drivel
I wonder if you see the parallel between the never ending tragedy in Israel-Palestine because of zionist political exclusiveness, and where a very similar logic of Hindutva is taking India and the subcontinent towards.
Just like Islamic nations claim supremacy of their lands and their laws the hypocrisy stinks
ignorance of the presence of Jews, Arabs, Druze and Christians living as citizens in the state of Israel is no excuse for using Zionism as a dirty word.
Making the land on which Mt Zion lies a place to return to from exile and refuge imposed by force and hatred is of no offence or injustice to any other person.
Sorry honey you’re entirely wrong. Your understanding of the history is an ideological fallacy.
ignorant sexist
Stop disturbing history.
Prof.Nurit Peled Elhanan amazing book.Racist Israeli school book.
Interesting my school didn't have a single book from her. We do have lots of school book so it is possible I wasn't aware of one. Can you please direct me to the book you are referring to? She wrote several books.
Did you know that in a way, she actually expressed sympathy to the Palestinians and their "attack". And Israel being a liberal democracy she wasn't fired over it. The Israeli citizens however didn't appreciate her stance and felt betrayed (considering the huge brutal massacre that happened, I wonder why...) and she quit her job at the college she was teaching at. So if you are trying to imply that we are taught to hate the Palestinians its not based on reality. Quite the opposite, just look at the UNRwa school books (aimed at little childrens)
The attitude of this woman is inhumane and sicking!
She is very factual; opening peoples eyes to the truth
Not a balanced view, selective use of the facts.
Please elaborate, Which facts are you missing?
More balanced than the Pro Palestinian view
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did israel ever allow them to improve. land locked by Israel.
Yes we did.
People like referring to Gaza as occupation / open air prison because of the blockade. But if you look at the blockade closely...
Its important to note that the so called blockade started after Hamas took power. Since around 2005, Israel treated the border of Gaza as an international border. Like any international border there was a checkpoint that people need to go through. After Hamas rose to power Israel increased the security around that border.
While Gazans weren’t allowed to come and settle in Israel, they were not entirely blocked from entering. Gazans that had no affiliation to terrorism were allowed to leave Gaza and enter Israel, and of course also to return. Do you know of any country that will allow a known terrorists to enter?
In addition to the border with Israel, Gaza has a border with Egypt. Part of the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt is that Egypt will not let known terrorists to enter or leave. Note that this doesn’t mean to forbid everyone.
Some Gazans even got a permit to work inside Israel which allowed them to earn more money than they would in Gaza. Some of them even came to Israel for medical treatments. While they aren’t allowed to immigrate and settle in Israel, under certain conditions they are granted Asylum (For example: LGBT).
Like any goods that pass through border control, they pass through inspection. Israel doesn’t allow goods that can be used for terror attacks against its citizens to pass through the border. Sadly, Hamas has a proven track record of taking goods that are meant for the populace and using them for terror. Like the concrete that was supposed to go to reconstruction and was instead used to build the tunnels.
As for the water and electricity. Israel provides %8~%12 of the water supply that goes into Gaza and about %50 of the electricity. Israel btw is under no legal obligation to supply this to Gaza. The agreement for supplying the water and electricity was made as a temporary measure to provide Gaza time to build up its own infrastructure since Israel fully and unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. (Isn’t it a bit weird that after all this time and international aid that Gaza received Israel is still providing it?)
Once the water and electricity from Israel reaches Gaza, Israel has no control over it. So when Hamas bombs the infrastructure providing it, the rest of Gaza is in a bit of a problem. Weird fact: after the war started, the IDF repaired water pipes that were destroyed by Hamas.
Hamas (their government) btw said that since 70% of the people in Gaza are "refugees". The UN should take care of them and not Hamas.
Everything mentioned in this comment is easy to verify, so instead of repeating slogans someone told you, check it out for yourself. Gaza is not an open-air prison, nor was it under occupation since 2005.
@@adigabai : Very well said... 🙏
Also, when Israel pulled out of Gaza on 2005, they left behind advanced technology greenhouses that were already generating millions of dollars of income. It was promptly destroyed by the locals
What do you mean "land-locked"? Gaza has a long coastline. The blockades imposed on it were the result of its elected government, Hamas, going to war against Israel and constantly firing rockets at it and often hitting civilian areas. The essentials of life, like food, fuel, medical supplies and equipment, and building materials, were not affected by the blockades, and they still had generous UNRWA funding, so they'd had plenty of opportunity to improve their society if they'd wanted to.
A Knesset member is hardly objective. Historical and political analysis without self critique is worthless. As Jewish historian Henry Abramson pointed out in his excellent videos, Benny Morris and Rashid Khalidi showed you can be self critical and partisan. The refugees have nowhere to go. The Palestinians asked for a democratic vote on the future of their own country in 1948. Under UN Law as the majority in this country they were entitled to this. In India the people were both indigenous, many of the Israeli settlers were not indigenous. The PLO did accept the existence of the Israeli state, Israel prevented the possibility of this by settlements in the West Bank. Isarael wanted all of historical Palestine, Greater Israel. Israel educates its children in the very same partisan way.
History involves facts and myths. If you want to do the research you will find that you have drunk the kool-aid. There was no Muslim Palestinian people before the 1970s, the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza are not refugees by any definition. They could have built a paradise in Gaza with the BILLIONS of dollars given to them by the western nations (not the Arab nations. I could go on but there are many books you could read. I doubt you will.
In order to be classified as a refugee, you need to be displaced beyond the nation boarders in which you reside. Palestinians were displaced to other parts of mandatory Palestine. They are the only people in the history of the world who never left the boundaries in which they reside but are considered refugees.
“They have no where to go” you say. They don’t need to go anywhere, they were born, raised and live in Palestine!
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Greater Palestine was Jordan, Lebanon and Southern Syria. That's what the Arab Palestinians refused in 1948. When you refuse to compromise, wanting all or nothing, you usually end up with..nothing...