karl cytrynowicz I’m only “old” to me, and much younger people, but I always knew “pus” to be someone’s face; though I’m a big fan of old-timey comedy, including Abbott and Costello, and the Marx Brothers, and I’m sure I remember hearing them use “pus” as face, though it’s still quite amusing, to hear someone use that term today, particularly when you know the context that some people will think of today, when they hear it haha. Though, I’m not immune to childish snorting, for example, take young Master Grayson; I still can’t hear the “shortened” form of his first name, without giggling like a teenager. Such as, in one of Sasha’s earlier videos, when she looked at the first appearance of the Joker; she’s talked about what the Joker had done, then it cuts back to Wayne Manor, and she says something along the lines of: “Meanwhile, Bruce is at home, just chilling with Dick...” ...I’m sorry, but I don’t care how old I am, that name/word will always be met with a childish chuckle from me; particularly when it’s used like I mentioned it was in the Joker video. Like if a line says: “Batman couldn’t meet with X; he was too busy looking for Dick”, or “Bruce heard Dick calling out to him”, or “Dick was purple with rage, a vein pulsing in his neck”...though that last one is pretty damned obvious, and I’m not sure if any comic book author would ever be that blatant haha. It’s 100% childish, I know, but it has always tickled me, and I think it’s always going to: let’s face it, if I was gonna grow out of it, it would have happened by now, so I guess I’m just going to have to live with at least part of my brain, being a giggling, snorting adolescent... and I’m fine with that haha.
Oddly, Killer Moth has turned up in Teen Titans Go while Cavalier showed up on DC Superhero Girls. So as obscure as they are, they've gotten more TV time than most of their contemporaries. A guy called Cavalier showed up in the Suicide Squad comic but he was killed off rather quickly.
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 Yes, in that he was a put-upon father whose evil schemes to destroy the city was in service of his awful daughter's desire to date Robin (though that was mainly to make her boyfriend "Fang" jealous). I almost felt sorry for Killer Moth in that episode.
She must think it's completely different because Betty was Bat-Girl (with a hyphen) while Barbara was Batgirl (one word, no hyphen). Or else, while Babs respects Kathy, she has no respect for Betty whatsoever.
On another earth Clark landed here in Alabama, so dating his cousin was normal, so we'll let it slide but talk about him behind his back....crap. super hearing
Marriage between first cousins is legal in New York, which is a model for Metropolis, and for Gotham City. It's also legal in 18 other states, and legal with exceptions in several other states, and a marriage between first cousins which is legal in the state where it was performed is legal in every state in the Union. Also, prohibition on marriage between first cousins is only an issue in the U.S., and people in other countries think we're kind of silly to make a fuss over it. So STFU about it, maybe...?
@@driveasandwich6734 It's legal, and NBD, in pretty much the whole world. USAns getting squicky over cousins marrying is a weird legacy of the eugenics craze of the 1910s (which migrated to Germany and gave rise to the Holocaust, so you're welcome for that, too o_O). We really need to get over it.
"DOMINOED DARE-DOLL" is a direct quote from the 60's show...a feminine equivalent to COWLED CRIME-BUSTER...ROBIN was referred to a BOY WONDER, despite being a teen-ager...that's how things were...and then they changed...
Yeah, it was very Mod-60s kitsch 👍 I guess they figured readers in the 70s would get it because the Batman TV show was still in heavy syndication back then.
Can't believe that something like "pretty puss" was a slang that people used in the 70's lol. I appreciate you translating all the old slangs and you should do more of it when reviewing old comics as most of the old slangs in the comic made me laugh.
I need to see the edgy Kate Kane and Catherine have an adventure together. I think that would be a fun dynamic. As they say in wrestling " One more match! One more match!"
From what I have seen here, this was a GREAT teamup of Batgirl and Batwoman. It is a shame that DC Comics doesn't have them team up more often, if only to provide a change of pace in the teamups between Batgirl, Batman, and Robin.
IIRC, Barbara had actually teamed up with Superman a couple of times not long before her run in Batman Family. She had been asked by reporters about whether she had a thing with Clark Kent in issue #1 of Batman Family, if memory serves.
You are correct, Luis. She had recently had two adventures, her first outings since she "semi-retired" from crime fighting when she went to Washington after being elected as Congresswoman of Gotham City (who knew a city got its own federal congresswoman?). And her aide was none other than Dick Grayson, during summer break from Hudson University. A shame all these retcons have negated all that.
I still recall learning of her death in a Brave & Bold team up where her Earth-Two double (along with Earth-Two Robin) teamed up with Ba5man. Also 8n it was a cool scene of Robin telling him off for being bossy wnd pointing out he wasn't only the same age as him but had been a hero longer.
This was great and how upon meeting both Barbara Gordon a.k.a. Batgirl and Kathy Kane a..k.a. Batwoman had become close friends both in and out of costume.
"Now it will probably be the last thing I remember on my deathbed. My last words: (whisper) Dare Doll..." why is this line funnier than the ENTIRE season of ABC's summer sitcom "United We Fall"?
I like the pre-Crisis version of Barbara revealing her identity to her Dad and that he knows it entirely. DC editorial should’ve kept that version pre- and post-Flashpoint and post-Infinite Frontier.
Gonna be honest, Bruce and Clark learning each other's identities on a boat is a lot funnier and imo better than Supes just using his X-ray vision on Batman.
IIRC, Post-Crisis, the Cavalier was said to be in a relationship with fellow Batman C-list villain, Captain Stingaree. So given that, looking at it from that angle, it's a bad use of a stereotype.
If I recall, Kathy was eventually killed by a mind-controlled Bronze Tiger. - There was also a great issue near the end of the pre-Crisis run of Brave & Bold that had a surprise appearance from the Earth-2 Batwoman, teaming-up with Earth-2 Robin and Earth-1 Batman to save Earth-2 Gotham City from Hugo Strange (following the deaths of Earth-1 Kathy and Earth-2 Bruce.
By a weird coincidence, I read this issue last week. Batwoman shows up again in Batman Family 14 and gets, miraculously, killed and resurrected all within one issue.
MAAANNNN, I don't know about you all, but I need more of the Cavalier!! This is my first time encountering him and I LOVE HIM!!! He's SO incredibly backwards! Can HE be the main villain of DC's next Bat-Event? I'm so tired of Joker and Harley! BRING BACK CAVALIER AND KILLER MOTH COMBO!! Edit: Whoa!!! You uploaded this 29 minutes ago?! IM SO EARLY THIS TIME!!!
Alas Cavalier [spoiler] is currrently dead. Having been killed off in the first issue of the latest Suicide Squad series. Before we could get to hear his opinion on Harley and Amanda Waller. Which given his opinions of ladies in this video, would have been interesting
i'm a big fan of comics explained but i needed this...i need your channel we all need your channel. The wit in your content is second to none. the "put it in a box" line had me in stitches.
Ah, Zur En Ar...I'm not sure which Grant Morrison is more fun, when he's on his "meds" or off...remember when Marvel accidentally printed one of his issues of X-Men with the pages out of order...but the story was so confusing by that point that *nobody noticed*?? Good times...
Cavalier also fought Wonder Woman once, in original run Wonder Woman 212 in 1974 (which predates this by 3+ years). It was the first of her 12 "trials" to rejoin the JLA, since she had lost her powers (and her memory) several months before. He acted as chauvinistic as ever (even had "handmaidens" to fight for him). And Killer Moth later became much more bad-ass, where a meetiing with Neron gave him actual powers making him Charaxes.
I'd always thought Batwoman was an old Earth-2 character, and didn't have a pre-crisis Earth-1 counterpart. The former makes an appearance later in 1982's Brave & the Bold #182, and she's still pining over the late Earth-2 Batman. What's worse, she never learned his secret identity, even after his death!
IIRC in that story, Batman (of Earth-1) mentions how shocking it is to meet Kathy when his counterpart is dead on his world. He then mentions how she must be feeling exactly the same thing-- since her Batman is dead.
Let’s not forget Barbara isn’t the original BG either. The original Bat-Girl first appeared in Batman #139 (April 1961) as Betty Kane, the niece of Kathy Kane, also known as Batwoman. After discovering her aunt's dual identity, Betty convinced Batwoman to train her as her sidekick.
Killermoth actually had a Marvel counterpart, 'The Trapster', who everyone called 'Paste-Pot Pete', and he had a glue-gun they called his 'paste gun' just to troll him. Too bad they didn't get to meet in the big crossover (the two Scarecrows did). Anyhow, he was just as much a joke as Killermoth was.
The Cavalier, throws away his Code, hits a woman and immediately decides he likes it! How... expected. I don't know who has the greatest need. Cavalier to see a therapist, or Killer Moth to see a dentist?
Of course this doesn't address the issue of Barbara's Batgirl basically having the same name as Kathy's niece Betty Kane, who was occasionally her sidekick Bat-girl.
Another throw back. Loved Batman Family back in the day, and remember this one fondly. The 70's version Batwoman and Batgirl team up again in two issues of the original ill fated Freedom Fighters comic not long after this.
This makes me think of the 'Marvel Girl' name in X-Men comics. They sort of just dropped the code name and just used Jean Grey after the Phoenix Saga. I know they still used 'Phoenix' sometimes, but I don't think it was consistent. What other heroes had a code name and then just used their civilian name while still crime fighting?
@@Raja1938 I am sure the public knows the FF's real name, but for the most part you aren't going to find cartoons or Merchandise calling the Thing, Ben Grimm. Go watch the X-Men cartoon intro and you will see where I am coming from
I've been re-reading my old Batman line of comics and this one is still a standout as far as Batwoman appearing in the 70's since a Batwoman appearance in the 70's.
@Sasha - thank you for creating a positive space for discussing comics on the internet. It feels like most comics channels focus on “the death of comics” these days, so the optimism is refreshing.
If you haven’t already, I’d love to see a video about the Morrison version of Kathy. I started reading Batman with Grant Morrison but that run is often a tough read to follow.
Oh Killer Moth. My favorite was his recent slight push in Red Hood (I Think). He's trying to sell his protection gig to the mob and throws up right before the meeting. He is a consummate professional, he is.
As a kid, when I read this, I was both excited and confused because I hadn’t yet been aware of the Batwoman character. I was just loving another bat character and a female one was pretty awesome. Even though I was a kid at the time, much of the slang and language in comics was from the much older men who wrote them, so, still weird to hear “puss” or “dare doll”. They were writing from their 1940’s idea of cool. I revisited Batman Family comics earlier this year and had a blast reliving my childhood. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
Don't disagree with you -- but, for the record, Bob Rozakis was only 25 when he wrote this story. Mind you, he undoubtedly grew up on 1960s comics with middle-aged authors -- and overblown narrative and corny dialogue were still widely used in the '70s. Yet, in a story with so many recycled characters, Killer Moth's misogyny and Cavalier's rampant chauvinism seemed completely natural for holdovers from a previous generation -- while standing out as glaringly anachronistic, even then. May not seem like much by today's standards, but Rozakis showed Kathy Kane as a woman running her own business -- a far cry from "1940s cool." And, somewhat ironically (considering the point of the story was why Batgirl chose not to call herself Batwoman), he would later be the writer who rechristened the Silver Age Hawkgirl as Hawkwoman.
Oh, man, the Batman Family comic was good stuff. And even better when they went to the Dollar Comic size! Batman Family #19 was one of my earliest comics I bought off the comic book racks, but you can bet I picked up all the back issues! Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Man-Bat, and other occasional surprises like the Batwoman appearance were a lot of fun. And Bob Rozakis was the king of fun comic book stories! My comment needs more exclamation points!!!! AND ALL CAPS JUST LIKE THE COMICS THEMSELVES!!!!
Love me some Kathy Kane! And glad they took the approach of treating her respectfully & not dismissively. Also VINCE COLETTA! Say what you will but if you want something done ON TIME Vince is your man! He hits that deadline everytime!
You see, I could focus on the Lady Bat team up, but instead I'm laughing about how Superbat figured out each other's identities. Like, did they just awkwardly turn the lights back off again and pretend nothing happened...I need to know Sasha.
I really appreciate your channel! I'm not able to collect comics like i did as a kid but i love them and you breaking down and reading them allows me to remain in the comic loop...thank you 🖤
Thanks for highlighting another part of comics history that I was unaware of. I actually really want to see more of Babs and Kathy together now. I'd also love to see Cavalier meet Harley, just so she could comment on his very obvious psychological issues.😅
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Batwoman commenting on being to old just shows she'd not as insane as Bruce about "the mission" but that's the difference between him and a lot of heroes. Although isn't this the continuity where he retires and becomes police chief ?
Personally I love these issues and it's something DC sort of threw away and didn't think about when they did the original Crisis. This issue is letting us look into the better parts of DC's continuity and history as well as updating it and maturing the characters within. It's why the 70's era of DC where they're openly enjoying Earth-2 and showing the Golden Agers being older, more mature, some moving into retirement appeals to me, because we're breaking the mold of the characters forever being locked at a specific age and just being....static. I would've loved to have seen Kathy hang around Babs as a kind of mentor/supporting character. Babs runs into someone Kathy encountered or a case that is like one Kathy worked on and she mentors or maybe gets involved with. It's comics at its best to me when it embraces and runs with its history instead of trying to deny it.
earth 2 was the perfect playground for older characters as you could play around with them and see them grow and retire. I understand why dc wanted to delete the multiverse, but could they have not rebooted earth 1 and kept it as it was while still telling new post-crisis stories, and have earth 2 be its own book?
4:17 I mean, if Comic Pop has taught me anything, this can happen. If we can have King Shark in a chicken coop, why not Killer Moth in a person's closet?
The word puss was once a slang term for face...So Having Killer Moth say that line to Batgirl...well...lets just say for a mind as twisted as mine...the jokes were....bluer than Batgirl's cowl
man, we need to bring back "pretty puss". Also, I love earth 2 and don't understand why it was deleted. I understand dc wanted to streamline things, but they didn't have to reboot earth 1 to tell new stories. Also, they could've kept earth 2 as its own book, with multiple issues from detective, action and wonder comics kinda like manga. And it could be playground for writers to evolve characters to have them grow and be replaced.
Another great job of taking us down memory lane! The DC stories of the mid 50s to late 60s are some of my favorite because of their silliness, hokeyness and even absurdity. It is was always a treat to see them re-emerge largely intact in the Bronze Age before the Great Disaster -aka "Crisis" wiped out all that gooey richness. So now a request for Sasha.... I would love to hear your take on the DC superhero team of the late 50s that predates the Justice League of America....the Club of Heroes! Maybe I'm the only person who thought they were fun but....yeah, I thought they were fun. And silly. A bit derivative. Ethno-appropriate. Ridiculous. But a blast just the same!!!!
I kinda liked the team up, (and yes, I was reading those comics when they came out,) but I thought (at the time) a better ending would have been Batwoman asking Barbara to take up the mantle (not the costume,) and Barbara becoming Batwoman. Of course now-a-days I like the new Batwoman. And, it may be mean, it may be cruel, but I think Bab's was at her best when she was Oracle. And then there's the Huntress. As I (we) started having kids I found it harder and harder to justify spending on the often foot high stack of comics at the comic shop. (No Regrets, and my four year old grand can name the whole bat-family, and my six year old will tell you "I am Batman!" (And Batman's a Jedi)(I am a little worried how much the younger likes his kiddie Cuthulu books.)) But I'd been a BIG fan of Helena Wayne Huntress, the child of Batman and Catwoman, only to learn she'd become a mobsters daughter? Say it isn't so . To me she too is one of the Batwomen. As always, for all your efforts, observations, (variety of hair,) wisdom, logic, delivery, and the video they produce, thank you so very very much.
Ahhh, pre-plosion 70’s DC. It seems to be taylor made for the whims of Casually Comics! Also, while this content would seem to self explain the DC implosion, a fun factoid of the situation is that Batman Family outsold Detective Comics! The company almost imploded the famous Detective Comics but decided to move the stories planned for Batman Family over to Detective and cancelled Batman Family instead. Prolly a good idea since the company letterhead literally is from Detective Comics in the 1930’s.
This one was a lot of fun. I personally find the pre-crisis batwoman way more interesting than the modern version. It'd be interesting if one of DC's several upcoming reboots went for a mix-and-match between the two...
I would have loved a few issues that had Barbara Gordon injured and not able to be Batgirl and Kathy Kane coming out of retirement and taking the mantle of Batgirl for a period. That could have influenced how Knightfall occurred and solidified Bruce's conviction of his Jean-Paul Valley replacement over Dick Grayson.
Headcanon: Killer Moth knew exactly what he was saying.
Actually, for us old folks, "puss" was slang for face back in the day.
karl cytrynowicz
I’m only “old” to me, and much younger people, but I always knew “pus” to be someone’s face; though I’m a big fan of old-timey comedy, including Abbott and Costello, and the Marx Brothers, and I’m sure I remember hearing them use “pus” as face, though it’s still quite amusing, to hear someone use that term today, particularly when you know the context that some people will think of today, when they hear it haha.
Though, I’m not immune to childish snorting, for example, take young Master Grayson; I still can’t hear the “shortened” form of his first name, without giggling like a teenager.
Such as, in one of Sasha’s earlier videos, when she looked at the first appearance of the Joker; she’s talked about what the Joker had done, then it cuts back to Wayne Manor, and she says something along the lines of: “Meanwhile, Bruce is at home, just chilling with Dick...”
...I’m sorry, but I don’t care how old I am, that name/word will always be met with a childish chuckle from me; particularly when it’s used like I mentioned it was in the Joker video.
Like if a line says: “Batman couldn’t meet with X; he was too busy looking for Dick”, or “Bruce heard Dick calling out to him”, or “Dick was purple with rage, a vein pulsing in his neck”...though that last one is pretty damned obvious, and I’m not sure if any comic book author would ever be that blatant haha.
It’s 100% childish, I know, but it has always tickled me, and I think it’s always going to: let’s face it, if I was gonna grow out of it, it would have happened by now, so I guess I’m just going to have to live with at least part of my brain, being a giggling, snorting adolescent... and I’m fine with that haha.
I feel like killer moth would be casually sexist
"And your name should fit your age"
Best Regards,
Jean Grey
Marvel Woman???
I mean she's had a lot of alias's over the years, so I don't think she actually has a problem with her name fitting her age
Plus, if we're gonna talk about confusing ages, Scott and her are experts
Oddly, Killer Moth has turned up in Teen Titans Go while Cavalier showed up on DC Superhero Girls. So as obscure as they are, they've gotten more TV time than most of their contemporaries.
A guy called Cavalier showed up in the Suicide Squad comic but he was killed off rather quickly.
Didn't Robin go to prom with his daughter in normal teen titans as well?
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 Yes, in that he was a put-upon father whose evil schemes to destroy the city was in service of his awful daughter's desire to date Robin (though that was mainly to make her boyfriend "Fang" jealous). I almost felt sorry for Killer Moth in that episode.
To quote 60's Batman show's the Minstral, in regards to the Cavalier, "Fair thee well and get thee lost!"
Killer Moth was also in “The Batman” where he transformed into an actual giant killer insect.
@@deathcon6261 Which is more proof that Teen Titans is in The Batman universe!
"He's in you closet! Chewing on your pants!"
...fun times.
i wonder why barbara gordon never had second thoughts about naming herself batgirl as previously there had been Betty Kane, the original batgirl.
She must think it's completely different because Betty was Bat-Girl (with a hyphen) while Barbara was Batgirl (one word, no hyphen). Or else, while Babs respects Kathy, she has no respect for Betty whatsoever.
On another earth Clark landed here in Alabama, so dating his cousin was normal, so we'll let it slide but talk about him behind his back....crap. super hearing
Marriage between first cousins is legal in New York, which is a model for Metropolis, and for Gotham City.
It's also legal in 18 other states, and legal with exceptions in several other states, and a marriage between first cousins which is legal in the state where it was performed is legal in every state in the Union.
Also, prohibition on marriage between first cousins is only an issue in the U.S., and people in other countries think we're kind of silly to make a fuss over it.
So STFU about it, maybe...?
@@johnburt7935 Ooh, burn!
Dating/marrying your cousin is legal, only your full-blooded sibling isn't. Sit down.
@@driveasandwich6734 It's legal, and NBD, in pretty much the whole world. USAns getting squicky over cousins marrying is a weird legacy of the eugenics craze of the 1910s (which migrated to Germany and gave rise to the Holocaust, so you're welcome for that, too o_O). We really need to get over it.
@@johnburt7935 even then it wasn't exactly a *rare* thing at the time they had supes crushing on Supergirl or Batwoman on Bruce...
"DOMINOED DARE-DOLL" is a direct quote from the 60's show...a feminine equivalent to COWLED CRIME-BUSTER...ROBIN was referred to a BOY WONDER, despite being a teen-ager...that's how things were...and then they changed...
Well, he was called a Boy Wonder in the comics from the moment he showed up. Because he...was a little boy.
Yeah, it was very Mod-60s kitsch 👍 I guess they figured readers in the 70s would get it because the Batman TV show was still in heavy syndication back then.
It sounds so vintage Stan Lee I can practically see him saying it!
Robin was also called the Teen Wonder later, and even the Teen-Age Wonder. But that's not his name or anything. That's a title kinda thing.
@@DSan-kl2yc TEEN -WONDER was mostly from the SUPER FRIENDS era...he was was BOY WONDER when Batgirl was THE DOMINOED DARE-DOLL...
Can't believe that something like "pretty puss" was a slang that people used in the 70's lol. I appreciate you translating all the old slangs and you should do more of it when reviewing old comics as most of the old slangs in the comic made me laugh.
Only her translation was incorrect. The use of "puss" here means "face."
Wait til Batman and Joker use the word boner repeatedly lol
People didn't really use it in the 70's. It was an outdated expression even then.
Pus used to mean face so gey out the gutter.
bring back "pretty puss"!
I mean, the outfit looks PRETTY TIGHT, and I know Killer Moth has been gawking at her, lack of lines... I'm awful lol
The Caviler needs to team up with Doctor Psycho. And then have righteously humiliating defeat.
Man, every time I see Batgirl I'm reminded just how much I still miss Oracle.
I need to see the edgy Kate Kane and Catherine have an adventure together. I think that would be a fun dynamic.
As they say in wrestling " One more match! One more match!"
In this context, "puss" actually means "face", not "woman".
I believe you are correct
That was my take too
@@RunnerX13 Oh, hey - it remains current (just barely) in the term "sourpuss" (i.e., a face with a sour expression).
@@johnburt7935 Yes, like in old movies and TV shows - face or at least "mouth". For example, "Shaddup or I'll punch you right in the puss!"
oops sorry did not see your comment. see above
From what I have seen here, this was a GREAT teamup of Batgirl and Batwoman. It is a shame that DC Comics doesn't have them team up more often, if only to provide a change of pace in the teamups between Batgirl, Batman, and Robin.
Just imagine the film "Citizen Kane II: Sasha", where the driving force of the plot is "What was the meaning of her last word: Daredoll?"
“But why though?” needs to be the next great meme. So many opportunities to use it in this world & throughout the multiverses. ☺️
IIRC, Barbara had actually teamed up with Superman a couple of times not long before her run in Batman Family. She had been asked by reporters about whether she had a thing with Clark Kent in issue #1 of Batman Family, if memory serves.
Yeah, but that was just Lois checking to be sure she didn't have to slap a bitch.
You are correct, Luis. She had recently had two adventures, her first outings since she "semi-retired" from crime fighting when she went to Washington after being elected as Congresswoman of Gotham City (who knew a city got its own federal congresswoman?). And her aide was none other than Dick Grayson, during summer break from Hudson University. A shame all these retcons have negated all that.
The giant Cavalier was an illusion similar to one used in The Island of a Thousand Thrills? An allusion to an illusion?
I still recall learning of her death in a Brave & Bold team up where her Earth-Two double (along with Earth-Two Robin) teamed up with Ba5man. Also 8n it was a cool scene of Robin telling him off for being bossy wnd pointing out he wasn't only the same age as him but had been a hero longer.
This was great and how upon meeting both Barbara Gordon a.k.a. Batgirl and Kathy Kane a..k.a. Batwoman had become close friends both in and out of costume.
"Now it will probably be the last thing I remember on my deathbed. My last words: (whisper) Dare Doll..." why is this line funnier than the ENTIRE season of ABC's summer sitcom "United We Fall"?
It can then evolve into a Citizen Kane search for what her last words meant.
I'm convinced that Commissioner Gordon always has know that Barbra is Batgirl, he just chooses to let her tell him.
I like the pre-Crisis version of Barbara revealing her identity to her Dad and that he knows it entirely. DC editorial should’ve kept that version pre- and post-Flashpoint and post-Infinite Frontier.
Gonna be honest, Bruce and Clark learning each other's identities on a boat is a lot funnier and imo better than Supes just using his X-ray vision on Batman.
"Domino Daredoll, Batgirl" was a phrase used on the 60s tv series, by the narrator. ;)
Things we learned today:
•Bruce is a carefree bachelor unless it's step-aunt
•It's been awhile since Killer Moth saw Batgirl's pretty puss
•Daredoll
Boy Bruce's aunts came a long way since the 60's tv show!
Btw all these aunts, and cousins from nowhere, yet he grew up a lonely orphan?
I love Kathy Kane as she originally was. I think the Cavalier is great. I love his attitude. There should be more like him.
IIRC, Post-Crisis, the Cavalier was said to be in a relationship with fellow Batman C-list villain, Captain Stingaree. So given that, looking at it from that angle, it's a bad use of a stereotype.
If I recall, Kathy was eventually killed by a mind-controlled Bronze Tiger.
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There was also a great issue near the end of the pre-Crisis run of Brave & Bold that had a surprise appearance from the Earth-2 Batwoman, teaming-up with Earth-2 Robin and Earth-1 Batman to save Earth-2 Gotham City from Hugo Strange (following the deaths of Earth-1 Kathy and Earth-2 Bruce.
So early Green Lantern's powers are still magic.
By a weird coincidence, I read this issue last week. Batwoman shows up again in Batman Family 14 and gets, miraculously, killed and resurrected all within one issue.
I thought you were going to mention that the Cavalier is gay being canon. I think that would be a good subject for a vid.
MAAANNNN, I don't know about you all, but I need more of the Cavalier!! This is my first time encountering him and I LOVE HIM!!! He's SO incredibly backwards! Can HE be the main villain of DC's next Bat-Event? I'm so tired of Joker and Harley! BRING BACK CAVALIER AND KILLER MOTH COMBO!!
Edit: Whoa!!! You uploaded this 29 minutes ago?! IM SO EARLY THIS TIME!!!
Alas Cavalier [spoiler] is currrently dead. Having been killed off in the first issue of the latest Suicide Squad series. Before we could get to hear his opinion on Harley and Amanda Waller. Which given his opinions of ladies in this video, would have been interesting
8:09 I was like 😶 and after you explained it I was like oh
i'm a big fan of comics explained but i needed this...i need your channel we all need your channel. The wit in your content is second to none. the "put it in a box" line had me in stitches.
Ah, Zur En Ar...I'm not sure which Grant Morrison is more fun, when he's on his "meds" or off...remember when Marvel accidentally printed one of his issues of X-Men with the pages out of order...but the story was so confusing by that point that *nobody noticed*?? Good times...
That is funny and sad at the same time.
"Why is she called Batgirl when she's a congresswoman?" I said the same thing when I first heard about the Supergirl TV show.
Cavalier also fought Wonder Woman once, in original run Wonder Woman 212 in 1974 (which predates this by 3+ years). It was the first of her 12 "trials" to rejoin the JLA, since she had lost her powers (and her memory) several months before. He acted as chauvinistic as ever (even had "handmaidens" to fight for him). And Killer Moth later became much more bad-ass, where a meetiing with Neron gave him actual powers making him Charaxes.
I'd always thought Batwoman was an old Earth-2 character, and didn't have a pre-crisis Earth-1 counterpart. The former makes an appearance later in 1982's Brave & the Bold #182, and she's still pining over the late Earth-2 Batman. What's worse, she never learned his secret identity, even after his death!
IIRC in that story, Batman (of Earth-1) mentions how shocking it is to meet Kathy when his counterpart is dead on his world.
He then mentions how she must be feeling exactly the same thing-- since her Batman is dead.
Let’s not forget Barbara isn’t the original BG either. The original Bat-Girl first appeared in Batman #139 (April 1961) as Betty Kane, the niece of Kathy Kane, also known as Batwoman. After discovering her aunt's dual identity, Betty convinced Batwoman to train her as her sidekick.
7:42 I learned that in FNV, thought it seemed weird as code/slang but it works.
Killermoth actually had a Marvel counterpart, 'The Trapster', who everyone called 'Paste-Pot Pete', and he had a glue-gun they called his 'paste gun' just to troll him. Too bad they didn't get to meet in the big crossover (the two Scarecrows did). Anyhow, he was just as much a joke as Killermoth was.
The Cavalier, throws away his Code, hits a woman and immediately decides he likes it! How... expected.
I don't know who has the greatest need. Cavalier to see a therapist, or Killer Moth to see a dentist?
I love your outfit in this video. Its like a Cruella De vill inspired outfit but with half red hair
Of course this doesn't address the issue of Barbara's Batgirl basically having the same name as Kathy's niece Betty Kane, who was occasionally her sidekick Bat-girl.
Now I can't stop thinking about how 'Implosion" would be an awesome title for the next DC event.
Another throw back. Loved Batman Family back in the day, and remember this one fondly. The 70's version Batwoman and Batgirl team up again in two issues of the original ill fated Freedom Fighters comic not long after this.
This makes me think of the 'Marvel Girl' name in X-Men comics. They sort of just dropped the code name and just used Jean Grey after the Phoenix Saga. I know they still used 'Phoenix' sometimes, but I don't think it was consistent. What other heroes had a code name and then just used their civilian name while still crime fighting?
Besides the entire Fantastic Four? lol The only time they seemed to use their code names was on their first issue cover.
@@Raja1938 I am sure the public knows the FF's real name, but for the most part you aren't going to find cartoons or Merchandise calling the Thing, Ben Grimm.
Go watch the X-Men cartoon intro and you will see where I am coming from
@@jonathanross149 Ok, so you're referring to commercial branding of the character as opposed to their persona in the narrative.
You can also find a 70's Batwoman in Freedom Fighters #14
I've been re-reading my old Batman line of comics and this one is still a standout as far as Batwoman appearing in the 70's since a Batwoman appearance in the 70's.
@Sasha - thank you for creating a positive space for discussing comics on the internet. It feels like most comics channels focus on “the death of comics” these days, so the optimism is refreshing.
I ❤️ this. I wish more criticism was like this. Thoughtful insights, occassional nitpicks, but genuine fun with it all.
If you haven’t already, I’d love to see a video about the Morrison version of Kathy. I started reading Batman with Grant Morrison but that run is often a tough read to follow.
Oh Killer Moth. My favorite was his recent slight push in Red Hood (I Think). He's trying to sell his protection gig to the mob and throws up right before the meeting. He is a consummate professional, he is.
Batman, Batwoman, Batgirl.....and Robin. 🤔
Dare doll was used on the Batman TV show. That's where the phrase originates.
I'm curious, from where do you originate? I was shocked that you weren't in the USA.
As a kid, when I read this, I was both excited and confused because I hadn’t yet been aware of the Batwoman character. I was just loving another bat character and a female one was pretty awesome. Even though I was a kid at the time, much of the slang and language in comics was from the much older men who wrote them, so, still weird to hear “puss” or “dare doll”. They were writing from their 1940’s idea of cool. I revisited Batman Family comics earlier this year and had a blast reliving my childhood. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
Don't disagree with you -- but, for the record, Bob Rozakis was only 25 when he wrote this story. Mind you, he undoubtedly grew up on 1960s comics with middle-aged authors -- and overblown narrative and corny dialogue were still widely used in the '70s. Yet, in a story with so many recycled characters, Killer Moth's misogyny and Cavalier's rampant chauvinism seemed completely natural for holdovers from a previous generation -- while standing out as glaringly anachronistic, even then.
May not seem like much by today's standards, but Rozakis showed Kathy Kane as a woman running her own business -- a far cry from "1940s cool." And, somewhat ironically (considering the point of the story was why Batgirl chose not to call herself Batwoman), he would later be the writer who rechristened the Silver Age Hawkgirl as Hawkwoman.
"...while you are down there..." geez Sasha, phrasing!
Thanks for sharing this chapter of Batman Family history. A great team up and a great update (for the time) of Batwoman.
Oh, man, the Batman Family comic was good stuff. And even better when they went to the Dollar Comic size! Batman Family #19 was one of my earliest comics I bought off the comic book racks, but you can bet I picked up all the back issues! Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Man-Bat, and other occasional surprises like the Batwoman appearance were a lot of fun. And Bob Rozakis was the king of fun comic book stories!
My comment needs more exclamation points!!!! AND ALL CAPS JUST LIKE THE COMICS THEMSELVES!!!!
Back then those “giant” books were worth the $1 to buy, nowadays we get 22 pages of mostly nothing for 4 dollars.
How very distressing! I didn't need a translator for the very old slang.
What a coincidence! Me, too!
Love me some Kathy Kane! And glad they took the approach of treating her respectfully & not dismissively. Also VINCE COLETTA! Say what you will but if you want something done ON TIME Vince is your man! He hits that deadline everytime!
You see, I could focus on the Lady Bat team up, but instead I'm laughing about how Superbat figured out each other's identities. Like, did they just awkwardly turn the lights back off again and pretend nothing happened...I need to know Sasha.
this was one of my favorite stories as a kid. Thanks for the memory
I really appreciate your channel! I'm not able to collect comics like i did as a kid but i love them and you breaking down and reading them allows me to remain in the comic loop...thank you 🖤
Dear Sacha, make a video for Bat-Mite please. And one another for Mr Mxyptlk.
And Mr. Mxytplk.
Yeah actually that bit about "only one Batwoman" was pretty heartwarming :3
You'll never convince me that OG Batwoman and Marvel's Firestar didn't just have one costume that they shared.
Thanks for highlighting another part of comics history that I was unaware of. I actually really want to see more of Babs and Kathy together now. I'd also love to see Cavalier meet Harley, just so she could comment on his very obvious psychological issues.😅
Casually Comics!
Sasha!
You have inspired me to start wearing wigs.
So if the Villagers start hunting me with Torches & Pitchforks, Please KNOW!
It is ALL YOUR FAULT!!!
Also please keep up the Good Work.
love(agape)
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8:58 Batwoman looks to be in pretty good shape for a "retired jet-setter" *ahem*
Casually comics batgirl has been called a dare doll before in the 1960s Adam west Batman show
3:28 Cavalier is dressed like the Hobgoblin
Batwoman commenting on being to old just shows she'd not as insane as Bruce about "the mission" but that's the difference between him and a lot of heroes. Although isn't this the continuity where he retires and becomes police chief ?
Personally I love these issues and it's something DC sort of threw away and didn't think about when they did the original Crisis.
This issue is letting us look into the better parts of DC's continuity and history as well as updating it and maturing the characters within. It's why the 70's era of DC where they're openly enjoying Earth-2 and showing the Golden Agers being older, more mature, some moving into retirement appeals to me, because we're breaking the mold of the characters forever being locked at a specific age and just being....static.
I would've loved to have seen Kathy hang around Babs as a kind of mentor/supporting character. Babs runs into someone Kathy encountered or a case that is like one Kathy worked on and she mentors or maybe gets involved with.
It's comics at its best to me when it embraces and runs with its history instead of trying to deny it.
earth 2 was the perfect playground for older characters as you could play around with them and see them grow and retire. I understand why dc wanted to delete the multiverse, but could they have not rebooted earth 1 and kept it as it was while still telling new post-crisis stories, and have earth 2 be its own book?
4 months late to this but I need a video on Clark and Bruce learning of each other's identities. Please.
4:17 I mean, if Comic Pop has taught me anything, this can happen. If we can have King Shark in a chicken coop, why not Killer Moth in a person's closet?
I'm curious about seeing Batwoman shaped so similar to Power girl only Batwoman is showingSO MUCH MORE - to be Cavalier, SCANDALOUS!!! 👍🏻💓😊🦇
The word puss was once a slang term for face...So Having Killer Moth say that line to Batgirl...well...lets just say for a mind as twisted as mine...the jokes were....bluer than Batgirl's cowl
Killer Moth's Condom Cannon? Killer Moth's Prophylactic Pistol? Killer Moth's Rubber Rifle?
?!?!??? I thought 'puss', in this context, meant 'face'.
I was gonna say the same thing. Sort of 40s mobster slang.
It's a shame that DC has no interest in doing something with Kathy Kane as they could have given her another superhero name.
Holy Team-ups, Batman!!
man, we need to bring back "pretty puss". Also, I love earth 2 and don't understand why it was deleted. I understand dc wanted to streamline things, but they didn't have to reboot earth 1 to tell new stories. Also, they could've kept earth 2 as its own book, with multiple issues from detective, action and wonder comics kinda like manga. And it could be playground for writers to evolve characters to have them grow and be replaced.
Another great job of taking us down memory lane! The DC stories of the mid 50s to late 60s are some of my favorite because of their silliness, hokeyness and even absurdity. It is was always a treat to see them re-emerge largely intact in the Bronze Age before the Great Disaster -aka "Crisis" wiped out all that gooey richness.
So now a request for Sasha....
I would love to hear your take on the DC superhero team of the late 50s that predates the Justice League of America....the Club of Heroes! Maybe I'm the only person who thought they were fun but....yeah, I thought they were fun. And silly. A bit derivative. Ethno-appropriate. Ridiculous. But a blast just the same!!!!
I like to imagine there is a pub where all the B and C class villains hag out.just me head canon
Sadly just finding out about your page this late into it lol , love your videos , as a major DC collector I adore what you make
Sasha is the best thing to happen to comics ... ever.
I love these shows.
Cavalier apparently missed reading the DC 1st for LADY COP!
I kinda liked the team up, (and yes, I was reading those comics when they came out,) but I thought (at the time) a better ending would have been Batwoman asking Barbara to take up the mantle (not the costume,) and Barbara becoming Batwoman. Of course now-a-days I like the new Batwoman. And, it may be mean, it may be cruel, but I think Bab's was at her best when she was Oracle.
And then there's the Huntress. As I (we) started having kids I found it harder and harder to justify spending on the often foot high stack of comics at the comic shop. (No Regrets, and my four year old grand can name the whole bat-family, and my six year old will tell you "I am Batman!" (And Batman's a Jedi)(I am a little worried how much the younger likes his kiddie Cuthulu books.)) But I'd been a BIG fan of Helena Wayne Huntress, the child of Batman and Catwoman, only to learn she'd become a mobsters daughter? Say it isn't so . To me she too is one of the Batwomen.
As always, for all your efforts, observations, (variety of hair,) wisdom, logic, delivery, and the video they produce, thank you so very very much.
Wish Kathy and Babs would crossover again
10:51 Don't you live there though? If a woman can't speak her mind in her own spare bedroom/secret lair, where can she?!
My six-year-old loves superheroes and really enjoys this channel. He also thought this video was very funny.
11:25 Kate Kane: Am I a joke to you?
I actually had this comic as a kid. I remember liking the team and being mad when they killed of Batwoman.
Ahhh, pre-plosion 70’s DC. It seems to be taylor made for the whims of Casually Comics! Also, while this content would seem to self explain the DC implosion, a fun factoid of the situation is that Batman Family outsold Detective Comics! The company almost imploded the famous Detective Comics but decided to move the stories planned for Batman Family over to Detective and cancelled Batman Family instead. Prolly a good idea since the company letterhead literally is from Detective Comics in the 1930’s.
*Sasha: **_"Don't... date... your cousin... Clark!"_*
*_"What is it, the Alabama of Europe?!"_*
*-- Sterling Archer* 😉
This one was a lot of fun. I personally find the pre-crisis batwoman way more interesting than the modern version. It'd be interesting if one of DC's several upcoming reboots went for a mix-and-match between the two...
These old comics are great, and it's good to see someone giving them the attention they deserve.
The one with Robin riding that bike
The two-facedness of the wardrobe department this episode
Sasha's commentary & narration cracks me up 😆
I would have loved a few issues that had Barbara Gordon injured and not able to be Batgirl and Kathy Kane coming out of retirement and taking the mantle of Batgirl for a period. That could have influenced how Knightfall occurred and solidified Bruce's conviction of his Jean-Paul Valley replacement over Dick Grayson.
There was a Batgirl before Barbara.
Betty Kane.