Cheaters, duping, exploits, spambots, and other such problems are also not at all a futile battle with Unity. While our number one priority right now is the stability of the Unity client and resolution of disconnections (we will not take it out of beta until this is achieved), the client enables us to combat these issues far better than we could on Flash with superior tracking, detection, and ultimately outright prevention for more advanced problems. Exalt is not a fix in and of itself but it helps immensely in what we are capable of doing to treat these problems, especially in the long term for things like duping.
Competition for RotMG is gonna to be fantastic. If those games can shake DECA enough to create a better product, I'm all for it. In fact, maybe the community can even organize a RotMG boycott in the future when these games are released.
3 weeks after apex legends was released, fortnite fixed everything people had been complaining about for months. Let's hope these games can get DECA to do the same.
I've been speaking up on so many of the issues that this game has had over the years, but for the most part, it falls on deaf ears. Despite having been a content creator for realm for over 4 years at this point, I don't have the audience that can listen. Good to know the big guys share the same sentiments.
Been playing for 10 years and I like to say that I'm feeling untroubled and carefree having someone that actually cares about the game speaking out. Especially when that person has a seat a the table (has a big viewer base) Great vid man
First played this game 10 years ago and I feel I hold an unpopular opinion. I feel the game is in a perfectly playable state; but hear me out. Ever since the move to Exalt, I've never had any of these performance issues so many people claim - frame skips, client side lag, the lot. My only gripes are spambots, and perhaps how stingy they are when it comes to new players. I have hundreds of vault spaces so I don't need to worry, but i often hear that new players only being able to get a free vault or character slot every couple months is simply not good enough. But perhaps the biggest problem of all, in a game that awards permanent spendable points upon death, why the fuck is there nothing to spend them on? Seriously? A few dyes, or the wildly gold-favoured pet system, there's not much else. You should be able to buy just about everything for fame, whether it be an extremely large amount for chests and slots, at least that gives F2P players something to work towards.
Because being able to buy too many vault/character slots for fame means Deca would lose out on short term profit. It's obvious that's all they care about, they have barely made any changes that favors long term player growth over short time profit. The only thing I can think of is that new accounts can purchase one vault and character slot for fame. Wow, big deal, you get 8 more spaces to hold the tens-hundreds of items you're looting because you're seeing them for the first time and think you need to store them all, and now you get a farming character slot and a main character slot. And no, "just log into the game daily for five+ months" is not a valid argument, many players quit before they're even two weeks in and they can't be bothered to log in every day to a pixel game that takes five minutes to load.
@@GameWinner5 you are both speaking for everyone else, takes minutes to load and many hours to build an character just to sometimes (most of the times) lose it for something that is not your fault by any chance, this combined with the stuff you have said is what makes*this game not even close to the enjoyable that it should be…
ahh thank you so much for the shoutout! while Beneath the Nexus is still pretty early on in development, Darza’s is really fantastic already, and I have so much respect for the team responsible. the future is bright!
Been on for 10 years and never met anyone who could quit the game successfully including myself, deca can do whatever and i’ll still be playing im too far in
Rotmg has so much potential still, I’ve been playing for over 8 years and ik theres many others who have that much time on the game as well even more. If deca were to fix all these problems with duping, cheaters all these damn spam bots, and especially their client so many more people would come back and hopefully more people come in general. It saddens me that even over the course of so long all these companies haven’t tackled the problems the game has always had.
They've been really comfortable over the years receiving a crap load of money without any strong competence, now that it's finally happening, I hope they actually start working and improve their shit, starting by optimizing the game, because wtf are those PC reqs for a pixelated Unity game? lmao
i love rotmg with all my heart and have played it for years, although recently with the problems of lag and un-optimisation it's been difficult. I hope they fix the problems and can bring it to a stable state, very good video.
Been playin the game for 7 years now off and on so thank you for making this video hopefully with this competition they will make the game good and fun again. I will personally be playing BTN mostly likely. was really fun a few years ago and am exited for what's to come. GJ mate on the video
Yooo, literally been playing Darza’s dominion since a week after it launched in February of 2017. Loved the hell out of that game especially because getting a white bag was so rare. I played for months before getting one and it was worth it lol. The game has changed so much since the early days and I can’t wait for it to fully come out. I don’t understand why rotmg has not thought of making a mobile client because being able to play a rotmg like game on mobile was so fun and actually worked really well. Apparently they will be letting old players keep all their old items so when it launches can’t wait to finally use my 8/8 s again and start some new ones!
Also watching more I remember the crowns lol, don’t think I had the most dead fame for one week but I was definitely second once and that crown was so nice lol
someone bought realm gold on my brothers account with my brothers card. So my brother was confused and tried to ask for his money back because he didn't purchase the gold. So deca took the gold away and gave him the money back. But apparently its against ToS to refund gold so my brother is temprorarily banned until he pays back the money that got refunded. Yeah he's never paying that. He quit
I remember playing Darza's on my phone years ago, I was so sad when it was no longer supported on my phone's OS and they stopped updating the game. I got a few white bags and had a cracked character at one point. It was so fun like NPEing in Realm.
I'm back on realm since the beginning of MotMG, and have been playing the game for around 10 years now, coming back at different moments, for different periods of time. I have to agree that I miss a lot of things from the old realm, like public tombs to give an example (which is tied to a highly symptomatic problem of the actual state of RotMG tbh) but I'm not sure I would be ready to change for another game. I might be too attached to everything that makes rotmg what it is, probably because of nostalgia. However I hope these games will shake Deca and force them into actually doing something good with RotMG, because it has such a huge potential. And everything isn't bad, such as the O3 fight, it's one of the updates that made me have fun again, learning patterns and dying in a game where you lose your character when you do. I hope content creators and the community will manage to do something and won't be forced to go on another game, but I'll probably take a look at Darza.
Every time I consider that maybe I should look for a different perma-death bullet hell MMORPG, I say nahhh I've played realm for about 10 years and I just want to keep getting better at it. I love it and I'm pretty sure I will for a very long time. Darza's and BtN do look really nice though, and a higher framerate is tempting. I'd love to give them a try.
So every time we complained to DECA about bugs, non optimized client, hackers, cheaters, stupid chat-filter, lack of guild content, lame customer support they always responded with that they are a small company with very small team of developers and employees while they were in fact making 146 million/ quarter in revenue. They were lying all the time to escape from their responsibilities towards the game community. Thank you Seb for opening our eyes to the truth and how naive we were. Also thank you for reviewing these two new games. I got particularly interested in Darza so see you there :D
You realize that 146 million in revenue is different from 146 million profit? 146 million is without costs of maintaining games, paying employees, and other costs. RotMG isn't even Deca's only game, they have other games with other teams and developers. The true number is much, much lower than this. It honestly infuriates me how much people blindly follow sebchoof's word without bothering to research their own numbers. If you want to hate on Deca, that's fine. Everyone has their own opinion. But if you're going to blindly follow someone's word without putting in an ounce of research or effort yourself, then you shouldn't be making such blanket statements like these.
@@faya5429 So you want to say that the game we all play and know how faulty and non optimized it is consumes the majority of these 146 millions on things like servers, maintenance, and the "small team" salaries every 3 months? You want to convince me that RotMG potato servers consume the majority of all these million? You are the one who is still under the effect of DECA lies. And in the quote provided by Seb the guy mentioned RotMG to be the main crown jewel of DECA games regarding revenue. That means most of the 146 millions comes from RotMG. In fact if you remember many of the current mobile games owned by DECA have appeared only after the unity campaign money. I strongly suspect that unity campaign donations were rerouted to be used to produce those games.
@@HO-YTchannel I feel like you have never done any bit of game developing in your life. A 10 year old game ported from Flash to Unity, which has to be supported by a very small community, of course it's non-optimized. It was probably rushed as well to get ahead of the deadline of Flash's termination, and I can definetly see how millions can go into constantly maintaining or fixing bugs that appear. Name me one game thats 10 years old, that's still active with a playerbase that actually enjoys the game, and doesn't have bad servers, and bugs everywhere.
@@faya5429 I did some research since you couldnt be bothered! Games youre looking for: OSRS, Runescape 3, World of Warcraft, Maplestory, Left for Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Guild Wars 2 is just off 10 years, eve online, are games i found in the first 10 mins of searching that at most might have one of those issues that you mentions. RotMG has all 3
@@sebchoof You You're joking right? TF2 is absolutely infested with bots, hackers, bugs, and its been 1400 days without an update. Left for Dead 2 I can't speak for because I've never played the game, but that's not anywhere near the game style of RotMG? It's a small scale, around 5 players per server? That's not MMORPG dude. Guild Wars literally shut down support for all Mac users. Can't really speak for Maplestory, a good game, though a bit simplistic. OSRS is literally a dumpster fire of horrible management by the company Furthermore, most of these games that you mentioned aren't anywhere near the scope of RotMG. RotMG isn't backed by a huge game company. All of these games you mentioned are massively successful games, with millions of players. Tens of thousands of daily players, with still massive active communities. RotMG isn't anywhere near this large. So maybe I should've rephrased: Give me a 10 year old game not massively successful or backed by a huge game company like Valve or Blizzard, that's a MMORPG.
I think what is really inhibiting realm's growth is the skill to entry, new players have to struggle harder than anyone else and are liable to drop the game quickly and never experience any of the later game. I think adding more ways for newer players to grow stronger like easier in-between dungeons should be advised. Some quality of life changes could be spawning all new accounts with a free heal, mheal pet, and revamping the tutorial to explain how their pet works and things of that nature.
I remember back at 2017 I was searching in the play store to see if existed rotmg on mobile then I finded darza it was so fun but I gave up bc it was too hard to aim and dodge on my old phone And rotf jeez I remember when I was thinking on quitting on rotmg to only play rotf instead good old times ;) Ps: ty for reading all of this xD
you might be right but i can tell you from experience that both the darza and btn client ran so nicely and i wish that will be anywhere near how rotmg will run in future
I can run guild wars 2, a much more visually impressive game, off a flash drive plugged into the usb slot of my computer much better and at higher frame rates than exalt. Also, I can boot all 55 GB of guild wars 2 from a 3 year old flash drive 5x faster than I can boot all 0.3 GB of rotmg from my new SSD hardrive. Yes, GW2 is an old game, but it's sprites and game mechanics much more complex than rotmg and it's pixel graphics.
One thing I absolutely LOVE about the rune system in these games is that there's a chance it will give players a less punishing experience but it will also allow people to test and push themselves to do harder content/use harder runes MCDraft made a great point on stream a while ago about Realm and how it was such an interesting game to play because you could do pretty much any content you wanted with whatever degree of difficulty you want (PPE's, only using certain low tier weapons etc.) Having a system potentially being noob friendly but also customisable so that people who want to try harder can do so is such a good sign for healthy gameplay and not turning away newbies or casual players like myself So down to play BtN when it comes out :D
aint gonna lie. it was already left to die. I played it everyday until it disappeared and i checked google play store everyday for like 2 years straight and it still wasnt updated. To be honest, no point of updating cuz people already got tired of waiting and they forgot about Darza Dominion. It isnt gonna get anywhere close to as many players as before.
It still costs to keep a game alive and its hard to make a bad game good. I can see many things that just need fundamental changes. Its even harder when you're a shit company. Maybe they just take a lot of the money themselves and enjoy their own lives which is fair play.
tbf most of that money comes from their shit-predatory-mobile-games-with-lootbox-mechanics like dragonvale no wonder they're trying to turn rotmg into one of those garbage games as well. longtime fans like us might curse deca all we want but at the end of the day, we're still gonna fucking spend money on it. Rotmg is forever dead, the only way to save this genre is to burn the structure down and start back from the foundations - hence, btn and darza
Wasn't what I expected this to be and I'm pleasantly surprised 😅. I was a P4 for RotF back in the day. I admit I haven't kept up with the Beta even though I could have had access. Honestly really excited to try both of these now when they come out. The last old Shatters event really killed my motivation to endlessly grind in RotMG.
I'm surprised DECA hasn't put any effort into making the wares in the nexus look not scummy. To this day wc tops are being sold for 4$. Darza's developers being quick to fix things is reassuring. Imagine if DECA was that fast to fix things like tiers still being shown in weapon descriptions even when the option is turned off in the settings, and rogues being forced to nexus after getting quieted, an unnecessary feature that should have never been introduced to begin with. (The Arena was removed, the reason why this was added to begin with, and yet they still keep this.)
ik what you mean but btn/rotf have been working on unity way before the takedown also i think the client may be more optimized than rotmg because it was made from scratch but idk client optimization and performance could change heavily if a huge load of people come but thats a possibility
Part of the charm of ROTMG goes back to when it was hosted on the webpage, how the whole thing is held together by duct tape yet manages to keep you enthralled and coming back. Back in the old days it was electric. You can say it was the guilds, or it was this or that, but the fact is no one knows, they just captured something special and it was despite all of it's failings. And whatever that is, it still remains. These other games, while I respect their efforts, are simply imitators, so they will never surpass the original imo.
I started around 1 week ago and i already did a lot of stuff. I love this game but talking with friends i notice something not good for this type of game. Every single usefull thing drops from Orys. This Oryx give so much that render useless all the rest almost beside the usual 4-5 dungeons. It's so hard find someoone for dungeon that are not the same 4-5 all the time. I notice the entire game collapse on doing Oryx 3 pretty much.
I probably won't be playing Beneath the Nexus unless the core mechanics of the way loot works is changed. Essentially the more damage you dealt to a boss the higher your loot chance would be (I think every 1% damage dealt is a 2% loot bonus), I despise this system since it encouraged EVERYONE to go for a full DPS build. In a co-op MMO game with multiple support classes you want people to have a reason to pick said support classes, however anyone who played Revenge of the Fallen will tell you that people rarely ever did because they were missing out on potential loot. Some bosses had soulbound thresholds you had to hit in order to qualify for legendary/primal loot as well (this was usually 2% of the bosses hp), so you can imagine how it was for dungeons with 50+ people. The priests who kept the group alive were unable to hit that threshold whilst those who followed the DPS meta were barely able to hit it, any class that wasn't a slave to this meta felt completely useless to play as. You should be rewarded for successfully surviving the bosses different phases and taking them down as a group, you shouldn't be hoping and praying that the players with you don't do too much damage as to stop you from hitting soulbound. RotF had an amazing rune system with hundreds of unique items, I loved the creativity you had when creating builds. However most people would pick the same class with the same items and the same runes because it was optimized to do the most DPS possible. I'm praying they don't make the same mistake this time.
No matter the issues, ill probably always enjoy Realm. I am optimistic about its future as well, and have been for the last near 9 years. Hopefully they do respond to competition with more passion and interest in updates/fixes
I think if ROTMG is to live and prosper in the future, DECA will probably most likely have to overhaul and rework the entire game. I remember when I first started (8 years ago), only 1 out of 20 people had endgame stuff, but now it seems every player now has decent to endgame items (besides new players of course). Also maxing is so easy now compared to the past when it could take you maybe a week or more to max, but now it takes maybe a day or 2. And because everyone is so stacked now, steamrolling is such a big issue. They tried to fix this with better health scaling, but I feel like that's not working either now (or is frustrating with maxed dungeons). There was the nice addition of exaltations, but that's only gunna keep people around for so long. I just hope sooner or later, that this game gets truly revived back to it's former self one day.
I actually got accepted to the mobile testing for Darza’s, starting tomorrow sebchoof! I’ll more than likely see you on! Can’t wait to see what 2 years of hard work and dedication has brought. Thanks for the video man!
This is fantastic. Good competition is so healthy for games. It forces companies to get off their asses and spend more resources than they wanted to make the game better. Deca will have to actually optimize Realm or lose players to Beneath the Nexus.
As you said i was on the sidelines waiting for rotmg to get its shit together, but these 2 new games look insane and i cant wait to play them. The 3d aspect of the first game is what i expected from the unity port.
This has been DECA's thing for years now. Look at the app Knights & Dragons, I used to love this game, it had HUGE potential. DECA bought the rights to the app and over the next 3 years made 0 storyline updates. DECA only increased the amount of ways you could pay to win and sucked the game dry.
When swatsec was gaping rotmg in came a game called Magic Barrage - if you were one of the people that played MB when rotmg was dead you know how good that shit was I am looking forward to some competition
I wish Steambirds had been better, it had a lot of personality and character going for it but the mechanics were just way too loose to feel at all satisfying (I'm looking at you, tank controls)
Great video - kinda hits the nail on the head with a lot of issues. Out of curiosity, did you decide to stop being a deca partner out of frustration with the state of the game?
I think an important thing to take away is even you don't care for these new games and just want realm to be better, joining the discords and subscribing to the TH-cam channels buts pressure on Deca
If even half of the fixes/features these games have make it into ROTMG then the game will be in such a good place. That said, at this point I have a hard time getting "excited for the future of ROTMG" since I've been telling myself that changed like these have been "coming" soon for years. I'd jump ship for either of these if I hadn't poured so much time and money into ROTMG (purple name + glow). Also I don't ever want to hear someone say DECA is better than Kabam. They probably are better, but the point is the same core issues have not been solved or even seriously addressed. Doesn't matter how much shiny new content DECA adds if the base game is an actual joke.
Just because the system requirements on the steam page are high doesn't mean you actually need them. I run the game perfectly fine on my actual toaster that took 30 min to open up the league client but if i tried running apex my laptop would actually just overheat and shut off.
The problem with this game is that lately it seems like they dont even want to be bigger or attract more people EVEN IF THEY DO the servers cant even handle 5k active playing people! It seems like they dont really care and put no effort at all for bringing new players into the game. The state of the game is just frozen... They look like blizzard at this point just milking the players it currently has.
Either the title is total clickbait, or the point you were trying to make was that Deca is going to have to produce better updates once they no longer have a monopoly on the game genre.
so the future of rotmg is bright by having other games take from it? i suppose competition may set them straight. I'll probably follow your updates maybe pick up one of those new games (maybe both) but awesome vid nonetheless! btw does any1 know whats the song right before the outro?
@@sebchoof i kinda meant the one after that i think if you got the time. you use that track all the time its real nice edit: also if you don't mind explaining this: th-cam.com/video/8cg8Toe9J0M/w-d-xo.html to me, i'd appreciate it lol
I quite realm for revenge of the Fallen and I'm most likely gunna do it again for beneath the nexus. Been playing realm for 8 years and it just makes me sad when I look at the state of it.
The guild system you said on revenge of the fallen would be like discord runs. High reqs not allowing new players to get into established guilds and groups.
True but it’s important that they don’t play in private together, one thing I miss is active realms, haven’t even heard the last time someone’s done a void from a sentry but it would be normal if discord’s weren’t around
@@sebchoof Yup, I think we are to fast to think of solutions on these grindy games that we outrun the development from the programmers and people working on the games.
The big problem I have with rotmg is the fact that its not beginner friendly at all. At first you can kinda slog through the shit and trying to make a name for yourself. Only to realize you need a gazillion amount of fame to do that. Realize that all the fame you got up until now isnt even worth a t5 item in nexus. This is what I think is so bad about the game. Gaining fame is so hard for new/mid players, you have to have a lot of OP items and knowledge to gain above 10k in a life. And since almost anything can kill you even at lvl20 with decent items, you lose motivation fast cause you never get past 1k fame in one life. Its like 90% of the game is endgame. Create a new type of endgame gear, and make it hard for the current endgame players to achieve and somehow increase the fame at the start. Like I've been playing for ~30h and my total fame is like 6k. Whatever I do I just cant get past 1k on a life, I either get oneshot by something or spend hours on half decent dungeons just to earn a tiny bit more fame.
yeah. that's why there are so many cheaters in rotmg. Endgame is way too fucking easy but theres almost no sense of progression from early game to endgame which makes the game feel extremely unfair to early game players and extremely boring to endgame players, leading to many earlygame players turning to cheating. Btn and darza have much more difficult endgame dungeons that o3 or new shatts, but also an actual competent framework for player progression so players can slowly work their way up to those difficult dungeons without ever feeling overwhelmed at the difficulty level or frustrated that they're not making progress.
Did they even try to market realm like they do no ads i just know deca beacuse of the past but idk how does new player discover it but most likely there friend just said to try it out but overall just market it better
I think that private servers proved that deca will have monopoly and their "way" is the best of all available. So they will have monopoly and continue to ignore problems xD
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Cheaters, duping, exploits, spambots, and other such problems are also not at all a futile battle with Unity. While our number one priority right now is the stability of the Unity client and resolution of disconnections (we will not take it out of beta until this is achieved), the client enables us to combat these issues far better than we could on Flash with superior tracking, detection, and ultimately outright prevention for more advanced problems. Exalt is not a fix in and of itself but it helps immensely in what we are capable of doing to treat these problems, especially in the long term for things like duping.
So I geuss it's still in beta LUL
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Discord runs killed this game
Competition for RotMG is gonna to be fantastic. If those games can shake DECA enough to create a better product, I'm all for it. In fact, maybe the community can even organize a RotMG boycott in the future when these games are released.
One good example is how valorant made valve pay more attention to CS:GO
@@shreyasrao6515 That's interesting, I didn't know about that.
@@shreyasrao6515 a comedian where?
3 weeks after apex legends was released, fortnite fixed everything people had been complaining about for months. Let's hope these games can get DECA to do the same.
@@jerod4036 fingers crossed bro
>Rotmg future is exciting and here is why.
Proceeds to talk about alternatives.
Holy fucking based.
Deca: *doesn't keep the game interesting nor optimizes it*
RotMG players: Fine, i'll do it myself.
sonic mania all over again, and that’s a good thing
I've been speaking up on so many of the issues that this game has had over the years, but for the most part, it falls on deaf ears. Despite having been a content creator for realm for over 4 years at this point, I don't have the audience that can listen. Good to know the big guys share the same sentiments.
Don’t worry, BTN will be here soon enough.
“Rotmg’s future is exciting and this is why”
_And other funny jokes you can tell yourself_
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If btn is as good or better than rotf rotmg is going to die if they dont fix the game
@@Xarros1 rotmg won't die, people have invested too much and made too much progress, to leave it aside
@@iKenshi it wont die but btn will probably gain more players soon
@@ohdrxw6757 oh for sure
Been playing for 10 years and I like to say that I'm feeling untroubled and carefree having someone that actually cares about the game speaking out. Especially when that person has a seat a the table (has a big viewer base)
Great vid man
"insane amount of people sitting on the sidelines waiting for the game to be good again"
Way too true for me and many others :/
I feel ya man
First played this game 10 years ago and I feel I hold an unpopular opinion. I feel the game is in a perfectly playable state; but hear me out. Ever since the move to Exalt, I've never had any of these performance issues so many people claim - frame skips, client side lag, the lot. My only gripes are spambots, and perhaps how stingy they are when it comes to new players. I have hundreds of vault spaces so I don't need to worry, but i often hear that new players only being able to get a free vault or character slot every couple months is simply not good enough.
But perhaps the biggest problem of all, in a game that awards permanent spendable points upon death, why the fuck is there nothing to spend them on? Seriously? A few dyes, or the wildly gold-favoured pet system, there's not much else. You should be able to buy just about everything for fame, whether it be an extremely large amount for chests and slots, at least that gives F2P players something to work towards.
Because being able to buy too many vault/character slots for fame means Deca would lose out on short term profit. It's obvious that's all they care about, they have barely made any changes that favors long term player growth over short time profit.
The only thing I can think of is that new accounts can purchase one vault and character slot for fame. Wow, big deal, you get 8 more spaces to hold the tens-hundreds of items you're looting because you're seeing them for the first time and think you need to store them all, and now you get a farming character slot and a main character slot. And no, "just log into the game daily for five+ months" is not a valid argument, many players quit before they're even two weeks in and they can't be bothered to log in every day to a pixel game that takes five minutes to load.
@@GameWinner5 you are both speaking for everyone else, takes minutes to load and many hours to build an character just to sometimes (most of the times) lose it for something that is not your fault by any chance, this combined with the stuff you have said is what makes*this game not even close to the enjoyable that it should be…
ahh thank you so much for the shoutout! while Beneath the Nexus is still pretty early on in development, Darza’s is really fantastic already, and I have so much respect for the team responsible. the future is bright!
Got really hyped now, wanna test both
Can't wait to leave rotmg for the real rotmg
Been on for 10 years and never met anyone who could quit the game successfully including myself, deca can do whatever and i’ll still be playing im too far in
Same!
This is why decca does what they do to us. Because of us.
I can’t wait to get back on darza man
Same, I remember playing it years ago and then it got closed
only a few weeks left :o
Rotmg has so much potential still, I’ve been playing for over 8 years and ik theres many others who have that much time on the game as well even more. If deca were to fix all these problems with duping, cheaters all these damn spam bots, and especially their client so many more people would come back and hopefully more people come in general. It saddens me that even over the course of so long all these companies haven’t tackled the problems the game has always had.
They've been really comfortable over the years receiving a crap load of money without any strong competence, now that it's finally happening, I hope they actually start working and improve their shit, starting by optimizing the game, because wtf are those PC reqs for a pixelated Unity game? lmao
I like how the thumbnail says “the future is exciting” then there is an 8/8 grave behind it XD
i love rotmg with all my heart and have played it for years, although recently with the problems of lag and un-optimisation it's been difficult. I hope they fix the problems and can bring it to a stable state, very good video.
Been playin the game for 7 years now off and on so thank you for making this video hopefully with this competition they will make the game good and fun again. I will personally be playing BTN mostly likely. was really fun a few years ago and am exited for what's to come. GJ mate on the video
what does btn stand for
@@qwertyki9367 Beneath the Nexus
been playing rotmg for 8+years, and omfg its about time somthing better came along
Yooo, literally been playing Darza’s dominion since a week after it launched in February of 2017. Loved the hell out of that game especially because getting a white bag was so rare. I played for months before getting one and it was worth it lol. The game has changed so much since the early days and I can’t wait for it to fully come out. I don’t understand why rotmg has not thought of making a mobile client because being able to play a rotmg like game on mobile was so fun and actually worked really well. Apparently they will be letting old players keep all their old items so when it launches can’t wait to finally use my 8/8 s again and start some new ones!
Also watching more I remember the crowns lol, don’t think I had the most dead fame for one week but I was definitely second once and that crown was so nice lol
someone bought realm gold on my brothers account with my brothers card. So my brother was confused and tried to ask for his money back because he didn't purchase the gold. So deca took the gold away and gave him the money back. But apparently its against ToS to refund gold so my brother is temprorarily banned until he pays back the money that got refunded. Yeah he's never paying that. He quit
Deca be like "How dare you took our money away from us because you dealt with fraud! Banned! No more video game for you! Give us more money!! >:(((( "
@@GameWinner5 exactly
I remember playing Darza's on my phone years ago, I was so sad when it was no longer supported on my phone's OS and they stopped updating the game. I got a few white bags and had a cracked character at one point. It was so fun like NPEing in Realm.
Saaame
I'm back on realm since the beginning of MotMG, and have been playing the game for around 10 years now, coming back at different moments, for different periods of time.
I have to agree that I miss a lot of things from the old realm, like public tombs to give an example (which is tied to a highly symptomatic problem of the actual state of RotMG tbh) but I'm not sure I would be ready to change for another game. I might be too attached to everything that makes rotmg what it is, probably because of nostalgia.
However I hope these games will shake Deca and force them into actually doing something good with RotMG, because it has such a huge potential. And everything isn't bad, such as the O3 fight, it's one of the updates that made me have fun again, learning patterns and dying in a game where you lose your character when you do.
I hope content creators and the community will manage to do something and won't be forced to go on another game, but I'll probably take a look at Darza.
Every time I consider that maybe I should look for a different perma-death bullet hell MMORPG, I say nahhh I've played realm for about 10 years and I just want to keep getting better at it. I love it and I'm pretty sure I will for a very long time. Darza's and BtN do look really nice though, and a higher framerate is tempting. I'd love to give them a try.
3:28 Currency is SEK. $1 ~ 8.7 SEK for those wondering
doing a quick google search, that equates to 16 million usd/quarter
4:02 your right, I should address my problems with rotmg with a video
**unzips memes**
Awesome video! Completely forgot about those other games. You revitalized my excitement for Darza’s, and there’s an open beta in a week???
Yeahh on the 26th :)
@@sebchoof where can i play darza when it opens?
@@urgle6228 the discord has all the info and links to the game
@@yesnt7356 thanks man
So every time we complained to DECA about bugs, non optimized client, hackers, cheaters, stupid chat-filter, lack of guild content, lame customer support they always responded with that they are a small company with very small team of developers and employees while they were in fact making 146 million/ quarter in revenue.
They were lying all the time to escape from their responsibilities towards the game community.
Thank you Seb for opening our eyes to the truth and how naive we were.
Also thank you for reviewing these two new games. I got particularly interested in Darza so see you there :D
You realize that 146 million in revenue is different from 146 million profit?
146 million is without costs of maintaining games, paying employees, and other costs.
RotMG isn't even Deca's only game, they have other games with other teams and developers.
The true number is much, much lower than this.
It honestly infuriates me how much people blindly follow sebchoof's word without bothering to research their own numbers.
If you want to hate on Deca, that's fine. Everyone has their own opinion. But if you're going to blindly follow someone's word without putting in an ounce of research or effort yourself, then you shouldn't be making such blanket statements like these.
@@faya5429 So you want to say that the game we all play and know how faulty and non optimized it is consumes the majority of these 146 millions on things like servers, maintenance, and the "small team" salaries every 3 months?
You want to convince me that RotMG potato servers consume the majority of all these million?
You are the one who is still under the effect of DECA lies.
And in the quote provided by Seb the guy mentioned RotMG to be the main crown jewel of DECA games regarding revenue. That means most of the 146 millions comes from RotMG.
In fact if you remember many of the current mobile games owned by DECA have appeared only after the unity campaign money. I strongly suspect that unity campaign donations were rerouted to be used to produce those games.
@@HO-YTchannel I feel like you have never done any bit of game developing in your life. A 10 year old game ported from Flash to Unity, which has to be supported by a very small community, of course it's non-optimized. It was probably rushed as well to get ahead of the deadline of Flash's termination, and I can definetly see how millions can go into constantly maintaining or fixing bugs that appear. Name me one game thats 10 years old, that's still active with a playerbase that actually enjoys the game, and doesn't have bad servers, and bugs everywhere.
@@faya5429 I did some research since you couldnt be bothered! Games youre looking for: OSRS, Runescape 3, World of Warcraft, Maplestory, Left for Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Guild Wars 2 is just off 10 years, eve online, are games i found in the first 10 mins of searching that at most might have one of those issues that you mentions. RotMG has all 3
@@sebchoof You
You're joking right?
TF2 is absolutely infested with bots, hackers, bugs, and its been 1400 days without an update.
Left for Dead 2 I can't speak for because I've never played the game, but that's not anywhere near the game style of RotMG? It's a small scale, around 5 players per server? That's not MMORPG dude.
Guild Wars literally shut down support for all Mac users.
Can't really speak for Maplestory, a good game, though a bit simplistic.
OSRS is literally a dumpster fire of horrible management by the company
Furthermore, most of these games that you mentioned aren't anywhere near the scope of RotMG.
RotMG isn't backed by a huge game company.
All of these games you mentioned are massively successful games, with millions of players. Tens of thousands of daily players, with still massive active communities.
RotMG isn't anywhere near this large.
So maybe I should've rephrased: Give me a 10 year old game not massively successful or backed by a huge game company like Valve or Blizzard, that's a MMORPG.
No way, Darza's Dominion is coming back? LET'S GO! Last time I played that game was around 2017 to 2018 on Mobile. Can't wait to play it on PC. 🥳
I think what is really inhibiting realm's growth is the skill to entry, new players have to struggle harder than anyone else and are liable to drop the game quickly and never experience any of the later game. I think adding more ways for newer players to grow stronger like easier in-between dungeons should be advised. Some quality of life changes could be spawning all new accounts with a free heal, mheal pet, and revamping the tutorial to explain how their pet works and things of that nature.
dude rotmg endgame is way too easy already
I remember back at 2017 I was searching in the play store to see if existed rotmg on mobile then I finded darza it was so fun but I gave up bc it was too hard to aim and dodge on my old phone
And rotf jeez I remember when I was thinking on quitting on rotmg to only play rotf instead good old times ;)
Ps: ty for reading all of this xD
when i used to play Rotf it was my fav game, even rotmg couldn't amaze me as much as rotf, but unfortunatelly it came to an end
i love the diddy kong soundtrack, just randomly thrown into this video but it fits so well.
steam recommended is not standardized im pretty sure, so its not really a great point for how either game should perform
this 100%
you might be right but i can tell you from experience that both the darza and btn client ran so nicely and i wish that will be anywhere near how rotmg will run in future
@@sebchoof i mean i run rotmg pretty darn well on a pc with an intel integrated graphics gpu and a i5-4300m. Just food for thought.
I can run guild wars 2, a much more visually impressive game, off a flash drive plugged into the usb slot of my computer much better and at higher frame rates than exalt. Also, I can boot all 55 GB of guild wars 2 from a 3 year old flash drive 5x faster than I can boot all 0.3 GB of rotmg from my new SSD hardrive. Yes, GW2 is an old game, but it's sprites and game mechanics much more complex than rotmg and it's pixel graphics.
Actually incredible video, nice job. Probably the best rotmg related video I've seen. Reminds me of my essays I write for college lol.
One thing I absolutely LOVE about the rune system in these games is that there's a chance it will give players a less punishing experience but it will also allow people to test and push themselves to do harder content/use harder runes
MCDraft made a great point on stream a while ago about Realm and how it was such an interesting game to play because you could do pretty much any content you wanted with whatever degree of difficulty you want (PPE's, only using certain low tier weapons etc.)
Having a system potentially being noob friendly but also customisable so that people who want to try harder can do so is such a good sign for healthy gameplay and not turning away newbies or casual players like myself
So down to play BtN when it comes out :D
Darza dominion, haven’t heard that name for a while after it shut down on mobile. Glad to see it’s still being worked on and wasn’t left to die
aint gonna lie. it was already left to die. I played it everyday until it disappeared and i checked google play store everyday for like 2 years straight and it still wasnt updated. To be honest, no point of updating cuz people already got tired of waiting and they forgot about Darza Dominion. It isnt gonna get anywhere close to as many players as before.
144,000,000€ revenue and they still can't make a good game? Wow...
Equates to around 16.5m USD because currency is in SEK. Still an insanely high amount, but maybe most of it came from the other games? Who knows
It still costs to keep a game alive and its hard to make a bad game good. I can see many things that just need fundamental changes. Its even harder when you're a shit company.
Maybe they just take a lot of the money themselves and enjoy their own lives which is fair play.
tbf most of that money comes from their shit-predatory-mobile-games-with-lootbox-mechanics like dragonvale
no wonder they're trying to turn rotmg into one of those garbage games as well. longtime fans like us might curse deca all we want but at the end of the day, we're still gonna fucking spend money on it. Rotmg is forever dead, the only way to save this genre is to burn the structure down and start back from the foundations - hence, btn and darza
Watch Deca's first reaction being just tryna sue them because they also use grass textures.
Wasn't what I expected this to be and I'm pleasantly surprised 😅. I was a P4 for RotF back in the day. I admit I haven't kept up with the Beta even though I could have had access. Honestly really excited to try both of these now when they come out. The last old Shatters event really killed my motivation to endlessly grind in RotMG.
I'm surprised DECA hasn't put any effort into making the wares in the nexus look not scummy. To this day wc tops are being sold for 4$.
Darza's developers being quick to fix things is reassuring. Imagine if DECA was that fast to fix things like tiers still being shown in weapon descriptions even when the option is turned off in the settings, and rogues being forced to nexus after getting quieted, an unnecessary feature that should have never been introduced to begin with. (The Arena was removed, the reason why this was added to begin with, and yet they still keep this.)
BTN and Darza are looking great! I can't wait to try them :) Great video bro.
ayo why the fuck are we playing realm when we could be playing these FANTASTIC games
Skip to 7:15 for the actual vid to start. Everything before that is complaining
Darza got me acting wild straight up i need new pants looking at this gameplay
Cant wait to shred some rampant citadels, from looking at teasers and updates the game has come a far way from the og version
ik what you mean but btn/rotf have been working on unity way before the takedown also i think the client may be more optimized than rotmg because it was made from scratch but idk client optimization and performance could change heavily if a huge load of people come but thats a possibility
Part of the charm of ROTMG goes back to when it was hosted on the webpage, how the whole thing is held together by duct tape yet manages to keep you enthralled and coming back. Back in the old days it was electric. You can say it was the guilds, or it was this or that, but the fact is no one knows, they just captured something special and it was despite all of it's failings. And whatever that is, it still remains.
These other games, while I respect their efforts, are simply imitators, so they will never surpass the original imo.
I started around 1 week ago and i already did a lot of stuff. I love this game but talking with friends i notice something not good for this type of game. Every single usefull thing drops from Orys. This Oryx give so much that render useless all the rest almost beside the usual 4-5 dungeons. It's so hard find someoone for dungeon that are not the same 4-5 all the time. I notice the entire game collapse on doing Oryx 3 pretty much.
Yup, biggest problem in the game, they just creep up top tier items to retain veterans
I really miss Nilly's Realm, I used to have more fun playing it than RotMG back in 2016. Such a bummer it had to shut down like most private servers
Nillys was a goated private server
I really miss nillys realm too, it was so much more fun to play than rotmg, especially with dungeons like asylum of chaos
I probably won't be playing Beneath the Nexus unless the core mechanics of the way loot works is changed.
Essentially the more damage you dealt to a boss the higher your loot chance would be (I think every 1% damage dealt is a 2% loot bonus), I despise this system since it encouraged EVERYONE to go for a full DPS build. In a co-op MMO game with multiple support classes you want people to have a reason to pick said support classes, however anyone who played Revenge of the Fallen will tell you that people rarely ever did because they were missing out on potential loot.
Some bosses had soulbound thresholds you had to hit in order to qualify for legendary/primal loot as well (this was usually 2% of the bosses hp), so you can imagine how it was for dungeons with 50+ people. The priests who kept the group alive were unable to hit that threshold whilst those who followed the DPS meta were barely able to hit it, any class that wasn't a slave to this meta felt completely useless to play as. You should be rewarded for successfully surviving the bosses different phases and taking them down as a group, you shouldn't be hoping and praying that the players with you don't do too much damage as to stop you from hitting soulbound.
RotF had an amazing rune system with hundreds of unique items, I loved the creativity you had when creating builds. However most people would pick the same class with the same items and the same runes because it was optimized to do the most DPS possible. I'm praying they don't make the same mistake this time.
I used to play Darzas Dominion I was sad when they took the servers down, glad to see they added some stuff though :)
Open beta in a few hours :O
@@sebchoof wow never thought I'd have sebchoof reply to my comment :D thanks for the heads up
No matter the issues, ill probably always enjoy Realm. I am optimistic about its future as well, and have been for the last near 9 years. Hopefully they do respond to competition with more passion and interest in updates/fixes
the moment beneath the nexus gets released you bet i am hopping there with my boys leaving realm for good
I think if ROTMG is to live and prosper in the future, DECA will probably most likely have to overhaul and rework the entire game. I remember when I first started (8 years ago), only 1 out of 20 people had endgame stuff, but now it seems every player now has decent to endgame items (besides new players of course). Also maxing is so easy now compared to the past when it could take you maybe a week or more to max, but now it takes maybe a day or 2. And because everyone is so stacked now, steamrolling is such a big issue. They tried to fix this with better health scaling, but I feel like that's not working either now (or is frustrating with maxed dungeons). There was the nice addition of exaltations, but that's only gunna keep people around for so long. I just hope sooner or later, that this game gets truly revived back to it's former self one day.
I actually got accepted to the mobile testing for Darza’s, starting tomorrow sebchoof! I’ll more than likely see you on! Can’t wait to see what 2 years of hard work and dedication has brought. Thanks for the video man!
this video needs to blow up
This is fantastic. Good competition is so healthy for games. It forces companies to get off their asses and spend more resources than they wanted to make the game better. Deca will have to actually optimize Realm or lose players to Beneath the Nexus.
Ill promise you one thing, once i fully exalt i will play BTN, by when i am fully exalted btn will be out so im set.
I was wondering if you were going to mention darzas, because it was soooo fun on mobile back in the day, you are right, really feels like old rotmg.
As you said i was on the sidelines waiting for rotmg to get its shit together, but these 2 new games look insane and i cant wait to play them.
The 3d aspect of the first game is what i expected from the unity port.
This has been DECA's thing for years now. Look at the app Knights & Dragons, I used to love this game, it had HUGE potential. DECA bought the rights to the app and over the next 3 years made 0 storyline updates. DECA only increased the amount of ways you could pay to win and sucked the game dry.
cant agree more. Ubisoft does the same. They buy random games and do 0 updates and Just add more stuff thats P2W based lmao
When swatsec was gaping rotmg in came a game called Magic Barrage - if you were one of the people that played MB when rotmg was dead you know how good that shit was I am looking forward to some competition
You got my sub, no matter how much I try to not like you, you always win. Stay Sebby! B)
ADDING, YOU GOT MY LIKE TOO MY GUY!!! KEEP IT UP!!
EDIT* OH SNAP THE SEBBY HIMSELF BLESSED ME. Gonna go get divinity to make u proud papa.
XD love ya
It's so crazy how rotmg digs deep even if there are similar games
the darza's dominion font is my favorite part!
Haven’t played in literal year and wanted to see if there was still content. Anyone here remember SLVRDLLR?
TSPage has some recent vids with him
i just got into rotmg last week so i didnt even know it had all these problems. ignorance is bliss
I wish Steambirds had been better, it had a lot of personality and character going for it but the mechanics were just way too loose to feel at all satisfying (I'm looking at you, tank controls)
Great video - kinda hits the nail on the head with a lot of issues. Out of curiosity, did you decide to stop being a deca partner out of frustration with the state of the game?
Nahh they booted me but it was guaranteed as the criticism was only going to increase either way
Good video seb, i will be trying both of these games.
I think an important thing to take away is even you don't care for these new games and just want realm to be better, joining the discords and subscribing to the TH-cam channels buts pressure on Deca
yeah, competition is always good for the consumer
Just commenting to engage the video. I want more people to see it.
Same to mee.I'm 1 of the Campain buyer with the purpel glow but it not keep me for years of time i spent.
Damn hearing robocraft and steam birds 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Here's to a brighter future. cheers!
If even half of the fixes/features these games have make it into ROTMG then the game will be in such a good place. That said, at this point I have a hard time getting "excited for the future of ROTMG" since I've been telling myself that changed like these have been "coming" soon for years. I'd jump ship for either of these if I hadn't poured so much time and money into ROTMG (purple name + glow).
Also I don't ever want to hear someone say DECA is better than Kabam. They probably are better, but the point is the same core issues have not been solved or even seriously addressed. Doesn't matter how much shiny new content DECA adds if the base game is an actual joke.
You're correct, Kabam > DECA. Anyone that says otherwise is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I've been saying this for many months now
Man I miss Wild Shadow, this game will never be the same bruh
old rotf was goated i miss this game 💔
Darza 😍😍
Wow a positive video from Sebchoof... Oh wait, no, he's shitting on clones and hyping up literal clones
Jebaited!!!
rotmg switched to unity for 3D stuff. they should totally add ramps and mountains you can climb
The system recommended is 16gb ram, lets not push that higher Xd
@@camdenone7847 they need to optimize that
Just because the system requirements on the steam page are high doesn't mean you actually need them. I run the game perfectly fine on my actual toaster that took 30 min to open up the league client but if i tried running apex my laptop would actually just overheat and shut off.
i wish deca would have community input like osrs
Very good video.
The problem with this game is that lately it seems like they dont even want to be bigger or attract more people EVEN IF THEY DO the servers cant even handle 5k active playing people! It seems like they dont really care and put no effort at all for bringing new players into the game. The state of the game is just frozen... They look like blizzard at this point just milking the players it currently has.
Either the title is total clickbait, or the point you were trying to make was that Deca is going to have to produce better updates once they no longer have a monopoly on the game genre.
Half genius click bait but half actually hype for rotmg players because consumers win when a monopoly is broken
so the future of rotmg is bright by having other games take from it? i suppose competition may set them straight. I'll probably follow your updates maybe pick up one of those new games (maybe both) but awesome vid nonetheless! btw does any1 know whats the song right before the outro?
It’s chrono trigger song called something starting with m palace xD
@@sebchoof i kinda meant the one after that i think if you got the time. you use that track all the time its real nice
edit: also if you don't mind explaining this: th-cam.com/video/8cg8Toe9J0M/w-d-xo.html to me, i'd appreciate it lol
okay, darzas looking pretty cool
i cant believe darzas dominion came this long a way i remember when it was just a crappy mobile remake and now its better than realm
I quite realm for revenge of the Fallen and I'm most likely gunna do it again for beneath the nexus. Been playing realm for 8 years and it just makes me sad when I look at the state of it.
!!! Was that my rank history I just saw 👀👀👀
Maybe!!!! Plz don’t copyright strike me….
@@sebchoof >:3
The guild system you said on revenge of the fallen would be like discord runs. High reqs not allowing new players to get into established guilds and groups.
True but it’s important that they don’t play in private together, one thing I miss is active realms, haven’t even heard the last time someone’s done a void from a sentry but it would be normal if discord’s weren’t around
@@sebchoof Yup, I think we are to fast to think of solutions on these grindy games that we outrun the development from the programmers and people working on the games.
Haven’t even started it yet but I can sense the cap already
;)
does btn have the seperate boss musics ?
Hell yeah and they have dynamic music changing
yeah, and its dope as well. Chord progression is miles above realm
Only recently this game at 22nd september it hit 823 players for the first time
a bad sign deca needs to pick up there shit already
What you on about ? rotmg peaks at 3k players on steam.
The big problem I have with rotmg is the fact that its not beginner friendly at all. At first you can kinda slog through the shit and trying to make a name for yourself. Only to realize you need a gazillion amount of fame to do that. Realize that all the fame you got up until now isnt even worth a t5 item in nexus.
This is what I think is so bad about the game. Gaining fame is so hard for new/mid players, you have to have a lot of OP items and knowledge to gain above 10k in a life. And since almost anything can kill you even at lvl20 with decent items, you lose motivation fast cause you never get past 1k fame in one life.
Its like 90% of the game is endgame. Create a new type of endgame gear, and make it hard for the current endgame players to achieve and somehow increase the fame at the start.
Like I've been playing for ~30h and my total fame is like 6k. Whatever I do I just cant get past 1k on a life, I either get oneshot by something or spend hours on half decent dungeons just to earn a tiny bit more fame.
yeah. that's why there are so many cheaters in rotmg. Endgame is way too fucking easy but theres almost no sense of progression from early game to endgame which makes the game feel extremely unfair to early game players and extremely boring to endgame players, leading to many earlygame players turning to cheating. Btn and darza have much more difficult endgame dungeons that o3 or new shatts, but also an actual competent framework for player progression so players can slowly work their way up to those difficult dungeons without ever feeling overwhelmed at the difficulty level or frustrated that they're not making progress.
Did they even try to market realm like they do no ads i just know deca beacuse of the past but idk how does new player discover it but most likely there friend just said to try it out but overall just market it better
its exciting because of the new UI that got leaked and is very real
haha yes that was amazing
What is the sound track used for 12:40 ?
The darza final boss fight music :)
Competition is king
I think that private servers proved that deca will have monopoly and their "way" is the best of all available. So they will have monopoly and continue to ignore problems xD