Why is this amp/cab so popular for METAL? Peavey 5150 and Mesa OS 4x12
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- One of the most iconic amplifier and cabinet pairings of all time, the Peavey 5150 and the Mesa Boogie Recto Standard (OS) 4x12 has been featured on countless records and used by tons of bands, but why? Is it really the KING of metal tone? Let's take a look at it, and ALSO let's see how digital modelers go about recreating the signal chain digitally for funsies.
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0:00 Intro
1:53 Why DistroKid is awesome
2:39 Playthrough 5150
8:14 Joyo VIVO
10:50 SHOOTOUT!
13:17 WHY is it popular?
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Do one with free plugins that sounds like the paid ones or sometimes better.
Heard Nalex has some cool stuffs
Hi Taylor! It sounded like the ampero has an eq problem... 🤔By the way, new update has been released for Ampero and I noticed a little change in the modelers after installing the new update. Maybe I'm wrong because It is not said that there has been any change in this matter in the update.
Maybe would you make a short video about this? and with EQ matching...
honestly this shootout was such an awesome demonstration.
Not sure if you have the Quad Cortex yet - but would be cool to do a shootout between a capture of your block letter vs the real thing! If not maybe a shootout like this comparing the neural plugins vs the block letter since NDSP does have a good few amps modeled after the 5150. I think the Gojira suite’s heavy amp is a 5153 w/ EL34?
Appreciate the content!
@@djentaman7009 I ordered one, but haven’t received it yet. Hopefully by the end of the year I’ll be able to do some QC content 😂
axe fx sounded spot on imo. your neighbors must really like you.
😂 my neighbor is a very nice lady and has never complained.
By far, the 5150 is the best amp I've ever experienced live. I thought the guitarist had it modded or something, but I think this video shows that this amp just sounds THAT good.
They are workhorse, reliable amps for sure! Doesn't hurt that they sound pretty beast to boot!
Some things just ARE
😂
That Line 6 sounded spot on back to back. Which is what I knew already since I did this not too long ago with my Helix and a 5150 head. I was really blown away. Great video here.
I wanted a 5150/6505 paired with a Mesa since I saw Chimaira on the Impossibility of Reason tour in the early 2000s. Had a Mesa cab for years now but finally got a Peavey head this year for £450 used and love it.
Well done man, really dig the tone and the video!! First time viewer to your channel, keep it up!🔥🔥🔥
The Axe FX was almost a perfect match. Pod Go was the second - had its own quality that I preferred in some ways.
Same conclusion here.
My favorite set up. I've been using this set for 22 years.
I’v been digging my Evh stealth 50 for about a year now. Love it.
Man, of the online guitar guys I watch, your style of playing is hands down my favorite.
Cuz everyone is a lame bum playing butt rock or goofy metal core shit instead of death metal
I got to play a Peavey 6505 and loved it! It was actually plugged into the low gain channel and not using too much overdrive. I love hygiene stuff but I was surprised at the break up this amplifier had.
*the Andy Sneap Mixing Forum has entered the chat*
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I have to say the POD GO was a surprise. I didn't expect it to sound as good as it did.
That's kind of always how I feel about it. I need to stop underestimating it.
@@TaylorDanley it would seem that no matter what line 6 does, they can't seem to break free from the stigma of their earlier sounding tones etc. So many people bash on line 6 the world over.. I'm not sure if it's due to actual experience with the products and not liking the tones or if it's and expectation not met straight from the box. No idea really.. One things for sure, I have somehow always been able to achieve some notably 'decent' tones. At least for my uses. I never really minded diving deeper into any piece of gear i've had to make it sound as i'd like. Perhaps some people simply don't like that possibility/option(s)? I've been contemplating getting the POD Go because of it's seemingly tonal flexability and ease of use.. Your demo has provided more info towards that purchase..
It is after all the same sounds as the Helix which is among the higher priced units. I think it came in as second in this comparison after the Axe.
@@Stefan- Yeah i guess the pod go basically has the same sound profiles. Matching tones and quite a few similar parameters. Yet not the same processing power. ie less effects in a chain. perhaps my wording is incorrect..?
@@continuum288 It has the exact same simulations of amps/speakers and effects (except for a few missing), due that it has about half of the DSP power it cant run as many amps/effects and it just has a very simple effectchain and fewer functions/IO in general. Given that you use the same amp and effectchain it should sound identical to the Helix though.
I just got a Peavey 6505+ the other day. I spent 900. I overpaid but everything is inflated and the prices online were the same price range. So I ended up getting it and it sounds so great with my Mesa Oversized 4x12. I can see why a lot of bands went for this combo. I also have the Iconic and 50 watt stealth and I love it as much as those two. It just has a lot of fullness and aggression that I love.
I mean assuming it's 900$ US. That's a decent price for a plus. Most normal 6505s online and in my local area are going for 700-800. With the 6505+ usually being 1k or so for good condition
I got my self a 6534+ for 900 bucks. Going into my mesa os 4x12 and man what killer combo. The amp can do old school thrash to modern djent style metal with no pedals needed either. With pedals like a overdrive or 10 band eq the amp breathes differently in a good way if that makes sense.
Straight up, Axe FX III nailed it. The rest had their own colourings which were skewing things a fair bit. There's something about the scratchiness of that block letter though. Really needs a boost and a tamer :P
Wicked riffs man!
I'll get flamed for this but in this video I think the Axe-Fx actually sounded better than the real amp. The real amp had some hyped up high treble that sounded like there was a constant haze of "cshhhhhh" over the tone. The Axe-Fx was just as complex and present in the treble overall but didn't have the obnoxious stand-out treble hissyness. Cool!
Damn Taylor! Great vid man! Nice touch throwing all the different examples out there. I’m trying to help a buddy find a budget friendly modeler. Any suggestions on which budget ones do well with a power amp and real cabinet?
This is essentially The Carcass Heartwork Rig, but they took the backs off two of them and taped them together to be double deep
August Burns Red has been using that combo for forever. It sounds good, but I always thought it was a weird change from the VHTs they used to use, which I've always thought sounded much better than the 5150.
Also Gojira used this combo before switching to EHV.
I can't wait to get out work later. Gonna jam out to the same rig 👍
Hey Taylor,
For the purpose of the Joyo Bantamp in the future, try isolating 1 or 2 speakers to the test. It will "level the playing field" so to speak with the larger Original amps. I've plugged in my 2 x 12 and even isolated for 1 speaker at a time. It's sounds nice.
Yeah, but I didn't want to give it a handicap, I wanted to test it through the same cabinet specifically because a lot of people ask if it CAN power a 4x12 and to what extent.
Love these amps and would love to own the OG, although the used prices for them nowadays are silly.
The cheapest I can find a mark 1 5150 in the UK at the moment (Block Letter) is £1,954, so about $2760. And this seems to be consistent when they pop up since people are seeing others listing theirs for high prices and follow the trend.
I managed to pick up a 5150 2 for about £700 about a week ago and I feel that was pure luck, others were going for £1300.
Yeah the prices are insane! I remember seeing them used all the time for like $500 US
Burn my eyes! Sounds great...
I like the 6505 tones here, though when I reach for a good sim I almost never use that sound lol. I go for a good Randall Thrasher tone or Ignite's NRR1. Thrasher for the techy things, NRR1 for more chunk. Of course I use a ton of Audio Assault things too′ Always messing about with sims these days. :p
Have played / owned a real 6505 though, and it was a beast. Kind of a one trickster for metal though unless you boost it or put EQ pedal before the amp. This is just IMO, but the best real amp I've had was a Marshall DSL series is nastier and does interesting things with boosts. Wish I still had mine.
As far as closeness, the Axe was spot on. Not surprising realy, that box is a powerhouse.
Try and get a Laboga Mr Hector on the Channel. That thing is so monstrous. Cytotoxin used it on Gamageddon and I loooove that tone. It's tight but super grinding and ... broken. Lol. Best way I can describe it.
Awesome tone.
Nissssssssssssssssssce 🍻
U need to try the Friedman BE mini! It's a dual sword wielding berserker going ham!⚔️
They seem to be super popular right now! You never know!
Watching Brutal truth using the 5150 and mesa triple rectifier combo together was sick. The guitar player has another band called Blurring now.
good shit right here Taylor...so glad I bit the bullet and got my POD Go last year. I bet with another 5 min of tweaking it would have been much closer. are you going to share that patch?? :)
Hi! KSE actually used a Mesa Rec (triple, if I remember correctly) on Alive or Just Breathing. The 5150 is blended with a Framus Cobra on the following record, The End Of Heartache. Anyway, great video as always!
I've read both, and KSE guitar tone definitely is a rabbit hole you can get lost on the internet in... Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if on the record they used a blend of several different amps for different songs/parts.
Adam d of killswitch has used every amp possible almost literally!
VERY COOL DEMO
hey man this maybe a silly question but I'm still a rookie, I got a jcm 900 amp and a mesa 4x12 OS Slant, the older 280 watts versions, my question is I have an inpedance switch that says (4) 16 8 can I run my amp at 16 through my mesa cab when it only has an 8 ohm plug in?
my dream amp dayum
Bullet for my valentine, machine Head. Amazing tones
Yes, it lives up to the "hype", especially when playing live. Dang that AxeFx3 is really close enough though.
Taylor is any difference for you between axe fx 3 mark 1 vs mark 2? You have mark 1 right ?
Hey Taylor! As usual great vid content. I have a question. Are your settings with the 5150 dramatically different when in a live setting compared to recording at home or doing a vid demo. Could you possibly elaborate on that? Thank you for all your efforts to answer questions.
Not usually. It really depends on the venue. I almost never use an actual amp live anymore, but it works the same regardless of the gear. If it’s a decent venue with a good sound system, I just let the sound guy do his thing. If we are playing a cavernous floor show with no sound system, then you kind of have to tweak to the room a little bit…. Usually cutting out low end and boosting the presence.
Thank you sir. Keep up the great work.
What was your signal chain on the amperro?
I saw Falsifier use a 5150 with a Mesa 4x12 cab last night and it fucking brutal tone
the standard metal rig, i would say that, 💯💯
hey... the analog stuff just sounds amazing!!!!!!
Man, that 5150 sound never gets old! Care to share your Ampero settings? Thanks!
I'm actually working on a preset pack for all the modelers that have been on my channel... it just keeps getting pushed to the back burner. Soon!
Nice shirt!
I love this amp. Great tone...Also we can use maxon with this beast :)
Chimaira both guitarist on almost every album peavey 6506+ Mesa 412 os
Love Chimairas guitar tone now that I think about it 😂
Dude. Clients still SLAAAYYYYYYYSSSS.
Great video!
Too bad the big comparison at the end wasn't through the same IR for example. but I'm sure there are many vids that did that exactly.
I linked one that I did with the same IR with a video card in this video! Or you can search 5150 on my channel
@@TaylorDanleyoh cool :)
Chimaira's guitars Rob Arnold used this amp and cab combo on all the Chimaira records
I think IRs are incredibly important. Often I find theres a lack of customization (mic position for example) and that they're trying a bit too hard to "not get lost" meaning they have too much mids, making them sound kinda boxy. Slap on something from OwnHammers heavy hitters pack and boom it's back. Sometimes it feels like the IR / Cab makes more of a difference than different amps (as long as it's not something like deluxe reverb vs plexi, that is)
The IR's totally make the majority of the difference.. I feel like at least. Probably why the AxeFx sounds the most accurate, since their approach is to just have an IR loader built in rather than something that's trying to imitate cab/mic selection and position.
Hey dude so I recently saw a video of someone who modded a marshall origin 20 and the sound was unreal. I know it may be unnecessary spending but if you could get one of those heads and make the mod or someone makes the mod I would love to see that amp in a modern context. I'm asking too much 😬
It's a great amp, and a cab and all the modelers and stuff, but that Kelly.. fuckin' beautiful! 😃
Thanks! I agree, she's also my best playing guitar ATM
I have a 5150 II head with a Peavey 4x12 cab I never seem to see that combo on you tube?
That Ampero sounds pretty sick, not exactly like the real 5150, but I really like that tone
of the Ampero!
Now go and try to make the 5150 sound like the Ampero!😂🤘
😂 I probably could get pretty close with an EQ in the chain somewhere..
and that you tube world is how you demonstrate a high gain amp 🙏
09:45 have you considered using room mics or binaural mics close to where you're sitting, so that us youtube watchers hear more of that "amp in the room" sound (which only you can hear), and not just the close mic sound (which is also important).
Would be really cool and interesting.
Is it me or does the low end on the 5150 sound a bit flubby here? When the power chords move around. Maybe it's because it's coming from my phone speaker?
I used to go into. Guitar center every weekend as a kid just to plug into a 5150 “block letter”. I plugged into every head that was out and NOTHING. Was as chunky/punchy as this head. Back then I believe it even retailed at like 550$ lmao.
You can't play this combo without a stankface. Impossible!!🤘
The amp that birthed metalcore
Yea..
I mean, Carcass Used it on "Heartwork", and that technically helped create what would later he melodic metalcore.
Is the 5150 incorporated in your live rig?
No. As cool as it is, I would need 2 of them and it would be heavy as hell. I have my live rig in a 10 space shock case and that tunz 2 guitars and the bass, so pretty consolidated lol
Gotcha! Makes total sense.
It’s just a tried and true combination, the harmonics are all at the right bandwidth, especially for any type of extreme metal.
Plus, Mesa cabs can make just about any amp sound tough. You should try a Crate GX-130C head through that cab if you ever get the opportunity.. instant Suffocation.
That's true! Funny, I've hear those amps mentioned a bunch recently, and I never thought anything of them. My first amp was a crate, and I always thought it sounded terrible!
@@TaylorDanley It’ll do the ‘Effigy For The Forgotten’ tone and some Barnes-era CC, but that’s about it..
What was your signal chain on the amperro? My aim is to re create that tonight 🤟🏻
All I used is the 5150 (Eddie 51 I think?) and the Mesa OS cab, mic was set pretty much how I had it set in real life, edge of cap. Pretty close. Nothing crazy!
@@TaylorDanley thanks for replying! I’ll get on it! Sounded dope 🤟🏻 not quite the big rig but still sounded good
The Ampero and the GE 250 both sound kinda boxy with the stock IR's and internal IR handling. I'd sooner disable the internal solution and either run through a cab with a power amp or use a separate hardware IR loader for those.
How about a Visa Versa video, mesa head with a 6505 or 5150 cab.
Throw a Overdrive in front of the amp. Monster tone
Normally I would, I wanted to keep it simple for the modeler comparison though.
@@TaylorDanley I have a Peavey 6505 mh with a Harley Benton 2x12 with Celestion V30 and my neighbours have called the cops on me twice. Thank god I live in México and cops don't give a shit a noise complaints 🤣🤣
Amps!!!!!! 👏 😂 🤘👹🤘
Cool video. Would be nice a comparisson with 6505MH and 6505 Piranha!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘🇵🇹
(Weres the fuckin' Kex review???)
Helix sounds really close man!!
I think for me the Axefx3 & Line6 both sounded very close
They're definitely the most accurate.
@@TaylorDanley Yup, No complaint on axe fx3, I have a question. Could you make a video between axefx3 and Helix based on tone feel? I am very curious to hear about how these units stack up against each other with not just the sound but also the feel.
I got my 6505+ used for $545 about a year before Eddie Van Halen passed. Now you'll never find it for that price. It's how the industry exploits and ruins things.
Yeah I bought my 5150 before he passed for considerably less than they go for now as well. It’s unfortunate.
Yes it’s the king of metal amps…
Rob Arnold from Chimaira use this head with a Mesa oversized cab
I love chimaira
I know Whitechapel used that combo for A New Era of Corruption.
Just ordered a used 6505+ for $669 from guitar center. Let's see if it actually shows up.
03:25 Hate Eternal riff ?
The 5150 is a very popular amp in metal indeed, but the king is the Mesa Rectifier.
I'd disagree.. I think the dual rec is a great amp, but in order to get a modern metal tone out of it, you almost have to use a boost. They're also much more temperamental to dial in, where as a 5150 just plugs in and goes chug instantly. But as far as classics, I'd say they both are synonymous with metal tone.
@@TaylorDanley I agree that you need a TS with Recto. But on the other hand, you absolutely need an EQ with a 5150 because it's mostly all mids and highs. There's that hunky high that just clutters any mix unless you tame it down, I think 1-3.5k. I always disliked the 5150's palm-mute sound, there's something clunky and unreal about it, that's how I recorgnize a 5150 in a mix.
The black dahlia murder
5150 all day.
My 5150 doesn’t sound that good . Maybe it’s the cab. But it has v30s in it
Speaker load is only part of the equation. Cab design can change the tone drastically.
Depends on the v30 as well, the mesa v30s are different than marshall or the ones you can buy retail from celestion... however, you CAN buy mesa v30s direct from Mesa
@@TaylorDanley I think that’s what it is they are 16ohms and I’ve heard the 8ohms sound more midy compared to the 16ohm high sizzle. Wish I would of know that before I bought them.
@@whatsupbra43 I have a couple vids I did a while back comparing them, and the 16 ohm china made definitely sound more harsh in the top. Honestly though, I dont think they sound BAD, I think you just have to roll back your treble/presence more than you would with the mesa
I'm playing guitar for 20 years, I have a few high end guitars like the Jackson RR1 USA... I play my whole life using amp sims and other modulator, never getting that tone I hear on my fav records. Recently I purchased a 6505 a Mesa 4x12 OS and all 3 Tubescreamers (Ibanez TS9 and 808 and the Maxon 808) I immediately got that High gain metal tone I was looking for years and lost a good chunk of my hair to it. Do yourself a favor, save up and buy that analog gear, you will not regret it.
Ive been using analog gear since 1996, a 6505+ since 2007, not sure how anyone uses digital and is happy
@@Ottophil I tried the recently released Amped - Block Letter by ML it gets pretty close to what I record from my amp but 2 years ago this was not the case.
Boosting a hughes and kettmer grandmiester with a shitty metal od with just level sounds beasty
Hmm. That's nowhere near the tone I remember from my 5150. Granted I sold it before I got my Mesa cab, but I think we just go for completely different tones. This is like chainsaw death metal kind of loose tone. I remember it being ultra saturated, smooth and kind of buzzy but incredibly tight, perfect for thrash.
It's a cool rig just boring. So many better options out there. Diezel, Ksr, revv, driftwood dover, synergy, bogner, prs all have awesome heads and cabs
Dude. Did you really just recommended a block letter and an oversized Mesa 4x12 for people that are looking into getting their FIRST TUBE AMP or FIRST METAL RIG? :D Isn't that.. a bit of an overkill? Hahaha
Some people learn to swim in the kiddie pool. Others dive head first into the deep end.
Seeing as how I have a 6505+ and a Mesa O/S 4x12, I'd say, yeah.....it RIPS!! \,,/ OO \,,/
Killer video dude. 🍆
Thanks buddy! 🤘
Live the real 5150 is bonecrushing, modelers can get close in a recording but i have a 5150 and a/b vs a kemper /axefx the 5150 is WAY better in person
Joyo sounded better than I thought it would, but still not good
You can pair the joyo with a 100w power amp and then BOOM you have a 100w joyo zombie head. Basically a Mesa head but half the price haha
hey man great video! but i wanna say something, your playing is awesome truly.... but every time you do a bend or vibrato, it leaves something to be desired. your playing is so great it would be completed if you worked on your bends/vibrato. just my .02. anywho, keep em coming!
sEnD a 5150
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The affordable part of the 5150 video didn't age well at all lmao
6505 is shit. 5150 is better tbh