World Snooker Championship, 2024, BBC-should they stay at The Crucible Theatre?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2024
- Steve Davis asks if the snooker should stay in Sheffield or move away to a bigger venue.
Also has the top 3 shots in the championship. Stuart Binghams shot on the yellow was similar to Big Bill Werbeniuks (Shot A) in the 1985 WC v Joe Johnson.
Steve makes a good case, I really hope the World Snooker Championship stays at The Crucible, Sheffield. The venue is it's home.
Snooker's a tv game anyway I say keep it at the crucible.
Just based on my viewing preferences, the biggest draws are all in their 40s and what is interesting is their excellence and their personalities. There are not many younger players with such charisma. Trump, Lisowski and Allen come to mind. When that older generation are finished, I think the appeal of snooker will take a big hit.
The venue doesn't need to be very big, who wants to sit up in the gods where you can hardly see the table...?
Let's be honest Snooker is an acquired taste, those who like it love it but it's not mainstream enough to pull in big bucks. Most people in the game with sense should realise that.
They think of the 18.5 million that watched the 85 final, but there was nothing else on TV back then, no game consoles, smartphone, or the internet. It was watch that or read a book😂 China is different, snooker seems huge there and the Saudis like their sport washing, but in the UK, a lot of the audience might go when Ronnie retires.
@@sharpvidtube True. I probably wouldn't watch it as much if O'Sullivan, Higgins or Williams weren't still playing...
@@sharpvidtube Having lived in China and a Snooker fan. It is big as is pool. went to a few pool halls whilst I was there and they were always full.
Yet darts does, when it requires much less skill. Why is that?
@@Kevin-mw9yl Because most of the people at darts are just there on the lash getting drunk and don't really care if they can see the dart board or not... it's a day on the piss
Money talks but the atmosphere would be nothing like the Crucible if it moved. Just look at the tournament a couple a months ago in Saudi. Hardly anyone was interested and the people were getting up mid frame and walking out.
Yeah, I couldn't watch much of that, because of that. There was no atmosphere, and I like watching it with an audience that knows and cares for what's going on.
theres more to life than money.. it needs to stay in Sheffield!
There needs to be a 64 man for rhe final stages of the world championships today.
So there needs to be another venue within walking distance of the Crucible (and relayed to the Crucible) to play the extra matches that can't be squeezed in at the Crucible with the extra round to fit in.
@@dvidclapperton Terrible idea. I like that those who played well to get in the top 16, are guaranteed to go to the Crucible. It also gives the qualifiers a chance, not having to face the best players earlier in the draw. This has worked so well for decades, no need to change it.
@@sharpvidtube
At least the ranking system's better than it used to be where the Crucible seedings now reflect more current form rather than the historic form of the old days.
*Steve Davis was sitting on the fence a little bit because Barry Hearn was once his promoter so it was noticeable he couldn’t go against Barry her but the same time I think Steve Davis does know that the Crucible is the home of snooker and it can’t be moved and you will never get the same atmosphere if it ever was*
it can leave the UK, but youll get empty grandstands...
Spoilt kids, who are ruled by money, let them go on their new tour..
Keep the worlds at the crucible, just build a new tour who respects the heritage..
It’s great to hendry, and the others wanting to stay, its memories are worth more than gold..
To me snooker is The Crucible and The Crucible is snooker - the two are synonymous with each other. I've always wanted to go there, I believe its intimacy really brings something different and the thought of fighting to get a ticket (which admittedly hikes the price up) just makes it that extra special. To move it outside of Sheffield would just wipe the mystique away in an instant and that would destroy the game of snooker in so many ways. I've committed myself to get to The Crucible once before 2027 and just hope it stays.
Liv snooker.. With the goat Ronnie as Greg Norman. All the players get even richer but no one bothers to watch or care cos it means nothing. These tournaments will just be for passing out moneybags to players. Ordinary fan will have nothing but contempt. And quite right too.
Greed over fans. The fans that made them famous in the first place. Poor.
Sure and Ronnie the greediest.
Barry Hearn is so full of it.
Kyren saying he has a family to feed, I wish they would stop saying that. Most people watching snooker earn far less than a top16 player. I can't imagine Kyren having to visit a food bank. Why not be honest, they want a few more million in the bank. The days when they said the money didn't matter, it was all about the trophies, are long gone.
@@Lee-dk4qdnot two weeks work though really is it - life’s work and that’s the pinnacle - prize money needs sorting
Yeah if it was that easy everyone would be doing it. Fact is kyren probably sacrificed his entire childhood and social life to get good enough to earn a living in snooker. Fact is he was willing to make the sacrifice and people like and me were not so he dereves it @@Lee-dk4qd
Totally agree. Need less bullsh#@
@@Lee-dk4qdwhen you look at an iceberg, how much of it do you actually see? Understand what I'm saying?
He has a skill set which pays quite well and he should maximise his income as a snooker player's longevity is not long.
Barry Hearn likes money so it'll be gone to the highest bidder as soon as he can. I also dislike him holding the council in Sheffield to ransom with the "build me an arena" rhetoric.
Barry hearn changed his tune from the clip in 2022 to the clip in 2024. snake.
100% God only knows how much he took from Davis.
Short success for the player, long time loss for snooker. Absolutely zero snooker fans in Saudi, good luck flying in 3000 fans there.
As much as I have been a snooker fan all my life, the sport is just not big enough (and never will be) to have all these aspirations and my fear is that the bigger money will set too high expectations that snooker will not be able to fulfil and that would not be a good thing for the sport i love so much.
Im not sure i agree with your statement that "it will never be". We live in an age of the internet and it has never been easier to get people interested in things that before they would not have considered. I do agree that it is possible to over do it and aim too high as well. Remember that these other world locations are just starting to try and increase an interest in Snooker. Look at it this way, you have Football World Cup and it really does include so many players from all over the world. Snooker can grow and be more than it is right now. I think you need more players coming in (from everywhere). Im not saying it could be football huge as these are 2 completely different ball games (pun intended) but i think there is definite opportunities to increase the fan and player base.
Charm is always moneys first casualty
I like that phrase.
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Lies 👍🏼
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Of course the UK players want it to stay at the crucible. Try winning it overseas where the crowd is not on your side like Thorburn and Robertson had to do. No Chinese players interviewed here.
I think in reality snooker will never leave the Crucible, or Sheffield at least, however the WC may be lost to Saudi, and the WST may shrink. Maybe we could have a 'Crucible Contest' with the long matches and chances for qualifying amateurs as that is what real fans like, and then Saudi/China can have the big money glam events with a shorter and punchier style for the more casual fans.
CRUCIBLE IS THE BEST SNOOKER VENUE ON EARTH
@digeme69 Thanks for posting these videos from the beeb. Do you have any of the Murphy Hendry blackboard or the getting to know the player ones at all?
I don't but they can be downloaded from the i player as they are there for 30 days. I think the interval pieces are worth posting as they are popular, but it isn't a good idea to post too much stuff from the i player as it can get blocked or even create a strike on the channel.
Thank you for the response will have a look on iplayer for them
If the tournament leaves, all the fans that have made the sport will not be there. Also imagine watching the Snooker on a different time zone.
and lots of new fans will emerge. That's how it works. If you want to grow the sport then you bring it to the masses. The reason snooker is lagging in popularity compared to other sports is because of attitudes like yours
Bet your fun at parties.
@@Riktenstein Don't be like that about it. He is right but you also have a point and you don't need to sacrifice everything in order to grow. Really think on it, give constructive ideas about how you think it should go. Football is worldwide and Snooker needs some fresh ideas to help it become more than it is at the moment.
My opinion means nothing to be clear. My attitude was stating a few little facts. Nothing more. Snooker will be what it will be.
@@Matthew-bu7fg They do play tournaments in lots of countries now. I feel if China kept getting world champions, they would have an argument for hosting the world championships. Until then, keep it at the Crucible.
it's going like most sports, the Beeb does such a great job building them up attracting a great fan base only for Sky etc to step in, it'll be a shame to see it go.. and players saying gotta pay the bills?.. behave ffs..🙄😂
9:16 Nice bit of Four Tet
The crucible needs an overhaul. The WC should definitely stay in England and Sheffield. Barry hearn should butt out of it. Let them have tournaments and tours in China and the Middle East but keep the World's here in England.
I’ve always like Barry as he has always stuck to his guns and said it’s staying at the crucible but what Saudi has offered him has shocked him. The money he has been offered is too good to miss and I honestly think they have bought it already and it’s off to Saudi in 2028…
The one big thing nobody has brought up is moving the world's to somewhere overseas is the time zones the TV fans in the UK would have to watch snooker
That would be the same for people watching from Australia to see Neil Robertson
For me history vastly outwieghs everything, i think the Crucible just needs a bit of an update or an expansion
Read someone say, move it to London, give sheffield the time to rebuild/expand the crucible, then move it back.
Where did the cue ball finish on Day's shot? Was he well on the brown? The editor is clearly not a snooker fan at all.
What's the song that starts at 02:06?
By watching the video, Why they can not move into the place the qualifiers were taking place, it looked like a big venue
you can have big money tournaments wherever you want, WC doesn't need to be moved for that. WC doesn't need to be about money.
and i'm not sure Lisowski should be talking about winning the WC...
Beautiful Richard Hawley soundtrack! Sheffield lad
The reason it won’t take off in Saudi it’s to hot to play uk is ideal to play
Must be a hard life playing a game you love and picking up thousands. If your not making enough money at the game then you either need to work harder or choose a different career. The crucible is the home of snooker and if it leaves it simply just won't be the same. Those that say it's buisness. All I would say is without the crucible and the history of the sport were would you be today ?
I would say extend the crucible and make it bigger. Get a contract in place with the big money guys and have more precious tournaments around the world.
Please don't split the room anymore, extend the tournament give the players more time.
Snooker has been downhill for a long time there are very little places to play I play in working man’s clubs when I was young there was snooker clubs everywhere in China it’s part of the school curriculum
I want it to stay at the crucible it’s the home of snooker 🎱 but if it does move away I hope it at least stays on these shores , I’d rather it go to Ireland or the 02 arena rather than abroad
Steve has got Hearnitis.
I've a mortgage to pay (on a £1.5 million home)
Steve Davis reminds me of Francis rossi
Leave it at the Crucible 👍🏽
STEPHEN LEE likes the crucible burger van too much
It does just go to show how out of touch some of these players are. Kyren talking about feeding his family when he’s just a prize that equates to 15 times the average annual salary for 2 weeks work.
The game and nearly all players need to find some charisma if it wants to compete. Hearn is chasing the money, BUT he really hasn’t got the theatrics in him to make a success of this as the game stands. Maybe a couple of big ticket seasons, and then people will just see that it’s not worth it.
Maybe you are right, but maybe you are wrong. If you dont try, you will never know.
And also i think that Barry Hearn made dozens of correct decisions over the years. we see the results of his work now. I would better trust him than Shaun Murphy.
@@victors3803 Hearn spent decades cleaning the game up for sure, to the point where the management is geared around what he wanted for Steve Davis. But I think people will expect more for their money; many players today can not deliver that.
Tennis grand slam events have 128 players of eaxh sex, golf majors have 156 players. Yet snooker world championships are stuck at 32 players.
The world number 40 is at least as good as the world number 12 back in the 1980's, so it time to increse the fiekd to at least 64 players. But the Crucible is too small to host 64 players over 17 days and maintain the format. So how about a second venue in Sheffield very close to the Crucible that can host the extra matches that allows the world championship to maintain the 17 days with same format in the remaining 5 rounds. Not all matches can be played at the Crucible with a larger field but still just as much would be played at rhe Crucible over the 17 days as has always been the case.
Yes they should stay it’s all about the fans at the end of the day but the players don’t give a shit to busy filling there pockets
If the world snooker championship as to leave the crucible then keep the world in the UK the three top championships the the world the UK and the masters can't be played anywhere else apart from the home of snooker
Time marches on and the next generation/s replace some of the old age gen and so on. So in 10-20 years from now when all the people who say, "stay" are about to leave this earth and the game rolls on with more money and diifferent venues around the globe, the new breed of player won't care as long as they reap the benefit of what the past has created. We build on what the past has delivered to us and so it goes on and on.
Im neither too stubborn to consider changing or full on board about the possibility of moving. There's even middle ground to consider (upgrading/rebuilding/using only in the worlds etc while building better facility). I'm seeing too many comments just going off and being adamant about not moving but that also comes from peoples inability to accept change. There are options and you should consider the future of the sport as a whole. Build on it in a way that you think is better and help the world appreciate the sport, give ideas, add to the conversation people.
You're telling me I'm wrong just for considering the possibility of changing something in Snooker. I've said I'm open to it and you've gone to the extreme and literally told me "people like me are the reason why things in the world...etc" what you really mean is someone who has a different outlook than yourself. You can constructively participate in conversation about it. Things in the world change and evolve, it doesn't need to be doom and gloom and you can have input. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting down people isn't the way. I agree that extremes of ideas can be very bad and that's why I'm ignoring gut feelings and trying to be open minded to what others are going to say to me.
I'm sorry but the move is inevitable. Stephen Hendry had one of his friends on his channel a while back who is currently on the tour and the appearance money for players outside the top 16 is pathetic and not enough to make a living on. It's great for the top players who consistently make the business end of tournaments to say stay at the crucible, but there is a litany of players who are grinding away on the tour and struggle to make any decent money. If extra prize money doesn't come from somewhere else then things will have to change.
I think the growing number of young, top Chinese players is the biggest threat to snooker in the UK. Once the majors are dominated by them, interest will quickly fade, regardless of venues.
Personally I'm not a fan of the Chinese influence on snooker.
Why would you consider that a threat though?. The more players from around the world the better the sport will be. You want more talent coming in. Raise the game. Snooker could have a more worldwide fanbase. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it could grow to level like football but why not make it a more worldwide played sport.
Genuinely, if you could explain why it's a bad influence and what it is that concerns you?. I'm open to hearing what the negatives are.
Money mad people ruin the fun and nostalgia of sports
Barry hearn is a money mad vulture, who does not give a damn about what things like the crucible mean.
Barry is the typical agent, who brian clough hated, as he knew they were vultures.
I have not seen snooker this century, but i still remember when young watching the crucible and the world championships.
Just glad those who owned liverpool stayed at anfield, and understood what anfield meant to liverpool was more important than getting a few thousand extra seats in a game.
Places like anfield, highbury, and crucible should be listed buildings
Just glad liverpool never left anfield to chase money. Liverpool could not replace anfield, just like arsenal could not repeat highbury.
Money mad arsene wenger destroyed arsenal, thinking like barry hearn, leaving highbury cost arsenal who they were.
Just glad liverpool never left anfield
Like i said, certain places in sports should be listed buildings, as they mean more to the sport and fans, than people know.
You can see why brian clough hated agents, and barry hearn is just a vulture, who does not give a damn about what sport means, other then money making for people like him.
Playing the world championships in saudi arabia = total joke
Now I wonder how many finals were actually won on the black or at least ended with a black ball potted.
What about the money it's generated arround the local area
Barry hernia ...rupturing snooker and darts with sheer naked greed.
You don't get rich by being sentimental...
Hearn isn't be sure of that.
if moves that's snooker finished
Sheffield council pay £34 million to wpbsa to host the tournament
It shouldnt stay it deserves a better home with more seats and better venue its world championships, in the end the investors will have the most say and final word end of story in the end snooker is a business and needs to be profitable nostalgia isnt going to make money for the sport or the players. Barry bang on the money and people need to start living in the real world and not fantasy land.
In the final seriously i seen empty seats, not only that there was empty seats throughout the whole tournament. We don't want the WC in the middle east no matter what happens hearn! Barry you bullsh*tted us in 2022 claiming snooker will never leave the crucible you practically gave us your word!
Coin toss😂
If someone said play in Saudi Arabia for £5million first prize, ehod say no.
no wonder players are taking bribes to throw games, putting the game into jepordy on purpouse
Snooker Loopy.
Hearns only care about money
If any of you was in top 64 just getting by with cash if ya do well you would be begging for this lol money is the key and obviously uk cash wont double ever
64th ranked player on the money list this year earned £43,000, which is more than he up average. That’s prize money only. They earn extra on top with sponsorships deals etc
@lukebarton5075 yea but like I said that's only decent money for anyone they can at least double that if the big changes come in ya would be mad to not wanna double your income for the few years you might be in the top 64
i dont trust a word Barry Hern says
Lots of top players have complained about the Crucible over the decades. It's too small. The World Championship should move to a bigger and better venue. It needs freshening up. New presenters, new venue, new commentators. Move forward to a new and better era for snooker. Like darts when it moved from the Lakeside to the Ally Palace and became far more successful. Thousands of snooker fans try to get tickets each year but they can't because the Crucible is too small. The snooker world championship needs to move with the times and become bigger and better and that means leaving the Crucible for the good of the game and its future.
The darts is different it’s just loads of poeple getting pissed who don’t even care about darts. Snooker needs more concentration than darts
Bingham is so unlikeable, what with the betting scandal and talking like a big-time Charlie despite a relatively underwhelming career. He’s made millions out of it, he can’t exactly grumble that it’s not enough.
After the way Kyren acted in that last frame they should consider holding it in a local nursery.
Some things don't need to change!!! The bigger venue is ally pally. Nobody is breaking Shakespeare's globe 🙄
shows the greed
the bbc will go where the money goes, it might move away.....but i say leave it there....
Hearn is a business man full stop he will ruin snooker for the dollar I have no problem with players earning more money but leave places like the crucible and triple crown alone please
Do we really give a shit, money will make the choice
I just hope it stays in England
Price tickets is a rip-off
I think the two-table setup has had its day.
Quite unbelievable - A break away tour !!!! - Get real, if there is one thing this 2024 WSC has shown is that players outside the established top 8 are only really watchable to snooker purists
TAKE THE MONEY
If this tournament was being played in a 5,000 seater venue and you pitched the 980 seat Crucible, people would think you were barking mad. There is no reason to stay at The Crucible. Shaun Murphy's saying the PR answers because he's head of the players committee, the rest of the players don't care and would rather go to the place with the most money/fans/prestige because... they're sportspeople.
I'm a Forest fan. Even I would find it barking mad for them to play the World Cup final at the City Ground over Wembley/Old Trafford/Emirates Stadium etc. People are far too hung up on nonsense.
You're making some reasonable points. Worldwide I don't think Snooker is as popular (I think we all know that) but it can and is trying to grow and that can be a good thing. It's not football and not for everyone, I accept that. There needs to be some level of change. To what degree and how the changes come in that's a conversation that everyone that loves the sport needs to have. Insisting on nothing changing ever isn't realistic. That's why I say people putting up their own ideas is a good thing. Videos like this show that they want people to discuss it and their not hiding what's being talked about.
There is every reason to stay at the crucible. Hearn is a hungry count.
@@johnmc3862 give me 3 reasons. I ask for 3 because I know one of the reasons you'll give will be "because of the history" 🙄
@@TheycallmeMrWonka they've tried to promote this as though players are 50/50 in the move/stay camp. I think the only player banging the "stay" drum is Murphy... because he has to. I think the rest would be more than happy if it moved and they were in a bigger venue with more eyes and better conditions.
I think snooker could be doing more to grow too. Why isn't there a ranking event in Belgium when there are three Belgian players - all young - on the tour? Why have we not tapped into the Australian market? Why does the women's tour have 6 events in 8 countries (including in Belgium and the USA) whilst the men's tour has 17 ranking events in 3 countries? More could be being done imo
@@johnmc3862 5 days later. Not one reason given. Sums it up. All mouth no trousers
Sentiment in sports is vanishing. Snooker has now players from many parts of the world. Each country will claim a right to stage it like it or not. Even top Tennis will one day be in danger of being played on hard surface only. So watch it Wimbledon.
barry hearn talking like his boxing promoter son...complete hypocrite who will leave to go to anu dhabi,
both hearns should be in politics, complete bullshitters
The game had a bum as champion last year, and now Wilson (and the less said about him the better). I absolutely hate what Hearn and his glove puppet Davis (aided and abetted by the loathsome Clive Everton) have done to our game. Joe, Fred, Pulman, Reardon, Spencer, Charlton, and Higgins, and then White. The great line ends there. The game is in ruins, and all we are left with is the self-pitying whining of O’Sullivan and the idiots on the BBC. Forget it.
Do you do parties?
@@johnmc3862 Yes, but only for the winners and runners-up in the UK championship up until 1979. But your comment is funny, and I am genuinely grateful for it.
Money talks and shit walks.
It's an absolute disgrace that the snooker tables they used at the World Championships are made in China and not UK
Kyran talking shit about he’s got mouths to feed.. he drives a Bentley and a Range Rover.. I can’t afford to drive any car.. hes a great player but he doesn’t live in the real world
Snooker lost 95% of its appeal when players were no longer allowed to drink or smoke at the table.
The reason it won’t take off in Saudi it’s to hot to play uk is ideal to play