Himeko will be a tough unit to powercreep. Pretty much every Standard 5 star has been powercrept except Himeko and that's because with how her kit was designed which is activating her follow-up attack through breaking toughness bars, that meant that any future Erudition 5 star will just be an indirect buff to Himeko even if another Fire Erudition unit is released.
@@joaosantos-uj9uw And since nobody was really using Herta (and talking about it) because despite the game obviously being designed with summoners/self-replicators in mind the louder players weren't thinking about that early on, it took people a while to figure out that Herta is better the more enemies you'll end up fighting in a combat.
in terms of Damage alone, QQ hits hard than the erudition characters, especially with propagation blessings and she’s basically a Walmart Imbibitor Lunae
Every chara is broken with the right blessings But mono quantum qq deals impressive dmg ngl, but the amount of investment is really a deal breaker for me
@@judielgabrielmanalo5031 yeah same thought, even huohuo does crack amount of damage with propagation blessings, she did like over 150k from a run i did a while ago
Jade also becomes usable outside of PF if you get her e1. Not as good as other 5 stars made for it but not a bad option if you just like the character, can still clear all content.
Nah even E0 jade can be good outside of PF given the conditions are right. Just like Himeko-Herta, Jade can utilize great synergy with her debt collector to clear non PF modes.
I like using Serval myself, simply because it seems like no matter what planet we end up on giant robot armies never go out of style. (She's also pretty handy in Fyxestroll Garden where it's less important what the Ultimate does than that you can have it charged as quickly as possible.)
I remember back at launch my starter 5-star was Himeko and I was disappointed because she was underwhelming at the time. Didn't help when I tried for Seele and lost 50/50 to another Himeko. Flashforward to now, other than PF she has a solid spot in my Break team. Edit: lmao lost another 50/50 to her
if they fix his LL like when 10 stacks, the action forward is 100% it can be meta or if they released character that helped summon unit to increase their speed. but still, that makes him depend on another character
Lmao I was just rewatching your other ranking videos cause i really enjoy them and to my surprise a new one comes out (and the one of my favorite path no less) tysm for the amazing and really fast work! :]
I understand this list is more pure fiction focused since thats eruditions best niche but ngl you kinda underrate how good JY, qingque and sometimes himeko and argenti (depending on the enemy) is in stuff like MoC and AS
Jing Yuan is potentially great, but there's no perfect teammate for him at the moment. Argenti needs a better battery, Tingyun promax. Himeko if wanting to play AS/MoC, superbreak is better. Herta is only usuable in PF. Jade with E1 can be a decent sub dps.
There will never be a perfect team mate for JY because they won't make a character that AAs summons. Robin is proof that they really don't want to do that. Argenti with Bronya/Sparkle or TY/Sparkle and honestly my recent team of Argenti/Sparkle/HuoHuo and TY is doing just fine collecting energy and clearing AS no sweat.
They will never release a new tingyun promax energy battery unit because thats the most OP supp ability. Huohuo is already enough. You can run her with tingyun and the dps can spam their ult every turn
Tbh, idk how to feel about QQ being 6th, but as a erudition character, 100% understand why: Besides high damage, and fast ults, she is very rng heavy, and since erudition wants high atk rates, with good aoe dmg, they really don’t want nukers. Even if she hits like a truck. (she outdamages my Acheron by around 200k damage ☠️ 1.2-1.3 mil vs 1.0-1.1 mil.) As a erudition character, she’s not that good, but as a all round Hypercarry, she definitely still holds up. (Even after Acheron’s release, she was still T1 for MOc so long, and for every other game mode, at least b rank or higher.) Kinda wished she ranked higher, but if this was a destruction tierlist, maybe that would ranker her higher :/
Just saying, Argenti that still carries any MoC with phys. And got this AS proved he's equally effective in AS. Despite his midbuild in equally midbuilt teams. And Im hardly the sole case.
PF wise:himeko,herta,jade,argenti are godly jy is good as well but not as much Moc:jy,himeko superbreak,argenti with his best team AS:himeko,argenti and jy since they have a high break efficiency
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 first himeko has good break efficiency with her superbreak comp, second are you forgetting LL? is the second most highest break efficiency right next to misha?
@@yaraa__2 I'm talking specifically in a very low investment scenario like this one. Of course anyone can do it, but Serval needs the least investment to take out some of the most serious bosses of this game
The only reason for one to have played Serval is because she’s really strong in the early games. Just by starting a new account, then later claim her (+ a free lc) to be a dps, at least past Jarillo VI is good enough.
The QQ slander is remarkable on this one. Bro, pairing her up in SW, Hanabi and HouHou/Fu Xaun makes her hit harder then an Isekai truck. I have Acheron, fully built, but I still use QQ due to her insane multipliers.
Erudition is my most used path in HSR, most because I prefer AOE to single targets(looking at you Hunt) and usually I like to pair Jade,Himeko, and Herta if the stars align. If not usually I’ll pair Jade with Serval or Clara since Quantum really is rarely with fire or ice. But luckily I get to use them against the Deer thing in simulated universe
I don't see him as Quantum. Every Quantum character is in some way trying to "break the rules of the universe". (Even Fu Xuan.) Every Imaginary character is in some way trying to understand and exploit those rules. Quantum represents the random stuff that adds spice to the narrative, Imaginary the framework that gives the narrative meaning. Screwllum feels like the latter to me. You could maybe give him one of the other elements, but if it's the choice between those two...
i think you're SEVERELY underrating argenti's usefulness outside of PF. while he does shine there the most, he is still decent-good outside of it unlike herta who's only really useable when the turbulence lines up with her (which does happen pretty often but still its not always going to.) i might be a little biased considering i main him and have a semi-premium team for him (e2 ruan mei, e1 huohuo, e6 tingyun), but he hits really solid numbers even in single target scenarios which is something that every other erudition character except for qingque struggles in. i would at very least put him 3rd, but i think he belongs in 2nd or 1st.
mentioning how himeko is usable against the current doomsday beast in AS but not mentioning how Argenti is also good and even BETTER than her againsg Doomsday Beast is kinda vile ngl
I think you undersell Argenti but given that you're focusing a lot more on just Pure Fiction, I guess I can't really argue. I think if you take every game mode into account, he's the best Erudition. Erudition is insanely slept-on outside PF in general, I personally use Argenti, QQ, and Himeko pretty often in MoC and AS (Argenti is ironically very good at fighting himself) and have no trouble clearing.
I disagree so harshly with Herta being better than Argenti, I believe he is arguably even better than Himeko. He really shines in PFic, but the amount of MOC runs I used Argenti against Argenti boss, is insane, if you have physical weak bosses he really demolishes. Like Kafka in this Apocalyptic Shadows.
I feel like the reason Jade(e0 at least) is not performing better in MoC is because bosses there rarely have quantum weaknesses. But for Himeko thanks to Firefly we will prob have bosses with Fire weaknesses constantly.
She's been really good in at least one side of both of the Apocalyptic Shadow cycles we've had so far. I used her vs Argenti last time, and used her against doomsday beast this cycle. She's very much carried by being an amazing substitute to FF in teams and fights catered towards her, which is...a lot of fights right now because of how common fire weakness is everywhere, and of how common the Order puppets are as an MOC12 boss currently. A fire weakness bias which I don't think we'll be out of for a while since we still have 2 more fire units coming up in Jiaoqiu and Lingsha who also prefer AOE generally (and another in [spoiler character] if the leaks end up right). Argenti I'd argue is better outside of PF than Jade bc of how his ult works, and also because Phys weakness is also fairly common in both AS and MOC (thank you Boothill). Jade is completely fucked in this regard because Quantum weakness is just generally really rare right now, and outside of the Ebon deer and the Swarm, there aren't really any bosses or elites that lets her build up stacks and is weak to quantum at the moment. BUT, she's a much stronger carry in PF than Argenti, and is more valuable in that sense for anyone who might struggle in that mode (especially as they increase the hp pool of the enemies or move around weaknesses- as good as Himeko and Herta are, both of them have slightly more restrictive triggers for their FUA) Himeko > those two as an all-rounder (at least for this moment as the endgame content benefits FF, and you dont even need to build break on Himeko to take advantage really, as the Usual FF Team of Gallagher/HTB/Ruan Mei gives her plenty anyway). Argenti vs Jade depends on context because while yes, Argenti is a lot more usable in content outside of PF, Jade is SO OBSCENELY SPECIALIZEd for PF that I imagine she can carry in that mode for- basically forever, as any other Jade upgrade or powercreep would...just benefit Jade too because of how she works. depending on which characters you have, that can make jade more valuable as i feel pf is ramping up more and more in difficulty as a 'proper' endgame mode, and pf is already more restrictive about which characters really shine in there compared to MOC and AS. So having a character who will always power through one side for you and give you more lee-way on the other to insure the full clear no matter the buff can be more useful in this context even if she's completely useless outside of that context. But again, depends on which characters you already have
Yes and Argenti has been good every time we have a phys weak enemy in MoC not just because of "recent developments". He's also never needed the turbulence buffs in my experience, (and mind you even during FuA based PF, Argenti can still brute force the mode with sub optimal turbulence. Idk what you guys are using with your Argenti but although I admit he has his caveat (stupid 180 energy Ult) he is just as strong or just as adequate (I score 30k to 40k)as Himeko + Herta in a phys weak PF. Argenti is definitely the better all rounder as his kit enables him to work excellently in AOE content and ST content. Meanwhile, Himeko would struggle to output her maximum potential in a summon-less or summon-light boss fight. He also has the greater advantage in AS as he can just launch T2 ults back to back (break enemy weakness/Deal initial damage/ sneak killing blow) with the right team and timing. You say Jade is specialized for PF but let's not forget Argenti is also specialized in PF. Man gets an energy boost when hitting enemies and when enemies respawn. Easily allowing him to chain T1 ults with TY. Sure Jade is objectively better with higher frequency of attacks.. although her FUA surely does not deal as much damage as a T1 Argenti ult.
I'm disappointed in this list as it just considers the units' strength in PF for the most part. Himeko is good now in MoC, but it's easy to make her irrelevant. QQ, Argenti, and JY also can clear MoC and AS much easier and consistent than Himeko, Herta, or even Jade, which should be a consideration to grade them.
Himeko will literally never get powercrept and Jade is PF insurance like you said. I have both and Argenti and I cant see myself ever pulling for another erudition honestly.
I remember getting her LC on standard banner pity before pure fiction came out, it felt so terrible, i didnt even level it for months. now i use it all the time lmao
QQ is strong and I do think she is easier to use than Jing Yuan (I am not saying he's be bad, just that she's that good). She does less DMG than DHIB or Acheron, but that's about it and definitely better than Himeko and Herta out of PF (I tireed use them in MoC and struggled, while QQ can carry even im AP to the point)
As a member of the Argenti main council, Jade and Argenti should be swapped. Argenti is like Seele in other modes, requires so much effort but can be crazy, Jade can’t, Jade will never, Jade and their 120k damage ceiling filth should’ve been below QQ.
Um.. no. Especially not vs Argenti. QQ can only outdamage them if you proc autarky enough times to be actually good, and autarky is like.. 24%?. I will not suffer through that copium. I have a built QQ, I have seen what she can do, I run her with TY/Sparkle + sustain because I have no Seele, but even then I would rather attack the boss' other weakness than reset for autarky procs.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624Idk about argenti cuz i never bothered to build him but my QQ can hit 900k with her c4 proc. You gotta get lucky with QQ though i remember resetting like 15+ times to proc her c4 twice in a row. I used her with sparkle, bronya and SW.
Excuse me? Wtf? Did you just rank himeko and herta higher than JY and Argenti because of pure fiction? Thats it? Just pure fiction? Wow they are better than JY and Argenti in this one mode I'm mot even going to count the fact that they are worse in the other two modes. You sir are biased towards waifus. Oh my god. Did you just say that himeko has some use outside of pure fiction???????? Hello? Are we.. are we talking about the same unit here? JY, Argenti and Jade have way more use outside of pure fiction Wtf. Okay. I guess this video is just an excuse to simp on Himeko. Not a completely objective ranking.
Um.. bro? Have you been living under a rock? Break himeko teams are popping off right now in all 3 modes because of how cateted theyve been to superbreak recently. Shes definitely better than jing, argenti and jade outside of PF at the moment and only really outshined by Jade IN pf. Not to mention shes doing quite well as a sub dps in firefly teams. Also, of course hes ranking mostly based off PF. Why would you use like ANY erudition unit outside of Qq or himeko in MoC and Apoc when destruction and hunt units are almost always better anyway?
@@TheUnholyToast1 I don't use hunt and destruction (except for Dan HengIL and Ratio/Topaz) because I didn't pull any of those. Cause the erudition units can do PF and AS too lol especially JY and Argenti who are both good at ST with their best teams regardless of the buff. Just because the buffs are catered to super break now doesn't mean she's suddenly better than them in a vacuum which seems to be what this video implies (or not, idk. haven't seen it in a while as it drives me up the wall with messed up takes). They've been clearing content way before the super break was a thing and they continue to clear content now regardless of buffs.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 they clear it slowly sure. Argenti I could possibly see a reasonable argument for being better than Himeko considering he's not completely reliant on break outside PF however Himeko's superbreak teams are just SO much better than even Argenti's premium teams that it's hard to make a case to use him anywhere except PF. And Jingyuan? He's honestly just been bad everywhere due to a major flaw in his kit with waiting for LL to attack. So yes, I do think the existence of superbreak + her PF prowess makes Himeko better than JY and Argenti. Can they both still clear content? Sure, but when everyone can you need to start ranking based on who clears better and that's not JY or Argenti
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QQ is a destruction character pretending to be Erudition.
Himeko will be a tough unit to powercreep. Pretty much every Standard 5 star has been powercrept except Himeko and that's because with how her kit was designed which is activating her follow-up attack through breaking toughness bars, that meant that any future Erudition 5 star will just be an indirect buff to Himeko even if another Fire Erudition unit is released.
fr, and i remember people trashing on that passive during the early days and now that's the reason she hasn't been sent to the forgotten tiers
@@nathanmom1045it was pre PF days, and basically the only MoC himeko worked on was the Deer with herta
@@joaosantos-uj9uw And since nobody was really using Herta (and talking about it) because despite the game obviously being designed with summoners/self-replicators in mind the louder players weren't thinking about that early on, it took people a while to figure out that Herta is better the more enemies you'll end up fighting in a combat.
@@wongo6828 Break erudition is gonna make Himeko 300 pulls skipper regret more.
in terms of Damage alone, QQ hits hard than the erudition characters, especially with propagation blessings and she’s basically a Walmart Imbibitor Lunae
Every chara is broken with the right blessings
But mono quantum qq deals impressive dmg ngl, but the amount of investment is really a deal breaker for me
We’re not taking into SU or any SU gamemode since all of them can become broken
@@judielgabrielmanalo5031 yeah same thought, even huohuo does crack amount of damage with propagation blessings, she did like over 150k from a run i did a while ago
@@billcipher1702 yeah
She does hit hard but she's almost not worth building until you get at least e4
Jade also becomes usable outside of PF if you get her e1. Not as good as other 5 stars made for it but not a bad option if you just like the character, can still clear all content.
Nah even E0 jade can be good outside of PF given the conditions are right. Just like Himeko-Herta, Jade can utilize great synergy with her debt collector to clear non PF modes.
As someone who have an erudition only account and beated the game with it, you underrate serval, he is really good if she is well built!
"beated"
I like using Serval myself, simply because it seems like no matter what planet we end up on giant robot armies never go out of style. (She's also pretty handy in Fyxestroll Garden where it's less important what the Ultimate does than that you can have it charged as quickly as possible.)
He? I didn't know serval was a he
I remember back at launch my starter 5-star was Himeko and I was disappointed because she was underwhelming at the time. Didn't help when I tried for Seele and lost 50/50 to another Himeko. Flashforward to now, other than PF she has a solid spot in my Break team.
Edit: lmao lost another 50/50 to her
Same thing happened to me except I deleted the account and started over 😂
for me, i like use her from the start since she's the only fire unit that i like until i have FF
Same though I never really benched her completely cuz I still liked to slap Topaz’s set on her with Herta to clear calyx.
I only ever lost my 50/50 on her. E2s1 now and she's still going strong in every team I put her in.
Jing Yuan being the most buffed unit and still being the worst Erudition is fucking hilarious
how is jing yuan the worst erudition tho, did u watch the vid
@@scufedthey’re probably talking about the worst five star erudition
@@Alaska386 fair
if they fix his LL like when 10 stacks, the action forward is 100% it can be meta or if they released character that helped summon unit to increase their speed. but still, that makes him depend on another character
@@misery4388Well,Acheron depends of 2 Nhylithy character(1 if you have E2) to work so I don’t get your point
Lmao I was just rewatching your other ranking videos cause i really enjoy them and to my surprise a new one comes out (and the one of my favorite path no less) tysm for the amazing and really fast work! :]
I understand this list is more pure fiction focused since thats eruditions best niche but ngl you kinda underrate how good JY, qingque and sometimes himeko and argenti (depending on the enemy) is in stuff like MoC and AS
Jing Yuan is potentially great, but there's no perfect teammate for him at the moment. Argenti needs a better battery, Tingyun promax. Himeko if wanting to play AS/MoC, superbreak is better. Herta is only usuable in PF. Jade with E1 can be a decent sub dps.
The better battery is Gallagher QPQ.
There will never be a perfect team mate for JY because they won't make a character that AAs summons. Robin is proof that they really don't want to do that.
Argenti with Bronya/Sparkle or TY/Sparkle and honestly my recent team of Argenti/Sparkle/HuoHuo and TY is doing just fine collecting energy and clearing AS no sweat.
They will never release a new tingyun promax energy battery unit because thats the most OP supp ability. Huohuo is already enough. You can run her with tingyun and the dps can spam their ult every turn
Sparkle is pretty good with JY.
Jing yuan has plenty of great parts such as sparkle robin adventurine fu xuan
Jing yuan has plenty of issues but partners isn't one of them
Tbh, idk how to feel about QQ being 6th, but as a erudition character, 100% understand why:
Besides high damage, and fast ults, she is very rng heavy, and since erudition wants high atk rates, with good aoe dmg, they really don’t want nukers.
Even if she hits like a truck. (she outdamages my Acheron by around 200k damage ☠️ 1.2-1.3 mil vs 1.0-1.1 mil.)
As a erudition character, she’s not that good, but as a all round Hypercarry, she definitely still holds up. (Even after Acheron’s release, she was still T1 for MOc so long, and for every other game mode, at least b rank or higher.)
Kinda wished she ranked higher, but if this was a destruction tierlist, maybe that would ranker her higher :/
How tf Qq hitting millions and how is she out damaging Acheron
@@sunburst2373 OP probably just has a REALLY cracked qinque with a Sparkle and Robin/Ruan mei.
I dont know what you fed your QQ but my poorly built QQ combined with Sparkle deals 500k+ at max
Just saying, Argenti that still carries any MoC with phys. And got this AS proved he's equally effective in AS. Despite his midbuild in equally midbuilt teams. And Im hardly the sole case.
One thing that wasn’t brought up with himeko is that with the existence of HMC her follow up mechanic is more consistent than even hertas
King yuan solo other erudition😂😂
In our hearts, in our hearts
@@Iwasbag amen
YAY, another ranking video!
PF wise:himeko,herta,jade,argenti are godly jy is good as well but not as much
Moc:jy,himeko superbreak,argenti with his best team
AS:himeko,argenti and jy since they have a high break efficiency
The glaze of including jy at these modes lmao
@@urasize2big yes i put jy at these modes but on rankings moc wise he is the best while PF or AS other erudition like himeko is better than him
Himeko doesn't have good break efficiency.. neither does JY's skill and Ult.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 first himeko has good break efficiency with her superbreak comp, second are you forgetting LL? is the second most highest break efficiency right next to misha?
"No real reason to use"
Did you know that Serval paired with HMC can take out most, if not all of the bosses of this game?
So can other units
@@yaraa__2 I'm talking specifically in a very low investment scenario like this one. Of course anyone can do it, but Serval needs the least investment to take out some of the most serious bosses of this game
@@Fisticutz Agreed, Serval took me through the entire storyline & pairing her with Jade's pretty nice for PF and so with the quick ults.
The only reason for one to have played Serval is because she’s really strong in the early games. Just by starting a new account, then later claim her (+ a free lc) to be a dps, at least past Jarillo VI is good enough.
HIMEKO IS LOVE HIMEKO IS LIFE.
LOOK AT MY GIRL.
The QQ slander is remarkable on this one. Bro, pairing her up in SW, Hanabi and HouHou/Fu Xaun makes her hit harder then an Isekai truck. I have Acheron, fully built, but I still use QQ due to her insane multipliers.
QQ should've been number 3 ngl💀
Odd... I'm hearing a strange sound. something like... "Never let you go". Huh. Must be the wind.
Erudition is my most used path in HSR, most because I prefer AOE to single targets(looking at you Hunt) and usually I like to pair Jade,Himeko, and Herta if the stars align. If not usually I’ll pair Jade with Serval or Clara since Quantum really is rarely with fire or ice. But luckily I get to use them against the Deer thing in simulated universe
i really want to know if they made Screwllum Imaginary Erudition or Quantum since i've heard both
According to leaks : sunday isnt imaginary so screwlum will be imaginary
I don't see him as Quantum. Every Quantum character is in some way trying to "break the rules of the universe". (Even Fu Xuan.) Every Imaginary character is in some way trying to understand and exploit those rules. Quantum represents the random stuff that adds spice to the narrative, Imaginary the framework that gives the narrative meaning. Screwllum feels like the latter to me. You could maybe give him one of the other elements, but if it's the choice between those two...
doubt he will be imaginary erudition since floppa is out but floppa so ugly i kinda hope she gets powercrept
If I were to add. Himeko is Fantastic against enemies with shared HP bars.
QQ destroys a lot of content and her monoquantum synergy makes her even better
i think you're SEVERELY underrating argenti's usefulness outside of PF. while he does shine there the most, he is still decent-good outside of it unlike herta who's only really useable when the turbulence lines up with her (which does happen pretty often but still its not always going to.) i might be a little biased considering i main him and have a semi-premium team for him (e2 ruan mei, e1 huohuo, e6 tingyun), but he hits really solid numbers even in single target scenarios which is something that every other erudition character except for qingque struggles in. i would at very least put him 3rd, but i think he belongs in 2nd or 1st.
Might as well just call this the pure fiction tier list lol
Serval 5* form soon :notCopium:
Argenti is very underrated
mentioning how himeko is usable against the current doomsday beast in AS but not mentioning how Argenti is also good and even BETTER than her againsg Doomsday Beast is kinda vile ngl
I think you undersell Argenti but given that you're focusing a lot more on just Pure Fiction, I guess I can't really argue. I think if you take every game mode into account, he's the best Erudition. Erudition is insanely slept-on outside PF in general, I personally use Argenti, QQ, and Himeko pretty often in MoC and AS (Argenti is ironically very good at fighting himself) and have no trouble clearing.
Serval is my favorite still my four star main
I disagree so harshly with Herta being better than Argenti, I believe he is arguably even better than Himeko.
He really shines in PFic, but the amount of MOC runs I used Argenti against Argenti boss, is insane, if you have physical weak bosses he really demolishes. Like Kafka in this Apocalyptic Shadows.
oh boy remmeber a year ago everyone was putting herta and himeko in d tier? that did not age well...
Only for MoC. In Pure fiction they excel.
Even in Moc and apoc himeko is good now though cuz of break meta@@arnowisp6244
Argenti and Himeko have red hair, S+
great vid bro please do nihility next one i really wanna see silver wolf in d tier
I feel like the reason Jade(e0 at least) is not performing better in MoC is because bosses there rarely have quantum weaknesses. But for Himeko thanks to Firefly we will prob have bosses with Fire weaknesses constantly.
Saying himeko is better than Jade/Argenti outside of MOC sure is a take
She's been really good in at least one side of both of the Apocalyptic Shadow cycles we've had so far. I used her vs Argenti last time, and used her against doomsday beast this cycle. She's very much carried by being an amazing substitute to FF in teams and fights catered towards her, which is...a lot of fights right now because of how common fire weakness is everywhere, and of how common the Order puppets are as an MOC12 boss currently. A fire weakness bias which I don't think we'll be out of for a while since we still have 2 more fire units coming up in Jiaoqiu and Lingsha who also prefer AOE generally (and another in [spoiler character] if the leaks end up right).
Argenti I'd argue is better outside of PF than Jade bc of how his ult works, and also because Phys weakness is also fairly common in both AS and MOC (thank you Boothill). Jade is completely fucked in this regard because Quantum weakness is just generally really rare right now, and outside of the Ebon deer and the Swarm, there aren't really any bosses or elites that lets her build up stacks and is weak to quantum at the moment. BUT, she's a much stronger carry in PF than Argenti, and is more valuable in that sense for anyone who might struggle in that mode (especially as they increase the hp pool of the enemies or move around weaknesses- as good as Himeko and Herta are, both of them have slightly more restrictive triggers for their FUA)
Himeko > those two as an all-rounder (at least for this moment as the endgame content benefits FF, and you dont even need to build break on Himeko to take advantage really, as the Usual FF Team of Gallagher/HTB/Ruan Mei gives her plenty anyway).
Argenti vs Jade depends on context because while yes, Argenti is a lot more usable in content outside of PF, Jade is SO OBSCENELY SPECIALIZEd for PF that I imagine she can carry in that mode for- basically forever, as any other Jade upgrade or powercreep would...just benefit Jade too because of how she works. depending on which characters you have, that can make jade more valuable as i feel pf is ramping up more and more in difficulty as a 'proper' endgame mode, and pf is already more restrictive about which characters really shine in there compared to MOC and AS. So having a character who will always power through one side for you and give you more lee-way on the other to insure the full clear no matter the buff can be more useful in this context even if she's completely useless outside of that context. But again, depends on which characters you already have
Yes and Argenti has been good every time we have a phys weak enemy in MoC not just because of "recent developments". He's also never needed the turbulence buffs in my experience, (and mind you even during FuA based PF, Argenti can still brute force the mode with sub optimal turbulence. Idk what you guys are using with your Argenti but although I admit he has his caveat (stupid 180 energy Ult) he is just as strong or just as adequate (I score 30k to 40k)as Himeko + Herta in a phys weak PF.
Argenti is definitely the better all rounder as his kit enables him to work excellently in AOE content and ST content. Meanwhile, Himeko would struggle to output her maximum potential in a summon-less or summon-light boss fight. He also has the greater advantage in AS as he can just launch T2 ults back to back (break enemy weakness/Deal initial damage/ sneak killing blow) with the right team and timing.
You say Jade is specialized for PF but let's not forget Argenti is also specialized in PF. Man gets an energy boost when hitting enemies and when enemies respawn. Easily allowing him to chain T1 ults with TY. Sure Jade is objectively better with higher frequency of attacks.. although her FUA surely does not deal as much damage as a T1 Argenti ult.
I regret not pulling jade ☹
I'm disappointed in this list as it just considers the units' strength in PF for the most part. Himeko is good now in MoC, but it's easy to make her irrelevant. QQ, Argenti, and JY also can clear MoC and AS much easier and consistent than Himeko, Herta, or even Jade, which should be a consideration to grade them.
Himeko will literally never get powercrept and Jade is PF insurance like you said. I have both and Argenti and I cant see myself ever pulling for another erudition honestly.
After all this time, It would still feel bad to lose 50/50 to Himeko 💀
I remember getting her LC on standard banner pity before pure fiction came out, it felt so terrible, i didnt even level it for months. now i use it all the time lmao
@@Iwasbag me too, now i use it on qingque.
Qq is literally better selee 😡
QQ is strong and I do think she is easier to use than Jing Yuan (I am not saying he's be bad, just that she's that good). She does less DMG than DHIB or Acheron, but that's about it and definitely better than Himeko and Herta out of PF (I tireed use them in MoC and struggled, while QQ can carry even im AP to the point)
As a member of the Argenti main council, Jade and Argenti should be swapped. Argenti is like Seele in other modes, requires so much effort but can be crazy, Jade can’t, Jade will never, Jade and their 120k damage ceiling filth should’ve been below QQ.
Outside of pure fiction, QQ > argenti, jingyan and herta
Um.. no. Especially not vs Argenti. QQ can only outdamage them if you proc autarky enough times to be actually good, and autarky is like.. 24%?. I will not suffer through that copium.
I have a built QQ, I have seen what she can do, I run her with TY/Sparkle + sustain because I have no Seele, but even then I would rather attack the boss' other weakness than reset for autarky procs.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624Idk about argenti cuz i never bothered to build him but my QQ can hit 900k with her c4 proc. You gotta get lucky with QQ though i remember resetting like 15+ times to proc her c4 twice in a row. I used her with sparkle, bronya and SW.
Main reason why Himeko is the best: Because she is Murata Himeko
i choked there is NO WAY ARGENTI ISNT 1ST (respectfully ofc)
Excuse me? Wtf? Did you just rank himeko and herta higher than JY and Argenti because of pure fiction? Thats it? Just pure fiction? Wow they are better than JY and Argenti in this one mode I'm mot even going to count the fact that they are worse in the other two modes. You sir are biased towards waifus. Oh my god. Did you just say that himeko has some use outside of pure fiction???????? Hello? Are we.. are we talking about the same unit here? JY, Argenti and Jade have way more use outside of pure fiction
Wtf.
Okay. I guess this video is just an excuse to simp on Himeko. Not a completely objective ranking.
Um.. bro? Have you been living under a rock? Break himeko teams are popping off right now in all 3 modes because of how cateted theyve been to superbreak recently. Shes definitely better than jing, argenti and jade outside of PF at the moment and only really outshined by Jade IN pf. Not to mention shes doing quite well as a sub dps in firefly teams. Also, of course hes ranking mostly based off PF. Why would you use like ANY erudition unit outside of Qq or himeko in MoC and Apoc when destruction and hunt units are almost always better anyway?
@@TheUnholyToast1 I don't use hunt and destruction (except for Dan HengIL and Ratio/Topaz) because I didn't pull any of those. Cause the erudition units can do PF and AS too lol especially JY and Argenti who are both good at ST with their best teams regardless of the buff. Just because the buffs are catered to super break now doesn't mean she's suddenly better than them in a vacuum which seems to be what this video implies (or not, idk. haven't seen it in a while as it drives me up the wall with messed up takes). They've been clearing content way before the super break was a thing and they continue to clear content now regardless of buffs.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 they clear it slowly sure. Argenti I could possibly see a reasonable argument for being better than Himeko considering he's not completely reliant on break outside PF however Himeko's superbreak teams are just SO much better than even Argenti's premium teams that it's hard to make a case to use him anywhere except PF. And Jingyuan? He's honestly just been bad everywhere due to a major flaw in his kit with waiting for LL to attack. So yes, I do think the existence of superbreak + her PF prowess makes Himeko better than JY and Argenti. Can they both still clear content? Sure, but when everyone can you need to start ranking based on who clears better and that's not JY or Argenti