@@Angel-fz8drexactly, or until insurance companies decide not to insure certain vehicles or make it a requirement for the vehicles to be insured. Then its game over
If OBD3 ends up being used to increase insurance rates further across the entire industry, I will never buy a new car again. Even if I won the lottery.
Many states don't allow the use of telemetric data for insurance rate adjustment (example being Massachusetts). This is purely an issue of states having to adopt privacy legislation. Cars already log how you drive, it's part of the SRS module in your vehicle, it's how your airbag system works; They also all tend to log and report back data on how the vehicle runs, it's part of the telematics transceivers, it's how your phone remote start or car locator works. It just currently only matters in criminal cases where people are being charged with serious crimes.
the problem is people dont understand what the right to repair movement means, most people dont even know what kind of car they are driving. id say the 80s and 90s was the end of "americas love affair with the automobile" young men now are more worried about their snapchat notifications.
More like, fight for them to stop hyper regulaing our cars. When the manufacturers themselves are like "hol' up" you'd think that would send the message, but no. Our government seriously needs to held held at theoretical gunpoint to stop dictating.
@@drewdevon2009Same. I heard a guy say his inline four had a nice "pur" to it on his sedan. It's a "get around town car". People think a V6 is big now, guys driving trucks that used to be coal roalers now don't understand the appeal of a V8 or a turbodiesel, their turboed I4 is "fine". I have to say, though, it's not like manufacturers have made it easy (or even necessary) for the average person to service their own vehicle. And the onboard assistance driving that people utilize is (to me) shocking. Driving isn't something they enjoy, or take skill in.
It never ceases to amaze me how you can break down, complicated and otherwise boring topics into fascinating and mind blowing starting points for the average user. Even if they are not gear heads. I missed this series!
@@337speedMay I ask why you haven't hired an editor yet? Wouldn't it be more efficient for you to focus on writing because you're clearly excellent at breaking things down and explaining stuff.
I knew all this and have been rallying against the selling data portion for years now. You sir have done it more articulately and succinctly than I could have imagined. Subscribed. Sidenote, it’s the same reason all my cars are roughly 20+ years old
@@waterlover in affect yes, but the standard needs to be "adjusted" so the data collected with it will be limited. The car can collect data about my driving habits to optimize how it works (example BMW cars have adaptions on transmissions). But the car should not collect data about driving habits and send it to 3rd party, that is my personal data and they have no rights for it.
@@Jyrgen. Yeah I think that'll be the part that gets regulated. Cause we'll like to have a way to not make key's on the fly, but getting fined or premiumed over "aggressive driving" is a bit of a overreach. That and bad 3rd party actors.
Los Angeles has had pollution problems for decades. It is surrounded by three mountain ranges which trap the polluted air in. It was not only automobiles , which used leaded gasoliñe, but also industrial pollution that forced LA to close factories on several occasions.
People are already refusing buying new cars. Most nobody wants to pay $100k+ on an overly complicated and unreliable P.O.S that makes diagnosing or accessing something like launching a NASA rocket. Now we have to deal with that PLUS getting fined thousands of dollars and higher insurance?! Get ready to see A LOT of car companies that have been around for the last century go bankrupt almost overnight.
@byronbuck1762 privacy is a right. Information gathered by your private properties is your private property, and if insurance companies and law enforcement want that information, they should require a warrant just like anything else when it involves your property
@ only for within your home. Further, you waive any such rights when signing for a license and buying insurance. This is a good thing, supports public safety and keeps safe drivers from subsidizing reckless ones.
@byronbuck1762 which also includes private property, which also includes your car andYour phone... unless you are involved in a accident and/or got pulled over and or involved in some kind of investigation. Your information is your property period that includes your car in your phone information gathered by your car and your phone. There should be a warrant to acquire your private data. That was created by your private property
Restrictions like those in the video for “OBD III” would only increase the demand for backdoors and get arounds. There will always be those who will break the law to make a profit. Who knows, OBD III could be just a breakable as the r35 ecu when Nissan said it was uncrackable
Nissan saying their highest performance car's ECU is uncrackable is like a challenge, I can't believe anyone that said that publicly genuinely believed what they said.
Crazy that this is absolutely possible. And I don't think enough people will care enough for it not to happen. Maybe next they can mail me a speeding ticket when the gps sees me driving 55 in a 50.
I believe cali already, or is about too, pass a law for this exact reason. Not to mention many places are testing road tax by monitoring your vehicles mileage which would give them access to all the other info as well.
Also, with that lawsuit against General Motors. Apparently, your vehicle camera 📷 is on while you are driving! Taking notes on how you are driving and if you are slowing down around construction sites. All of this information going back to your insurance company so they can determine how much of a risk you are. I believe one insurance company already has a device that you can plug into your obdii connection, so you can volunteerily give up that information.
I have my gps transmitter antenna under the shark fin looking thing on the roof wrapped in heavy aluminum foil and it blocks all transmissions from it.. No onstar and no navigation, I just use my phone if I need a navigation system.. I don't want Onstar or anyone tracking me or seeing my speeds..
@@crw3673 "I believe one insurance company already has a device that you can plug into your obdii connection, so you can volunteerily give up that information." Progressive has this device. It for their Snapshot rewards system, but their mobile app does the same thing as well.
I can't give this one enough thumbs up, not because of Cali, but because it's so informative. I might have said this before, but you never fail to deliver a new favorite episode Jay!
Bro great educational video as always! But these obdII port are next level intrusive! Had a coworker go to jail based on information received from the obdII port! Same way a mechanic can receive information, law enforcement is using information on very bad accidents. I work for a utility company that has cameras in all of their vehicles. The camera is also plugged into the OBDII port. When you stop or maneuver abruptly the camera is trigger to take a 16 second snap shot of your driving. 10 seconds prior to going off and 6 seconds after the incident. The point I'm making is the information the camera and it's system gets from the OBDII, tells my supervisor with telemetry, how fast I was going, how hard I was accelerating, how much I was applying the brake, if I was wearing my seat belt, did I use my indicator, were my headlights on! In a nut shell, what ever the OBDII see can and will be used against you! All these new electric smart cars 🚗 that can drive by themselves, will all start returning to the dealership or leasing companies when money 💰 is owed! I can see law enforcement using technology to shut down cars in the near future, specially EV and highly computerize cars! Mark my words!🤔
@@HaloDude557 with my co-worker, he was there in the car at the accident. At my job, there is a camera pointing at the driver and out the windshield, same as your smartphone. With one camera in the back and one in front! Both are on simultaneously to record what is going on an on the road. And how you are reacting to what is going on! The camera 📷 is attached right beneath the center rear view mirror. A lot of companies with fleet vehicles use this monitoring company to keep tabs on how employees are driving their vehicles. Next time you see a UPS, FedEx, garbage truck, firetruck, or ambulance, look at the windshield and see if there isn't a little black box with a camera lense looking out the windshield. Like I said, this device is not just a camera, but a monitor system that attaches to the OBDII port. Let you get into accident and the car computer will let them know how fast you were going and when or if you applied the brakes. How hard you applied the brakes and for how long. I'm not exaggerating nothing I haven't gone through with my supervisor and delegate sitting next to me. Watching a video of a incident that happened at work. The video matches up to the telemetry of the vehicle. Let the government push these EVs/smart cars on us and they will know your every move while driving.
This is a great video on the "how" of emissions control in California and the impacts to cars. But it leaves out the why... California being the most populous state in the US and Los Angeles in particular being a hub of Automotive design and innovation. Led to LA being the first big metropolitan area to be built around cars as the main form of transportation and the smog was terrible in LA in the 60s. Just check out some of the pictures of smog in LA at that time. LA still has smog, but it's still substantially reduced despite there being even more cars that there were in the 60s.
It has more to do with the capture of California by liberal politicians in the 1990s and the US pivoting to a heavily-Southwestern influenced political apparatus by the 1980s or so. These types of initiatives are primarily political and ideological, not market driven. "Free" companies (companies not in-bed with government regulation and regulatory bodies) would be outselling this stuff if they were allowed to do so. It wouldn't be making it into vehicles, I'd still be able to buy a hunk of steel powered by a carborated V8 pushing 500 horsepower with the space of an apartment inside its cabin.
I do agree, but i think the major flaw in the system is being car focused. I live in the south bay area, on top of car pollution we also get toxic arsenic dust from oil refining operations and pollution from crude oil burning cargo ships, as well as even more pollution from leaded AVGAS. Anti car rules also steadily killed off the SoCal car scene, leading to many newer car enthusiasts to go underground with their vehicles, also leading to an increase in street racing and other illegal activities. I don't disagree with the emissions rules but as it stands right now, its too difficult to be in compliance, and that compliance doesn't cover enough areas of pollution.
I grew up in in LA in the 70s. The air quality SUCKED. You could see the brown haze just in the distance across the playground. It hurt to breathe and if you breathed deeply, you started to cough. During recess, they would keep the kids indoors on bad days. A regular part of the nightly news was a smog forecast. Now these things don’t happen at all and the benefits of all those pollution regulations is super clear.
How about two stroke leaf blowers?? When did everyone become so lazy that a rake, broom and dustpan become obsolete?? Instead we blow terrible particles into our neighbors yard. The neighbor returns the favor a week later. And the leaf blower emits more pollution than a fleet of semi trucks.
หลายเดือนก่อน +6
The best explanation of OBD-II I've heard! I absolutely _hate_ this crap, and all the other unnecessary electronic bloat that keeps jacking up the cost and complexity of vehicles, as well as dreaded trips back to the dealer. I recently had to renew my registration, which required a smog test, which I couldn't get because my "check engine" light was on. It turned out that rodents had crawled up into an inaccessible area of the engine and chewed up the wiring going to the knock sensors. It cost me $3,000 and two trips to the dealer to get it fixed, but that's not the end of it... I _still_ couldn't get it smogged because the computer has to check every system before it will give a smog station its blessings to go ahead with the smog test. I don't drive that often, but I've had to drive around aimlessly through almost two tankfuls of gas and over 200 miles, and the ECU _still_ hasn't said I can get the smog test yet. What a system! The next car or truck I get will be an older pre-OBD model with a small block V8, a carburetor, and simple ignition coil and distributor. BTW, has anybody priced older cars recently? I should have kept a few that I probably only paid $1,000 for at the time, because they've appreciated more than my house... and that's a lot!
if OBD 3 comes out and is really the big brother tattle tale this makes it out to be, the seeds of dystopia are planted. also I predict standalone ECUs will become normal mods.
I mean...good on you for being wary, but big brother been farming out data since the 90s and went into overdrive after 9/11. Facebook literally keeps tabs on everyone at any moment at any time. Same goes for most social media. The government and the private sector knows more about you than your own family does. But fight the good fight I guess.
That my issue! Most of the younger generation is raving about all this new technology. But I'm steadily seeing how it is biting us in the ass now and possibly in the future. 🤔
Fantastic video. We've recently gotten some new apprentices mechanics and this is a perfect video to help them understand how and what a obd2 port is for 👍
Bought a used 09 avalanche bout to do a ls3 swap. New ecus are locked down and cost $1400 to tune via HP tuners vs an 09 at $400. Hindsight I should have purchased an older truck that doesn’t require smog.
They want to ban assault style exhausts but won’t get rid of assault style criminals, fine. Everybody should just stay away from that assault style state 😂
The United States needs to stop letting California dictate how the rest of the country is run. Colorado adopted California’s strict emissions standards a few years ago and now drivers are faced with significant increases in vehicle maintenance costs of emissions equipment on their vehicles. We have a Jeep Liberty KK that was not built for sale in California and only meets Federal emissions standards and is in need of new catalytic converters. The cost to replace the failed catalytic converters with ones meeting Federal standards is less than $500. Since I do most repairs and all maintenance myself I can replace both cats for less than $100 if I go cheap. But because of the new CARB regulations here in Colorado I have to replace them with CARB compliant or OEM replacements which cost a minimum of $1600 for approved universal replacements and up to $4600 for OEM replacements. I can understand requiring CARB compliant replacements if that’s what originally came on the vehicle but our Jeep came with Federal EPA compliant equipment and wasn’t built for California standards and should just have to meet those standards. Any car in Colorado that requires new catalytic converters must have them replaced with CARB compliant replacements no matter what. It’s against the law to even ship non compliant cats to Colorado or for repair shops to install them. It’s a perfect example of government overreach.
Blame your state governor. Not California. Just because California does something or passes a law that a lot of Californians don't even like, doesn't mean Colorado has to. Or any state by that means. Try to get a bill passed to make changes.
True. Once I saw a pic of a supposed fine ticket because the car had an aftermarket ECU installed. However, law enforcement people usually don't have the technical expertise to tell those things apart.
No matter what OBD-II has made EFI diagnostics much faster. When I learned EFI diagnostics at Motorcycle Mechanic's Institute in 1990 we used wiring diagrams, analog multi-meters, and other assorted equipment to test each sensor in Mikuni, Keihin and Bing EFI systems. I am grateful that I got learn that way because it gave me a better understanding the EFI systems in the 1st gen Busa and many other motorcycles over the course of my career as a tech. No matter what, I will not drive any vehicle that can produce a U (network) code because of the risk to my insurance rates.
So ob3 is car reprogramming robbery safe? If so okay but it is scary to just get emailed that something is wrong with my car and get fined for something i didnt even know about
You kinda missed the point. They don't care if anything is wrong. They are only concerned about getting total control of your car. That's why in just 2-3 years, ALL manual transmissions will be removed from production cars. It's the only thing stopping them. The automatic will allow them to override everything and use autopilot controls to steal it back. You missed an alimony payment? Your car starts up remotely and drives itself to the car impound lot. If you owe a $15 parking ticket, your car won't start until you pay it and you can't even drive to the DMV to pay it yourself. The car is where totalitarian governments will begin flexing their muscles. And who will they start with? With Tesla. They know about the autopilot software and will use what they learned from Tesla to implement a new system of government brutality never seen before. That's one reason I refuse to buy their cars or even support their stock. And yes, my car has that third pedal that the gov't fucking hates.
This is the perfect car channel for an engineer like me. Great cross section. Technical. Story telling. Aesthetics. Music. Every episode pulls me in. So purposely put together. Thank you for your work.
It is weird that the auto industry has found that they can push new car sales up by threatening to make future cars so undesireable that you just have to buy one today.
I’m studying mechanical engineering and it is so fascinating how the electronics of this come together to allow mechanical engineers to communicate system issues to consumers to avoid catastrophic consequences. I’m not interested in the electrical side of systems so it’s awesome this is so relevant even today, especially in the car tuning scene
bro I loved hearing my entire engineering lecture on ICE Emissions both PTSD and jealousy for kids studying today so much info made so accessible CRAZY. God bless ad sense
My entire life (late Millenial), cars have consistently gotten more expensive, less repairable, and are now becoming tracking devices. The only genuine improvements are small conveniences like backup cameras, power windows, and better fuel economy.
the back door in all new car is through wifi, all you have to do is a "software update" they just made it even easier for people to hack literally anything in their cars now
Great great video. It still blows my mind how this channel doesnt have 1M+ subs. Some of the BEST automotive content out there. Interesting, entertaining and so easily digestible. Well done, guys.
Click bait title for an informative video. The history should start with the founding of CARB in 1967, not the clean air act in 1970 since even in your video, you state that it was CARB that required the OBD-II port to be installed in cars for emissions testing.
11:00 some cars do leave some preformance on the table in the name of fuel efficiency, a notable example is the vw 07k in the golf and jetta can get like 30+ horsepower from just a tune
In 1980, I put a SBC into my Dad's '76 Chevy Luv pick-up. The only smog device I installed was a PCV and the truck ran cleaner than the original 4 cylinder.
I live in California and its a nightmare to find a smog station that smogs pre OBD2 cars. There needs to be bill that doesn't require cars and trucks to be smog that are 1996 and older pre OBD2 but that wil never happen because Comnifornia is greedy asf
As a smog technician I agree. These cars are getting harder to find parts if smog fails. And since almost everyone in California has EV there’s not much need for strict emissions. Also destroy Taylor’s swift jet
Wow. I'm a tech, have been for 20 years. Of all the big manufacturers I've worked for and had specific training for. This is the most complete and easy to understand video I've seen. Hands up for 335 speed. Nice work bro
You should do a video about how SRT Hellcats are being stolen in record numbers because of these stupid ghetto "takeover" events. It's the most annoying trend of 2024. Love the channel! Keep on making great content. ✌
I used to be a warranty engineer for a well-known off highway equipment manufacturer. We LOVED modern equipment because when an engine or turbo was sent back to us as an emissions warranty failure (which never age out) we could look up it's ECU, error codes and operating parameters and figure out real easy whether it had been abused, reflashed, chipped or neglected and deny the claim. This was in farm tractors and backhoes...a decade ago...
SF CA HATES CARS !!!!!!!!!!! They take Important streets and take a lane for bicycles etc They do what Ever they can to make owning & driving a car a Horroial experience
USA has mandated car dependency since the end of WWII. This mandated car dependency has destroyed communities, and made everything more expensive for everyone. This mandated car dependency has also made driving worse for car enthusiasts because there are so many people driving because it’s the only option available to them. Traffic, bad roads,higher taxes, more police, etc. If we stop forcing people to drive, driving will be better for those who want to drive
@@leftoverbaconThis whole "the US needs better public transport" is horseshit. The US is a big country. It was not built around the automobile, it spanned the length of a continent before the automobile was even invented. Before private ownership of the car, there was private ownership of the horse, rather unique to America because of its wealth and prosperity. US cities were sprawling before the automobile, laid out in grids and designed to be modern, not cloistered places where people were on top of each other like elsewhere in the world. The interstate highway system was only built for Military purposes of funnelling troops around in the event of a Soviet invasion in the Cold War. The American was born to have either horse reigns or a steering wheel in his hands, it's not some conspiracy that he doesn't want to live in a city that's turned into a shithole or get packed onto public transit where confronting a drugged out freak threatening to kill people can land him in a precarious legal battle for 2+ years. He wants to be alone and drive and breathe freely. And so he loves the car.
Up to a point... all the sensing programing and computing and ability to trim fuel mixtures timing and all sorts of things is what created the insane power levels we are now enjoying as pointed out. The American OEMs dragged their feet and fought fuel injection in and catalytic converters in the 70's and 80s while trying to cling to carburertion and vacuum widgets- it was dumb. in any case, I'm not doing OB3.
Tuners were going to tune regardless of OBD2. It just made tuning a lot easier. The stupid thing is, if the government _really_ cared about disincentivizing high emissions, they wouldn't try so hard to make fuel cheap and abundant.
That was best OBD II explanation I've ever seen. California didn't actually ruin cars though, they forced manufacturers to update and design better engines. I was a motorcycle mechanic and saw motorcycle technology being adapted for automotive. Honda and Yamaha used bikes to test 'new' technologies in large volume production before moving it to automotive. Honda could already beat proposed legislation in 1970's while Detroit told US government it would take at least 10 years. Due to US consumers and techs being 'afraid' of anything new, i took US manufacturers decades to 'catch up' even though the various technologies were already in use in Europe
Honda's history is that of a startup. There were eager to try new things, that's how they got the jump on new emissions tech that you mentioned. In fact, key people at Honda really loved the United States and felt like they didn't belong in the Japanese automotive world, which was dominated by Nissan and Toyota, at the time. Its funny to me when people mention Honda in contrast to Detroit, when in reality, so many people at Honda loved the freedom that American culture represented--it is exactly the reason in fact why Honda often has research sharing with General Motors, for example. Source: I'm a former Honda employee and I also (separate capacity) lived in Japan as well. Everything you wrote about the motorcycles was true, btw.
@@stevens1041 Cool, I only really know about motorcycles, knowledge of cars somewhat limited as I had little interest in them until I really needed one to transport stuff .
OBD 3 snitching on my driving? Yeah, I'll keep driving my 90s shitboxes for the rest of eternity
Lol
nah, 3rd party haltech ecu lol
Golf Mk1 here... I can usually fix it with a hammer:}
until they are no longer legal. and we are almost there
@@Angel-fz8drexactly, or until insurance companies decide not to insure certain vehicles or make it a requirement for the vehicles to be insured. Then its game over
bro remembered his password
😂
Fr
Passive income hits different.
@@NoAudibles facts
Man need sticky notes on his laptop 😂
If OBD3 ends up being used to increase insurance rates further across the entire industry, I will never buy a new car again. Even if I won the lottery.
If you won the loterry will you lobby to get rid og obd3 for all od us? instead of buying a koenegsegg
I already don't buy new cars. Newest vehicle I own is a 2014 and I daily an 2001!
@@4BillC the right way to do it!!!! im so glad we live in the goldilocks zone where cars from the early 2010s are still new-ish but are cheap
@@1985_Honda_CRX_Si stock up
Many states don't allow the use of telemetric data for insurance rate adjustment (example being Massachusetts). This is purely an issue of states having to adopt privacy legislation.
Cars already log how you drive, it's part of the SRS module in your vehicle, it's how your airbag system works; They also all tend to log and report back data on how the vehicle runs, it's part of the telematics transceivers, it's how your phone remote start or car locator works.
It just currently only matters in criminal cases where people are being charged with serious crimes.
This is when it becomes so relevant to fight for the right to repair, privacy and safety.
the problem is people dont understand what the right to repair movement means, most people dont even know what kind of car they are driving. id say the 80s and 90s was the end of "americas love affair with the automobile" young men now are more worried about their snapchat notifications.
More like, fight for them to stop hyper regulaing our cars.
When the manufacturers themselves are like "hol' up" you'd think that would send the message, but no.
Our government seriously needs to held held at theoretical gunpoint to stop dictating.
@@drewdevon2009the car scene is alive and well. Some of it has become toxic though from the street takeover crowd
@@3644Darrell i dont see it. i work at a shop and kids dont even know what engine is in their cars
@@drewdevon2009Same. I heard a guy say his inline four had a nice "pur" to it on his sedan. It's a "get around town car". People think a V6 is big now, guys driving trucks that used to be coal roalers now don't understand the appeal of a V8 or a turbodiesel, their turboed I4 is "fine".
I have to say, though, it's not like manufacturers have made it easy (or even necessary) for the average person to service their own vehicle. And the onboard assistance driving that people utilize is (to me) shocking. Driving isn't something they enjoy, or take skill in.
It never ceases to amaze me how you can break down, complicated and otherwise boring topics into fascinating and mind blowing starting points for the average user. Even if they are not gear heads. I missed this series!
Fr
I'm sure its not hard..u are a chick
Hear me out, AUTISM 😂
@@pumarolzw
He uses the wiki page and then
Makes it his own. Great job regardless
bro's editor must be getting paid in gold bars for such bomb editing!!!!
It’s all me, that’s why these videos take so damn long🤣
@@337speedfr
One man team huh
@@337speedMay I ask why you haven't hired an editor yet? Wouldn't it be more efficient for you to focus on writing because you're clearly excellent at breaking things down and explaining stuff.
Ai isn't hard..just type what u want your videos to be and boom a video
I knew all this and have been rallying against the selling data portion for years now. You sir have done it more articulately and succinctly than I could have imagined. Subscribed. Sidenote, it’s the same reason all my cars are roughly 20+ years old
@@MasterDebator-l7u fr
When I heard OBD III I thought it was going to be a basic improvement like USB-C but holy crap I hope it never goes into effect.
It’s already in effect
@@waterlover in affect yes, but the standard needs to be "adjusted" so the data collected with it will be limited. The car can collect data about my driving habits to optimize how it works (example BMW cars have adaptions on transmissions). But the car should not collect data about driving habits and send it to 3rd party, that is my personal data and they have no rights for it.
@@Jyrgen. Yeah I think that'll be the part that gets regulated. Cause we'll like to have a way to not make key's on the fly, but getting fined or premiumed over "aggressive driving" is a bit of a overreach. That and bad 3rd party actors.
Kinda like how some insurance companies send you that little tracker claiming it’s going to “save you money”… naw, I’m good.
@@Unseen_rouge It’ll happen. Trust me. Any way for government or big business to siphon more money from the public is sure to be green lighted.
Los Angeles has had pollution problems for decades. It is surrounded by three mountain ranges which trap the polluted air in. It was not only automobiles , which used leaded gasoliñe, but also industrial pollution that forced LA to close factories on several occasions.
Los Angeles also had a massive public transportation system that was ripped out so they could sell more oil and tires
People today do not understand how hazy the Los Angeles Valley used to look like when you see older videos. 🙈
One of my teachers studied in LA. He used a bicycle to go to the university and said that the air was unbreathable.
And the emissions controls for industry and autos have dramatically reduced air pollution and air quality alert days
Not just LA. San Diego, the Bay Area, the Central Valley ...
If that obd3 becomes widespread in newer vehicles i can see a serious collapse in the market as people just refuse to buy new vehicles
commiefornia is already trying to ban classics
@matthewthaemert3282 sadly that doesn't suprise me ( also commiefornia 😂 🤣 )
People are already refusing buying new cars. Most nobody wants to pay $100k+ on an overly complicated and unreliable P.O.S that makes diagnosing or accessing something like launching a NASA rocket. Now we have to deal with that PLUS getting fined thousands of dollars and higher insurance?! Get ready to see A LOT of car companies that have been around for the last century go bankrupt almost overnight.
Fr
@@matthewthaemert3282there's absolutely zero basis for that statement. nobody's trying to ban classic cars.
OBD3 has to be a violation of rights
@@cowboi9042 You have no privacy rights when it comes to data collected and shared by cars.
Dumb eh
Driving isn’t a right. That’s why you need a liscense
@byronbuck1762 privacy is a right. Information gathered by your private properties is your private property, and if insurance companies and law enforcement want that information, they should require a warrant just like anything else when it involves your property
@ only for within your home. Further, you waive any such rights when signing for a license and buying insurance. This is a good thing, supports public safety and keeps safe drivers from subsidizing reckless ones.
@byronbuck1762 which also includes private property, which also includes your car andYour phone... unless you are involved in a accident and/or got pulled over and or involved in some kind of investigation. Your information is your property period that includes your car in your phone information gathered by your car and your phone. There should be a warrant to acquire your private data.
That was created by your private property
Restrictions like those in the video for “OBD III” would only increase the demand for backdoors and get arounds. There will always be those who will break the law to make a profit. Who knows, OBD III could be just a breakable as the r35 ecu when Nissan said it was uncrackable
Ob3 just can’t work, cause the people won’t allow it lol, insurance increases based off how you drive. Like wtf
Nissan saying their highest performance car's ECU is uncrackable is like a challenge, I can't believe anyone that said that publicly genuinely believed what they said.
Or "here's a new ship we built that's unsinkable"
Remember when the devs said Spore was uncrackable and it was cracked in several hours, going on to become the most pirated game ever
Stuff cracking it, Just replace the ecu with an after market haltech or motech
Here California gasers before 75 and Diesels before 97 don’t need smog checks making them gold for anyone who likes modification.
@@PedroFerrer-vq5sw fr
But you will probably die if a 6000 lb EV hits you
Before ‘76 (‘75 & older), but yes, that’ll be my next purchase.
@@HaloDude557 Anyone will die if a 5000lb Cadillac hits them
@@colliehaughton7595 difference being a 5000ib ev will hit your whole body and the 5000ib caddy will only hit your legs
Government: Hey we gotta clear the air a bit
Manufacturer: Okay
Tuner: I am gonna end the career of this new invention
imagine the pollution saved if politicians would stop talking and breathing.....
Its a good day when you upload buddy!
Glad to hear it!
@337speed fr
@@bengorst-wright5446 fr
My truck a 94 it does not record codes this cumputer crsp sucks
Crazy that this is absolutely possible. And I don't think enough people will care enough for it not to happen.
Maybe next they can mail me a speeding ticket when the gps sees me driving 55 in a 50.
I believe cali already, or is about too, pass a law for this exact reason. Not to mention many places are testing road tax by monitoring your vehicles mileage which would give them access to all the other info as well.
Also, with that lawsuit against General Motors. Apparently, your vehicle camera 📷 is on while you are driving! Taking notes on how you are driving and if you are slowing down around construction sites.
All of this information going back to your insurance company so they can determine how much of a risk you are.
I believe one insurance company already has a device that you can plug into your obdii connection, so you can volunteerily give up that information.
Fr
I have my gps transmitter antenna under the shark fin looking thing on the roof wrapped in heavy aluminum foil and it blocks all transmissions from it.. No onstar and no navigation, I just use my phone if I need a navigation system..
I don't want Onstar or anyone tracking me or seeing my speeds..
@@crw3673 "I believe one insurance company already has a device that you can plug into your obdii connection, so you can volunteerily give up that information."
Progressive has this device. It for their Snapshot rewards system, but their mobile app does the same thing as well.
I can't give this one enough thumbs up, not because of Cali, but because it's so informative. I might have said this before, but you never fail to deliver a new favorite episode Jay!
Bro really turned a 3 month smog class into a 16 minute video
That’s why 337 is the goat fr!! Only true geniuses can turn deep complex information into shit a middle schooler can grasp. Truly 1/1
Bro great educational video as always!
But these obdII port are next level intrusive! Had a coworker go to jail based on information received from the obdII port! Same way a mechanic can receive information, law enforcement is using information on very bad accidents.
I work for a utility company that has cameras in all of their vehicles. The camera is also plugged into the OBDII port. When you stop or maneuver abruptly the camera is trigger to take a 16 second snap shot of your driving. 10 seconds prior to going off and 6 seconds after the incident.
The point I'm making is the information the camera and it's system gets from the OBDII, tells my supervisor with telemetry, how fast I was going, how hard I was accelerating, how much I was applying the brake, if I was wearing my seat belt, did I use my indicator, were my headlights on! In a nut shell, what ever the OBDII see can and will be used against you!
All these new electric smart cars 🚗 that can drive by themselves, will all start returning to the dealership or leasing companies when money 💰 is owed!
I can see law enforcement using technology to shut down cars in the near future, specially EV and highly computerize cars!
Mark my words!🤔
Fr
They can't prove it was you driving
@@HaloDude557 with my co-worker, he was there in the car at the accident.
At my job, there is a camera pointing at the driver and out the windshield, same as your smartphone. With one camera in the back and one in front! Both are on simultaneously to record what is going on an on the road. And how you are reacting to what is going on!
The camera 📷 is attached right beneath the center rear view mirror.
A lot of companies with fleet vehicles use this monitoring company to keep tabs on how employees are driving their vehicles.
Next time you see a UPS, FedEx, garbage truck, firetruck, or ambulance, look at the windshield and see if there isn't a little black box with a camera lense looking out the windshield.
Like I said, this device is not just a camera, but a monitor system that attaches to the OBDII port.
Let you get into accident and the car computer will let them know how fast you were going and when or if you applied the brakes. How hard you applied the brakes and for how long.
I'm not exaggerating nothing I haven't gone through with my supervisor and delegate sitting next to me. Watching a video of a incident that happened at work. The video matches up to the telemetry of the vehicle.
Let the government push these EVs/smart cars on us and they will know your every move while driving.
@@crw3673 They (government) can also takeout anybody against them
Why is law enforcement using data from an obd port to investigate an accident bad?
I still use old ass technology to keep my cars safe from being stolen, a very simple thing called a kill switch.
Just drive a stick shift lol)
This is a great video on the "how" of emissions control in California and the impacts to cars. But it leaves out the why... California being the most populous state in the US and Los Angeles in particular being a hub of Automotive design and innovation. Led to LA being the first big metropolitan area to be built around cars as the main form of transportation and the smog was terrible in LA in the 60s. Just check out some of the pictures of smog in LA at that time. LA still has smog, but it's still substantially reduced despite there being even more cars that there were in the 60s.
It has more to do with the capture of California by liberal politicians in the 1990s and the US pivoting to a heavily-Southwestern influenced political apparatus by the 1980s or so.
These types of initiatives are primarily political and ideological, not market driven. "Free" companies (companies not in-bed with government regulation and regulatory bodies) would be outselling this stuff if they were allowed to do so. It wouldn't be making it into vehicles, I'd still be able to buy a hunk of steel powered by a carborated V8 pushing 500 horsepower with the space of an apartment inside its cabin.
@RingworldTyrant California statewide Air quality started in the 1950's and the first emissions standards came out in the 1960's.
I do agree, but i think the major flaw in the system is being car focused. I live in the south bay area, on top of car pollution we also get toxic arsenic dust from oil refining operations and pollution from crude oil burning cargo ships, as well as even more pollution from leaded AVGAS. Anti car rules also steadily killed off the SoCal car scene, leading to many newer car enthusiasts to go underground with their vehicles, also leading to an increase in street racing and other illegal activities. I don't disagree with the emissions rules but as it stands right now, its too difficult to be in compliance, and that compliance doesn't cover enough areas of pollution.
I grew up in in LA in the 70s. The air quality SUCKED. You could see the brown haze just in the distance across the playground. It hurt to breathe and if you breathed deeply, you started to cough. During recess, they would keep the kids indoors on bad days. A regular part of the nightly news was a smog forecast. Now these things don’t happen at all and the benefits of all those pollution regulations is super clear.
How about two stroke leaf blowers?? When did everyone become so lazy that a rake, broom and dustpan become obsolete?? Instead we blow terrible particles into our neighbors yard. The neighbor returns the favor a week later. And the leaf blower emits more pollution than a fleet of semi trucks.
The best explanation of OBD-II I've heard! I absolutely _hate_ this crap, and all the other unnecessary electronic bloat that keeps jacking up the cost and complexity of vehicles, as well as dreaded trips back to the dealer.
I recently had to renew my registration, which required a smog test, which I couldn't get because my "check engine" light was on. It turned out that rodents had crawled up into an inaccessible area of the engine and chewed up the wiring going to the knock sensors. It cost me $3,000 and two trips to the dealer to get it fixed, but that's not the end of it...
I _still_ couldn't get it smogged because the computer has to check every system before it will give a smog station its blessings to go ahead with the smog test. I don't drive that often, but I've had to drive around aimlessly through almost two tankfuls of gas and over 200 miles, and the ECU _still_ hasn't said I can get the smog test yet. What a system!
The next car or truck I get will be an older pre-OBD model with a small block V8, a carburetor, and simple ignition coil and distributor. BTW, has anybody priced older cars recently? I should have kept a few that I probably only paid $1,000 for at the time, because they've appreciated more than my house... and that's a lot!
I won't lie. But you are one of the underrated TH-camrs in the automotive world. Your content is so interesting and I learn a lot.
Bro has half a million followers, I don't think he's underrated.
if OBD 3 comes out and is really the big brother tattle tale this makes it out to be, the seeds of dystopia are planted.
also I predict standalone ECUs will become normal mods.
Standalone ecus are illegal already in smog regulated states
I mean...good on you for being wary, but big brother been farming out data since the 90s and went into overdrive after 9/11. Facebook literally keeps tabs on everyone at any moment at any time. Same goes for most social media. The government and the private sector knows more about you than your own family does. But fight the good fight I guess.
ay unc figured out where the upload button is
"take the good with the bad"
...but what happens when the bad out-weights the good? i'm pretty sure this can be applied to anything beyond automotive.
That my issue! Most of the younger generation is raving about all this new technology. But I'm steadily seeing how it is biting us in the ass now and possibly in the future. 🤔
Fr
Seriously. I'm not eating a Wagyu A5 steak if it's been smothered in doodoo.
@@crw3673considering the thefts hacks and regulations its like a rock and a hard place
When the bad outweighs the good, consumers won't pick the bad unless companies or the government conspire to make them.
Fantastic video. We've recently gotten some new apprentices mechanics and this is a perfect video to help them understand how and what a obd2 port is for 👍
Fr
Bought a used 09 avalanche bout to do a ls3 swap. New ecus are locked down and cost $1400 to tune via HP tuners vs an 09 at $400. Hindsight I should have purchased an older truck that doesn’t require smog.
I forget who, but I swear I heard a politician, talking about wanting to abolish the EPA or to kneecap their ability to do stuff.
Fr
Trump better do that.
@ryze9153 cheese
@@Totallyrealhandle lol wut?
Yeah, because who wants clean air or drinking water anyway! Am I right???
Bro I aged 20 years while waiting for a new video ☠️
Fr
They want to ban assault style exhausts but won’t get rid of assault style criminals, fine. Everybody should just stay away from that assault style state 😂
The United States needs to stop letting California dictate how the rest of the country is run. Colorado adopted California’s strict emissions standards a few years ago and now drivers are faced with significant increases in vehicle maintenance costs of emissions equipment on their vehicles. We have a Jeep Liberty KK that was not built for sale in California and only meets Federal emissions standards and is in need of new catalytic converters. The cost to replace the failed catalytic converters with ones meeting Federal standards is less than $500. Since I do most repairs and all maintenance myself I can replace both cats for less than $100 if I go cheap. But because of the new CARB regulations here in Colorado I have to replace them with CARB compliant or OEM replacements which cost a minimum of $1600 for approved universal replacements and up to $4600 for OEM replacements. I can understand requiring CARB compliant replacements if that’s what originally came on the vehicle but our Jeep came with Federal EPA compliant equipment and wasn’t built for California standards and should just have to meet those standards. Any car in Colorado that requires new catalytic converters must have them replaced with CARB compliant replacements no matter what. It’s against the law to even ship non compliant cats to Colorado or for repair shops to install them. It’s a perfect example of government overreach.
Man, good thing you can drive to another state, huh? While you can, guess.
This shit is getting out of hand.
They want it to happen.
Only in parts of Colorado the rest of the state has no emissions test.
Blame your state governor. Not California. Just because California does something or passes a law that a lot of Californians don't even like, doesn't mean Colorado has to. Or any state by that means. Try to get a bill passed to make changes.
John Deere is screwing farmers with this stuff.
You could have a 10,000,000 part series starting with “how California ruined”.
lol, 9,999,900 of them would be wrong.
Love this series
gotta love a Standalone ECU
Fr
@@Totallyrealhandle are you just saying Fr to everybody
@Twinturbo-ti3sx fr
True. Once I saw a pic of a supposed fine ticket because the car had an aftermarket ECU installed. However, law enforcement people usually don't have the technical expertise to tell those things apart.
@@Totallyrealhandle bro fr fr Iike IiteraIIy no cap gyatt bro
No matter what OBD-II has made EFI diagnostics much faster. When I learned EFI diagnostics at Motorcycle Mechanic's Institute in 1990 we used wiring diagrams, analog multi-meters, and other assorted equipment to test each sensor in Mikuni, Keihin and Bing EFI systems. I am grateful that I got learn that way because it gave me a better understanding the EFI systems in the 1st gen Busa and many other motorcycles over the course of my career as a tech. No matter what, I will not drive any vehicle that can produce a U (network) code because of the risk to my insurance rates.
My soul left my body when I saw 337 uploaded 💀💀💀
@@RPM7500 fr
So ob3 is car reprogramming robbery safe?
If so okay but it is scary to just get emailed that something is wrong with my car and get fined for something i didnt even know about
@@madmaxcrashes546 all this push for EVs and smart cars 🚗 will comeback to bite us royally!
@@crw3673 then dont let them push for it! its real simple. push back.
You kinda missed the point. They don't care if anything is wrong. They are only concerned about getting total control of your car. That's why in just 2-3 years, ALL manual transmissions will be removed from production cars. It's the only thing stopping them. The automatic will allow them to override everything and use autopilot controls to steal it back. You missed an alimony payment? Your car starts up remotely and drives itself to the car impound lot. If you owe a $15 parking ticket, your car won't start until you pay it and you can't even drive to the DMV to pay it yourself. The car is where totalitarian governments will begin flexing their muscles. And who will they start with? With Tesla. They know about the autopilot software and will use what they learned from Tesla to implement a new system of government brutality never seen before. That's one reason I refuse to buy their cars or even support their stock. And yes, my car has that third pedal that the gov't fucking hates.
This is the perfect car channel for an engineer like me. Great cross section. Technical. Story telling. Aesthetics. Music. Every episode pulls me in. So purposely put together. Thank you for your work.
Finally another video
Been a while, another coming next week
@@337speedfr
@@337speedpsyclone baby!!!
@@337speedwill always be waiting, keep up the good work💕
Bro returned
BTW PLEASE make a video on the c8 zr1 engine when it comes out
Fr
The legend is back
Fr
1:13 I think I just had an eargasm
*Hands down, the most iconic voice on TH-cam.*
It is weird that the auto industry has found that they can push new car sales up by threatening to make future cars so undesireable that you just have to buy one today.
@@emptyshirthow does that relate to his comment in anyway? Lol
Part two should be “How Californication ruined America.”
As someone from Houston these thefts are very common. My friend had his gmc sierra for 2 weeks and it got stolen out of his apartment
I’m studying mechanical engineering and it is so fascinating how the electronics of this come together to allow mechanical engineers to communicate system issues to consumers to avoid catastrophic consequences. I’m not interested in the electrical side of systems so it’s awesome this is so relevant even today, especially in the car tuning scene
Learned a lot watching this. Lots of info but not overwhelming or boring. You have a good formula here. Subscribed
bro I loved hearing my entire engineering lecture on ICE Emissions both PTSD and jealousy for kids studying today so much info made so accessible CRAZY. God bless ad sense
We got OBD III before GTA 6
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My entire life (late Millenial), cars have consistently gotten more expensive, less repairable, and are now becoming tracking devices. The only genuine improvements are small conveniences like backup cameras, power windows, and better fuel economy.
If there was ever another reason to never buy a new vehicle, this is it.
The production quality of your videos over the past couple of years has been stellar!
the back door in all new car is through wifi, all you have to do is a "software update" they just made it even easier for people to hack literally anything in their cars now
Great great video. It still blows my mind how this channel doesnt have 1M+ subs. Some of the BEST automotive content out there. Interesting, entertaining and so easily digestible. Well done, guys.
When the car community needed him the most,he returned
Always a banger. These edits are worth waiting for.
I have a 4.8 Vortech, a 4L65, ford 8.8 and access to a clean 85 Chevette. Oh the possibilities.
Bro, best channel/series on TH-cam. Thank you, looking forward to the next one.
Click bait title for an informative video.
The history should start with the founding of CARB in 1967, not the clean air act in 1970 since even in your video, you state that it was CARB that required the OBD-II port to be installed in cars for emissions testing.
He should have showed how LA was with smog
@@DarkLink1996la is and will always be a shit hole
Man when I owned a Trackhawk, I used to watch your Hellcat engine breakdown all the time. Insane how much your channel has grown since. Keep it up!
11:00 some cars do leave some preformance on the table in the name of fuel efficiency, a notable example is the vw 07k in the golf and jetta can get like 30+ horsepower from just a tune
+HP also impacts reliability, but also speaks to the benefits of computer controls
In 1980, I put a SBC into my Dad's '76 Chevy Luv pick-up. The only smog device I installed was a PCV and the truck ran cleaner than the original 4 cylinder.
I live in California and its a nightmare to find a smog station that smogs pre OBD2 cars. There needs to be bill that doesn't require cars and trucks to be smog that are 1996 and older pre OBD2 but that wil never happen because Comnifornia is greedy asf
As a smog technician I agree. These cars are getting harder to find parts if smog fails. And since almost everyone in California has EV there’s not much need for strict emissions. Also destroy Taylor’s swift jet
At least in Ky, anything 25yrs and older was exempt. Back when we had that foolish testing.
It's a pain but y'all seem like babies calling every inconvenience "communism".
Grow up...
Hmm. Ive had zero issues smogging my pre-OBD2 cars in CA 🤷🏻♂️ That being said, I’ll have a pre-‘76 car next & be smog-exempt.
@SereneSpeed some cars are easier than others I have a 87 Camaro and It needs a air pump to pass smog but they don't make them anymore see the problem
Makes me happy to see one of the best car youtubers from my area 337 & south Louisiana stand up 💪🏿💪🏿
12:14 in a boating accident, while showing a challenger 💀
California ruins everything, that's I left. Now I'm leaving shithole Arizona for Texas.
Can u please make a video on Aussie GTRS!!
There's an Aussie video in the works lol
Aussie Aussie Aussie?
Fr
@@Progtrs fr
@@337speed fr
Soon as warranty is gone. GPS antenna is disabled.
Thank you sir for another great and very informative video. Be blessed brother
Fr
Wow.
I'm a tech, have been for 20 years. Of all the big manufacturers I've worked for and had specific training for. This is the most complete and easy to understand video I've seen.
Hands up for 335 speed. Nice work bro
Instant click! Best voice on youtube.
You should do a video about how SRT Hellcats are being stolen in record numbers because of these stupid ghetto "takeover" events. It's the most annoying trend of 2024. Love the channel! Keep on making great content. ✌
Yup I'll stick with old shit, thank you very much.
I used to be a warranty engineer for a well-known off highway equipment manufacturer. We LOVED modern equipment because when an engine or turbo was sent back to us as an emissions warranty failure (which never age out) we could look up it's ECU, error codes and operating parameters and figure out real easy whether it had been abused, reflashed, chipped or neglected and deny the claim. This was in farm tractors and backhoes...a decade ago...
All the way back in 2014! Ah the nostalgia.
When we needed him most he returned
@@streetwatcher_ fr
This was an excellent video, keep up the good work
Bro remembers he had a channel 😂
You paint a perfect picture with words!! With out being so sophisticated.
California wasnt th only Place where they had Emission Regulation 😂
This is an awesome video !! Its simple to understand but lots of great info ...
Phenomenal video , you always produced the best shit !!!!
Fr
Love your videos man!
"How California ruined cars"
Then proceededs to never discuss California ruining cars at all. I did like the OBD II Wikipedia read with b-roll though
SF CA HATES CARS !!!!!!!!!!! They take Important streets and take a lane for bicycles etc They do what Ever they can to make owning & driving a car a Horroial experience
This channel is top tier for automotive content
The king of car science is back.
Fantastic video, narration and video editing!
Great video. Unfortunately cars are dying on our eyes
USA has mandated car dependency since the end of WWII. This mandated car dependency has destroyed communities, and made everything more expensive for everyone. This mandated car dependency has also made driving worse for car enthusiasts because there are so many people driving because it’s the only option available to them. Traffic, bad roads,higher taxes, more police, etc. If we stop forcing people to drive, driving will be better for those who want to drive
Exactly then we just got to keep pumps alive after that point and the car community is golden@@leftoverbacon
@@leftoverbaconThis whole "the US needs better public transport" is horseshit. The US is a big country. It was not built around the automobile, it spanned the length of a continent before the automobile was even invented. Before private ownership of the car, there was private ownership of the horse, rather unique to America because of its wealth and prosperity.
US cities were sprawling before the automobile, laid out in grids and designed to be modern, not cloistered places where people were on top of each other like elsewhere in the world. The interstate highway system was only built for Military purposes of funnelling troops around in the event of a Soviet invasion in the Cold War. The American was born to have either horse reigns or a steering wheel in his hands, it's not some conspiracy that he doesn't want to live in a city that's turned into a shithole or get packed onto public transit where confronting a drugged out freak threatening to kill people can land him in a precarious legal battle for 2+ years. He wants to be alone and drive and breathe freely. And so he loves the car.
This video is sick, especially the diagrams explaining the engine codes and the OBD2 layout.
P0143 triggered my ptsd. Guy cut the upstream instead of the downstream last week
Up to a point... all the sensing programing and computing and ability to trim fuel mixtures timing and all sorts of things is what created the insane power levels we are now enjoying as pointed out. The American OEMs dragged their feet and fought fuel injection in and catalytic converters in the 70's and 80s while trying to cling to carburertion and vacuum widgets- it was dumb. in any case, I'm not doing OB3.
Man hit us with that existential crisis in the end, damn
Knowledgeable is power! Great video and explanation
i always look forward to your videos
@@rrlapse fr
Great video sir!
Thanksgiving came early!!!
Fr
Tuners were going to tune regardless of OBD2. It just made tuning a lot easier.
The stupid thing is, if the government _really_ cared about disincentivizing high emissions, they wouldn't try so hard to make fuel cheap and abundant.
You should make a video on a Acura Integra or b series engines in general 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@@enriquezegarra2351 fr
Educational purpose served well i would never think about disabling the horn ty
That was best OBD II explanation I've ever seen.
California didn't actually ruin cars though, they forced manufacturers to update and design better engines.
I was a motorcycle mechanic and saw motorcycle technology being adapted for automotive.
Honda and Yamaha used bikes to test 'new' technologies in large volume production before moving it to automotive.
Honda could already beat proposed legislation in 1970's while Detroit told US government it would take at least 10 years.
Due to US consumers and techs being 'afraid' of anything new, i took US manufacturers decades to 'catch up' even though the various technologies were already in use in Europe
Honda's history is that of a startup. There were eager to try new things, that's how they got the jump on new emissions tech that you mentioned. In fact, key people at Honda really loved the United States and felt like they didn't belong in the Japanese automotive world, which was dominated by Nissan and Toyota, at the time. Its funny to me when people mention Honda in contrast to Detroit, when in reality, so many people at Honda loved the freedom that American culture represented--it is exactly the reason in fact why Honda often has research sharing with General Motors, for example. Source: I'm a former Honda employee and I also (separate capacity) lived in Japan as well. Everything you wrote about the motorcycles was true, btw.
@@stevens1041 Cool, I only really know about motorcycles, knowledge of cars somewhat limited as I had little interest in them until I really needed one to transport stuff .
Basically F insurance companies and F the government.