@@MiIkywayCookie it would make more sense to use ruan mei then. She actively buffs the right stats for break DPS. U can still use RM on fua it just isn't as good as robin
Hot take : Robin is better than Rm on most teams (Fua, dot, hypercarry) except Break teams in which Robin is not nearly as useful as Ruan Mei obviously
Indeed a hot take , as in dot team ruan mei is better. The only situation where robin is better than ruan mei is when hp pool of enemy is low. Where she quickly frontloads dot dmg. But as we know hp pool of enemy is increasing . In hypercarry robin can many times be better than sparkle but it comes with clunkyness as u would need to build quid pro quo galaghar to supply robin. On the other hand ruan mei is not competing for primary buffer role in hypercarry team but rather the secondary buffer or the third as a pseudo sustain. The competition for primary buffer team is between robin sparkle and bronya. For dual dps . It is arguable . If allies attacks fast and quick robin is better . If allies attack strong and slow ruan mei is better. For follow up team robin is best ruan mei is second best. For break team ruan mei is best. For super break team ruan mei is still the best . As hmc is the superbreak not the support to the superbreak. And ruan mei directly and Indirectly buffs hmc Thr moment another superbreak enabler comes hmc will be replaced not ruan mei as she is not superbreak but a buff to it. Robin can't buff these playstyles.
@@nono-lq5uy No need to yap that much to end up saying that Ruan Mei is only better in Break teams.. btw Robin is much better than Ruan mei in dot teams, just look at the average cycle clear with both characters. Robin>
I feel like Hanya is really good unit that gives Attack, Speed and Damage Bonus to one unit which is really helpful for Super Break teams since they scale off Speed and some Break unit such as Firefly can convert extra Attack into Break Effect. Plus she also gives SP for Firefly's SP heavy playstyle. If you do not have Ruan Mei or she is occupied for the other team. You can easily use Firefly, Harmony MC, Hanya and Gallagher as 4 star team which will do good in MOC.
Imo if you luck of harmony for superbreak(example rm for boothil and you need another harmony) asta way better since she have a whole team speed and deal good superbreak dmg too
As someone who owns Ruan Mei and Sparkle, I try to make the weaker units usable by giving them a niche. For example I play Asta as a specialized fire-support with Penacony and Planetary. However, I still struggle to find a use for Hanya... if someone has a suggestion let me know, because imo she is a 5* in design
@@thepower3620 When you only have 1 E6 character for a Physical break team like Luka or Sushang, or even Boothill without Bronya. Dealing DMG while also fixing some SP issues, and Speeding up the Break Hypercarry.
Sparkle got done so dirty. Because hoyo never released another character that uses a shit ton of Sp apart from DHIL, Seele, and QQ she got power crept by Robin 2 patches. If hoyo releases a DPS that uses similar Sp to DHIL she would be popping off.
I think it's exaggerated to say that she got power crept, in fact, the one that got power crept was Hanya because of Sparkle. She's still really strong in hypercarry teams that need crit damage, of course not every DPS will utilize EVERY SINGLE BUFF she gives and that's okay, that doesn't mean she got power crept
Frr, people are glazing Ruan Mei too much. They're thinking Ruan Mei is enough. "B-b-but Ruan Mei is universal 🤓☝🏻" so is Robin. Robin is arguably better than Ruan Mei in every teams with the exception of Break team obviously
I have Ruan Mei since her first run, but she barely helps in making faster cycles in MOC. Unless its Firefly's team. But my Robin, helped my DOT, PF team, even DHIL and Jingliu team get less cycles even without Acheron on my roster. I believe the meta right now might be break, but if we compare who slots the best among the others - Robin benefits more teams. Especially when units like Yunli and March 7th hunt came out. I tested it many times but RM on JL/Dhil even JY teams just don't kill faster as must as people think. There's also Clara who is an underrated character which has a FUA buff from Robin. Then a free unit like Ratio, just slot pela + Robin he can destroy AS. So I don't see the argument that RM fits more teams as break units that want her are Firefly and even Boothill would at times want Bronya more. I could be wrong of course, I own all harmony units and this is my genuine experience. :)
Idk what Ur doing wrong but how is robin an sp neutral useful for dhil. The action advance is crazy and an extra 20 crdmg is great but she provides less straight buffs than ruan mei. Ruan mei is way better against high hp pool enemies as well.
@@grandgrand6754 idk, RM never helped me cleared within 5 cycles which is what I need for my JL & Dhil for any floors that have their respective element weakness. The key thing I notice that people get wrong with using Robin, is using her as a back-up + cycle. Pop that ult before the cycle ends. But what I usually do is ult ASAP give her energy back with Tingyun. So I'm not sure how you play your Robin. Recently, you can even use Robin with Acheron + JQ calcs proving she is better than sparkle on that area too for Acheron.
Honestly imo Ruan Mei is slightly overrated she has overall great buffs and is very universal but in terms of meta Robin is arguably better; her buffs are stronger for atk scaling teams which is a large majority of comps, for example dot with Robin is better against off element enemies, fua teams are obviously better with Robin, etc the only teams that Ruan Mei buffs more are break and blade teams and the latter is notorious for being meta irrelevant, another factor is the team wide advance makes Robin way better for getting lower cycle clears in moc and pure fiction and use up less av in apoc, Robin will also get better with more fua characters and even one of Acherons bis teamates with jiaoqiu in summary Ruan Mei is like a jack of all trades good at all but not the best for any minus break teams
the fact that they powercreeped sparkle 2 banners after with Robin by a mile is crazy, i will be more careful in the future with my units, actually a good thing that i didn't get Yunli since she seems so easily replaceable too
@@AlwaysThirstysNope I would disagree sparkle is very much replaceable in almost every team she is in by either bronya or hanya , except her bis team.
She was made for dragonboy & seele and thats it and seele isnt meta anymore so just dragonboy. Robin is made for fua comp She goes well with 'fua' than a single character. U can use her in PF with herta himeko , hunt fua comp >>dr ,numby (no topaz, numby do all the work) And what i seen is she is also giving better clears in jingliu comp now 🫠 That 100% advance all time is anyday very valuable.
I agree with a large amount of this tier list, but hmc kinda needs to be in the "meta" tier. I don't even like super break and I feel likergis mechanic is broken. If you're able to solely carry the top dps on your back and they literally can't do ANYTHING without hmc+ all the characters that perform well in super break like Sushang, Xuyei, and Luka, that's the literal definition of "Meta"
Im glad i have all Harmomy characters so far at this moment because i can choose whenever i want for my team comps more easily Sunday when he comes can be a really good option but it would depends on his kit when hoyo realesed him in the future
Just a small correction, Ruan Mei is a member of the Genius Society, same as Herta and Screwllum, the intelligentsia guild is Ratio's faction and different from the Genius Society
(Using Meta DPS to rank the 5☆ harmony units): 1. Robin the best option with pratically every DPS and if is not the best, is the second best. 2. Ruan Mei. Exist a low Number of best in slot for her but she have a universal best in slot in Super Break. More liked FF, Boothill, Superbreak (in DoT Robin is better, people use Ruan Mei because it's Comfy and Robin is a must in Critical comps) 3. Bronya. Simply because she's more used as the third option than Sparkle in 0 cycles with a good synergy with Robin contrary to Sparkle and Bronya is the actual best in Slot for Boothill alongside with Ruan Mei She have normally a SP negative playstyle, but her signature LC and if you get some of her eidolons, she can becomes more SP positive similar to Sparkle (only after E4). 4.Sparkle. Only have 1 Best in Slot DPS and is surpassed by Robin in every comp, mostly because Sparkle action advances sucks for overall meta characters and her own buffs are not universal as Robin and Ruan Mei, buffing only a massive Critical, ok damage bonus, negative atk buff for non quantum (and this is because she gives a lot of SP in her ultimate and unlocks a unique gameplay with 7 SP cap). ME, personally, think that Sparkle will become the Blade from the harmony, because without her E1, she's pretty bad, doesn't give any advantages besides SP than Ruan Mei, Robin and also the meta characters and sustainless teams prefer Bronya over Sparkle.
@@tavinhoo The point is more that fast DPS are the actual meta, doesn't change that much (mostly 0 ~ 2 cycles) making they really slow for Sparkle carry they eith 160 or 168 eagle speed, even more if you remember that Robin does this way better and low investiment cost, making Viable characters like Topaz/Feixiao that have 160 ~ 150 speed strong or even stronger at 134 ~ 110 speed in AoE comparing to Sparkle.
I would switch Hmc and Tingyun since Hmc is really meta right now and that tingyun doesn’t shine as much in this meta even if she’s rlly good. Out of that the tierlist is perfect
Hot take, sparkle is not nearly as good as harmony MC Sparkle is not part of the top 3 best teams of the game on ST, unlike HMC being part of one (firefly) and a decent replacement for bronya on another one too (boothill) Sparkle also can't elevate a full f2p team to the same level a HMC can, is so much easier to make a 4 star only clear with HMC than with sparkle Sparkle scales better with eidolons like the E2 of acheron but if you need to invest on eidolons to win against hyperbloom 2 then there is no point, acheron E2 can clear anything by herself anyway
Don't get me wrong, sparkle is still one of the best pulls of the game, and danheng IL is still the third best carry on Blast (3 targets) But aside from danheng IL, seele (lmao) and qingque, sparkle is not really the best option in other teams, ruan mei, robin and HMC give her a run for her money until hyv stops releasing break/FuA/dual carrys
@@gazakanastill i think the meta will shift again, just because there are more fua and break unit currently, plus her sp generate kind of useless consider outside dhil team or qq
@@phátlâmtấn-p9uwelp a meta change won’t help her at all both Broyna and Robin beat her in every way so unless a one off SP hungry DPS releases she’s really useless.
I think it is not a hot take at all. I think they kinda droppped the ball by not giving us a hypercarry sp spender character for a long time now. They could have easily made Boothill or Yun li that .
Both my best teams use RM and Robin. RM is more compatible with Break, while Robin is more universal at this point. Break team is E2S0 Firefly, E1S0 Ruan Mei, E6 Gallagher and E6 HTB. Follow-up Attack team is still being worked on, I'm eagerly waiting for Feixiao and Moze to drop. My team is going to be E0S0 Feixiao, E1S0 Robin, E0S0 Aventurine and E6 Moze (hopefully).
Ruan Mei's buffs are universal. Even characters like Blade and Jingliu with their self buffs can appreciate her Res Pen Buff, Speed and Break Efficiency. She is one of the most universal team wide buffer. With a debuff to delay enemies actions
@@Gaurang_Karande robins buffs are also universal, even blade scales with attack (not as much as he scales with hp but its not non-negligeable). the only buff that doesnt benefit every character is the 25% crit damage for follow up attacks from her ultimate. also, now with yunlis release the characters that want the enemies to attack has increased and robin performs better in those teams.
Robin is functionally the best support in the game taking all of Ruan Mei's non break team comps and being significantly better than her on those comps from Dot to dual to hypercarry. Teamwide action advance is not to be trifled with
@@Ilikegames804team-wide advance can be partially replicated with Dance. The fact that Robin does not work well with Break teams already disqualifies her as the best Support. Right now, Super Break is the meta whether you want to admit it or not, and the one character that greatly buff all teams she's a part of INCLUDING Break teams is Ruan Mei.
Just a question though. With regards to all-type res down/pen, vulnerability and def shred/pen, what's the difference between those? Because Ruan Mei has all type res pen on ult and E1 allows for def ignore, and Robin's E1 is an all-type res pen instead. I'm just wondering is there actually a significant difference with those two?
tbh i think harmony trailblazer should be in the meta tier, they are currently in one of the if not the best team rn (firefly, ruan mei, gallagher, harmony mc)
I think Bronya should be higher than Tingyun and Trailblazer. She has many teams, while Tingyun is mostly used in hypercarries and Trailblazer in break teams.
Idk why but when I tryed the top 3 supports from my friends in honkai because I don't have any of them I felt like Sparkle is the best and I also have dan heng il and and I feel like with her skill point thing she is a really good unit I tryed robin too but if I don't have a fua team what team comp yall recommend? I lost my 50/50 to sparkle and I really need a supporter I have bronya but I need someone stronger
3:06 the Bronya tier is completely wrong, Bronya value never goes away she keeps rising over and over her value went up from boothill, and then Jade, and now March and soon feixiao all favouring Bronya her value KEEPS RISING. Where as sparkle her value keeps FALLING drastically, all of her good teammates before have been replaced by Robin, oh u want to use sparkle with Acheron? Nope Robin does better, want to use e2 dhil? Nope Robin does better, jing yuan? Nope Robin does better, there’s a consistent pattern of Acheron losing her synergies to Robin and ruan Mei, the only units sparkle is best for is argenti, Qingque and a e0 dhil, every other unit in the game does better with a Robin. Sparkle is worse than Bronya, especially due to the rise of Gallagher to provide sp so Bronya can be used in more teams. The real harmony rankings are.. 1. Robin 2. Ruan Mei 3. Bronya 4. Sparkle
I have both bronya and sparkle, and i musy say the cleanse really save the sustainless run but for people like me who have skill issues in skillpoint, gotta have sparkle to e4 for comfort. 😅😅😅
@@ZeroTheBotHer damage bonus is far more superior than Sparkle and actually gives alot of atk hence why if sp isn't a problem sparkle will always be worse
@@candleplays8030You're only saying that now cuz Dps and supports nowadays do big numbers without eating sp but if they made another Character that does double the sp usage of The meta units rn whether support or dps sparkle will be the best to run along side them
People will say Robin is more superior in alot of cases but the gap between them is very small despite the fact that Ruan mei provides many other things such as Sp and Res Penetration
@@falopit9870 lmao ruan mid copers are insane, I saw a youtube say "Ruan mei just has so much more in her kit in terms of numbers" and almost all calculations are in favor of robin, whether by overall team damage, cycles, or just damage per hit.
@@daryaromanova8453bro he’s right? sparkle is def number 1. midbin/ ruan mid are worthless compared to her. will def E6 S5 her on re run, smh. (not coping)
Honestly Ruan mei is not all that If you want more damage and an amazing boost just use robin Ruan mei is good in break teams but overall damage boost she lacks tingyyn is not all that yea she gives energy but most chracters can retore energy fast and her slot can be placed with some one better
4:51 once again like sparkle, you are completely wrong here, tingyun has been losing so much value and her usage rate in mic and pure fiction had fallen off tremendously due to the rise of units who energy doesn’t do shit for them, like Acheron (has no energy), firefly (tingyuns energy is too minuscule to matter), boothill (simply doesn’t need the energy), she’s seen less and less value as time goes on.
With all the dps characters that kinda depend on tingyun,(seele jingyuan, argenti, yunli, Clara, yanqing) it's more likely for it to be tingyun over Gallagher for that title
@@thatartistdude4141 Good for you :D I gave into my gambling addiction and pulled her on first banner even though I wasn't planning to and luckily won the 50/50.
I just wanna say Asta can be a great replacement for ANY account that does not have Ruan Mei or Robin. What? You need a DOT buffer that buffs everyone but dont have Ruan Mei or Robin? Use Asta. Speed is so good alongside her ATK% buff. Dont have Ruan Mei for Firefly team? Use Asta. She gives fire dmg boost, speed to take more turn, and obviously atk%. Dont have Robin for dual DPS comp? Asta is great. Dont have Robin? Use Asta alongside Dance³ with superimposition. Albeit less dmg boost compared to Ruan Mei or Robin, Asta is still usable. For those who is new and do not have Robin or Ruan Mei, please do not look down on Asta being a free unit and are always low on tier list. Its only compared to *OTHER 5 STARS*. She will be your best friend in a new account and is a good option
She's also good in Superbreak comps for people who don't have Ruan Mei (in fire weak stages, anyway), as her bounce skill can both help whittle enemy toughness and do good damage too if you build BE. I'm surprised that specific niche was never brought up
Mom the kids are fighting again. Only now they're tired of um actually bronya is significantly better then sparkle to Robin is actually arguably better then ruan mei, who is rather over rated.
Remember when everyone thought sparkle would be op and to skip ruan for her but then now that she's here she's barely even competing against bronya and is inferior to both Ruan and Robin💀
Barely competing with bronya is definitely not a very accurate description of what sparkle really is. She makes any team SP positive and made a lot of non meta teams S tier level
@@candleplays8030The only reason that Sparkle isn’t as good now isn’t because she’s bad, she’s just more of a support for “trade Sp for big damage” characters, which is only DHIL and QQ right now. DHIL and Jingliu are pretty good with Sparkle. Maybe not the top teams but can brute force most content. The only reason why Sparkle doesn’t seem as appealing now is because so much content is catered around break, and dual dps comps are getting more and more popular.
sparkle is very overrated haha i rank her 4th or 3rd.If u know how to manage ur sp then u dont actually need her and her buffs are kinda okayish with mediocre buff
@@soulfulhuman8724 I mean she is heavy invested, and i only build her about 153 speed and 200 crit damage thank to having her lc....It's tough farming for her than ruan mei and bronya
@@phátlâmtấn-p9u tbh i use rainbow set for bronya , not even 2 piece combo bcz its equally hard to grind a full set with crit and speed substats. Although bronya needs 133/143 for dps switch swap combo , she is relatively easy to build than sparkle Although hyperspeed bronya is another story.
5:57 also wrong here, she’s worse than ruan Mei, Acheron teams a team that attacks slow prefers her over any other units even, she’s way stronger than ruan Mei
@@joaosantos-uj9uwwrong, E2 Acheron's best team is Jiaoqiu, Robin and Gallagher. Sparkle is only BiS for VERY skill point hungry DPS like DHIL and QQ, her AA is worse than Bronya's and Robin's. I wouod only compare Sparkle with Robin and Ruan Mei with vertical investment into her
The fact that Robin doesnt provide SP and has energy problems at E0S0 makes her inferior to Ruan Mei. Ruan Mei provides unconditional 10 speed buff, toughness reduction, additional break dmg, all res pen, and delay to all enemies during break makes her more universal since she can unconditionally buff every unit in the game ATK, HP, or DEF scaling
THIS! People are forgetting that without a FUA team, getting Robin's ult up is a pain without her LC or a battery [Huo Huo/Tingyun] to use her. Once she leaves her state, her energy is at best 45%-50% if you have a team that moved fast enough. RM comes out the box swinging. "Universal doesn't mean the best" is so untrue when res pen and spd are such key components to large dps numbers.
Finally, some people are saying it. Robin is a better buffer for quite a few teams, but my god is she iffy at E0S0 and this is from someone who owns her, especially if you have an SP hungry team (altho she isn’t really used in those, bc all the SP hungry DPS aren’t top meta atm). People are all looking at numbers & some more numbers. Yeah, robin can clear 1/2 cycles faster for the teams she’s in, which does make her objectively seen the better unit but this is with the pretty low hp pools (considering we have such insane damage dealers rn) due to her giving an insane amount of frontloaded damage. We know from leaks that enemies are just going to get tankier & tankier, and this’ll reduce her effectiveness. I’m not trying to downplay robin at all, she has multiple teams where she’s objectively uncontested in, but ruan mei can pretty much not be powercrept unless someone can be as universal as her and just be better at it. Also also, if you look at robin’s buffs, they are quite a lot more potent than ruan mei’s. And the fact they had to be this potent to beat her (at the cost of being a bit less universal) just tells how insanely strong ruan mei has been and still is.
@@akmal1264 break team, dot bis, can work dual and hypercarry, break delays, res pen, weakness efficiency for apoc. Tingyun is only known for her decent buffs, good av advance and energy
@@jcrey-zg7fv break team: yes dot bis: lol no can work dual/hypercarry: can ≠ bis, outside break other harmony better break delay: is it even matter? res pen: just another dmg amp, why even mention this? weakness efficiency: break and apoc stuff, other than that not very impactful Ting av advance and energy stabilize the team dmg, lower number but attack more often. Kind of like robin but much worse. While ruan is just an amp.
@@akmal1264 break delays makes clears so much easier as it can reduce rng with certain attacks (like automaton, stuns, sleeps). Ruan Mei is better than Robin in dot. Res pen is way more valuable than a mere 52% dmg buff which ruan mei does more. It’s like saying def reduction is just another damage amp like flat atk. Attack is nice but is an easy freeloaded stat every dps uses.Tingyun is chained to hypercarry and that’s it. It’s like trying to argue sparkles more universal than ruan mei across all teams. Tingyun is BIS for mainly energy based comps and that’s about it
@yoyododo9234 you're one of the Robin simps ? Tbf I don't care I have both and I find it funny to see people fight over useless things... welcome to the internet I guess xD
Really well made videos! I would say Robin is slowly getting better and better with each unit release, we Robin mains are eating well!
Robins getting another buff with Feixiao and Lingsha too 😂😂😂 They both use FU
@@AhmedMohammed-pf3jkI wouldn't use robin on lingsha. Lingsha buffs break and is pretty sp reliant.
@@grandgrand6754 it could work once we get a follow up attackers who specializes on break
@@MiIkywayCookie it would make more sense to use ruan mei then. She actively buffs the right stats for break DPS. U can still use RM on fua it just isn't as good as robin
@@grandgrand6754 i guess so but still, it would be possible to use Lingsha and Robin at the same time
Hot take : Robin is better than Rm on most teams (Fua, dot, hypercarry) except Break teams in which Robin is not nearly as useful as Ruan Mei obviously
Agree
Indeed a hot take , as in dot team ruan mei is better. The only situation where robin is better than ruan mei is when hp pool of enemy is low. Where she quickly frontloads dot dmg. But as we know hp pool of enemy is increasing .
In hypercarry robin can many times be better than sparkle but it comes with clunkyness as u would need to build quid pro quo galaghar to supply robin.
On the other hand ruan mei is not competing for primary buffer role in hypercarry team but rather the secondary buffer or the third as a pseudo sustain.
The competition for primary buffer team is between robin sparkle and bronya.
For dual dps . It is arguable . If allies attacks fast and quick robin is better . If allies attack strong and slow ruan mei is better.
For follow up team robin is best ruan mei is second best.
For break team ruan mei is best.
For super break team ruan mei is still the best . As hmc is the superbreak not the support to the superbreak. And ruan mei directly and Indirectly buffs hmc
Thr moment another superbreak enabler comes hmc will be replaced not ruan mei as she is not superbreak but a buff to it.
Robin can't buff these playstyles.
@@nono-lq5uy No need to yap that much to end up saying that Ruan Mei is only better in Break teams.. btw Robin is much better than Ruan mei in dot teams, just look at the average cycle clear with both characters. Robin>
@@ArchangelSunday keep coping every single trusted site , cc puts ruan mei above robin. It must be for a reason lol
@@ArchangelSundayi wonder why, oh yea Cuz Robin has an 100% Action Advance for the Whole team
RM vs Robin is pretty much BH vs FF at this point. 😂😂
I feel like Hanya is really good unit that gives Attack, Speed and Damage Bonus to one unit which is really helpful for Super Break teams since they scale off Speed and some Break unit such as Firefly can convert extra Attack into Break Effect. Plus she also gives SP for Firefly's SP heavy playstyle. If you do not have Ruan Mei or she is occupied for the other team. You can easily use Firefly, Harmony MC, Hanya and Gallagher as 4 star team which will do good in MOC.
Imo if you luck of harmony for superbreak(example rm for boothil and you need another harmony) asta way better since she have a whole team speed and deal good superbreak dmg too
As someone who owns Ruan Mei and Sparkle, I try to make the weaker units usable by giving them a niche. For example I play Asta as a specialized fire-support with Penacony and Planetary.
However, I still struggle to find a use for Hanya... if someone has a suggestion let me know, because imo she is a 5* in design
Super Break team, with Full BE Hanya.
@@JMike-bq6rl Doesnt RuanMei just outclass? Or do you mean dropping sustain
@@thepower3620 When you only have 1 E6 character for a Physical break team like Luka or Sushang, or even Boothill without Bronya. Dealing DMG while also fixing some SP issues, and Speeding up the Break Hypercarry.
@@JMike-bq6rl I'll try with Sushang, ty.
Also running Penacony and Planetary maybe
@@thepower3620 now that I think about....Hanya is basically the same Hunt March. Generate SP, toughness breaker and speeds up Hypercarry.
Just waiting for a Harmony unit, named Nahida....else a DOT and Break crit enabler
Need e2,but even without e2 she gives alot of be and you can even give her deepcrack forgotten to give more break effect
Not making a nahida variant in penecony was such a missed opportunity with her whole dream thing.
Sparkle got done so dirty. Because hoyo never released another character that uses a shit ton of Sp apart from DHIL, Seele, and QQ she got power crept by Robin 2 patches. If hoyo releases a DPS that uses similar Sp to DHIL she would be popping off.
I think it's exaggerated to say that she got power crept, in fact, the one that got power crept was Hanya because of Sparkle. She's still really strong in hypercarry teams that need crit damage, of course not every DPS will utilize EVERY SINGLE BUFF she gives and that's okay, that doesn't mean she got power crept
Robin is my favorite Harmony and one of the reason I keep the game music on to enjoy her singing during her ultimate ^=^
as someone who every harmony unit, ruan mei is honestly overrated 😭 robin feels sm nicer
Frr, people are glazing Ruan Mei too much. They're thinking Ruan Mei is enough. "B-b-but Ruan Mei is universal 🤓☝🏻" so is Robin. Robin is arguably better than Ruan Mei in every teams with the exception of Break team obviously
has* i just realised i missed out that word lmao
@@MiIkywayCookie real😭 when i got rm i expected her to be such a big upgrade but honestly robins better
@@MiIkywayCookierobin isn't universal
@@grandgrand6754 People say otherwise, she's basically used in Hyper carry, DoT, FuA and other game modes lol
Another great video! Honestly your channel should blow up in popularity after seeing this quality!
Good luck and good wishes!
I have Ruan Mei since her first run, but she barely helps in making faster cycles in MOC. Unless its Firefly's team. But my Robin, helped my DOT, PF team, even DHIL and Jingliu team get less cycles even without Acheron on my roster. I believe the meta right now might be break, but if we compare who slots the best among the others - Robin benefits more teams. Especially when units like Yunli and March 7th hunt came out. I tested it many times but RM on JL/Dhil even JY teams just don't kill faster as must as people think. There's also Clara who is an underrated character which has a FUA buff from Robin. Then a free unit like Ratio, just slot pela + Robin he can destroy AS. So I don't see the argument that RM fits more teams as break units that want her are Firefly and even Boothill would at times want Bronya more. I could be wrong of course, I own all harmony units and this is my genuine experience. :)
100% agree
Idk what Ur doing wrong but how is robin an sp neutral useful for dhil. The action advance is crazy and an extra 20 crdmg is great but she provides less straight buffs than ruan mei. Ruan mei is way better against high hp pool enemies as well.
@@grandgrand6754 idk, RM never helped me cleared within 5 cycles which is what I need for my JL & Dhil for any floors that have their respective element weakness. The key thing I notice that people get wrong with using Robin, is using her as a back-up + cycle. Pop that ult before the cycle ends. But what I usually do is ult ASAP give her energy back with Tingyun. So I'm not sure how you play your Robin. Recently, you can even use Robin with Acheron + JQ calcs proving she is better than sparkle on that area too for Acheron.
@@sobeeberly7680 bruh I also pair my robin with tingyun, a very strong duo.
@@FuXuan1999also known as the neck injury duo
I lost my 50/50 on ruan mei banner to bronya and sparkle banner to welt🙂
Honestly imo Ruan Mei is slightly overrated she has overall great buffs and is very universal but in terms of meta Robin is arguably better; her buffs are stronger for atk scaling teams which is a large majority of comps, for example dot with Robin is better against off element enemies, fua teams are obviously better with Robin, etc the only teams that Ruan Mei buffs more are break and blade teams and the latter is notorious for being meta irrelevant, another factor is the team wide advance makes Robin way better for getting lower cycle clears in moc and pure fiction and use up less av in apoc, Robin will also get better with more fua characters and even one of Acherons bis teamates with jiaoqiu in summary Ruan Mei is like a jack of all trades good at all but not the best for any minus break teams
Ruan mei give 10% speed and toughness reduction. We all know that this game tutorial started with what is toughness 😂😂😂😂
@@matteoren6702 what?
the fact that they powercreeped sparkle 2 banners after with Robin by a mile is crazy, i will be more careful in the future with my units, actually a good thing that i didn't get Yunli since she seems so easily replaceable too
sparkle is still the 3rd best pull from 2.0 as of now, robin and blonde boy are the best.
@@AlwaysThirstysNope I would disagree sparkle is very much replaceable in almost every team she is in by either bronya or hanya , except her bis team.
@@AlwaysThirstysya with Feixo Broyna is more useful so it’s not looking good.
She was made for dragonboy & seele and thats it and seele isnt meta anymore so just dragonboy.
Robin is made for fua comp
She goes well with 'fua' than a single character.
U can use her in PF with herta himeko , hunt fua comp >>dr ,numby (no topaz, numby do all the work)
And what i seen is she is also giving better clears in jingliu comp now 🫠
That 100% advance all time is anyday very valuable.
i got yuni instead of Hanya
I have all of the support character in the game, I'm planning to pull for the next harmony character that gets released
I agree with a large amount of this tier list, but hmc kinda needs to be in the "meta" tier. I don't even like super break and I feel likergis mechanic is broken. If you're able to solely carry the top dps on your back and they literally can't do ANYTHING without hmc+ all the characters that perform well in super break like Sushang, Xuyei, and Luka, that's the literal definition of "Meta"
i don't roll units based on meta or kit but i am pleased to see that robin is doing well rn :)
i would argue to swap hmc and sparkle
BASED !!!!! finally someone who sees robins true value
WHY DO YOU NOT EVEN HAVE LIKE 1K SUBSSS WHATTTTTTTT
Im glad i have all Harmomy characters so far at this moment because i can choose whenever i want for my team comps more easily Sunday when he comes can be a really good option but it would depends on his kit when hoyo realesed him in the future
Not a bad video but at this point Broyna and Sparkle are on the same lvl of not Actually in Broyna favor. ( At E1S1+ )
I adhere that Robin supports better than RM, but the extra weakness break efficiency is too good for Robin to dethrone her.
sooo what your saying is pull for every single Inteligiencia guild user?
Just a small correction, Ruan Mei is a member of the Genius Society, same as Herta and Screwllum, the intelligentsia guild is Ratio's faction and different from the Genius Society
@@SmashTheAdam ah mb with ratio calling himself a genius every 5 seconds it gets confusing sometimes
@@voidbg7017 yeah it's easy to mix them up, it's all good :)
(Using Meta DPS to rank the 5☆ harmony units):
1. Robin the best option with pratically every DPS and if is not the best, is the second best.
2. Ruan Mei. Exist a low Number of best in slot for her but she have a universal best in slot in Super Break.
More liked FF, Boothill, Superbreak (in DoT Robin is better, people use Ruan Mei because it's Comfy and Robin is a must in Critical comps)
3. Bronya. Simply because she's more used as the third option than Sparkle in 0 cycles with a good synergy with Robin contrary to Sparkle and Bronya is the actual best in Slot for Boothill alongside with Ruan Mei
She have normally a SP negative playstyle, but her signature LC and if you get some of her eidolons, she can becomes more SP positive similar to Sparkle (only after E4).
4.Sparkle. Only have 1 Best in Slot DPS and is surpassed by Robin in every comp, mostly because Sparkle action advances sucks for overall meta characters and her own buffs are not universal as Robin and Ruan Mei, buffing only a massive Critical, ok damage bonus, negative atk buff for non quantum (and this is because she gives a lot of SP in her ultimate and unlocks a unique gameplay with 7 SP cap).
ME, personally, think that Sparkle will become the Blade from the harmony, because without her E1, she's pretty bad, doesn't give any advantages besides SP than Ruan Mei, Robin and also the meta characters and sustainless teams prefer Bronya over Sparkle.
her 50% action advance works perfectly fine for me
I guess we wait for a Quantum Destruction
@@tavinhoo The point is more that fast DPS are the actual meta, doesn't change that much (mostly 0 ~ 2 cycles) making they really slow for Sparkle carry they eith 160 or 168 eagle speed, even more if you remember that Robin does this way better and low investiment cost, making Viable characters like Topaz/Feixiao that have 160 ~ 150 speed strong or even stronger at 134 ~ 110 speed in AoE comparing to Sparkle.
Honestly this is the reason why I'm hesitant to pull on her rerun because I would also think we will have a better bronya in the future
@@JMike-bq6rlXueyi found dead in a ditch.
bro the victoria justice clip for yukong 😭😭
I would switch Hmc and Tingyun since Hmc is really meta right now and that tingyun doesn’t shine as much in this meta even if she’s rlly good. Out of that the tierlist is perfect
Hot take, sparkle is not nearly as good as harmony MC
Sparkle is not part of the top 3 best teams of the game on ST, unlike HMC being part of one (firefly) and a decent replacement for bronya on another one too (boothill)
Sparkle also can't elevate a full f2p team to the same level a HMC can, is so much easier to make a 4 star only clear with HMC than with sparkle
Sparkle scales better with eidolons like the E2 of acheron but if you need to invest on eidolons to win against hyperbloom 2 then there is no point, acheron E2 can clear anything by herself anyway
Don't get me wrong, sparkle is still one of the best pulls of the game, and danheng IL is still the third best carry on Blast (3 targets)
But aside from danheng IL, seele (lmao) and qingque, sparkle is not really the best option in other teams, ruan mei, robin and HMC give her a run for her money until hyv stops releasing break/FuA/dual carrys
@@gazakanastill i think the meta will shift again, just because there are more fua and break unit currently, plus her sp generate kind of useless consider outside dhil team or qq
@@phátlâmtấn-p9uwelp a meta change won’t help her at all both Broyna and Robin beat her in every way so unless a one off SP hungry DPS releases she’s really useless.
I think it is not a hot take at all. I think they kinda droppped the ball by not giving us a hypercarry sp spender character for a long time now. They could have easily made Boothill or Yun li that .
@@The_CodFish69Bronya only beats her with Eidolons and Signature. Let's be real, she's so much more annoying to use at E0S0
Both my best teams use RM and Robin. RM is more compatible with Break, while Robin is more universal at this point.
Break team is E2S0 Firefly, E1S0 Ruan Mei, E6 Gallagher and E6 HTB.
Follow-up Attack team is still being worked on, I'm eagerly waiting for Feixiao and Moze to drop. My team is going to be E0S0 Feixiao, E1S0 Robin, E0S0 Aventurine and E6 Moze (hopefully).
Imo robin > ruan mei
Ruan Mei's buffs are universal. Even characters like Blade and Jingliu with their self buffs can appreciate her Res Pen Buff, Speed and Break Efficiency. She is one of the most universal team wide buffer. With a debuff to delay enemies actions
@@Gaurang_Karande Being universal doesnt mean she had better amp than Robin, except Break team, in almost every team Robin outperform RM
@@Gaurang_Karande robins buffs are also universal, even blade scales with attack (not as much as he scales with hp but its not non-negligeable). the only buff that doesnt benefit every character is the 25% crit damage for follow up attacks from her ultimate. also, now with yunlis release the characters that want the enemies to attack has increased and robin performs better in those teams.
Robin is functionally the best support in the game taking all of Ruan Mei's non break team comps and being significantly better than her on those comps from Dot to dual to hypercarry. Teamwide action advance is not to be trifled with
@@Ilikegames804team-wide advance can be partially replicated with Dance. The fact that Robin does not work well with Break teams already disqualifies her as the best Support. Right now, Super Break is the meta whether you want to admit it or not, and the one character that greatly buff all teams she's a part of INCLUDING Break teams is Ruan Mei.
Just a question though. With regards to all-type res down/pen, vulnerability and def shred/pen, what's the difference between those? Because Ruan Mei has all type res pen on ult and E1 allows for def ignore, and Robin's E1 is an all-type res pen instead. I'm just wondering is there actually a significant difference with those two?
tbh i think harmony trailblazer should be in the meta tier, they are currently in one of the if not the best team rn (firefly, ruan mei, gallagher, harmony mc)
is it just me or do I have an addiction with harmony units
I literally pulled and maxed them all
Made it my mission to always get the supports.
Only missing Bronya now
I think Bronya should be higher than Tingyun and Trailblazer. She has many teams, while Tingyun is mostly used in hypercarries and Trailblazer in break teams.
Idk why but when I tryed the top 3 supports from my friends in honkai because I don't have any of them I felt like Sparkle is the best and I also have dan heng il and and I feel like with her skill point thing she is a really good unit I tryed robin too but if I don't have a fua team what team comp yall recommend? I lost my 50/50 to sparkle and I really need a supporter I have bronya but I need someone stronger
Just swap Bronya and Tingyun and this list is fixed.
3:06 the Bronya tier is completely wrong, Bronya value never goes away she keeps rising over and over her value went up from boothill, and then Jade, and now March and soon feixiao all favouring Bronya her value KEEPS RISING.
Where as sparkle her value keeps FALLING drastically, all of her good teammates before have been replaced by Robin, oh u want to use sparkle with Acheron? Nope Robin does better, want to use e2 dhil? Nope Robin does better, jing yuan? Nope Robin does better, there’s a consistent pattern of Acheron losing her synergies to Robin and ruan Mei, the only units sparkle is best for is argenti, Qingque and a e0 dhil, every other unit in the game does better with a Robin.
Sparkle is worse than Bronya, especially due to the rise of Gallagher to provide sp so Bronya can be used in more teams.
The real harmony rankings are..
1. Robin
2. Ruan Mei
3. Bronya
4. Sparkle
I have both bronya and sparkle, and i musy say the cleanse really save the sustainless run but for people like me who have skill issues in skillpoint, gotta have sparkle to e4 for comfort. 😅😅😅
The only good thing about bronya is the 100% advance. Sparkle just outclasses by a lot.
That's correct sparkle is such a scam character doesn't provide any damage that others can't do better and only helps with Dan heng Teams
@@ZeroTheBotHer damage bonus is far more superior than Sparkle and actually gives alot of atk hence why if sp isn't a problem sparkle will always be worse
@@candleplays8030You're only saying that now cuz Dps and supports nowadays do big numbers without eating sp but if they made another Character that does double the sp usage of The meta units rn whether support or dps sparkle will be the best to run along side them
so mad i lost the 50/50 to gepard on robin’s banner ;-;. ill be sure to get her come her rerun
bronya at 6/9 place not because she's bad but that there are better units makes you wonder if the game should be named Harmony: Star Rail
People will say Robin is more superior in alot of cases but the gap between them is very small despite the fact that Ruan mei provides many other things such as Sp and Res Penetration
the gap is not small based on testing but whatever, keep ignoring the cycle difference.
the gap is not small. i did the moc 3 cycles more faster with robin. the team was jing yuan, tingyun and aventurine.
@@falopit9870 lmao ruan mid copers are insane, I saw a youtube say "Ruan mei just has so much more in her kit in terms of numbers" and almost all calculations are in favor of robin, whether by overall team damage, cycles, or just damage per hit.
Why are there so many. And why are they all so good.
Nah sparkle is overrated af outside of copium seele and midbibitor fraudnae every other team shes a downgrade over robin or ruan mei
Calm down my man
Robin is the best, i have both btw
Which one is better ruan mei e1 or robin e1
Robin e1. Is a lot better
JUSTICE FOR SPARKLE SHE DESERVES #1 INSTEAD OF MIDBIN AND RUAN MID (definitely not coping. Btw very good video)
bro……💀
@@daryaromanova8453bro he’s right? sparkle is def number 1. midbin/ ruan mid are worthless compared to her. will def E6 S5 her on re run, smh. (not coping)
my glorious queen sparkle on top!!!!!
Realll🥶
JUSTICE FOR OUR LITTLE RACIST
Honestly Ruan mei is not all that If you want more damage and an amazing boost just use robin Ruan mei is good in break teams but overall damage boost she lacks
tingyyn is not all that yea she gives energy but most chracters can retore energy fast and her slot can be placed with some one better
4:51 once again like sparkle, you are completely wrong here, tingyun has been losing so much value and her usage rate in mic and pure fiction had fallen off tremendously due to the rise of units who energy doesn’t do shit for them, like Acheron (has no energy), firefly (tingyuns energy is too minuscule to matter), boothill (simply doesn’t need the energy), she’s seen less and less value as time goes on.
Not the Ruan Mid glazer making a harmony tier list😂
I don't think you understand what the term mid means
Aren't tier lists supposed to be subjective?
aeon mei > deadbin cry bout it
4:23 I'd say that Gallagher is Bennett of star rail not Tingyun
Bennet was a 1.0 unit just like tingyun that’s where the comparison comes from
With all the dps characters that kinda depend on tingyun,(seele jingyuan, argenti, yunli, Clara, yanqing) it's more likely for it to be tingyun over Gallagher for that title
@@yrn_serios I mean Gallagher is
1) a man
2) fire type
3) a healer
👍
Tingyun's better than Bruhnya ???? Interesting issue...
sparkle and hmc should be swapped
That's so bs if enemy goes into weakness immune state Harmony Mc becomes literally useless
I have all of them, except for Robin T-T
rip you if you want fei
@@sadgeplatinum19 nah, I'm getting Robin next patch. I have enough jades :D
@@thatartistdude4141 Good for you :D I gave into my gambling addiction and pulled her on first banner even though I wasn't planning to and luckily won the 50/50.
@@sadgeplatinum19 Nice! I didn't pull for her first because I was saving for Firefly. And I don't have a solid follow-up team
I just wanna say Asta can be a great replacement for ANY account that does not have Ruan Mei or Robin.
What? You need a DOT buffer that buffs everyone but dont have Ruan Mei or Robin? Use Asta. Speed is so good alongside her ATK% buff. Dont have Ruan Mei for Firefly team? Use Asta. She gives fire dmg boost, speed to take more turn, and obviously atk%. Dont have Robin for dual DPS comp? Asta is great. Dont have Robin? Use Asta alongside Dance³ with superimposition. Albeit less dmg boost compared to Ruan Mei or Robin, Asta is still usable.
For those who is new and do not have Robin or Ruan Mei, please do not look down on Asta being a free unit and are always low on tier list. Its only compared to *OTHER 5 STARS*. She will be your best friend in a new account and is a good option
She's also good in Superbreak comps for people who don't have Ruan Mei (in fire weak stages, anyway), as her bounce skill can both help whittle enemy toughness and do good damage too if you build BE. I'm surprised that specific niche was never brought up
robin better wbk
Mom the kids are fighting again. Only now they're tired of um actually bronya is significantly better then sparkle to Robin is actually arguably better then ruan mei, who is rather over rated.
Sparkle >
Remember when everyone thought sparkle would be op and to skip ruan for her but then now that she's here she's barely even competing against bronya and is inferior to both Ruan and Robin💀
👍
Barely competing with bronya is definitely not a very accurate description of what sparkle really is. She makes any team SP positive and made a lot of non meta teams S tier level
@@alcindocaldas7468 Most meta characters don't even eat up sp as much lmao and what team has she made s tier?
@@candleplays8030The only reason that Sparkle isn’t as good now isn’t because she’s bad, she’s just more of a support for “trade Sp for big damage” characters, which is only DHIL and QQ right now.
DHIL and Jingliu are pretty good with Sparkle. Maybe not the top teams but can brute force most content. The only reason why Sparkle doesn’t seem as appealing now is because so much content is catered around break, and dual dps comps are getting more and more popular.
@@violet9530 Robin is better for Dhil and Her massive crit dmg is wasted on Jingliu bronya buffs better for her
sparkle is very overrated haha i rank her 4th or 3rd.If u know how to manage ur sp then u dont actually need her and her buffs are kinda okayish with mediocre buff
🎉🎉🎉 true i think sparkle really help my skill issues lol, i keep spamming skillpoint 😂😂😂
She is hard to build too , getting speed and crit dmg substats both in each relic pieces is just too hard for atleast F2p like me
@@soulfulhuman8724 I mean she is heavy invested, and i only build her about 153 speed and 200 crit damage thank to having her lc....It's tough farming for her than ruan mei and bronya
@@phátlâmtấn-p9u tbh i use rainbow set for bronya , not even 2 piece combo bcz its equally hard to grind a full set with crit and speed substats.
Although bronya needs 133/143 for dps switch swap combo , she is relatively easy to build than sparkle
Although hyperspeed bronya is another story.
OOooof
Sparkle sucks, I want the jades I spend in her and Imbibitor back 😔
Tell me why I was gonna get sparkle for my Dan hang 😭
@@riyanigam7656 he really strugle with the actual content, not enougt damage
Yeah my dhil is just doing zero damage anymore. Was gonna pull sparkle to help him but im going to skip her for robin next patch.
5:57 also wrong here, she’s worse than ruan Mei, Acheron teams a team that attacks slow prefers her over any other units even, she’s way stronger than ruan Mei
Well sparkle is better than both for Acheron. And that’s E2 Acheron lol. A singular example doesn’t mean shit
@@joaosantos-uj9uwwrong, E2 Acheron's best team is Jiaoqiu, Robin and Gallagher. Sparkle is only BiS for VERY skill point hungry DPS like DHIL and QQ, her AA is worse than Bronya's and Robin's. I wouod only compare Sparkle with Robin and Ruan Mei with vertical investment into her
meh
sparkle is mid. rm and robin>>>
The fact that Robin doesnt provide SP and has energy problems at E0S0 makes her inferior to Ruan Mei. Ruan Mei provides unconditional 10 speed buff, toughness reduction, additional break dmg, all res pen, and delay to all enemies during break makes her more universal since she can unconditionally buff every unit in the game ATK, HP, or DEF scaling
THIS! People are forgetting that without a FUA team, getting Robin's ult up is a pain without her LC or a battery [Huo Huo/Tingyun] to use her. Once she leaves her state, her energy is at best 45%-50% if you have a team that moved fast enough. RM comes out the box swinging. "Universal doesn't mean the best" is so untrue when res pen and spd are such key components to large dps numbers.
Finally, some people are saying it. Robin is a better buffer for quite a few teams, but my god is she iffy at E0S0 and this is from someone who owns her, especially if you have an SP hungry team (altho she isn’t really used in those, bc all the SP hungry DPS aren’t top meta atm). People are all looking at numbers & some more numbers. Yeah, robin can clear 1/2 cycles faster for the teams she’s in, which does make her objectively seen the better unit but this is with the pretty low hp pools (considering we have such insane damage dealers rn) due to her giving an insane amount of frontloaded damage. We know from leaks that enemies are just going to get tankier & tankier, and this’ll reduce her effectiveness.
I’m not trying to downplay robin at all, she has multiple teams where she’s objectively uncontested in, but ruan mei can pretty much not be powercrept unless someone can be as universal as her and just be better at it. Also also, if you look at robin’s buffs, they are quite a lot more potent than ruan mei’s. And the fact they had to be this potent to beat her (at the cost of being a bit less universal) just tells how insanely strong ruan mei has been and still is.
imo robin > ting > ruan/sparkle
tingyun over Ruan Mei is crazy
@@jcrey-zg7fv is it?
@@akmal1264 break team, dot bis, can work dual and hypercarry, break delays, res pen, weakness efficiency for apoc. Tingyun is only known for her decent buffs, good av advance and energy
@@jcrey-zg7fv break team: yes
dot bis: lol no
can work dual/hypercarry: can ≠ bis, outside break other harmony better
break delay: is it even matter?
res pen: just another dmg amp, why even mention this?
weakness efficiency: break and apoc stuff, other than that not very impactful
Ting av advance and energy stabilize the team dmg, lower number but attack more often. Kind of like robin but much worse. While ruan is just an amp.
@@akmal1264 break delays makes clears so much easier as it can reduce rng with certain attacks (like automaton, stuns, sleeps). Ruan Mei is better than Robin in dot. Res pen is way more valuable than a mere 52% dmg buff which ruan mei does more. It’s like saying def reduction is just another damage amp like flat atk. Attack is nice but is an easy freeloaded stat every dps uses.Tingyun is chained to hypercarry and that’s it. It’s like trying to argue sparkles more universal than ruan mei across all teams. Tingyun is BIS for mainly energy based comps and that’s about it
Just here to see the Robin simps cry and the world burn :,)
here to see the ruan mei glazers be wrong...
@yoyododo9234 you're one of the Robin simps ? Tbf I don't care I have both and I find it funny to see people fight over useless things... welcome to the internet I guess xD
@@puck9222 simp for neither, I like sparkle better.
I just simp for correct theorycrafting
@@puck9222 Your comment aged like milk.
TLDR
Ruan Mei: way more utility
Robin: more personal damage