I'm a Christian there's no way I'm voting for him I don't even believe that was a real Bible that's why he had it turned around he knows nothing of the teachings of Jesus we need to get him out of there
It isn't about others...it is our personal relationship with him...that is why he tells us to read his word...to show yourself approved...we can't get into heaven on someone else's word or beliefs...ijs Faith and totally dependent on him.
@@sootuckchoong7077 no...in my opinion everyone should have saw 👀 his lies during campaigning...#45 is there and is only to show the enemy fulfilling... prophecy... JESUS CHRIST our LORD AND SAVIOUR is ON HIS WAY BACK! Believe it or NOT it's happening!
God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their great sins, not just small sins. What Trump is doing is very evil, great sins, destroying people and show no remorse. He lied, cheated, and divided, seperated people that God created. Proving God exists, you need to speak to the one more qualified, like a pastor or preacher. I'm not even abit qualified for this.
These evangelicals never talk about the elephant in the room! Separation of church and state. Our founding fathers had the prescience to realize this would be a problem. The Church has FAR too much influence on our political affairs. Time for it to end!
I need some help. I have been reading the Constitution and I'm having trouble finding the phrase or whatever it's called about separation of church and state. Could you point me to that section please?
It does not take an evangelical Christian clergyman to point out that the man is not a true believer. Actions always speak louder than words. The behavior and actions of the one who recently posed for a photo opportunity with a Bible in hand, in front of a church in Washington, DC, are in diametric opposition to the moral principles and lessons taught in the Holy Scriptures.
I won't say saved or not saved. Was it a photo op? for certain. there is a constant onslaught against christians in America and around the world right now and it has been going on unacknowledged for many decades. whether the President knew or not he made a statement that needed to be made. We don't accept attacking churches as the "new normal". It can lead to bombing churches and killing young girls, as in the sixties. Our choice was Hillary, a person that couldn't win when it was handed to her on a silver platter. She truly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Trump will be remembered as the deeply flaw dark horse amature that beat out an amazingly incompetent candidate that was deeply credentialed in hubris.But let's give credit where credit is due. While Candidate Trump was out stumping and having rallies candidat Clinton was havig fund raisers in Silicon Valley and New Hampshire.
@@garypendergraft1398 Hillary would have been an excellent president. Her only perceived "flaw" was that she is a woman. And one with more strength, knowledge, and grit than the majority of men! Oh, and she came to my nearest tiny city of Harrisburg, PA (and didn't call it a dump) and received no money. I made it point to study the woman, from childhood on up--the good, the bad and the indifferent. I wasn't initially a fan, but were my eyes opened! Her lifelong work ethic was/is phenomenal. The U.S. missed a huge opportunity to address our worst issues. And thanks to you dolts who decided "I just don't like her!", look what you've got now. Thanks, AHs.
@Polly Ticks Wow, you did do your homework! I, too, check and vet sources for truth. It takes some work, at least until you know the reliable (and unreliable) sources of information. People need to learn discernment! (And look up the word if they don't know what that means. It only takes seconds.) Most people want their news fast and just use their "gut" or "what they want to hear" as their fact meter. It's such a shame when there's so much at risk.
I desperately needed to hear from this follower of Jesus!! This made me validated. I’m not trying to make friends or enemies or change anyone’s mind!! I heard a believer say that Donald Trump is NOT a believer. I have always felt this.
There's a few of us nevertrump Christians out here. It's very lonely. God brings comfort and solace.🕊❤ Repentance does bring renewal.🕊❤ I'm so blessed by this!! 😊 I have to get that book!😉
nope not the first, We did try to warn you all about Drump + 666 = Weaponized Disinformation infecting the body Politics "When I see those who literally worship Trump, who to me does not exemplify Jesus' teachings, I'm reminded of the following: Revelation 13:5-8.. " Donald Trump Wants A Race War? Frank Schaeffer's Road Trip
Pope Francis to mafia: You cannot believe in God and be Mafiosi 666 + Trump + Mafia = Donald Trump's business links to the mob th-cam.com/video/-k3B-tw2sB0/w-d-xo.html&feature
As an ex-Catholic and atheist who left The Church and the (once)GOP many years ago, and whose family is devoutly religious, this made me tear up. Thank you for doing this interview
I believe your church failed you as did mine. Mine told me to vote for George W. for his reelection. I didn't sever my relationship with our Lord in fact I believe it is stronger because I saw hypocrisy and abandoned it straight away. Your tears I believe might be you miss your heavenly father's closeness. He is always there watching over you waiting for you! I was not a baptist but i recently started watching charles stanley on Sunday tv. He is a humble servant of our Lord.
@@helentaylor7132 yes, pastor said we have to save the babies and vote bush. I wonder how they feel after countless Iraqi (who had zero to do with 9/11)and Afghan babies slaughter by bombs. It's a mega church in northridge ca. I think they got a new sanctuary out of it and the school there got monies from government. It was sickening, They wonder why so many leave the church. I watch pastor chsrles stanley on tv, he seems to have his priorities right. I think he is in Georgia. I think he might be Lutheran. His voice is calming and his eyes and heart upon only the bible. Glad your church stays out of politics. They should all be that way.
@@susanhenry6834 I'm not "pro abortion" as I've been accused, but I am "pro choice." No one is PRO abortion!! I would like to see other options offered and encouraged before an abortion is considered and some sort of tighter regulations. In the end though, I think it should be between a woman and her doctor, with input from the father if he has any to offer. But yes, pro-lifers don't seem to be pro-life in other ways. Interesting stuff on that megachurch. I'm familiar with and admire Charles Stanley. I'm Lutheran, but Charles Stanley is Southern Baptist. He's one of the somewhat rare true Christians and a wise teacher. I do know quite a few true Christians, but not sure I would claim that title for myself as I'm a bit wishy-washy. Not in my faith, which has become rock solid over time and experience, but probably don't bear enough fruit of the Spirit, if you know what I mean. I will be praying for our citizens for enlightenment, our political leaders for wisdom (and protection for Biden), our country to maintain our democracy, and for our country to make huge strides in the equality of ALL, most especially, finally, people of color. You may disagree with some or all of my views here, which is fine as I don't feel threatened in any way by that. We all walk our individual walk in life, and I've been wrong before aplenty. LOL Thanks for your reply! Take care and may God bless you.
Jesus at his most vulnerable time was offered the same deal by Satan but he refused...THANK YOU LORD! Sadly seems the evangelical church took the deal. It is never to late to do the right thing and confess your sins to our father but also to your church members and ask for forgiveness. Your flock deserves a leader with eyes upon our Lord not the false phophet donald trump.
Oh so Joe Biden is a Christian? He is a crook liar and call's God the thing!!! His crimes are so many sold our country down the drain!! Trump is hated so much! God loves him God loves us all!!! All the dirt that has been done will come out! And your no pastor what did you get paid by Sorros. Saw where he's giving big amounts of money to big churches!!
@@shirleysmallwood825 God does love us all. That includes Biden. Now show your Christianity and support the next President. The job is hard enough without people supporting him.
@@shirleysmallwood825 your repeating the rhetoric you here. You definitely haven't watched the hearings and witness statements. You haven't figured out you've been conned ?
I'm so comforted listening to this wonderful man. I have family members (one generation younger than I) who have COMPLETELY LEFT Christianity because of the reasons he discussed. It's heartbreaking :-( I'm "spiritual" but not religious. I believe in God, but the God I believe in is loving, all encompassing, and within each of us. Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., etc. HAVE made a deal with the devil. It's HORRIFIC.......
Jesus is Divine (God). He came in the flesh in obedience to the Father and died on the cross for the redemption of mankind, Three days later He rose from the dead having defeated death and giving mankind hope for salvation from the consequences of their sins. That is a Christianity in a nutshell. If these elements are omitted from "christianity" it is not Biblical Christianity, it is scripturally a false religion.
@fireson23 ...... NKJV JOHN 10:29-30: “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” NIV COLOSSIANS 1:15-20 “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross” ESV JOHN 8: 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
itgetter9 My husband and I also don’t go to church anymore, and are, sadly, relieved to finally find others who feel the same about Christians selling their soul to follow Trump. Ever since our fellow Christians went all-in on Trump we’ve felt as if we were the only sane people in the asylum! We can no longer stand the hypocrisy, bigotry, and hate in the church that caused us to leave it several years ago, only to decide to give it another try just before Trump ran for office. The support of Trump finally put us over the edge for good, and we will never go back to a Christian church again.
He is repenting, which is essentially what we all need to do. A very brave man to come before all of us and tell us his sins. JOHN 8:36, remind everyone you can.
All I can say is: Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a worthy one to emulate. Thank you, Rev. Schenk, for being an honest and compassionate Christian. Thank you to Michel Martin and to Amanpour and Co. for this coverage!
This guy took too long. Pulling back after so much damage is done. Him and his lot should be in the streets begging for forgiveness for wasting the worlds time and hurting so many. He isnt showing me enough painful regret for his decisions
@@clarkpalace I understand your anger, but we should be glad he and some of these others are finally 'getting it'. That it took them as long as it did is terribly sad and unfortunate and has caused real harm, but if Christ can forgive, then so should we. Anger and bitterness won't overcome evil - only love, mercy and a lot of hard work. :)
Brother, my challenge as a Christian is believing your Damascus road experience. To me, as a Christian, Donald Trump represents the absolute worst that resides in the hearts of those who live in a state of separation from God, not in communion with God. I don't hate you....I don't hate him, or any of his followers, despite the horribly misguided and unconscious things they do - but what will it take for the so-called people of God to see that they have been duped, and that they are complicit in evil?
I agree with you. I believe that if evangelicals assess Trump correctly, they would have to conclude that he was God's test for THEIR faith, and they failed, utterly. In one instant, they turned their back on every teaching of the Gospel. For the sake of power.
@@itgetter9 I reached this conclusion independently last week. Donald Trump is an anti-Christ spirit. He is a test. For if you cannot recognize an anti-Christ spirit, how will you recognize THE anti-Christ when he appears? His carrot on the stick will be anti-abortion for Catholics and support of Israel for Evangelical Protestants because this fits into their false End Times Rapture Eschatology. His character will be obvious to some, but many will be deceived.
Tell Franklin Graham that!! Purporting to support Religious Freedom he did the exact opposite when he violently took over a Church property and interfered with a church's mission! And tear gassing innocent peaceful protesters 20 min. before curfew! And then DT45 bragged about it...blinded Evangelitrumpers are cheering this immoral (and illegal??) travesty on!!! It's the height of hypocrisy and some Christians can't even see it! This is delusion of biblical proportion.
@Pat Alessi personally, that doesn't bother me so much. The fact he's perverting the Good News of Jesus with his personal opinions does. Yes, believers can hold a variety of opinions, BUT we must distinguish that clearly from the "Thus saith the Lord" messages were putting out there. For a minister it's supposed to be ALL about Jesus when in the pulpit or at public rallies. We can't put new wine in old wine skins-- not good. I hope he repents of this folly.
When he said they were told to leave church members scared and angry for more donations from the flock...they get allegiance as a cult leader gets power over the people. This must be shared for those family members attending church stuck on trump
@spice tea Who is "they?" Don't say such a horrible thing about people you know nothing about. The majority of Christians are NOT like that. Granted, just barely a majority....
Please explain The Access Hollywood interview where Billy Bush was punished and Trump unaddressed. Why was Billy punished so harshly and not Trump? The lack of accountability for hush money paid for affairs w women in the porn and sex worker industry is unexplainable to me. How is this acceptable for any citizen, let alone our president?
Pre-Trump the word "evangelical" was an acceptable word. After Trump, I found myself asking for a sermon defining the "Evangelical Christians". It had become perfectly clear that "they" did not respect the difference between right and wrong, truth and lies, good health and intentional murder, a wage for honest labor and theft, respecting and acknowledging the worth of all of God's creatures and considering all subservient to Trump's desires alone. "They" had made a deal with the devil, and now they din't have the moral backbone to admit it. It's more important to them to fill the highest court in the land with rapists and inadequate jugheads, than to build solid case law that will survive the test of time. Well, Trump has already allowed the U.S. virus death toll up beyond 115,000, with intentions to see it grow to 200,000. "They" will have a piece of responsibility for each of those deaths. If a huge country like New Zealand can manage with so few deaths, then our high death count is due to interference and negligence.
Why hold a bible when Trump doesn't even know a simply bible verse in the bible I would like somebody to ask him the shortest verse in the bible. He don't even know he is just a jack ass
Bravo. I'm not an evangelical but an Episcopalian. We have differing views but we're both followers of Jesus who is the center of our life. I'm so pleased to hear what Mr Schenck is saying.
FINALLY!!! An honest evangelical!! Sad that you're in an extremely tiny minority. Educated and younger people see through the real motivation of evangelical leaders: Drunk on POWER!! Values be damned!!
drunk on power. tons of power in a church with 120 members. Yep, most churches are pretty powerless when you come right down to it. I've been going to church for 45 years and i've heard zero sermons on politics. Why?. Not all evangelicals are republican. But Hillary really pushed a lot of blue evangelicals into red territory when they found out they were irredeemable deplorables. Boy, irredeemable, what a choice word to use against christians when you are running for office. And the onslaught of condemnation and insults has continued from the the left without relief since.That is a real winsome way....all beatings will continue until morale improves. So, ok they don't care about the evangelical vote. Then why the nonstop pounding. well try this. Jesus said, "they hated me and therefore they will hate you." Christians are the number one persecuted demographic in the world and have been for over 40 years. According to the United Nations. Trump? Trump is Trump.....We were forced to choose between the devil we knew and the devil we didn't know. From the behavior and outright vitriol from the left we made the right choice. Ooo Ooo the president used a bible in a photo op. Somehow that makes me a deplorable. Caio.now holy cow. Vote the bum out.quit attacking each other. If America wants socialism and votes it we will have socialism. but first check out Norway and Socialism.on google.
@@garypendergraft1398 Jesus was basically a socialist and would have puked at the shenanigans of Trump. If he would not have, he wouldn't be worth following! You're following a guy that pays off porn stars (no problem!)- Grabs women by the vagina- cheats on EVERYTHING. Real Christian-like you think?
Half the country had a feeling about this almost 4 years ago. It's almost like you can hear the "pop" of his head coming out of his ass, now he's trying to warn his friends. Better late than never? VOTE like you lives depend on it. They do!
I don't think we will ever vote anymore!! The one running the show will put who they want in office. I believe it's been heading that way a long time! GOD is our redeemer!
He exposes what he sees. this takes real cajones to be public with honest perspective. He risks everything in the face of QAnon and other evil factions interlaced in the fabric of american society. The stirrings of pre-nazi take-over of a democracy called out for what it is.
White Evangelicals had some no-body have a dream while watching TV about Trump and all the White Evangelicals thought it was a sign from God.it's about sex, guns and white power. God help us this is what America is becoming! --Bonnie Robinson 🌊🐬💦💙Vote Biden \Harris!
As a Roman Catholic, I have seen this since the beginning of this Presidents adminiustration. His hypocrasy was so obvious back then. We are first Christians, praciticing and failing, but the Lord spurs us on. The man in the White House is like the Herod of that time. Saying one thing and doing another, this should all be so possible to see. Thank you Reverend Robert Schenc. Most sincere prayers.
When Trump was elected, I cried and cried, I asked the Lord how this could have happened. I was heartbroken. I am a Christian, I am not white, my parents immigrated from Mexico, I was born in Chicago. I had heard about Trump years before he ran for President. When he became a serious contender in the race, I said to myself that surely people will see him for what he truly is. That’s why I was beyond shocked and dumbfounded when the man Trump won the presidency of the United States. I became equally shocked and dismayed when so many Christians were backing him when he began his reign of terror on the immigrant and refugee community. Of course there are many Christians who see that this is against the teaching of the Bible to welcome the stranger among us. I became heartbroken again when a very prominent evangelical pastor in Southern California opened his church for full and open services in the midst of this COVID pandemic. Some of the words that pastor used to reopen his church sounded eerily like some of Trump’s. I have respected this particular pastor, I have many of his books. I thought to myself, “Not you too? Anyone but you!” Again I cried. I didn’t vote for Trump last time and I will NOT vote for him this time. I am appalled that so many of my brothers and sisters have become his mouthpiece. I was in an interchange of comments with a 70-year-old Trump supporter in a TH-cam video. Many of the commentators were Trump supporters. Well, this particular commentator said Trump is the first President he really cares about. I had to respond to him, I was very respectful of him and never once berated him for supporting Trump. He used many of the same words I’ve heard Trump use against me-without even knowing anything about me! I reasoned with him, used scripture to try to help him see the truth about Trump. I finally had to say good bye. I pray the Lord will open his eyes. As for Trump’s Christian followers, he’s told them what they wanted to hear: “I’ll abolish abortion and I’ll put conservative judges on the bench.” The problem is that I believe Trump laughed at all of them behind their back. I have no way of knowing if he truly did this, but I wouldn’t put it past him. Just like the pastor in this interview, I’ve had to ask the Lord to forgive me for hating Trump. I’ve asked the Lord to change my heart and to help me to pray for him to repent. Of course Trump has to want this for himself. I also pray that the Lord open the eyes of many Christians to see Trump truly is against all of us. I also pray Trump will not get re-elected.
When l ask my Lord, Who will be President , I heard Trump,l ask why, he said clear and loud,, he will steal to get in,the corrupt man will stir up the corruption,, he has ,,,,his own corruption,, Trump is a Antichrist',that means a person who doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ,, Trump never read the Bible
It's not just Trump. None of these politicians care about the working or poor Americans. They only care about themselves and convincing us to send them money. Why is it that most politicians are rich? Why do many politicians vote against helping everyday Americans? Why do so many people in American fail to see through the big CON that Trump is along with his political buddies from both sides of the aisle?
I don't trust this guy any further than I could throw him. "I used to be a grandstanding showman but now I've seen the light, really." Uh huh.I sense that he's an opportunist and nothing more.
@@asperhes Those of the Evangelicals and Conservatives who speak out against King Snowflake _as Evangelicals or Conservatives_ have everything to lose personally by doing so, and nothing to gain but the hope of someday retaking their churches, politics, or country back from the sway of a middle-school bitch so toxic that a foreign emperor is using him as a zero-day hacking attack on America. It's a bit like a Democrat speaking out against Fmr. Scty. Clinton at this time four years ago... nothing but shit for dinner and virtue as its own reward.
What an incredible interview! Michele, you have such a gift! Hearing Rev. Schenck discuss current Evangelical culture gives me hope for my family and me, born, raised, and living in the South. My prayer is for his message to be heard by many to change hearts and minds.
I'm a former evangelical. I was raised in the tradition and at the time of my formative experiences in the church, we (the movement) were becoming more and more political around two issues: abortion and homosexuality. Suddenly, people who believed that politics were personal and private were beginning to stand on street corners, as Rev. Schenck admits he did, above. For the next thirty years, evangelicals stood athwart the tide of rising personal freedoms and liberty and they used their literal interpretation (and one must add here, Calvinist affinity for bigotry and fear of the "other) to make themselves better and wealthier than others. This is the point at which my parents, who were both politically conservative, began to become extremists. This was the period of Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell and "family values" and moral majority movements, etc. I lived in a northern state, surrounded by many different sects of "Anabaptist" and even they were appalled by the apparent moral sludgification of their religious peers. Mainstream churches weren't effected as apparently, but those in the evangelical tradition were. Now, as they (evangelicals) mourn the loss of people like me and others younger than myself because of this complicity in the shamelessness of ideas that aren't even put forth in the Bible, they are finally beginning to step on the brakes, because this orange idiot that they've attached themselves to has suddenly "gone too far". Well, it's too little, too late for me. I've been an atheist and anti-theist for many years, and I have come to loathe and disdain any but the most private and personal faith, not because of the faith itself, but because of what it does to the person who claims it. These people allowed their incredible credulity and literal interpretations of the Bible (and barely contained racism) to make them susceptible to the casuistry of the GOP's shameless shilling over forty years and too late they realize their own responsibility and the shameful consequences, suddenly? Well it's been obvious to the rest of us for decades that this moral imbecility and rot at the heart of evangelicalism has mutated the movement into a ragged company of crypto-fascists and bigots. I say (and so do many others) that this administration's blatant and flippant pandering is what they get. If this kills off participation in church life, this is what they get. If this causes churches to go under or to have to pay taxes (while making political statements from their pulpits) that's what they get. These Sunday revenue machines need to be unplugged. Again, they could all take a hint from Bonhoeffer and Niemoller about what taking an actual stand requires. I'm a big fan of Bonhoeffer and Niemoller and I like the correlation between they and what "real" evangelicals need to do to separate themselves from politics, but again, too little too late. Their souls have been sold to an orange womanizing sociopath. Ah well. This is why Hitch said that religion poisons everything. Religious faith amazingly aligns itself with the worst impulses of the human species and this generation's complicity in this unflagging truth is just one more exhibit of the evidence that the evangelical movement has been poisoned and made into an absurdity and parody of itself.
Dave you are obviously extremely well-educated and I say you are brilliant! I am reasonably well-educated with a degree and a half and a career as a technical writer. I would simplify a few of your very high-flown words so that people who don't have your education can understand you without referring to a dictionary, but I find you absolutely spot-on. Thank you! ❤️
@@wendywhite2642 Dave, You are spot on. I appreciate your writing this. However, there is a difference between Religion and a Personal Relationship to Jesus Christ. They are very different from each other. So please try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
Do you think we would find the number 666 under that toupee of Trump's? This man you have interviewed is a reflective thinker and honest. He is a true Christian.
Thanks Reverend for speaking out. God will bless you for this for speaking out that Christians ought to empathize. 'Weep with those who weep...rejoice with those who rejoice'. Thank you for reminding us of Jesus at the tomb of Lazarus. God bless you. Keep shining as God's light in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation.
@@rrickarr you are just hearing him now. His change of mind didnt happen the day of the interview I'm sure. I'm just thrilled he's seen the light!! Sure seems he's sincere (and articulate) to me😊
I was raised devout Catholic and educated at their schools, K-HS. I saw through the hypocrisy in my early twenties, and left. Then in the early 1970's the "I Found It" movement of Evangelicals had a massive U.S. campaign, and for years we were all accosted by these people who confronted everyone on streets and in shopping areas, demanding to know if we'd "Found It". They knocked on doors and wouldn't leave us alone in our homes. NOTHING has driven me away from Christianity more effectively than Christians. I've always taken to heart the "let not they left hand know what thy right hand does" biblical demand, which is why I eventually became a Buddhist (not a religion, but a way of life). All these Christian leaders want is power over others, and of course money, and they use their congregations to achieve it.
I stand with you Rob. I was waiting to hear an evangelical who has a platform speaking out! Mr. Trump has made mockery of the presidency and i cannot understand how any God fearing individual could ever condone his behavior. All that comes out of his mouth is death! I pray for your protection and strengthening! Someone has to have the nerve to speak out and not be afraid!
I know , huh. I actually felt a little lighter,.then, I thought, 'that's messed up', why does it take a white guy saying he's remorseful and he's weeping to make me feel hopeful? Progress?
I appreciate this man's testimony and the way he has rekindled his first love and principles! He is someone needed to confront the Christian Right, challenge their blind love and support of a very corrupt and unfit political leader! Enjoyed this interview! Gives me Hope in God!
For Trump, it's also Narcissism. He loves himself more than anything else. And this is also not a Christian attitude. The words narcissist or narcissism don't appear in the Bible, but there are many verses that clearly describe narcissistic behaviors as not of God.
Evangelicals have long been willing to make Faustian bargains. So many evangelicals trade away love for personal wealth, swap community for race identification, and the decency for the seven sins. The marriage of religion with government is a deadly tendency. The USA is the first nation that does NOT establish itself on religious terms. Thomas Jefferson, built up that wall of serration.
it's as if they didn't see the man coming down the escalator. they didn't hear his inauguration speech. but, at least in this case, better late than never. thank you reverend for being brave enough to see through your past.
I am getting very itchy about the proximity of religious groups to government... there is a mesianic approach to the rethoric of this people that I find dangerous...
Sir, what you are saying is of the essence! If you have any right to do so, please tell loud and clear to your followers and the president that political stunts and photo op do NOT befit any decent church and in fact totally contradict the gospel. The church should do its job, and the State its. Mixing the two unduely has historically brought disaster in any country one can think of!
I can hear the pain of regret in bro Roberts Schenck voice. I am glad to see Gods' working in you and the love being displayed. May God continue to bless and keep you in His peace.
Evangelicals - the central message of the gospel is justification by faith in Christ. These individuals are trumpgelicals for they take their message from trump.
When I was younger I left the church-- left all organized religion-- after realizing that it really was not about God, it was about maintaining an institution, and paying salaries to employees.
Excellent observation, to God be the Glory! Don't you think it's Time for the Body of Christ to finally come together ? Don't you think we need to get our own HOUSE in order first ? Wouldn't you agree that the Body of Christ is dysfunctional ?....Do you feel we ALL need to Come together as ONE (1) Body, ? 2 Chron 7: 13-14 ....A Change is Coming ....It's in the Air......I hear a Sound......How can me and you work together to heal the Body of Christ ? Please HELP ME at The Race Reconciliation & WE ARE ONE healing Conference - JAN 2021 ....on ZOOM ......please feel free to email me: faithfilledman@gmail.com . . .Be Blessed !
Towards the end when the "Good Reverend" was listing the most urgent things American Evangelicals need to do going forward, I found myself yelling: '"GROW A PAIR" at the screen of my phone ! 🥺
I personally can have much respect for this man, though there is an important part of Evangelical and Fundamentalist culture that seems to be ignored here. It is not enough to point out only how un-Christ like Trump is and express how wrongheaded any Christian who follows him and bargains with him for power must be foolish, confused, or just coldly power seeking. To the outside observer, Christian or religious or completely athiest, Trump is an obvious hypocrite and his actions seem very against the spoken rules of what outsiders hear from Evangelicals. But having been a female who was raised in Southern Baptist and then Nazarene churches in the Midwest, I recognize Trump's behavior as being nearly a model of the male power brokers in the churches I attended. Men who could preach a hellfire and damnation to make one tremble, regarding sins of the flesh, pro life agendas, preach against lies and deceit, go on about women's rightful place in submission to men, the importance of purity and virtue, no sex outside of the Covenant of marriage with conception left up to the whims of God, and on, and on. And then those same men groped and routinely attempted to sexually assault us young teens whenever they could catch us alone, one in our church raped a 13 year old I know he did that with more than one young girl, but this was the only one that actually got reported to police. He was a respected elder in the Church who often taught and counselled the tweens and teens. Was he driven out of the Church? No, the 13 year old and her father who prosecuted the Elder were driven out. The girl's own mother sided with the elder because poor men cannot be expected to resist the charms of beautiful, young ladies. Also, her daughter had dared to wear make up and sometimes mini skirts to school so she was deemed at fault for seducing the 60 year old man. Her father, being an actual sane human being divorced his wife and won custody of his daughter due to the mother's refusal to stop forcing her daughter to attend church with her rapist while continually reminding her that the incident and any pain she suffered from it had been solely her fault for being a sinning, attractive young female who dared to not dress in loose burlap. Unfortunately, the legal system of Kansas in the early '80's just gave the elder a wrist slap and the church did have him resign from being a Youth leader, but that was all that was done to him. This along with the persecution of the victim by most of the congregation helped reinforce the continued silence of others of us who had been assaulted by this man and a few other men in the Church. The culture demanded our silence if we didn't want to feel further shame for injustice and harm done to us by men in the Church. This man, in the video has certainly met people who took the message of pro life to its deeper, misogynistic conclusion which is that women are dumb, and evil and must be controlled by men. Perhaps, he saw that attitude constantly being used and abused by men who are very like Trump, loud proclaimers of a faith that allows them to do almost anything they want, take no responsibility for any damage they cause, and that most of the men and women in the Church will continue to follow and support them because this is the expression of the spirit of control and domination that is behind the scenes in most Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches. Trump's lies and hypocrisy only makes them feel more justified in their own behavior. More Godly in fact, and him being made President helps prove to them that their behavior is truly righteous. As they often view worldly power and riches as a sign of God's favor. I'm glad this man, who may have been sincere and good left the others behind, but to neglect airing out the disgusting behavior in much of the Fundamentalist culture seems to me to perpetuate the rot in that culture that allows for the support of a man like President Trump and so I hope to see him calling all of it out plainly in the future.
This Reverend is a gem. As he says, Trump is a secularist and not a believer-thank you for speaking truth to power, sir! Michel Martin asks wonderfully relevant questions and is a great interviewer.
Reverend Robert Schenck you have given me great, respectful pause. Blessings to you for finding your center through your faithful soul searching. Your message is amazingly important for all faithful followers, and especially leaders. This is morally encouraging, my full appreciation for your message.
Matthew 10:26-28 New English Translation (NET Bible) Fear God, Not Man 26 “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Restored some of my faith in Christians. I never in a million years thought they would fall for Trumps lies. Glad to see that their are still real Christians out there.
At the end of the day you must walk you talk- these evangelicals think that using Trump to "enable the second coming of Christ", no natter the consequences, are in for a karmic surprise.
Fear, anger, love, and money make the world go around! Like this guy and other evangelicals, the GOP will come around too after November! Hypocrites abound!
So, to use their words, they made a deal with the devil, literally.
Yes literally! He looks literally afraid or saddened...I want to say devastation.
@Samy Nia it is helpful for everyone to do a bit of research before making such comments. It's all out there.
That is so true,you can't hardly trust people these days and the truth has failed.
I'm a Christian there's no way I'm voting for him I don't even believe that was a real Bible that's why he had it turned around he knows nothing of the teachings of Jesus we need to get him out of there
(Trump worked with Paul Manafort years ago. They loved religious people because they were easily fleeced.) Cult Of Trump
Today's evangelicals are turning people away from Christ, rather than to him. That is serious.
It isn't about others...it is our personal relationship with him...that is why he tells us to read his word...to show yourself approved...we can't get into heaven on someone else's word or beliefs...ijs Faith and totally dependent on him.
@Marjorie Tillman Right!
Do you believe if I say this Covit19 is God's way to handle what Trump had done? Only through this, everyone started to see the real Trump!
@@sootuckchoong7077 no...in my opinion everyone should have saw 👀 his lies during campaigning...#45 is there and is only to show the enemy fulfilling... prophecy... JESUS CHRIST our LORD AND SAVIOUR is ON HIS WAY BACK! Believe it or NOT it's happening!
God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their great sins, not just small sins. What Trump is doing is very evil, great sins, destroying people and show no remorse. He lied, cheated, and divided, seperated people that God created.
Proving God exists, you need to speak to the one more qualified, like a pastor or preacher. I'm not even abit qualified for this.
These evangelicals never talk about the elephant in the room! Separation of church and state. Our founding fathers had the prescience to realize this would be a problem. The Church has FAR too much influence on our political affairs. Time for it to end!
Amen Brother. Preach it!!!
John De Lamontaigne and pay taxes!
@@stephg4705 Yes , they should!!! Trump should too!!
They have been engaging in politics & money since the Reagan era, who gave them the green light.
I need some help. I have been reading the Constitution and I'm having trouble finding the phrase or whatever it's called about separation of church and state. Could you point me to that section please?
Trump not a Christian? Who would have imagined such a thing? Whutt an amazing thought!!!!
Right.
When did they get their first clue?
Evangelicals don’t care if one is a Christian so long as one pays lip service to it.
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Well at least I spoke the truth tonight although you just don't want to believe it
@Steve
Quite right. I'm not. Happy New Year.
The difference is, I don't claim to be.
It does not take an evangelical Christian clergyman to point out that the man is not a true believer. Actions always speak louder than words. The behavior and actions of the one who recently posed for a photo opportunity with a Bible in hand, in front of a church in Washington, DC, are in diametric opposition to the moral principles and lessons taught in the Holy Scriptures.
I won't say saved or not saved. Was it a photo op? for certain. there is a constant onslaught against christians in America and around the world right now and it has been going on unacknowledged for many decades. whether the President knew or not he made a statement that needed to be made. We don't accept attacking churches as the "new normal". It can lead to bombing churches and killing young girls, as in the sixties. Our choice was Hillary, a person that couldn't win when it was handed to her on a silver platter. She truly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Trump will be remembered as the deeply flaw dark horse amature that beat out an amazingly incompetent candidate that was deeply credentialed in hubris.But let's give credit where credit is due. While Candidate Trump was out stumping and having rallies candidat Clinton was havig fund raisers in Silicon Valley and New Hampshire.
@@garypendergraft1398 Hypocrisy, to which this pastor spoke, is the reason for a backlash against the Christian right.
@@garypendergraft1398 trump made a statement when he locked those children in cages after he took them from their families, including babies
@@garypendergraft1398 Hillary would have been an excellent president. Her only perceived "flaw" was that she is a woman. And one with more strength, knowledge, and grit than the majority of men! Oh, and she came to my nearest tiny city of Harrisburg, PA (and didn't call it a dump) and received no money. I made it point to study the woman, from childhood on up--the good, the bad and the indifferent. I wasn't initially a fan, but were my eyes opened! Her lifelong work ethic was/is phenomenal. The U.S. missed a huge opportunity to address our worst issues. And thanks to you dolts who decided "I just don't like her!", look what you've got now. Thanks, AHs.
@Polly Ticks Wow, you did do your homework! I, too, check and vet sources for truth. It takes some work, at least until you know the reliable (and unreliable) sources of information. People need to learn discernment! (And look up the word if they don't know what that means. It only takes seconds.) Most people want their news fast and just use their "gut" or "what they want to hear" as their fact meter. It's such a shame when there's so much at risk.
I desperately needed to hear from this follower of Jesus!! This made me validated. I’m not trying to make friends or enemies or change anyone’s mind!! I heard a believer say that Donald Trump is NOT a believer. I have always felt this.
With you.
With you, too. I am a Christian who is opposed to Trump with everything in me.
There's a few of us nevertrump Christians out here. It's very lonely. God brings comfort and solace.🕊❤ Repentance does bring renewal.🕊❤ I'm so blessed by this!! 😊
I have to get that book!😉
Thank you for your support everyone!! Praying for our country!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❣️
They’re willing to let the world burn to get another judge on the bench. Nice.
That's an absolute shame! The souls of men for a judge; they have certainly fallen from GRACE.
So not CHRISTIAN. Christ-ian. Their religion puts Christ first in all things...but don't follow his words nor his actions in their Bible.
RBG died so ACB could replace her. Or did Trump murder RBG? With Russian help?
And let the American people starve/be homeless. Shame on them for rushing through Supreme Court judge ahead of caring for the people
He is the first evangelical to speak up against Bunker Boy. 'Bout fracking time!
nope not the first, We did try to warn you all about Drump + 666 =
Weaponized Disinformation infecting the body Politics "When I see those who literally worship Trump, who to me does not exemplify Jesus' teachings, I'm reminded of the following: Revelation 13:5-8.. "
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(Trump worked with Paul Manafort years ago. They loved religious people because they were easily fleeced.) RICO Drump
Pope Francis to mafia: You cannot believe in God and be Mafiosi
666 + Trump + Mafia = Donald Trump's business links to the mob
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"(Trump worked with Paul Manafort years ago. They loved religious people because they were easily fleeced.) Cult Of Trump"
As an ex-Catholic and atheist who left The Church and the (once)GOP many years ago, and whose family is devoutly religious, this made me tear up. Thank you for doing this interview
I think I know almost exactly how you feel. I wish you well, friend.
I believe your church failed you as did mine. Mine told me to vote for George W. for his reelection. I didn't sever my relationship with our Lord in fact I believe it is stronger because I saw hypocrisy and abandoned it straight away.
Your tears I believe might be you miss your heavenly father's closeness. He is always there watching over you waiting for you! I was not a baptist but i recently started watching charles stanley on Sunday tv. He is a humble servant of our Lord.
@@susanhenry6834 Your church told you who to vote for?!? In the denomination I'm active in (Lutheran), that's unimaginable!!
@@helentaylor7132 yes, pastor said we have to save the babies and vote bush. I wonder how they feel after countless Iraqi (who had zero to do with 9/11)and Afghan babies slaughter by bombs. It's a mega church in northridge ca. I think they got a new sanctuary out of it and the school there got monies from government. It was sickening, They wonder why so many leave the church. I watch pastor chsrles stanley on tv, he seems to have his priorities right. I think he is in Georgia. I think he might be Lutheran. His voice is calming and his eyes and heart upon only the bible.
Glad your church stays out of politics. They should all be that way.
@@susanhenry6834 I'm not "pro abortion" as I've been accused, but I am "pro choice." No one is PRO abortion!! I would like to see other options offered and encouraged before an abortion is considered and some sort of tighter regulations. In the end though, I think it should be between a woman and her doctor, with input from the father if he has any to offer. But yes, pro-lifers don't seem to be pro-life in other ways. Interesting stuff on that megachurch. I'm familiar with and admire Charles Stanley. I'm Lutheran, but Charles Stanley is Southern Baptist. He's one of the somewhat rare true Christians and a wise teacher. I do know quite a few true Christians, but not sure I would claim that title for myself as I'm a bit wishy-washy. Not in my faith, which has become rock solid over time and experience, but probably don't bear enough fruit of the Spirit, if you know what I mean. I will be praying for our citizens for enlightenment, our political leaders for wisdom (and protection for Biden), our country to maintain our democracy, and for our country to make huge strides in the equality of ALL, most especially, finally, people of color. You may disagree with some or all of my views here, which is fine as I don't feel threatened in any way by that. We all walk our individual walk in life, and I've been wrong before aplenty. LOL Thanks for your reply! Take care and may God bless you.
Jesus at his most vulnerable time was offered the same deal by Satan but he refused...THANK YOU LORD! Sadly seems the evangelical church took the deal. It is never to late to do the right thing and confess your sins to our father but also to your church members and ask for forgiveness. Your flock deserves a leader with eyes upon our Lord not the false phophet donald trump.
Book title: the spiritual danger of donald trump.
@biDens a loser Kameltoe too let the redeemed of the Lord say so...
Oh so Joe Biden is a Christian? He is a crook liar and call's God the thing!!! His crimes are so many sold our country down the drain!! Trump is hated so much! God loves him God loves us all!!! All the dirt that has been done will come out! And your no pastor what did you get paid by Sorros. Saw where he's giving big amounts of money to big churches!!
@@shirleysmallwood825 God does love us all. That includes Biden. Now show your Christianity and support the next President. The job is hard enough without people supporting him.
@@shirleysmallwood825 your repeating the rhetoric you here. You definitely haven't watched the hearings and witness statements. You haven't figured out you've been conned ?
Wish this would get a few million views.
I am not, but, If you're on FB please post this link! This does need to get many more views!!
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@@V_Hayden7 you can SHARE this video !!!
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I'm so comforted listening to this wonderful man. I have family members (one generation younger than I) who have COMPLETELY LEFT Christianity because of the reasons he discussed. It's heartbreaking :-( I'm "spiritual" but not religious. I believe in God, but the God I believe in is loving, all encompassing, and within each of us. Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., etc. HAVE made a deal with the devil. It's HORRIFIC.......
100% agreed. I'm Christian but I don't go to church anymore. I just do my best to live out my faith.
Jesus is Divine (God). He came in the flesh in obedience to the Father and died on the cross for the redemption of mankind, Three days later He rose from the dead having defeated death and giving mankind hope for salvation from the consequences of their sins. That is a Christianity in a nutshell. If these elements are omitted from "christianity" it is not Biblical Christianity, it is scripturally a false religion.
@fireson23 ...... NKJV JOHN 10:29-30: “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
NIV COLOSSIANS 1:15-20
“The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross”
ESV JOHN 8: 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
@fireson23 ........ Jesus in the OLD TESTAMENT by Michael Hesier ThD
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itgetter9 My husband and I also don’t go to church anymore, and are, sadly, relieved to finally find others who feel the same about Christians selling their soul to follow Trump. Ever since our fellow Christians went all-in on Trump we’ve felt as if we were the only sane people in the asylum! We can no longer stand the hypocrisy, bigotry, and hate in the church that caused us to leave it several years ago, only to decide to give it another try just before Trump ran for office. The support of Trump finally put us over the edge for good, and we will never go back to a Christian church again.
Brilliant interview. Not often that one hears someone admit their mistakes on such a scale. Bravo. We need more of this. Honesty.
Not just honesty, INTEGRITY.
He is repenting, which is essentially what we all need to do. A very brave man to come before all of us and tell us his sins. JOHN 8:36, remind everyone you can.
One at a time sooner the better.
Anyone could hear the pain in that Reverend's voice?
Sound like this was difficult for him, so props to the guy.
I am heartened to hear his admission. There is hope when we acknowledge our wrongdoing. 🙏🌈
All I can say is: Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a worthy one to emulate. Thank you, Rev. Schenk, for being an honest and compassionate Christian. Thank you to Michel Martin and to Amanpour and Co. for this coverage!
Ditto!
I completely agree with you on Bonhoeffer and also thank Rev. Schenck and this program for the coverage.
Except that Rev. Schenk waited so long to see the truth. Bonhoeffer saw the truth immediately!
This guy took too long. Pulling back after so much damage is done. Him and his lot should be in the streets begging for forgiveness for wasting the worlds time and hurting so many. He isnt showing me enough painful regret for his decisions
@@clarkpalace I understand your anger, but we should be glad he and some of these others are finally 'getting it'. That it took them as long as it did is terribly sad and unfortunate and has caused real harm, but if Christ can forgive, then so should we. Anger and bitterness won't overcome evil - only love, mercy and a lot of hard work. :)
Brother, my challenge as a Christian is believing your Damascus road experience. To me, as a Christian, Donald Trump represents the absolute worst that resides in the hearts of those who live in a state of separation from God, not in communion with God. I don't hate you....I don't hate him, or any of his followers, despite the horribly misguided and unconscious things they do - but what will it take for the so-called people of God to see that they have been duped, and that they are complicit in evil?
I agree with you. I believe that if evangelicals assess Trump correctly, they would have to conclude that he was God's test for THEIR faith, and they failed, utterly. In one instant, they turned their back on every teaching of the Gospel. For the sake of power.
White. Evangelicals Gave Up Jesus For Their god. trump
Yes, ALightIn TheForest
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I reached this conclusion independently last week. Donald Trump is an anti-Christ spirit. He is a test. For if you cannot recognize an anti-Christ spirit, how will you recognize THE anti-Christ when he appears? His carrot on the stick will be anti-abortion for Catholics and support of Israel for Evangelical Protestants because this fits into their false End Times Rapture Eschatology. His character will be obvious to some, but many will be deceived.
@@glencora6340 100% agreed. May God bless you and keep you, may he make his face shine on you and be gracious unto you.
When cults collapse they often do so quickly. Here's for hoping.
Here here! Let's hope! My mother warned me about joining cults...mama was right!
Zaire Sprowal unfortunately, they are taking the rest of the country down with them.
@@teresaamanfu7408 Not if we take action. Be active and VOTE! make sure everyone you know votes.
Pops Fenwick Jesus wept
@@newmove4378 I just found this. PLEASE share this!
Preaching the gospel doesn’t mean taking over the government and courts and forcing beliefs on people .
Tell Franklin Graham that!! Purporting to support Religious Freedom he did the exact opposite when he violently took over a Church property and interfered with a church's mission! And tear gassing innocent peaceful protesters 20 min. before curfew! And then DT45 bragged about it...blinded Evangelitrumpers are cheering this immoral (and illegal??) travesty on!!!
It's the height of hypocrisy and some Christians can't even see it! This is delusion of biblical proportion.
People do what you do not what you say
@Pat Alessi personally, that doesn't bother me so much. The fact he's perverting the Good News of Jesus with his personal opinions does. Yes, believers can hold a variety of opinions, BUT we must distinguish that clearly from the "Thus saith the Lord" messages were putting out there. For a minister it's supposed to be ALL about Jesus when in the pulpit or at public rallies. We can't put new wine in old wine skins-- not good.
I hope he repents of this folly.
@Pat Alessi yes it is
The evangelicals have been the best argument against christianity. Was absolutely shocked when EVEN Pat Robertson rebuked him
When I think of evangelicals, Matthew 23 13 comes to mind.
When he said they were told to leave church members scared and angry for more donations from the flock...they get allegiance as a cult leader gets power over the people. This must be shared for those family members attending church stuck on trump
Gordon Adams
They haven’t read it.
Most of them have barely read the book they say they believe in.
@spice tea Who is "they?" Don't say such a horrible thing about people you know nothing about. The majority of Christians are NOT like that. Granted, just barely a majority....
Too many are like this. Christ is weeping! - Bonnie Robinson
Please explain The Access Hollywood interview where Billy Bush was punished and Trump unaddressed. Why was Billy punished so harshly and not Trump? The lack of accountability for hush money paid for affairs w women in the porn and sex worker industry is unexplainable to me. How is this acceptable for any citizen, let alone our president?
Pre-Trump the word "evangelical" was an acceptable word. After Trump, I found myself asking for a sermon defining the "Evangelical Christians". It had become perfectly clear that "they" did not respect the difference between right and wrong, truth and lies, good health and intentional murder, a wage for honest labor and theft, respecting and acknowledging the worth of all of God's creatures and considering all subservient to Trump's desires alone. "They" had made a deal with the devil, and now they din't have the moral backbone to admit it. It's more important to them to fill the highest court in the land with rapists and inadequate jugheads, than to build solid case law that will survive the test of time. Well, Trump has already allowed the U.S. virus death toll up beyond 115,000, with intentions to see it grow to 200,000. "They" will have a piece of responsibility for each of those deaths. If a huge country like New Zealand can manage with so few deaths, then our high death count is due to interference and negligence.
Most of what you said I agree with but New Zealand is not a huge country. Its population is less than 5,000,000. Our's is somewhere around 340,000,000
Rapist.? You reveal yourself Beelzebub. you hate christians and conservative jointly and severally. You act as the perfect hack.
If separation of church and state is real why don't people who preach about politics from the pulpit pay taxes for the churches? Or shut up
Most churches do not discuss, much less preach, politics. In my observation, it's mostly evangelicals and TV evangelists who go there.
Excellent Question, I have been asking the Same thing.
No Way! Really? Trump held the Bible up like it was a talisman in a cheap vampire movie.
Watching him, I could almost hear the theme music to "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".
EXACTLY. AND Did people notice it was held upside down?
@@brianwhite3899 Yes, they did notice.
Yeah and he flew it upside down. Do you think he was saying there is an emergency?
Why hold a bible when Trump doesn't even know a simply bible verse in the bible I would like somebody to ask him the shortest verse in the bible. He don't even know he is just a jack ass
The Hypocresy is so Blatant!!!! I wonder if they truly read the life of JESUS.
Bravo. I'm not an evangelical but an Episcopalian. We have differing views but we're both followers of Jesus who is the center of our life. I'm so pleased to hear what Mr Schenck is saying.
You're both apostate and both wickedly promoting the abominations in the Bible that God hates.
Christocentric ?!? This administration is Trumpocentric
FINALLY!!! An honest evangelical!! Sad that you're in an extremely tiny minority. Educated and younger people see through the real motivation of evangelical leaders: Drunk on POWER!! Values be damned!!
I was blessed by this, as a Christian (and a nevertrumper) this interview encouraged me a lot. I've been very lonely for 4 years😪
drunk on power. tons of power in a church with 120 members. Yep, most churches are pretty powerless when you come right down to it. I've been going to church for 45 years and i've heard zero sermons on politics. Why?. Not all evangelicals are republican. But Hillary really pushed a lot of blue evangelicals into red territory when they found out they were irredeemable deplorables. Boy, irredeemable, what a choice word to use against christians when you are running for office. And the onslaught of condemnation and insults has continued from the the left without relief since.That is a real winsome way....all beatings will continue until morale improves. So, ok they don't care about the evangelical vote. Then why the nonstop pounding. well try this. Jesus said, "they hated me and therefore they will hate you." Christians are the number one persecuted demographic in the world and have been for over 40 years. According to the United Nations. Trump? Trump is Trump.....We were forced to choose between the devil we knew and the devil we didn't know. From the behavior and outright vitriol from the left we made the right choice. Ooo Ooo the president used a bible in a photo op. Somehow that makes me a deplorable. Caio.now holy cow. Vote the bum out.quit attacking each other. If America wants socialism and votes it we will have socialism. but first check out Norway and Socialism.on google.
@@garypendergraft1398 Jesus was basically a socialist and would have puked at the shenanigans of Trump. If he would not have, he wouldn't be worth following! You're following a guy that pays off porn stars (no problem!)- Grabs women by the vagina- cheats on EVERYTHING. Real Christian-like you think?
Half the country had a feeling about this almost 4 years ago. It's almost like you can hear the "pop" of his head coming out of his ass, now he's trying to warn his friends. Better late than never? VOTE like you lives depend on it. They do!
I don't think we will ever vote anymore!! The one running the show will put who they want in office. I believe it's been heading that way a long time! GOD is our redeemer!
The prosperity doctrine is one of the biggest lies ever to come down the pike. It has nothing to do with the walk of Jesus.
We need more voices like his.
A Good Confession, Good for the Soul.
He exposes what he sees.
this takes real cajones to be public with honest perspective.
He risks everything in the face of QAnon and other evil factions interlaced in the fabric of american society.
The stirrings of pre-nazi take-over of a democracy called out for what it is.
White Evangelicals had some no-body have a dream while watching TV about Trump and all the White Evangelicals thought it was a sign from God.it's about sex, guns and white power. God help us this is what America is becoming! --Bonnie Robinson 🌊🐬💦💙Vote Biden \Harris!
We dont need to hear more voices, we must hear the voice of God
@@Garacha222 when did he do that 2016 ?
As a Roman Catholic, I have seen this since the beginning of this Presidents adminiustration. His hypocrasy was so obvious back then. We are first Christians, praciticing and failing, but the Lord spurs us on. The man in the White House is like the Herod of that time. Saying one thing and doing another, this should all be so possible to see. Thank you Reverend Robert Schenc. Most sincere prayers.
When Trump was elected, I cried and cried, I asked the Lord how this could have happened. I was heartbroken. I am a Christian, I am not white, my parents immigrated from Mexico, I was born in Chicago. I had heard about Trump years before he ran for President. When he became a serious contender in the race, I said to myself that surely people will see him for what he truly is. That’s why I was beyond shocked and dumbfounded when the man Trump won the presidency of the United States.
I became equally shocked and dismayed when so many Christians were backing him when he began his reign of terror on the immigrant and refugee community. Of course there are many Christians who see that this is against the teaching of the Bible to welcome the stranger among us.
I became heartbroken again when a very prominent evangelical pastor in Southern California opened his church for full and open services in the midst of this COVID pandemic. Some of the words that pastor used to reopen his church sounded eerily like some of Trump’s. I have respected this particular pastor, I have many of his books. I thought to myself, “Not you too? Anyone but you!” Again I cried.
I didn’t vote for Trump last time and I will NOT vote for him this time. I am appalled that so many of my brothers and sisters have become his mouthpiece. I was in an interchange of comments with a 70-year-old Trump supporter in a TH-cam video. Many of the commentators were Trump supporters. Well, this particular commentator said Trump is the first President he really cares about. I had to respond to him, I was very respectful of him and never once berated him for supporting Trump. He used many of the same words I’ve heard Trump use against me-without even knowing anything about me! I reasoned with him, used scripture to try to help him see the truth about Trump. I finally had to say good bye. I pray the Lord will open his eyes. As for Trump’s Christian followers, he’s told them what they wanted to hear: “I’ll abolish abortion and I’ll put conservative judges on the bench.” The problem is that I believe Trump laughed at all of them behind their back. I have no way of knowing if he truly did this, but I wouldn’t put it past him.
Just like the pastor in this interview, I’ve had to ask the Lord to forgive me for hating Trump. I’ve asked the Lord to change my heart and to help me to pray for him to repent. Of course Trump has to want this for himself. I also pray that the Lord open the eyes of many Christians to see Trump truly is against all of us. I also pray Trump will not get re-elected.
When l ask my Lord, Who will be President , I heard Trump,l ask why, he said clear and loud,, he will steal to get in,the corrupt man will stir up the corruption,, he has ,,,,his own corruption,, Trump is a Antichrist',that means a person who doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ,, Trump never read the Bible
It's not just Trump. None of these politicians care about the working or poor Americans. They only care about themselves and convincing us to send them money. Why is it that most politicians are rich? Why do many politicians vote against helping everyday Americans? Why do so many people in American fail to see through the big CON that Trump is along with his political buddies from both sides of the aisle?
Brilliant interview and very thought provoking.
proof they don’t fear god or represent Christ’s teachings! like it’s been said when you make a deal with the devil, there’s a price to pay!
Although I couldn't disagree more with his theology, I wholeheartedly applaud his humanity.
I was thinking the same.
I'm not even a Christian and I love this guy.
I don't trust this guy any further than I could throw him. "I used to be a grandstanding showman but now I've seen the light, really." Uh huh.I sense that he's an opportunist and nothing more.
Trump’s my least favorite atheist
@@asperhes You might be projecting.
@@asperhes Those of the Evangelicals and Conservatives who speak out against King Snowflake _as Evangelicals or Conservatives_ have everything to lose personally by doing so, and nothing to gain but the hope of someday retaking their churches, politics, or country back from the sway of a middle-school bitch so toxic that a foreign emperor is using him as a zero-day hacking attack on America. It's a bit like a Democrat speaking out against Fmr. Scty. Clinton at this time four years ago... nothing but shit for dinner and virtue as its own reward.
@@asperhes you didn't listen to the whole interview, did you? do that, and get back to us.
What an incredible interview! Michele, you have such a gift! Hearing Rev. Schenck discuss current Evangelical culture gives me hope for my family and me, born, raised, and living in the South. My prayer is for his message to be heard by many to change hearts and minds.
I'm a former evangelical. I was raised in the tradition and at the time of my formative experiences in the church, we (the movement) were becoming more and more political around two issues: abortion and homosexuality. Suddenly, people who believed that politics were personal and private were beginning to stand on street corners, as Rev. Schenck admits he did, above. For the next thirty years, evangelicals stood athwart the tide of rising personal freedoms and liberty and they used their literal interpretation (and one must add here, Calvinist affinity for bigotry and fear of the "other) to make themselves better and wealthier than others. This is the point at which my parents, who were both politically conservative, began to become extremists. This was the period of Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell and "family values" and moral majority movements, etc.
I lived in a northern state, surrounded by many different sects of "Anabaptist" and even they were appalled by the apparent moral sludgification of their religious peers. Mainstream churches weren't effected as apparently, but those in the evangelical tradition were.
Now, as they (evangelicals) mourn the loss of people like me and others younger than myself because of this complicity in the shamelessness of ideas that aren't even put forth in the Bible, they are finally beginning to step on the brakes, because this orange idiot that they've attached themselves to has suddenly "gone too far". Well, it's too little, too late for me. I've been an atheist and anti-theist for many years, and I have come to loathe and disdain any but the most private and personal faith, not because of the faith itself, but because of what it does to the person who claims it. These people allowed their incredible credulity and literal interpretations of the Bible (and barely contained racism) to make them susceptible to the casuistry of the GOP's shameless shilling over forty years and too late they realize their own responsibility and the shameful consequences, suddenly? Well it's been obvious to the rest of us for decades that this moral imbecility and rot at the heart of evangelicalism has mutated the movement into a ragged company of crypto-fascists and bigots.
I say (and so do many others) that this administration's blatant and flippant pandering is what they get. If this kills off participation in church life, this is what they get. If this causes churches to go under or to have to pay taxes (while making political statements from their pulpits) that's what they get.
These Sunday revenue machines need to be unplugged. Again, they could all take a hint from Bonhoeffer and Niemoller about what taking an actual stand requires.
I'm a big fan of Bonhoeffer and Niemoller and I like the correlation between they and what "real" evangelicals need to do to separate themselves from politics, but again, too little too late. Their souls have been sold to an orange womanizing sociopath. Ah well.
This is why Hitch said that religion poisons everything. Religious faith amazingly aligns itself with the worst impulses of the human species and this generation's complicity in this unflagging truth is just one more exhibit of the evidence that the evangelical movement has been poisoned and made into an absurdity and parody of itself.
Dave you are obviously extremely well-educated and I say you are brilliant! I am reasonably well-educated with a degree and a half and a career as a technical writer. I would simplify a few of your very high-flown words so that people who don't have your education can understand you without referring to a dictionary, but I find you absolutely spot-on. Thank you! ❤️
@@wendywhite2642 Dave, You are spot on. I appreciate your writing this. However, there is a difference between Religion and a Personal Relationship to Jesus Christ. They are very different from each other. So please try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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You don't need scripture to weep over the cruelties rot on mankind. Just a heart.
Do you think we would find the number 666 under that toupee of Trump's? This man you have interviewed is a reflective thinker and honest. He is a true Christian.
The red hat leaves a mark on the foreheads. Parts of DJT if inside a cap in cursive can leave 666 mark.
Thanks Reverend for speaking out. God will bless you for this for speaking out that Christians ought to empathize. 'Weep with those who weep...rejoice with those who rejoice'. Thank you for reminding us of Jesus at the tomb of Lazarus. God bless you. Keep shining as God's light in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation.
Slowly, slowly, they’re starting to come out...
Takes awhile to get going, but towards the end this guy says some important things that many Christians need to hear.
The American churches knew they were dealing with someone sinister. They brought this upon their country. John 8:44
"Maybe this is a time for us to stop talking as I'm doing now and instead weep with those [...] who weep."
A house divided will fall, ignored by white evangelicals
I wish “religious” people were more often like this man. Introspective, honest, willing to listen, willing to love. Thank you, sir.
Love this. He's a man after my own heart. He really gets it!
You think so???? Why has it taken him so long to get the truth?
@@rrickarr you are just hearing him now. His change of mind didnt happen the day of the interview I'm sure. I'm just thrilled he's seen the light!!
Sure seems he's sincere (and articulate) to me😊
@@rrickarr is there a time limit for discovering the truth?
I was raised devout Catholic and educated at their schools, K-HS. I saw through the hypocrisy in my early twenties, and left. Then in the early 1970's the "I Found It" movement of Evangelicals had a massive U.S. campaign, and for years we were all accosted by these people who confronted everyone on streets and in shopping areas, demanding to know if we'd "Found It". They knocked on doors and wouldn't leave us alone in our homes. NOTHING has driven me away from Christianity more effectively than Christians. I've always taken to heart the "let not they left hand know what thy right hand does" biblical demand, which is why I eventually became a Buddhist (not a religion, but a way of life). All these Christian leaders want is power over others, and of course money, and they use their congregations to achieve it.
This man has finally got the message that Christ was here to teach us...wish everyone would open their hearts and minds...
respect for this mans honesty. Hopefully more and more Christians in America will gain similar insights.
I sure hope so. As a Christian that is my prayer.
I stand with you Rob. I was waiting to hear an evangelical who has a platform speaking out! Mr. Trump has made mockery of the presidency and i cannot understand how any God fearing individual could ever condone his behavior. All that comes out of his mouth is death! I pray for your protection and strengthening! Someone has to have the nerve to speak out and not be afraid!
It takes religion to make good men do horrible things,-Mark Twain.
Wow.
I've given up on all organized churches. I'm OK praying alone in a closet like Jesus said to do.
Churches are run by men. They no longer have anything to do with God, no matter what you believe God to be.
Same here I was done a long time ago. They rip off people prey on the poor it's disgusting. They SPREAD the lies and fool people
Great interview Yes we have to weep with those who weep He inspired me
I know , huh. I actually felt a little lighter,.then, I thought, 'that's messed up', why does it take a white guy saying he's remorseful and he's weeping to make me feel hopeful? Progress?
Catalina Govea Progress is slow But I think there are changes coming So glad He and others are speaking out about Trump
when you lie down with a dog you get up with fleas....
I appreciate this man's testimony and the way he has rekindled his first love and principles! He is someone needed to confront the Christian Right, challenge their blind love and support of a very corrupt and unfit political leader! Enjoyed this interview! Gives me Hope in God!
Its called REPENT and I understand what he is doing its better to REPENT then BURN..
God is certainly being mocked here, and this will come with a price.
And you better believe it
40,000+ thumbs up. Thank you. 🙏🏽✨🙏🏽
Their true God was money all along.
For Trump, it's also Narcissism. He loves himself more than anything else. And this is also not a Christian attitude. The words narcissist or narcissism don't appear in the Bible, but there are many verses that clearly describe narcissistic behaviors as not of God.
Yes, this is why I turned my back on my church 4 years ago. I may never know a deeper heart ache.
Thank you for this interview. So helpful!
Evangelicals have long been willing to make Faustian bargains. So many evangelicals trade away love for personal wealth, swap community for race identification, and the decency for the seven sins. The marriage of religion with government is a deadly tendency. The USA is the first nation that does NOT establish itself on religious terms. Thomas Jefferson, built up that wall of serration.
in other words, read "Living Buddha, Living Christ. And practice mindfulness. Rev. Schenck, you are an affirmation of "impermanence".
I could have listened to the Reverend for hours. That was one of the most powerful interviews I've heard in a long time!
it's as if they didn't see the man coming down the escalator. they didn't hear his inauguration speech. but, at least in this case, better late than never. thank you reverend for being brave enough to see through your past.
I am getting very itchy about the proximity of religious groups to government... there is a mesianic approach to the rethoric of this people that I find dangerous...
Michel Martin is an outstanding interviewer! Keep up the good work!
Sir, what you are saying is of the essence! If you have any right to do so, please tell loud and clear to your followers and the president that political stunts and photo op do NOT befit any decent church and in fact totally contradict the gospel. The church should do its job, and the State its. Mixing the two unduely has historically brought disaster in any country one can think of!
Huge move to embrace Boenhoffer. As an Evangelical he’s often seen as heterodox. This is no simple decision or theological change.
They've sold their souls. Unbelievable.
He is like the only one of the Evangelicals that actually was offended. So many of them have made Trump their god and it’s sad.
I can hear the pain of regret in bro Roberts Schenck voice. I am glad to see Gods' working in you and the love being displayed. May God continue to bless and keep you in His peace.
"What does it profit a man of he gains the whole world but loses his own soul?"
-- Jesus Christ (Holy Bible, Matthew 16:32)
Evangelicals - the central message of the gospel is justification by faith in Christ. These individuals are trumpgelicals for they take their message from trump.
When I was younger I left the church-- left all organized religion-- after realizing that it really was not about God, it was about maintaining an institution, and paying salaries to employees.
THANK U FOR THIS INTERVIEW IT WAS AMAZING
Evangelicals have forgotten Christ’s Golden Rule. “Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.”
Excellent observation, to God be the Glory! Don't you think it's Time for the Body of Christ to finally come together ? Don't you think we need to get our own HOUSE in order first ? Wouldn't you agree that the Body of Christ is dysfunctional ?....Do you feel we ALL need to Come together as ONE (1) Body, ? 2 Chron 7: 13-14 ....A Change is Coming ....It's in the Air......I hear a Sound......How can me and you work together to heal the Body of Christ ? Please HELP ME at The Race Reconciliation & WE ARE ONE healing Conference - JAN 2021 ....on ZOOM ......please feel free to email me: faithfilledman@gmail.com . . .Be Blessed !
Took him 4 years to figure that out? Sheesh. But, hey...at least he finally got there! Bright side, right?
Ronnie in VA - we all have our own journey in awakening and humility....all in our own time.... 🙏🏽💖🙏🏽
Towards the end when the "Good Reverend" was listing the most urgent things American Evangelicals need to do going forward, I found myself yelling: '"GROW A PAIR" at the screen of my phone ! 🥺
Thank you Reverend Schenck for your enormous courage, your honesty, your integrity and your commitment to walking in this world as Jesus did.
I personally can have much respect for this man, though there is an important part of Evangelical and Fundamentalist culture that seems to be ignored here.
It is not enough to point out only how un-Christ like Trump is and express how wrongheaded any Christian who follows him and bargains with him for power must be foolish, confused, or just coldly power seeking.
To the outside observer, Christian or religious or completely athiest, Trump is an obvious hypocrite and his actions seem very against the spoken rules of what outsiders hear from Evangelicals.
But having been a female who was raised in Southern Baptist and then Nazarene churches in the Midwest, I recognize Trump's behavior as being nearly a model of the male power brokers in the churches I attended.
Men who could preach a hellfire and damnation to make one tremble, regarding sins of the flesh, pro life agendas, preach against lies and deceit, go on about women's rightful place in submission to men, the importance of purity and virtue, no sex outside of the Covenant of marriage with conception left up to the whims of God, and on, and on.
And then those same men groped and routinely attempted to sexually assault us young teens whenever they could catch us alone, one in our church raped a 13 year old I know he did that with more than one young girl, but this was the only one that actually got reported to police.
He was a respected elder in the Church who often taught and counselled the tweens and teens.
Was he driven out of the Church? No, the 13 year old and her father who prosecuted the Elder were driven out. The girl's own mother sided with the elder because poor men cannot be expected to resist the charms of beautiful, young ladies. Also, her daughter had dared to wear make up and sometimes mini skirts to school so she was deemed at fault for seducing the 60 year old man.
Her father, being an actual sane human being divorced his wife and won custody of his daughter due to the mother's refusal to stop forcing her daughter to attend church with her rapist while continually reminding her that the incident and any pain she suffered from it had been solely her fault for being a sinning, attractive young female who dared to not dress in loose burlap.
Unfortunately, the legal system of Kansas in the early '80's just gave the elder a wrist slap and the church did have him resign from being a Youth leader, but that was all that was done to him. This along with the persecution of the victim by most of the congregation helped reinforce the continued silence of others of us who had been assaulted by this man and a few other men in the Church. The culture demanded our silence if we didn't want to feel further shame for injustice and harm done to us by men in the Church.
This man, in the video has certainly met people who took the message of pro life to its deeper, misogynistic conclusion which is that women are dumb, and evil and must be controlled by men. Perhaps, he saw that attitude constantly being used and abused by men who are very like Trump, loud proclaimers of a faith that allows them to do almost anything they want, take no responsibility for any damage they cause, and that most of the men and women in the Church will continue to follow and support them because this is the expression of the spirit of control and domination that is behind the scenes in most Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches.
Trump's lies and hypocrisy only makes them feel more justified in their own behavior. More Godly in fact, and him being made President helps prove to them that their behavior is truly righteous. As they often view worldly power and riches as a sign of God's favor.
I'm glad this man, who may have been sincere and good left the others behind, but to neglect airing out the disgusting behavior in much of the Fundamentalist culture seems to me to perpetuate the rot in that culture that allows for the support of a man like President Trump and so I hope to see him calling all of it out plainly in the future.
Reverend Schenck - thank you for sharing your heart
This Reverend is a gem. As he says, Trump is a secularist and not a believer-thank you for speaking truth to power, sir! Michel Martin asks wonderfully relevant questions and is a great interviewer.
This is really important for Christians to hear, including myself. Thank you!
A very good interview. Thank you.
Ms. Martin excellent questions...
I agree-she is one of the best interviewers I have ever seen.
The evangelical faith will always be tied to trump no matter what the try do now...it has been written.
Reverend Schenck said it all. Thank you. I am a Catholic and a Democrat, and I am moved to tears.
Many pastors are leading their flocks away from bible teaching and into hate and division! Not all, but quite a few are.
Not all of them. Some pastors are wonderful, selfless, and wise. And teach straight from the Bible. That statement is false.
@@kellyberry4173 Not all, but quite a few are. I've changed my comment to state that.
When wicked are in charge the people moan
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Reverend Robert Schenck you have given me great, respectful pause. Blessings to you for finding your center through your faithful soul searching. Your message is amazingly important for all faithful followers, and especially leaders. This is morally encouraging, my full appreciation for your message.
Be grateful for the growth of independent Christian churches that follow Christ rather than political hubris and hypocrisy.
Matthew 10:26-28 New English Translation (NET Bible)
Fear God, Not Man
26 “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Want to hear a joke?
A "Christian" Evangelical.
Restored some of my faith in Christians. I never in a million years thought they would fall for Trumps lies. Glad to see that their are still real Christians out there.
At the end of the day you must walk you talk- these evangelicals think that using Trump to "enable the second coming of Christ", no natter the consequences, are in for a karmic surprise.
Preach love and vote for Joe❤️
I spent a year at Cal lutheran college and let me tell you I knew two professors that I respected. 2. They were the least religious.
Fear, anger, love, and money make the world go around! Like this guy and other evangelicals, the GOP will come around too after November! Hypocrites abound!
I don't have any problem understanding why evangelical Christianity is on a decline. What I don't understand is why it still exists at all.