I'm Native American so I don't think any era would be good for me lol. But if that were not the case, then I'd choose Germany, why? Just because. Or I would just keep my ass in North America and start my own Empire. Jk.
My cousin wanted to emigrate to Australia some years ago, when asked if he had a criminal record he replied..."I didn't know ya still needed one".... needless to say the authorities were less than impressed.
My ancestor, Mary Wade was the youngest convict to be sent to Australia, and she was on this ship. She was 13 and forged A successful life, having 10,000 descendants now.
@@gabrielh9595 exponential growth, it's how all Europeans are descendants of Charlmagne. 7+billion current people today came out of 1 billion in 1804 or around 27m people 2000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wade
I'm a direct descendant of one of these women, Ann Marsh. She stole a bushel of wheat, but she did become a business woman, land owner and philanthropist once out in the colony soo she didn't do too badly
@@_z-tl5un She was a sort of 'ship wife' to the Surgeon, Richard Alley. Thus she wouldn't have had to face as much of the hardship. But it was basically forced upon her and she would have probably been raped. She ended up arriving at the colony pregnant. She gave birth to Charlotte Maria Alley on 5th of June 1791, who then died a few days later. Richard Alley left her, never actually visiting her in the colony and leaving with the ship, and she then was left to fend for herself. Her story is really, just incredible
Hipster Yoda ™ that’s so brutal... these men just took the right to use these women.... but she sounds like she was a really strong woman! Especially surviving on her own in this time period... you can be really proud of her!!
@Vanilla bhabi g¡rl Thanks for saying that, I just watched it and wow it is a great film. The thing is that messed up stuff like that actually did happen. Ann Marsh's first husband Robert Flanagan disappeared after absconding, he might have died in the bush so many different ways, hell he might have been killed by an officer in the bush who knows. That's highly unlikely, but my point is the man simply disappeared off the face of the earth sometime in 1798. Ann's life was thankfully not so dark as Claire's however it does show how dark life in colonial Australia could get (in a realistic situation Claire would have been murdered in the hut or simply survived but not believed by anyone due to the lack of evidence and the stigma, thus forced to move on to survive) and how awful the frontier wars and genocide was
Yes, this vid has tastelessly made light of a horrendous historical event. Women "accepted" to become sailor's "wives" as a means of self - preservation and protection. "Belonging" to a sailor reduced the risk of multiple sexual assaults from other sailors, but it entitled him to be her pimp whenever they harboured and from which he profited.
Wow... They were sex slaves.. Imagine trying to say no to a sailor out at sea, you'd accidently be thrown overboard. Imagine if you had a child near the age of 11 *shudder* so gross
All animals breed when they become fertile, including humans before the churches and the politicians stuck their noses in and regulated human breeding. What is gross about birth? Usually the parents would prevent breeding if the girl was not physically ready.
I think these women were very tough, very strong physically and emotionally. They had rough lives. Maybe miserable lives. I hope they settled down once in Australia.
Netflix has said that its highly rated show "Orange Is The New Black," is set to have a prequel series set in the late 18th century, called "Australia Is The New England."
Australia was the new America, as the British could no longer send their surplus population under chains. One of my ancestors was on this ship. She married a blacksmith, transported in the First Fleet, and their offspring wound up in New Zealand. It was a long and tangled tale, involving a drunken marine guard, the first colony on Norfolk Island, being orphaned and raised by the Duchess of Pembroke, and married off to a dea captain, then farming in New Zealand's South Island. My ancestor's crime: Accused of stealing some sheets in her laundress duties. Colleen McCullough hascovered the same territory in one of her novels.
One of my ancestors, Ann Teasdale, a servant girl, was convicted of "stealing" a silk handkerchief from her employer when she had a cold, her intention was to wash and return the handkerchief. Allas she was transported for her efforts.
"the captain didn't stop men coming aboard at port and the women got to keep SOME of the money" wow how nice of the captain to pimp these prisoners and give them probably a tenth back.. Vomit
@@terminallyelleofficial and you understand that that this should include consensus? And that given the fact that these women were shipped and imprisoned to another continent, without their consensus or families, they were fond of doing so?
The footage and the choice of words when talking about the on board prostitution almost makes it look light and funny. As if this was a 'bad ass' ship with a Girl Rule bumper sticker on the back... When in truth it was quite revolting with people having to do whatever it takes to survive - 11 years old or not. In todays terms this would be viewed as human trafficking. Not all things needs to be presented glum and dreary but for me it misses the point.
I read somewhere, can`t remember exactly, that too many ships were allocated to take female prisoners to Australia. So the British government at the time that funded companies to transport the female prisoners to Australia, considered this too expensive and would suddenly decide to stop the funding on some of the transports, mostly when those ships were already out to sea. Once the funding stopped, the responsibility for the prisoners and full costs then fell upon these companies and became excess and non-viable, so what they done was sunk the ships with the female prisoners aboard including their children, all were drowned at sea. Many of those women onboard the ships, had no statutory rights, they were considered Stateless, non-citizens. During the journeys, the women were raped, beaten and used as slaves to serve the crews, there were no laws to protect them. If any became ill they were thrown overboard. This is a part of history that the British government would prefer to erase from the history books.
?? if those ships were already at sea how would word have reached them that the funding had been cut? you sure weren't going to contact them by radio nor with the funding cut, the Gov't wasn't going to pay another ship to go to sea to try and catch up to the transport ship if they could even find it. . Also, the ships at sea would have already received their funding. It would only have affected the ships still in port.
Weird History always made my day whenever they release a new video and I’m big fan of the narrator’s good sense of humor. It would be nice to include his name on the description just to give credit to him.
You can watch it, but it's on youtube and good thing is. It's free. :) th-cam.com/video/6NzRhNNU1G0/w-d-xo.html That's why I love watching these older movies, that folks know little about. And a big majority of it is accurate compared to the modern day historic movies.
I had a direct descendant who was on the Indefatigable in 1812. He was originally sentenced to death for stealing a pony “Larceny” but it was reduced to a life of servitude in Australia. His ship sailed with the Lady Julianna. He ended up a very wealthy landowner in Victoria but died in an asylum at the age of 88. There is a fantastic book about the Lady Julianna called “The Floating Brothal” This history fascinates me.
I wouldn't be so optimistic knowing I was related to a convict settler as you are. But that's me. My first settlers to Australia wasn't convicts. My dad side settler was a builder who built the clock tower in Ballarat and who also helped designed and built the Flinders Street station in Melbourne. My mother side came to Australia 1880s from Denmark. My great great grandmother was also first cousin to John Monash, Australia general who brought victory to Europe in ww1
My 3rd great grandfather was also transported to NSW on the Isabella in 1812. He was a blacksmith and he left a wife and 5 children back in England. His crime was listed as "larceny" as well for stealing linen and woolen goods. I like to think that he had "bartered" for them and not stolen ... for blacksmithing services he provided. And yes I am PROUD of him. After he served his time he became a free man and he became a landowner in Evan and paid it forward because he hired convicts to work on his land as he had been hired by John McHenry when he landed in NSW.
I would not be surprised if some of the convicted "thieves" had been made pregnant by the sons of wealthy English families & packed off before they might try to marry the fathers of their unborn children. English society was then extremely snobbish & the thought of a servant girl marrying into wealthwould have been u thinkable.
I really don't know but there's always someone who knows what's best for you and the world! Maybe Australia needed some really good souls and sacrifice! Not a cheery story. The coloured paintings of ships seemed nice to me.
@@kennethvosper285 English classes did not mix and servants, working class, etc had to know their place.you could not rise above your station or you would be condemned/criticized/outcast for "getting above yourself!".
Most of them were irish woman, who were deprived by the British colonialism, to survive they had very little choice, they were then sent to populate another continent by the very same colonial who had only one aim, to steal others land and wealth using people.who they are as less of value.. very sad history on their behalf..
Agreed, Britain has so much to answer for SMH. I never knew what they did to Ireland until I saw a documentary on here, in the 1900's they were forced to survive on NOTHING.. no wonder immigration was so high to Australia etc
No they weren’t Irish, they were from London. My 5 x great grandmother (a thief with multiple convictions) was on this ship and like most of the other women, she was born and lived her whole life in London. The minority on this ship were Jewish women who came to London as refugees from Spain, they were poor and stole for money.
@@carlyh6913 Mostly the Irish went to England or the US as they could not afford the trip to Australia. Young Irish girls/from orphanages were went out to Australia as servants many others as convicts and a few (along with a number of men) were sent out after the 1798 rebellion in Ireland instead of being hung as rebels they were sentenced to transportation hard labour 7 years but never allowed to return to England or Ireland.
@@rosebud4387 yeah sounds fair. Not. We have museums over here with convicts life stories, so many women were sent here for stealing bread or a handkerchief.
Jon W what are you talking about. Typical response I wasn’t speaking from any other view then a historical one your the one who went straight to .......
I went on a Disney cruise alot like this..... full of criminals &their offspring, random crew/passenger hookups, seemed like at least 10 months long. We could have really used more flogging and less Noro Virus.
I am descendant from Ann Marsh (She is mentioned in the video) Ann set up the first ferry service to Paramatta and also was the proprietor of the Kings Head Tavern. A piece of her needlework and a promissory note with her signature have survived to this day.
@@joshuaridgway4 One of my ancestors landed in Jamestown in 1612, of course he wasn't part of the original settlers but that was one hell of a long time ago. I have a collection of salt cellars, most are small ones but one is a large one. After I found two (one for Mom and one for me) there are 17 of them each belonged to a foremother of mine. About the only benefit is that I could join the DAR if I so chose. There is an old saying ''the man who boasts of his ancestry is like a potato, the best part of him is under the ground. I heartily subscribe to that.
po, lets just say that in the 1500s they almost wiped out all brown people off the face of the earth. They committed genocide on a level that would make hitler look like a boy scout.
I had an ancestor who was on the male ship which sailed with the Lady Julianna to Australia. It was called the Indefatigable. My ancestor was originally sentenced to death for stealing a pony but his sentenced was reduced to 7 years penal servitude in Australia. He was eventually given a pardon, given a large amount of land in compensation, made a complete success of his life and died in his 90’s in a mental asylum. There is a fantastic book called “The Floating Brothel” which is all about the Lady Julianna. One if the best books I have ever read.
Thank you for this look into the life of women convicts, I’m a direct descendent of a ‘founding mother of Australia’ who married a first fleeter, I am in awe of these women!
Can you talk about 'Willem van Oranje'? He is burried in a church with his loyal dog at his feet. There is a box underneath a church where he is burried. No one really knows what's in it. Some people say it's the heart from his child that was born death but no one really knows.
Good video, for anyone interested try and find a book called 'The Floating Brothel' by an Australian author who I cannot unfortunately remember her name about the voyage of the Lady Juliana, from what I remember half the ship was full of booze and the other was women - a sailors dream indeed. To put this whole episode into contex I would highly recomend Dan Cruikshank's book 'The Secret History of Georgian London' about London's sex industry of the time of which as many as 1 in 5 women were involved in in some way. Another recommendation is 'City of Laughter ' about the Grub Street Press some examples of the satrical prints are shown in the video. The Georgian era was a ribald era indeed - violent, brutal and bloody with the Napoleonic Wars but one thing comes through is the human spirit and also a sense of humour, the ladies of the Lady Juliana are true survivors. Lets not foget the ships surgeon who was an extremely humane man who did all he could for these women. Their situation was bad but without him it could have been a lot worse.
England had so many female petty criminals during this time because all the men had been away fighting the Americans for years, so a lot of women had been encouraged out of traditional female paths and in to city jobs to try and fill the huge labour shortage the men had left. When the war ended and the men returned home, the Government mandated that the returning soldiers were employed as a priority and quite literally, loads of women were forced out of their jobs and lodgings without anywhere to go, so had to resort to whatever they could to survive.
The public in Britain were a little concern about capital punishment for minor crimes, so deportation seem more humane. Two birds with one stone, punishment and colonised the new territories.
If this turn into a script and movie with stars such as Nicole Kidman, Cate Blanchett, Margot Robbie, Olivia Coleman, Jodie Comer, Kate Winslet, Keira Knightley, Emma Watson, Emily Blunt, Tilda Swinton, Rachel Weisz, Kate Beckinsale, Helena Bonham Carter, Huge Jackman, Christian Bale, Colin Firth, Tom Hardy, Eric Bana and I believe this movie will win lots of awards!!
Aboriginals hung around Sydney because they loved bread so much compared to the shit half cooked native seed they had to chew on for half an hour.The blame game here in Australia is fucken mad,no understanding of context,the times,human endeavour,grey areas and so on to infinity.There's a bloody industry now in Australia in making Aboriginal shit so P.C,exclusive and guarded and pseudo academic its a laugh.Its a farce
@@carnagedogg4294 you know very little about The Aboriginal people The tribes who lived on the coast of Australia ate mainly sea food ! Aboriginals have lived on this island for many 1000s of years. common sense would state that their life style was very healthy! It was the English that bought many things that the Aboriginal constitiom could not cope with. Alcohol and sugar for two examples!
ive had 2 relationships with noonga girls,what i'm saying about politics is what it is,and their diet for the most part was meagre and difficult.this is why as a culture they practised infanticide because they could not feed all their young,
Ninja history. I had read once they didnt wear all black because that would actually make them stand out. Navy blue or dark brown were most commonly used.
18th Century England was a different reality than the one we have today and to put the women’s plight against a contemporary backdrop is not a fair comparison. Yes they were exploited on the ship but they were equally exploited in England or worse. Australia provided new opportunities with less constraints than in the old country.
It’s such a shame that you haven’t cited your source, you do a great disservice to your audience and the historians who give you source material by doing so. The Floating Brothel by Sian Rees is a great book that I highly recommend , a great social history of 18th century English society as well a rollicking good yarn. Fans of 18th century historical dramas will enjoy the background it provides, and social mores were very different to our modern day beliefs.
Mary Wade my GGG Grandmother was sent over on "The Lady Juliana" She was 11yrs when sentenced. She arrived in Sydney then Sent tot Norfolk Island. there are many of her descendants including myself that have done much research and not all in this video matches. "The Floating Brothel" book gives a more true story.
It would be so fascinating to have a more in-depth story of some of the women who were on the Lady Juliana. Most stories of the earlier success stories of settlers is always about the men, but I'm sure there must be success tales about some of the women, also. In many cases, I'm sure the wife was as much a part of the success as her husband.
@@licentiousdreams She had two husbands Jonathan Brooker and Teague Harrigan. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is a descendent of Mary and Jonathan.But my mother is a descendent of Mary and Teague. And so yeah I am her great great great great grandson.
cash storeone they were in control and had access to them at their leisure and some were children I don’t feel sorry for them at all if anything the men can’t suffer enough. Not to mention many of the women and children probably had sea sickness.
So how did a country full of ex-convicts become one of the most successful in the world!? Yet we have other countries full of resources, yet they are dirt poor? Explanations please....
While the first fleet was under navy control, the second fleet was mainly privately run for profit; hence the awful conditions. The Lady Juliana was an exception, but the Governor was still not excited by the idea of several hundred more mouths to feed in a colony that was on the verge of starvation. The inhabitants (both the Aboriginals already in the area with little resistance to European diseases, and the 'first boat people' from Britain) were very lucky to survive at all. Ironically , one of the women on this ship married a convict named James Ruse, who had a farming background. Today if you take a RiverCat ferry from Sydney (Circular Quay) about an hour west up the harbour to Parramatta you will pass under a bridge along James Ruse Drive as you near the end of your journey. (Watch th-cam.com/video/tpQeE0iRFIw/w-d-xo.html for the return journey. At about 13.50 as it goes under the bridge you can see some words from his gravestone on the metal plate saying "I sowed the forst grain". Nearby is where the two of them grew the first grain crop in the colony on a small patch of land using some livestock, tools, clothes, seed and supplies provided by the Governor Phillip as an experiment to see if a person could become self-sufficient. In just over a year they did that, symbolically liberating the colony from depending on external supply. While some of the comments below complain of the 'terrible treatment' on the LadyJuliana, which incidentally had had a crew of only 35, with well over 200 women on board,. It did not suffer from any mutinies or overt violence such as occurred on other Second Fleet ships; mostly because the ship's master and surgeon treated them quite well. In contrast, the other ships transporting mostly men suffered a much higher death rate (about 30%) on the voyage. Governor Phillip was appalled at the conditions in which the latter had been transported and one of the other ship's masters was described as a 'demented sadist'.
Amazing how such a society could ever think of itself as being "Christian." is it any wonder that people today are sick to death of politics and religion.
@MusicManMaurice Catholicism was banned among the Irish (and Catholics) in early Australia and Irish were not allowed to practice their religion instead they were forced to attend the Anglican services (Anglicanism was the official religion of England.)They were also forbidden to speak Gaelic(had to speak English) , and could not marry in their own church.They also had no rights. (bit different now hey!)
Mary was a woman with the courage and brains of a genius admiral. A great seafarer who crossed the ocean to escape Australia and reach Indonesia. Patiently she planned to get clarity how to lay her hand on a compass. She was the only convicted one who managed to get back to England.
My ancestor was a teenage girl on this voyage of the Juliana. She married a man from one of the male convict ships. Her crime for transportation to Australia: Telling a pair of child thieves where they could steal some silver spoons from. 7 years transportation at 17 years old
This video should have a MUCH graver tone. It should also have been narrated by a woman. This is a story of poverty, hardship, and sexual abuse. These women did what they needed to survive. Shouldn’t be romanticised like it is here.
I’m Australian and my family have been here since the first fleet. Bloody proud to be from a pure bloodline of “criminals” sent to essentially die on an island and instead made it their home.
But sin my youthful hart betrayed, And now I am a convict Maid. To wed my lover I did try, To take my masters property, So all my guilt was soon displayed, And i became a Convict Maid.Then i was soon to prison sent, To wait in fear my punishment, When at the bar I stood dismayed , Since doomed to be a Convict Maid. (Old Poem from the era)
I suggest that one should read the book “the fatal shore“, by Robert Hughes. It is an extremely moving book. It also contains a story of an escape from the penal colony ofNew South Wales to Timor. It is well worth investigating.
I would love to read a book about this. As in a story of one of the women and her origin, experiences on board and then her life in Australia. Even if it was an entirely fictional woman, I'd be happy as long as her story was realistic enough and the background was well-researched :) Does anyone know if it exists? Or something similar with interesting historical events?
What historical era and country would be your choice if you had to move?
I would want to go to the 80s and stay in America.
1950s in America, those dinners and skirts really get me 😂
Middle Ages and probably Scotland
I'm Native American so I don't think any era would be good for me lol. But if that were not the case, then I'd choose Germany, why? Just because. Or I would just keep my ass in North America and start my own Empire. Jk.
1900s Austria-Hungary
My cousin wanted to emigrate to Australia some years ago, when asked if he had a criminal record he replied..."I didn't know ya still needed one".... needless to say the authorities were less than impressed.
Here in the UK we still refer to the Australians as the convicts
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@Craig F. Thompson Probably time for you to leave moron
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@Craig F. Thompson Nice comeback moron, next time try "I know you are but what am I?"
This is the first time I've heard about the Lady Julianna. They should make a movie about this!
yeah it's crying out for a movie
You know if they did, there would be a few dozen guys on here bitching about the "damn feminist culture". It's unavoidable.
@@TheDing1701 I highly doubt that if a movie was made, about this particular subject, it would cause guys to bitch about feminists...
They did and there was also a weekly series about life in Australia during this time. Unfortunately the series folded about only 2 seasons.
@@Hurricaneintheroom what was it called?
All passengers were women but the ship was full of "seamen"
uriah turd god I hate that, that’s my schools name🤦♀️🤢
Ahhh... I see what you did there!
passengers and seamen are two different things.
Lesbian porn ? Lol
Nice pun, lol
My ancestor, Mary Wade was the youngest convict to be sent to Australia, and she was on this ship. She was 13 and forged
A successful life, having 10,000 descendants now.
I don't believe the 10k claim
@@gabrielh9595 exponential growth, it's how all Europeans are descendants of Charlmagne. 7+billion current people today came out of 1 billion in 1804 or around 27m people 2000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wade
Friskey Horton wow thats exciting. i find stuff like this so interesting. could u share more about it please?
OMG! That's awesome 😊
So she raped fought invaded the land, Fought the women, and "raped" the dudes ? So a mini made up legend of a female Genghis Khan. Lol
I'm a direct descendant of one of these women, Ann Marsh. She stole a bushel of wheat, but she did become a business woman, land owner and philanthropist once out in the colony soo she didn't do too badly
She must have been a though one to survive this brutal ship cruise...
@@_z-tl5un She was a sort of 'ship wife' to the Surgeon, Richard Alley. Thus she wouldn't have had to face as much of the hardship. But it was basically forced upon her and she would have probably been raped. She ended up arriving at the colony pregnant. She gave birth to Charlotte Maria Alley on 5th of June 1791, who then died a few days later.
Richard Alley left her, never actually visiting her in the colony and leaving with the ship, and she then was left to fend for herself.
Her story is really, just incredible
Hipster Yoda ™ that’s so brutal... these men just took the right to use these women.... but she sounds like she was a really strong woman! Especially surviving on her own in this time period... you can be really proud of her!!
Oh wow you must be proud of her. Wonderful indeed she was.
@Vanilla bhabi g¡rl Thanks for saying that, I just watched it and wow it is a great film.
The thing is that messed up stuff like that actually did happen. Ann Marsh's first husband Robert Flanagan disappeared after absconding, he might have died in the bush so many different ways, hell he might have been killed by an officer in the bush who knows. That's highly unlikely, but my point is the man simply disappeared off the face of the earth sometime in 1798.
Ann's life was thankfully not so dark as Claire's however it does show how dark life in colonial Australia could get (in a realistic situation Claire would have been murdered in the hut or simply survived but not believed by anyone due to the lack of evidence and the stigma, thus forced to move on to survive) and how awful the frontier wars and genocide was
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This is like Captain Jacks Sparrows dream (with more rum of course)
Ofcourse 😏
He canonically freed a bunch of slaves, so ideally he’d do that here too!
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Jack Sparrow was one of the seamen...
Ho Ho Ho and a bottle of rum!
How horrifying. I assume agreeing to marriage offered protection from being gang banged in all reality...
Yes there's a movie about the is this voyage too. It was horrendous.
Yes, this vid has tastelessly made light of a horrendous historical event.
Women "accepted" to become sailor's "wives" as a means of self - preservation and protection.
"Belonging" to a sailor reduced the risk of multiple sexual assaults from other sailors, but it entitled him to be her pimp whenever they harboured and from which he profited.
@@andiemorgan961 mary bryant is the movie I was thinking of.
Thats how wild and dangerous the world used to be. Now marriages are mostly for financial security since the world had become so much less dangerous
Ingrid Nineteen :-(
Wow... They were sex slaves.. Imagine trying to say no to a sailor out at sea, you'd accidently be thrown overboard. Imagine if you had a child near the age of 11 *shudder* so gross
All animals breed when they become fertile, including humans before the churches and the politicians stuck their noses in and regulated human breeding. What is gross about birth? Usually the parents would prevent breeding if the girl was not physically ready.
@@grancito2 - The reason for the churches was to protect the young women and resulting children via committing the man.
@@lacedemonians The reason for churches, was power over the people, and money, and sometimes boys to fuck.
@Anna Dayton So what is your point, you were born I suppose, get a fucking brain.
@Anna Dayton Usually the parents control the behaviour, no need for stupid government fuckwits to get involved. They always fuck things up.
I think these women were very tough, very strong physically and emotionally. They had rough lives. Maybe miserable lives. I hope they settled down once in Australia.
Aussie women, we’re just awesome 😂
An all women prison ship? That’s something I never thought of before or heard about
*anall* women prison ship
An is incorrect
@@Uruk02 Not everyone uses American English
@@ParrotTalks u can't use an with plural
fat soul the letter following ‘an’ is a vowel
11 years old is not a teen, she was a child!
Tell that to LGBTQ community Desmond the amazing
@@Rockstopmotion What?
Where in the video did yhey call an 11 yr old a teen dummy?
@@Rockstopmotion Nine of ten pedophiles are heterosexual. Nice try though.
@@zhannewilliams-chandler825 rewatch the video
Netflix has said that its highly rated show "Orange Is The New Black," is set to have a prequel series set in the late 18th century, called "Australia Is The New England."
Australia was the new America, as the British could no longer send their surplus population under chains. One of my ancestors was on this ship. She married a blacksmith, transported in the First Fleet, and their offspring wound up in New Zealand. It was a long and tangled tale, involving a drunken marine guard, the first colony on Norfolk Island, being orphaned and raised by the Duchess of Pembroke, and married off to a dea captain, then farming in New Zealand's South Island. My ancestor's crime: Accused of stealing some sheets in her laundress duties. Colleen McCullough hascovered the same territory in one of her novels.
@Kat J what does hhhhhhhh mean?
@Oddysea Cat what does that mean? I don't speak letters all put together. I speak words and sadly that is not a word!
Australia id definitely NOT the new England.
No. The prequel is the breeding of enslaved women of African descent right in the U.S.
One of my ancestors, Ann Teasdale, a servant girl, was convicted of "stealing" a silk handkerchief from her employer when she had a cold, her intention was to wash and return the handkerchief. Allas she was transported for her efforts.
WOW. A silk handkerchief? That would be totally ineffective.
Petty crime was accurate ...... petty.
@MusicMadMaurice, naw, I meant that silk is not particularly absorbent. Not good snot rag material.
@@bcaye It could fetch a nice price if resold.
Today the police would take about an hour to show up and tell her not to do it again
"Romantic Bartering"?? Hardly. It was more like survival bartering.
Yeah right? Why do they tell this story as if it was some fun ship ride? These women were probably tortured everyday.
Exactly
@@_z-tl5un "These women were probably tortured everyday." Whats that based on other than your feelings?
@@rizzcs6018 Moral? Are you serious?
@@rizzcs6018 are you that naive?
"the captain didn't stop men coming aboard at port and the women got to keep SOME of the money" wow how nice of the captain to pimp these prisoners and give them probably a tenth back.. Vomit
I don't feel sorry for career criminals. Al least they served some purpose to the lonely men.
that is called ENTERPRISE my dear xx.
Yea, poor women. The men had it so easy in those days.
@@Norm475 they did ! all they had to worry about was the "POX"
@@pauldavies5655 You mean Syphilis also called the French Pox, which originated in the Americas and was brought back to Europe.
Rich people calling poor people criminals. Now that's rich.
and in poor taste as well..😺
I'm wealthy and never look down on poor people. I have amassed about 17 million USD and never look down on people.
James Gretsch ok
@@jamesgretsch4894 your address?
L. A. Draper 180 N. Los Angeles St. Los Angeles, CA
Don't know why they call this weird history when is just a bunch of sad truths.. the ladies of those days were truly victims 😔
@Lord Farquaad yeah they were also raped and got pregnant against their will... so of course!
Did you not listen to the part describing the difference between male and female prisoners?
I know this is a crazy idea but some women enjoy sex....
@@terminallyelleofficial and you understand that that this should include consensus? And that given the fact that these women were shipped and imprisoned to another continent, without their consensus or families, they were fond of doing so?
@Ray Rictor because they weren't?
The footage and the choice of words when talking about the on board prostitution almost makes it look light and funny. As if this was a 'bad ass' ship with a Girl Rule bumper sticker on the back... When in truth it was quite revolting with people having to do whatever it takes to survive - 11 years old or not. In todays terms this would be viewed as human trafficking. Not all things needs to be presented glum and dreary but for me it misses the point.
Correct
I agree...it was quite jarring.
Well said
I read somewhere, can`t remember exactly, that too many ships were allocated to take female prisoners to Australia.
So the British government at the time that funded companies to transport the female prisoners to Australia, considered this too expensive and would suddenly decide to stop the funding on some of the transports, mostly when those ships were already out to sea.
Once the funding stopped, the responsibility for the prisoners and full costs then fell upon these companies and became excess and non-viable, so what they done was sunk the ships with the female prisoners aboard including their children, all were drowned at sea.
Many of those women onboard the ships, had no statutory rights, they were considered Stateless, non-citizens.
During the journeys, the women were raped, beaten and used as slaves to serve the crews, there were no laws to protect them. If any became ill they were thrown overboard.
This is a part of history that the British government would prefer to erase from the history books.
That is crazy sad!
Holy crap!
?? if those ships were already at sea how would word have reached them that the funding had been cut? you sure weren't going to contact them by radio nor with the funding cut, the Gov't wasn't going to pay another ship to go to sea to try and catch up to the transport ship if they could even find it. . Also, the ships at sea would have already received their funding. It would only have affected the ships still in port.
I've never heard of this.
Sounds a lot like a slave ship. 🥺
All female prisoners and an all male crew.... 😬😬😬
And no showers or hygiene, can you imagine the smell, omg. I bet they ALL had crotch rot and STDS too.
Blood everywhere!!
AMW their cycles would have synced as well.
That was my first thought
@@jessicastunden5562 Rivers of blood
*Orange, is the New Outback*
Weird History always made my day whenever they release a new video and I’m big fan of the narrator’s good sense of humor. It would be nice to include his name on the description just to give credit to him.
I'd watch a movie or tv series of this. Netflix, take some notes.
It'd be boring, CBC did a co ed ship series about how they made it to Australia already, It was boring enough. Lol
You can watch it, but it's on youtube and good thing is. It's free. :) th-cam.com/video/6NzRhNNU1G0/w-d-xo.html
That's why I love watching these older movies, that folks know little about. And a big majority of it is accurate compared to the modern day historic movies.
Black sails
I would watch a limited series on the subject
Start writing the screen play copy write it.✍😀
I had a direct descendant who was on the Indefatigable in 1812. He was originally sentenced to death for stealing a pony “Larceny” but it was reduced to a life of servitude in Australia. His ship sailed with the Lady Julianna. He ended up a very wealthy landowner in Victoria but died in an asylum at the age of 88. There is a fantastic book about the Lady Julianna called “The Floating Brothal” This history fascinates me.
I wouldn't be so optimistic knowing I was related to a convict settler as you are. But that's me. My first settlers to Australia wasn't convicts. My dad side settler was a builder who built the clock tower in Ballarat and who also helped designed and built the Flinders Street station in Melbourne. My mother side came to Australia 1880s from Denmark. My great great grandmother was also first cousin to John Monash, Australia general who brought victory to Europe in ww1
My 3rd great grandfather was also transported to NSW on the Isabella in 1812. He was a blacksmith and he left a wife and 5 children back in England. His crime was listed as "larceny" as well for stealing linen and woolen goods. I like to think that he had "bartered" for them and not stolen ... for blacksmithing services he provided. And yes I am PROUD of him. After he served his time he became a free man and he became a landowner in Evan and paid it forward because he hired convicts to work on his land as he had been hired by John McHenry when he landed in NSW.
Slight correction: You had a direct ancestor...
i would love to hear about Julie d´Aubigny. A real badass woman in the 17th century
Me too!
That would be interesting!
Your... icon... damn
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I would not be surprised if some of the convicted "thieves" had been made pregnant by the sons of wealthy English families & packed off before they might try to marry the fathers of their unborn children. English society was then extremely snobbish & the thought of a servant girl marrying into wealthwould have been u thinkable.
I really don't know but there's always someone who knows what's best for you and the world!
Maybe Australia needed some really good souls and sacrifice! Not a cheery story.
The coloured paintings of ships seemed nice to me.
Yes, such things happened.
Keith Haycraft what do you mean” was extremely snobbish “?
Sordid affairs were rarely disclosed and best to ship them off to Australia tis rare for an English gentlemen to marry a servant.
@@kennethvosper285 English classes did not mix and servants, working class, etc had to know their place.you could not rise above your station or you would be condemned/criticized/outcast for "getting above yourself!".
Most of them were irish woman, who were deprived by the British colonialism, to survive they had very little choice, they were then sent to populate another continent by the very same colonial who had only one aim, to steal others land and wealth using people.who they are as less of value.. very sad history on their behalf..
Agreed, Britain has so much to answer for SMH. I never knew what they did to Ireland until I saw a documentary on here, in the 1900's they were forced to survive on NOTHING.. no wonder immigration was so high to Australia etc
No they weren’t Irish, they were from London. My 5 x great grandmother (a thief with multiple convictions) was on this ship and like most of the other women, she was born and lived her whole life in London. The minority on this ship were Jewish women who came to London as refugees from Spain, they were poor and stole for money.
A separate ship was later sent to the colony of young Irish orphan girls to work as servants or be wives to the English bachelors.
@@carlyh6913 Mostly the Irish went to England or the US as they could not afford the trip to Australia. Young Irish girls/from orphanages were went out to Australia as servants many others as convicts and a few (along with a number of men) were sent out after the 1798 rebellion in Ireland instead of being hung as rebels they were sentenced to transportation hard labour 7 years but never allowed to return to England or Ireland.
@@rosebud4387 yeah sounds fair. Not. We have museums over here with convicts life stories, so many women were sent here for stealing bread or a handkerchief.
I’d love to see it from the woman’s point of view where is their account
Yup, there is always one woman who has to spout the typical sjw rhetoric.
Jon W what are you talking about. Typical response I wasn’t speaking from any other view then a historical one your the one who went straight to .......
Craig F. Thompson thank you
goo.gl/search/Si%C3%A2n+Rees
Siân Rees, British author
This lady properly researched and wrote about this subject instead of treating it as 'wierd".
@@jonw952 yup.
You think they choose to be raped our of lust or boredom? Your choice of wording is extremely insulting dude. You should fix this
Damn, I need to remember to return this pen to the office.
I went on a Disney cruise alot like this..... full of criminals &their offspring, random crew/passenger hookups, seemed like at least 10 months long. We could have really used more flogging and less Noro Virus.
😮 omg.....
I almost died laughing
....well said!!
Hilarious
I died
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lololol
I am descendant from Ann Marsh (She is mentioned in the video) Ann set up the first ferry service to Paramatta and also was the proprietor of the Kings Head Tavern. A piece of her needlework and a promissory note with her signature have survived to this day.
Australians who can trace their family back to the First Fleet is quite the badge of honour.
Americans who can trace back to Jamestown and the Mayflower get some neat, but unofficial kudos.
@@joshuaridgway4 One of my ancestors landed in Jamestown in 1612, of course he wasn't part of the original settlers but that was one hell of a long time ago. I have a collection of salt cellars, most are small ones but one is a large one. After I found two (one for Mom and one for me) there are 17 of them each belonged to a foremother of mine. About the only benefit is that I could join the DAR if I so chose. There is an old saying ''the man who boasts of his ancestry is like a potato, the best part of him is under the ground. I heartily subscribe to that.
Australians who can trace their family back to the Irish rebel convict ships also a badge of honor...NOW! 8 generations later!LOL.
While the Lady Juliana was the first ship of female convicts she sailed as part of the 2nd fleet.
Not all the first ships was convicts..serial of them had genuine none convict settlers
Bad Girls Club: Prison Ship Edition!
I want to learn about Cortes and The Conquistadors how ruthless were they
Yes. 1519 - exactly 500 years ago they conquered Mexico
They aren't that ruthless. Most of them are devoted goody-goody Catholics. It's actually the Pope rule to intermarry and not enslave natives.
L.J. Santos a lot of the slaughter came from the allies of the Spanish who vented centuries of rage on the Aztecs who enslaved them
*Max Dejean* Yes - the Tlaxcalans had suffered for years at the hands of the Aztecs.
po, lets just say that in the 1500s they almost wiped out all brown people off the face of the earth. They committed genocide on a level that would make hitler look like a boy scout.
I had an ancestor who was on the male ship which sailed with the Lady Julianna to Australia. It was called the Indefatigable. My ancestor was originally sentenced to death for stealing a pony but his sentenced was reduced to 7 years penal servitude in Australia. He was eventually given a pardon, given a large amount of land in compensation, made a complete success of his life and died in his 90’s in a mental asylum. There is a fantastic book called “The Floating Brothel” which is all about the Lady Julianna. One if the best books I have ever read.
Thank you for this look into the life of women convicts, I’m a direct descendent of a ‘founding mother of Australia’ who married a first fleeter, I am in awe of these women!
My ancestor on the ship was Ann Marsh or Mash. I'm her 5 x Great grandson. My grandma took me to Hyde barracks and taught me all about it =) Very cool
Yea very coo..l she must have gone through hell on that ship..
You are related to another who also commented. Awesome!
The Lady Juliana reached Port Jackson, Australia on the 3rd June 1790
Can you talk about 'Willem van Oranje'? He is burried in a church with his loyal dog at his feet.
There is a box underneath a church where he is burried. No one really knows what's in it. Some people say it's the heart from his child that was born death but no one really knows.
I want a movie out of this
Search in pornhub.
There is, its called "elite pain judicial punishment". Your safe search has to be off.
Do you always use such demanding tones?
Con Air..
There is a two part Mini series named "Mary Bryant" that depicts it fairly well.
Good video, for anyone interested try and find a book called 'The Floating Brothel' by an Australian author who I cannot unfortunately remember her name about the voyage of the Lady Juliana, from what I remember half the ship was full of booze and the other was women - a sailors dream indeed.
To put this whole episode into contex I would highly recomend Dan Cruikshank's book 'The Secret History of Georgian London' about London's sex industry of the time of which as many as 1 in 5 women were involved in in some way. Another recommendation is 'City of Laughter ' about the Grub Street Press some examples of the satrical prints are shown in the video.
The Georgian era was a ribald era indeed - violent, brutal and bloody with the Napoleonic Wars but one thing comes through is the human spirit and also a sense of humour, the ladies of the Lady Juliana are true survivors. Lets not foget the ships surgeon who was an extremely humane man who did all he could for these women. Their situation was bad but without him it could have been a lot worse.
England had so many female petty criminals during this time because all the men had been away fighting the Americans for years, so a lot of women had been encouraged out of traditional female paths and in to city jobs to try and fill the huge labour shortage the men had left. When the war ended and the men returned home, the Government mandated that the returning soldiers were employed as a priority and quite literally, loads of women were forced out of their jobs and lodgings without anywhere to go, so had to resort to whatever they could to survive.
The public in Britain were a little concern about capital punishment for minor crimes, so deportation seem more humane. Two birds with one stone, punishment and colonised the new territories.
Rapists and murders were hung In England not transported ironic then that so man rapists actually had free reign on this ship.
I'm calling it now, this will be the setting of a future Doctor Who episode.
They did an episode partly in Australia though... Just keep waiting.
You narrate this story almost like it's a joke...an entertainment for you. Those women were in a state of desperation, suffering and degradation.
They were sent to be future wives to the colonist but were traded and partnered off to the men on the ship/ports? 🙄 ridiculous
Haha. True and ironic
Man I'm glad I'm in thiz century lol
You love MDMA by chance? Lol
Glad you live where you are in this century...shit still happens all the time
“Against the Wind” is a 1970s true story of English and Irish convicted of petty crimes and sent to Australia.
My ancestor was one of these women, she was one who brought her child along. Nuts!!
Craig F. Thompson the fact that the British Empire sent a child across the world, when they had done nothing wrong........
If this turn into a script and movie with stars such as Nicole Kidman, Cate Blanchett, Margot Robbie, Olivia Coleman, Jodie Comer, Kate Winslet, Keira Knightley, Emma Watson, Emily Blunt, Tilda Swinton, Rachel Weisz, Kate Beckinsale, Helena Bonham Carter, Huge Jackman, Christian Bale, Colin Firth, Tom Hardy, Eric Bana and I believe this movie will win lots of awards!!
These folks are wild, I feel so bad for the Aboriginal people
Aboriginals hung around Sydney because they loved bread so much compared to the shit half cooked native seed they had to chew on for half an hour.The blame game here in Australia is fucken mad,no understanding of context,the times,human endeavour,grey areas and so on to infinity.There's a bloody industry now in Australia in making Aboriginal shit so P.C,exclusive and guarded and pseudo academic its a laugh.Its a farce
@@carnagedogg4294 you know very little about The Aboriginal people The tribes who lived on the coast of Australia ate mainly sea food ! Aboriginals have lived on this island for many 1000s of years. common sense would state that their life style was very healthy! It was the English that bought many things that the Aboriginal constitiom could not cope with. Alcohol and sugar for two examples!
@@carnagedogg4294 To be honest the Noble Imperialist is just as silly a fairy tale as the Noble Savage.
ive had 2 relationships with noonga girls,what i'm saying about politics is what it is,and their diet for the most part was meagre and difficult.this is why as a culture they practised infanticide because they could not feed all their young,
@@carnagedogg4294 same thing in Canada. Our government recently said we committed "cultural genocide".
Ninja history. I had read once they didnt wear all black because that would actually make them stand out. Navy blue or dark brown were most commonly used.
So season 1 of Naruto was mkre Ccurate before all the blue gear became black?
18th Century England was a different reality than the one we have today and to put the women’s plight against a contemporary backdrop is not a fair comparison.
Yes they were exploited on the ship but they were equally exploited in England or worse. Australia provided new opportunities with less constraints than in the old country.
It’s such a shame that you haven’t cited your source, you do a great disservice to your audience and the historians who give you source material by doing so. The Floating Brothel by Sian Rees is a great book that I highly recommend , a great social history of 18th century English society as well a rollicking good yarn. Fans of 18th century historical dramas will enjoy the background it provides, and social mores were very different to our modern day beliefs.
Mary Wade my GGG Grandmother was sent over on "The Lady Juliana" She was 11yrs when sentenced. She arrived in Sydney then Sent tot Norfolk Island. there are many of her descendants including myself that have done much research and not all in this video matches. "The Floating Brothel" book gives a more true story.
I wonder how many of these women and teens were actually innocent but charged anyway... this would make a great movie!
Australia was settled by the Aboriginal people over 40,000 years ago. The British merely invaded it.
And what great architecture did they have back then
It would be so fascinating to have a more in-depth story of some of the women who were on the Lady Juliana. Most stories of the earlier success stories of settlers is always about the men, but I'm sure there must be success tales about some of the women, also. In many cases, I'm sure the wife was as much a part of the success as her husband.
When Europe send their people they didn’t send their best...
Europe didn't SEND anyone. People from Europe came.
No country is really much better lol look at Mexico.
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USA USA USA
‘Murcia!
One of Mary Wades descendants become PM of Australia
Honestly?
@@licentiousdreams She had two husbands Jonathan Brooker and Teague Harrigan. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is a descendent of Mary and Jonathan.But my mother is a descendent of Mary and Teague. And so yeah I am her great great great great grandson.
Well thats interesting.
Yes sadly a very crappy PM.
I pity the prison guards on the ship when all of the female prisoners got their period at the same time.
I think you should return to highschool for biology.
cash storeone they were in control and had access to them at their leisure and some were children I don’t feel sorry for them at all if anything the men can’t suffer enough. Not to mention many of the women and children probably had sea sickness.
cash storeone Blood everywhere!!
@@andreaw8667 The elevator scene from 'The Shining' comes to mind...
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It is amazing any of our ancestors lived long enough to produce us!
"Star-crossed" means "ill fated". In other words, a star-crossed love affair is one that has bad luck, and ends badly.
I would like to see an episode about Francisco Goya, a classic painter, and his outrageous behavior after his illness.
Awesome! Im related to an Anne Marsh/Mash who married the surgeon on the ship! ran a ferry out of the paramatta river and ran the kings head tavern.
So how did a country full of ex-convicts become one of the most successful in the world!? Yet we have other countries full of resources, yet they are dirt poor? Explanations please....
One of my ancestors was on that ship, she stole a sheep and was sentenced to hang. Her sentence was latter reduced to extradition.
Carnivale has nothing compared to this cruise
While the first fleet was under navy control, the second fleet was mainly privately run for profit; hence the awful conditions. The Lady Juliana was an exception, but the Governor was still not excited by the idea of several hundred more mouths to feed in a colony that was on the verge of starvation. The inhabitants (both the Aboriginals already in the area with little resistance to European diseases, and the 'first boat people' from Britain) were very lucky to survive at all.
Ironically , one of the women on this ship married a convict named James Ruse, who had a farming background. Today if you take a RiverCat ferry from Sydney (Circular Quay) about an hour west up the harbour to Parramatta you will pass under a bridge along James Ruse Drive as you near the end of your journey. (Watch th-cam.com/video/tpQeE0iRFIw/w-d-xo.html for the return journey. At about 13.50 as it goes under the bridge you can see some words from his gravestone on the metal plate saying "I sowed the forst grain". Nearby is where the two of them grew the first grain crop in the colony on a small patch of land using some livestock, tools, clothes, seed and supplies provided by the Governor Phillip as an experiment to see if a person could become self-sufficient. In just over a year they did that, symbolically liberating the colony from depending on external supply.
While some of the comments below complain of the 'terrible treatment' on the LadyJuliana, which incidentally had had a crew of only 35, with well over 200 women on board,. It did not suffer from any mutinies or overt violence such as occurred on other Second Fleet ships; mostly because the ship's master and surgeon treated them quite well. In contrast, the other ships transporting mostly men suffered a much higher death rate (about 30%) on the voyage. Governor Phillip was appalled at the conditions in which the latter had been transported and one of the other ship's masters was described as a 'demented sadist'.
I never knew about it. I knew about Australia being a prison for convicts, but this is new to me.
Invaded not settled. Respect our indigenous people
They should make a movie all about this. It would have been a good interesting movie
I think they did what they had to do and made the best of a bad life women likes these rock ... you go girls
I was with until you said "you go girls"... I'm ashamed to be white😂
Cool vid, we need something about Middle Eastern places or Ancient Greece
We have a Spartans coming soon
Amazing how such a society could ever think of itself as being "Christian." is it any wonder that people today are sick to death of politics and religion.
@MusicManMaurice Catholicism was banned among the Irish (and Catholics) in early Australia and Irish were not allowed to practice their religion instead they were forced to attend the Anglican services (Anglicanism was the official religion of England.)They were also forbidden to speak Gaelic(had to speak English) , and could not marry in their own church.They also had no rights.
(bit different now hey!)
If they would have remained in England they would have died of poverty , Australia gave them life and opportunity.
Too bad they were most likely raped and brutalized on the way there...
Australia was essentially the knights Watch
There is a book about this, called "The Brothel Ship"
Thanks for the info! 😁🤗
'The Floating Brothel'
Actually the book is called "The Floating Brothel"
@@sandradowney1523 Thank you. I love reading, so I love it when a book is recommended on a subject of interest.
The Floating Brothel by Siân Rees
Anyone who found this interesting, I would recommend they check out the incredible story of Mary Bryant here on TH-cam.
Mary was a woman with the courage and brains of a genius admiral.
A great seafarer who crossed the ocean to escape Australia and reach Indonesia.
Patiently she planned to get clarity how to lay her hand on a compass.
She was the only convicted one who managed to get back to England.
'the mothers of Australia' umm what? This video fails to recognise Aboriginal people as the first people in Australia. Ridiculous.
sounds like the UK used convicts as the French did the Kings women who came to Canada in the late 17th century.
My ancestor was a teenage girl on this voyage of the Juliana. She married a man from one of the male convict ships.
Her crime for transportation to Australia: Telling a pair of child thieves where they could steal some silver spoons from.
7 years transportation at 17 years old
Poor women...They were used for various purposes for such small delicts...
Sorry, it's "The Floating Brothel" by Sian Rees.
Amazing story!
I swear Australia has the coolest origin story
I’m proud to be Aussie 🇦🇺
Poor woman! Survival of the fittest. Most were children not woman till abused by men. 😢
This video should have a MUCH graver tone. It should also have been narrated by a woman. This is a story of poverty, hardship, and sexual abuse. These women did what they needed to survive. Shouldn’t be romanticised like it is here.
Woah! A girl and a gamer?!?!? Woo-Mama!!! AWOOGA!!! Humana Humana Humana Humana Humana
I’m Australian and my family have been here since the first fleet. Bloody proud to be from a pure bloodline of “criminals” sent to essentially die on an island and instead made it their home.
But sin my youthful hart betrayed, And now I am a convict Maid. To wed my lover I did try, To take my masters property, So all my guilt was soon displayed, And i became a Convict Maid.Then i was soon to prison sent, To wait in fear my punishment, When at the bar I stood dismayed , Since doomed to be a Convict Maid. (Old Poem from the era)
These ladies were BadAss!
I suggest that one should read the book “the fatal shore“, by Robert Hughes. It is an extremely moving book. It also contains a story of an escape from the penal colony ofNew South Wales to Timor. It is well worth investigating.
Yes! I read it when it came out. Beautifully written and a remarkable history
Very interesting, but so pleased I wasn't born in those times.
I would love to read a book about this. As in a story of one of the women and her origin, experiences on board and then her life in Australia. Even if it was an entirely fictional woman, I'd be happy as long as her story was realistic enough and the background was well-researched :) Does anyone know if it exists? Or something similar with interesting historical events?
“The Floating Brothel”
I want to hear about pirates in asia
Yes pls
Oh yes Cheng Si. Pirate queen of Asia.
How come this movie hasn't been made? Or if it has, why haven't I seen it?
Glen Quagmire would loved to have been on this ship
Alex Boze giggity giggity gig-giggity
I could ONLY IMAGINE that TIME of MONTH for THEM🤨 No sanitary napkins, no birth control, no soap, no toiletries!
bet they reeked like rotten seaweed. overboard with the lot of ya!