RED KOMODO 6K vs. BMPCC 6k // Best Camera under 10k?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- RED KOMODO 6K vs. BMPCC 6k // Best Camera under 10k?
Blackmagic crushed the camera market with the bmpcc 6k when it came out. Since that day this camera is for its value still unbeaten but now comes the RED KOMODO. Promising RED's famous image quality in a body for 6k $.
Let's find out if the RED Komodo is better than the bmpcc 6k.
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00:00 Intro
01:10 Blind Test
01:47 Handling & Built
03:23 Boot Time
03:50 Audio Test
04:17 Battery Life
05:15 Menu & App
06:40 Autofocus
07:18 Low Light
08:06 Dynamic Range
09:38 Image Quality
11:00 Post Production Workflow
12:05 Slow Motion
13:19 Shutter
14:00 Cost & Conclusion
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I'm so glad I found your channel. Great video and Thank You!
Hi Carlos thank you really much really appreciate your feedback :) I’m following your channel for so long now :)
Amazing review! I can’t wait until you drop the red review as well! Keep it up!
Thanks mate will do very soon :)
I prefer the black magic hands down but i love REDs RAW settings
Thanks for your feedback 😌
So much great info Paule.... Just subscribed
Thank you I really appreciate that.
Awesome comparison...really well done. I own a DSMC2 RED and a Pocket 6K. I had always heard the chatter about how good the pocket cams are for their price point, and am beyond impressed with the Pocket 6K after using it for a couple months. Is the RED better?...yes, but the Blackmagic has no business being that close in quality at that price point. If BM had priced the 6K at twice what they did it would still be a good value.
Thanks mate I really appreciate that. I totally agree with you. It’s simply amazing what Blackmagic squeezed in this camera. :)
Same. Got a komodo and a 6K pro and in a lot of instances it's hard to tell them apart.
I'm loving that Komodoooooooo! Looks really great!
Thanks Aaron. Yes it does look awesome.
very well done. indeed they are close but I also prefer the komodo. lookig forward to more komodo content
Thanks. Yes will definitely upload more Komodo content soon
i think this shows you just how much of a good value bmpc is
It really is. Totally love this camera
@@pauleporterdp Was wondering if you have any thoughts on the BMPCC 6k vs a ZCAM E2-S6 for example or a Sony A7S III? I'm an aspiring filmmaker but pretty inexperienced. I want to transition into a cinema camera from shooting on my phone.
Kommodo ❤️ i would buy it one day. Currently, i think I don’t use much my cameras 📷 (canon eos 700D & Sony A6000). I think many new cameras are just getting too expensive.
Tangent; Regarding the raw bit depths, and why the fewer bit codecs are close to Reds codec with more bits; braw and ProRes Raw are log curves, I.e. color/DR are compressed by curve into fewer bits before the compression stage. Red has a patent on raw linear video compressed codec (and a lot of lawyers), so no one else is implementing linear raw. So because the others manufacturers are using log, they have more information per bit. In the case of Sony and Atomos, the compressed log raw is created from 16 bit linear output of the camera, so effectively we know many raw codecs use 16bit linear as the input, it is only the output and how you get there that is very different.
Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for the video! I think the BM 6K holds up really well it's surprising actually how good it looks. Maybe Red looks better because it's Red, yeah better in the highlights. Have you learned to rack focus so well that you don't miss AF?
Thanks Martin. Yes both of them are very close. Yes for me it’s totally fine to focus manually. With focus peaking it is very easy. ;)
Great comparison. Man they are Close but I Like the Red a Bit more
Thanks for your feedback mate
Loved the video!! Wondering how you graded the BMPCC? Looked great and held up with the RED! Nice job!
Hi Nolan, thanks. I graded them manually. I added contrast and Saturation that’s it ;)
@@pauleporterdp wow, nice work! I have the BMPCC4K with an ir filter but always struggle to get that nice color in mine!
I watched the german video without even understanding any word, because it's beautiful.😝😂
Edit: Thanks for the effort you take to create this awesome video. When i watched the 22min long other video, i wished for a English subtitles. 💯😀
Ha ha thanks mate ;)
Great comparison. The P6k seems to hone in on what a filmmaker needs, and the Komodo has features that add value, of which the filmmaker may use on occasion, or not need them. The global shutter issue for shooting sports would be one of those must-have features for some, and thus a deal breaker. The Under 10k comparison, actually gives the 6k too much room to add expensive accessories, where for the same price as the Red one could add enough high-end components to diminish the utility of the Red at that same $8200 price point. An URSA mini G2 (with the $1000 EVF added) vs the Komodo would probably be a more fair comparison as the initial price point is about the same.
Thanks for your feedback ;)
URSA Mini G2 is only 4.6K so a comparison to the Pocket 6K does make sense
Great video, Sir!
I'm a new sub.
Thank you I really appreciate that
good video . I like bmpcc 6k more. has a softer filmic look . but I agree red highlight roll off much nicer
Thanks for your feedback :)
Nice video! Subscribed.
Thanks mate :)
Very good and neutral comparison video. I know it takes a lot of time to compile all these shots and to sort of draw a conclusion. Thank you very much for investing the time, it helps us all and is a great documentation, too. // As a quick question: on the Komodo I can only use active microphones, meaning the camera does not output +48V phantom power unlike the bigger REDs?
No it unfortunately doesn't output phantom power. Thanks for watching and commenting ☺️
@@pauleporterdp What a speedy reply. Thanks so much!
You’re welcome :)
Hello Paule, thank you for that review. I find my pocket 6k fan is so noisy but in your video, the rode does not pick up that noise. I wonder if you can pick up the noise with the internal microphone.
Yes you can hear it with the internal mic ;) Glad that you liked the review
cool video, i like the explanations you give. what do you think about the the Panasonic s5 is it good ?
Hi thanks for your feedback. I haven’t personally tested it yet but from the specs it looks promising:)
They’re pretty close!! 🎥
Yes indeed
I Love this one. Totally prefered the RED. But they are close
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching :)
3.30 --> "....boot time of the Komodo 6K camera is 25minutes....."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
The fact that i cannot understand whether you said that on purpose or not , makes your comment PRICELESS in terms of true feelings. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Thank you for the personal time that you invested in order to create this video. 💗
Ha ha thank you ;) it’s 25 seconds but hey I’m a German so :D
Great comparison video Paule! What ISO did you use on the Komodo for the 120fps test. Maybe it was set too high? You can get a super clean image with a lower ISO setting. Even in very dark scenes. Maybe that's why it was THAT noisy!? Oh and did you apply chroma noise reduction in post for that shot?
Thanks Ivan :)
On the 120p shot I’ve used ISO 800 which normally isn’t noisy on the Komodo. I also did blackshading when I set the camera to 120p and Chroma Noise reduction was enabled. :)
@@pauleporterdp ok thanks for the quick reply! Would love to see the same shot with ISO 400 or even less though. Shot a green fire torch at night some days ago @120fps and ISO 400 and the shadows were absolutely clean. Really curious how that might look in normally lit environments like your test.
Yesss
Thanks for your comment
What do you think about that speedbooster for P6k? Do you recommend it as a purchase? And thanks for this clip. Subscribed.
Thanks mate. Yes can highly recommend I’m still using the speedbooster :)
Excellent video! How do you think the Komodo and Bmpcc 6K compare to the C70 in terms of image quality?
I’ve tested the c70 a couple weeks ago. The c70 is better in terms of Dynamic Range than the bmpcc. So it should be really close to the Komodo. But will try to get another c70 to test then head to head.
Wow! I've loved BMPCC more than RED from the blind test.
Thanks for your feedback mate
Same here ! Thought that was RED !
Thanks for sharing.
What about IR Pollution comparison??
The Red doesn’t have that
Great video but looking at your pocket 6k it seem like you have the magic booster attached hence why the colour difference and the less sharpness from the pocket 6k, in my opinion i still think the Pocket 6k is better , the Komodo OS is slow and isn't quite there yet , also the lack or 60FPS , Dual Native ISO and anamorphic mode is something that made me pick the pocket 6k over the Komodo , because with a great DP and an excellent colourist you can get any look you want from both Camera, but the #Pocket6k is better
Thanks for your feedback.
@@pauleporterdp Are you using the magic booster on this?
Did you compare with speedbooster or without? Noise in highspeed is very much speedbooster depending.
I used the speed booster yes.
Great review! I love my 6K but the rolling shutter is my only gripe.
I think they could do a lot more with the Camera control app also but it's an entirely
different developer. Works perfect with the Ronin RS2 but needs extras to get it on my dinosaur Ronin MX.
Thanks mate for your feedback
How is the 24-35 f/2? I've been eying it for a bit - seems awesome. Any complaints I should know before buying?
Hi mate. It’s awesome it’s my favourite glass. It’s very sharp and produces a nice image.
@@pauleporterdp thanks man. Much appreciated! I liked and subscribed - let me know if there is any other way to help out. Appreciate your hard work!
Hi great video! I was wondering if you were using bee colour science on the blackmagic pocket 6k? Gen 5?
At that time gen 4 since 5 wasn’t available
@@pauleporterdp thanks Paule. I’m trying to decide which camera to get and if I can justify the extra $5000 for the better image of the red and the handy autofocus ability. Can you see the autofocus guides on the Komodo when using an external monitor or does it need to be viewed from the Komodo screen?
Maybe I’m crazy, but in most footage I see the Komodo looks every “digital” where as I see very film like qualities in the Pocket 6k. I’m not sure why, or what about the image gives that feel but I can tell it’s there.
Thanks for watching and your comment.
So the bmpcc has a very organic look which I really like. Not sure if it’s due to YT compression but I could definitely tell on my screen the Komodo has that look too. :)
Subscribed
Thank you Isaac. Really appreciate that :)
Did you use cst for the rec709 conversion on both?
Yes exactly :)
i must say its pretty much neck an neck in terms of image quality. biggest differences are imo continous autofocus (RED) vs 1 time autofocus (BMPCC), EF vs RF mount, and file sizes (BMCC6K u can have BRAW in 1:3 too 1:12, dont know how big file sizes are on RED. also RED has better build quality but does that really matter much? not for me. Really interested in the focal reducer u use for the BMPCC 6K, could u link it? i would spend the saved money on lights and audio gear i guess, so for me the BMPCC 6K :)
Thanks for your feedback mate :) check out my German channel Paule Porter there you find a detailed review of the magic booster with subtitles.
Did you enable highlight recovery option in Resolve for the BMPCC6K raw footage for this comparison?
Yes I did ;)
@@pauleporterdp Any chance to get the clouds raw samples for both cameras to play with? I only have the 4K and I’m curious. :-)
Sorry unfortunately I don’t have the footage anymore :)
Can you send me the link of speed bosternfor 6k thank you loved your videos
Sure : www.lucadapterstore.com/
The Komodo booting screen and loading reminds me of a 90’s video game.😄 3:38
That’s actually true ha ha
Would you also compare or talk about panasonic s1h
If I get one yes ;)
I prefer the Red image, but for my style I think the Blackmagic is better 😁
Thanks for your feedback mate ;)
What IR filter do you recommend?
You can use the Hoya IR filter that one works perfect for me.
Where do you get it??
I bought it from Teltec
Do you have the magic booster link?
Lucadapterstore.com
Wie befestigst du das Handy an der Komodo, wenn du die Glidecam nutzt?
Ich habe hinten an den Akkus Klett Streifen angebracht und an der Rückseite des Handys auch. Hat super funktioniert
@@pauleporterdp Sehr clever, danke !
So which camera do you prefer and why? ;)
If you have the money and good lighting Komodo - if you want to save BMPCC6k
BMPCC6K - if wanting to spend less, good for pretty much anything but I wouldn't use it for making music videos or movies. Feels like even trying (color correction, ect) it just doesn't match up to the bigger cinema cams. The only videos I found online where it looks somewhat filmic are BlackMagic's own videos (who knows if they used their better cams). Has too much of a digital look to me. There's are things I noticed, like the way the sensor handles light and somehow it makes the bokeh have a blurry feel not pleasing with my eyes where the Komodo looks more natural and I don't ever think about at all when watching something. I feel like with BMPCC6k my eyes gets distracted by those two things. Maybe because my eyes are too sensitive and notice these things on my 10bit monitor, but not on the Komodo. But I have seen nice videos with BMPCC6k, I think for stuff like weddings, commercials, vlogging, interviews, documentaries, reality shows, video portraits. Plus the control is the best one but Red beats it on the app side.
KOMODO - If wanting that film look everybody loves. Plus it has global shutter!! I mean, if you want the real filmic look on music videos and movies, then hands down it beats BMPCC6k. Or doing sports and not having to worry about that rolling shutter the pocket has.
With BMPCC6k there are ways to mimic a 'global shutter' on BMPCC6k such as recording sideways on 6k, then turn it around and zooming in on postedit. But obviously not the same lol.
I'll pick the blackmagic anyway at least for the price, it's a good bargain
Thanks for your feedback ;)
3.5mm for sound on the KOMODO?
Yes of course
Which do you like the most?
Thanks man. The Komodo for its DR.
The Red has better edge micro-contrast.
Thanks for your feedback
if i would make a film i go for the Komodo no doubt. but you say cameras under 10k its not so fare the bmpcc is half the price to komodo....a bit tricky. And dont forget a thing, in the real world film with a camera like komodo is more expensive, because you need more light, and work NR in post every shoot (thats money-time too)
Thanks for your feedback ;)
Your thoughts are appreciated, but the lab tests tell the real story from CIne D " Pocket 6k IMATEST a dynamic range of 11.8 stops at a signal to noise ratio of 2 is calculated " So Komodo must be a hair better ~13
Let’s wait what cine d says about the Komodo
@@pauleporterdp do you think Komodo can reach 13 stops of dynamic range in CineD review?
Knew Camera B was Bmpcc 6k, and liked it better, too.
Thanks for your feedback.
I really could not see any difference between them and am watching on a 5k monitor
Thanks, indeed they’re really close.
Doesn't TH-cam automatically downgrade the footage though? I mean if you upload a 4K video to TH-cam, TH-cam isn't actually going to show your video in 4K, right?
@@vladimirhorowitz correct! - it’s still 4K but definitely more compressed.
@@vladimirhorowitz Yea but YT compressed both footages. They both are really good
@@akpevbe I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a BMPCC 6k. I was thinking abou tthe Zcam for a while but it seems a little intimidating and too pricey for me atm. I just want to shoot some stuff, learn by doing, and start submitting like crazy.
Nice Peter McKinnon song
It’s epidemic sound ;)
What's a Peter McCanon?
So 6 thousand dollar camera comes out better than 2 thousand dollar camera? Hmmm. I would use the money and get two BMPCC 6k and save money on red accessories which are too expensive.
Thanks for your feedback.
Blackmagic is a good camera, but there are other good cameras out there with better batteries and ergonomics. If it’s my money I would buy the Red.
Thank for your feedback :)
yeah but they arent 2k
@@AllThingsKen If you're on a budget, then no reason to even consider the Komodo. Buy whatever gets you in the game.
I'll give you the wonky ergonomics, but IMO the battery thing is way overblown as there are so many practical solutions for powering the pocket cams. Even taking the ergos and tiny batteries into account it's insane how good the pocket 6K is for $2K.
@@loudandclearmedia Not to mention slapping a T5 ssd on the cage so no expensive cards to record to. Also screen not being on the top of the red where you can't even use it unless you're shooting down low.
But is the 3000$ difference worth it ?
That’s the question. For me it is. But it also depends on the jobs you’re doing.
Well you can buy 5 pockets 6ks for $10k so that’s the verdict
True but still there is more to that than just the price and specs
Red Komodo vs Z cam F6??
Would be great but I don’t have an F6 here anymore :(
@@pauleporterdp Right, got you :)
As a B Cam to another RED or for a armed crash cam, the Komodo.
As an A Cam to base your production around or for an independent owner operator's main camera, the Z Cam F6
@@FTGTapGod Why would you say that? Cant the Komdo stand on its own? :)
@@CedrickOlausson yes and no. The non-locking non-interchangeable RF mount was a terrible decision and makes lens choice and pulling focus difficult. I would almost not own it for that one reason.
The global shutter is obviously useful if you need it, but you most likely don't need it most of the time and global shutter comes with its own problems, like noise.
Speaking of noise, the Komodo is noisy. Especially pit against the extremely light sensitive F6. The F6 just performs better in more lighting conditions.
I can't not mention R3D. It really is a huge win for the Komodo, but after I stopped shooting on RED and moved to the Alexa Plus I was shooting mostly ProRes anyways so I'm used to that workflow and it's not a trade-off I think about anymore.
They are both viable, but I would much rather own the F6. I find the image to be cleaner and subjectively more appealing in the majority of conditions, interchangeable locking mounts is a must, the company itself is extremely communicative with it's users, and a bunch of other small differences that send me towards the F6 every time.
I think their two different class of cameras
Red Komodo is a better B cam to higher end reds
Bmpcc6k is more for the budget friendly indie film maker cause the value you get for the price is insane,
If your talking budgets don’t even consider the Red, get yourself 2 BM6k and call it a day, it will get the job done just fine, but if your doing commercial work those spec differences do matter their for I would invest in more industry standard gear, in that case the red would be great to have on the fly!
Thanks for your feedback Tyron ;)
Pocket 6k have internal spatial noise reduction that can't be disabled. That's why is softer. This is what's prevents me to buy pocket. Because some 4k cameras are sharper than pocket 6k.
Also my hacked 4k action camera with noise reduction and sharpness disabled completely have sharper and more detailed image than pocket 4k...lame...
I almost cried how much details is lost compared to cDNG. I don't get it how so many people can't notice the difference or are fine with softer image. They even says softer image is more filmic and that's ok. But I want to have more detail and more information from sensor as possible in any time...
Thanks for your feedback. Personally I like the image of the blackmagic it looks very filmic to me. Much better than the Sony cameras.
Yes I get it. But Black magic should give us an option to turn off noise reduction in camera.
Yes that would be nice. Is that possible on the Ursa?
@@pauleporterdp No...
Sure there's a difference. But is it a 4000 dollar difference? I'd say not even 400
Exactly the price difference doesn’t reflect the image difference.
The red takes 25 minutes to open. ???
Sorry for the mistake here. I meant 25 seconds
@@pauleporterdp oh ok lol , i was like whaaaaat 😂
Spoiler Alert! It's the C70
That depends. I get the c70 for testing
Ha fanboy
Thank you for your support this means a lot to me
I know how to make the comparison shorter the black magic wins it's about $3,000 cheaper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well it’s not that simple
Komodo is definitely not good for high speed shots. The pocket6K kills the Komodo. I think the DR on both is pretty similar and the pocket has definitely more than 13 stops of DR.
I think the Komodo is great for high speed thanks to global Shutter.