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- In this video I go through four scenarios of how to read a smart meter on a home in California that is outfitted with photovoltaic solar panels and a smart meter. The meter is operated by Southern California Edison and its brand is "OpenWay". The solar panel inverter is a "Sunny Boy" brand installed by Planet Solar, Inc.
The first two scenarios show the meter when the home is consuming energy. The third scenario shows a situation when the home is almost breaking even between the amount of energy being consumed and the amount being used. The fourth scenario shows the home generating electricity and putting it back on the smart grid.
We review several codes including "Sync net", "Pld 252", "001", "071" and "082" and demonstrate how you can read the cumulative amount of kilowatt-hours that have been produced by the home, the amount being consumed, and the instantaneous production of the entire home's electrical system.
We also briefly show the solar panel's meter that just measures the output from the panels and calculate how much electricity is being used by the home when "idle" (In this case 550 watts) - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Just got our system operational 2 days ago. I wondered about the different meter readings, so this video was extremely helpful. Thanks for the work!
You're welcome!
Thank you for posting. Helps with training others.
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
Thank You for this information. I wondered what each code stood for. I appreciate your time and sharing :)
That was very helpful, thank you!
This helps a great deal since the meter just went online. it also seems to be showing a not reg message of some sort. I'll see how this goes by Monday and then start calls if needed.Thanks again.
Thank you, that was super helpful. My meter’s slightly different but similar enough that I get what’s happening there now.
Outstanding video. Very easy to follow along, especially when I'm right in front of my meter
Thanks so much for compiling and sharing this info. Very helpful!!
Glad it was helpful!
If I didn't comment before...I will now...Simple, to-the-point, understandable..
Excellent presentation of info.
Great video with thorough explanation
Good rundown and explanation. New to the home solar panels community, and this helped explain it. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Well done and very useful information.
Very informative video. Thanks!
Most helpful since codes are different across country. Your insights were not in the "How to Read Your Smart Meter 042010.pdf" that I reviewed. I thank you.
BTW: a Watt is a Joule/second. We can use 500 watts draw (power) for two hours using 1KWhr of energy. (the time hours / time sec cancels out to create the unit energy) energy is joules. This detail means little to 99%+ of the folks.
Glad it helped
Thank you very much for sharing. I learned a lot today about reading the meter.
Great to hear!
Thank you for your video! Good information and good to know!
Hi! Thanks for the tutorial. I just had to mention that you sometimes confuse power (units of kW) with energy (units of kWh). The readings that say kW under the number are power, not energy. A kWh is used when you run an appliance that uses a kW for an hour. :-) Thanks for the video.
Very much appreciated. Thank you
Good info. Got my PTO from SCE last week. Meter (Openway) says FatError2 and I dont seem to be generating any energy, according to comparison of recent energy use vs a few weeks ago. Solar company is useless and Edison is non-responsive. Electrician replaced/upgraded the panel back in December and it seemed to be working normally after that until roughly a week ago. SCE rep came out a few weeks ago and put a sticker on it verifying the location. I was able to find the Operating manual for the meter and it indicates a RAM error and says it needs to be returned for repair.
We just had a solar system installed, but the numbers on my meter are 14 and 24 rather than the 71 and 01 that you show. Can you tell me the difference?
Hello sir.i am working on a university project on grid tied pv inverter with net metering.can you help me on this for the programming of net metering in assembly or c language.
Thanks for your tutorial video. SCE's website gives only a partial explanation, not explaining 082, which is the number most needed for actual monitoring of usage in super hot weather.
Glad it was helpful!
Yes. Most certainly by design I’m sure!!
VERY helpful! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this informative video!
You're welcome
very informative video. However I still haven't found information I'm looking for my meter starts at 001 and goes up one numeral at a time, by time it got 018 I went back in the house.
My meter just keeps flashing "DEL" with a 4 digit number and "REC" with a bunch of 0's. I can't find out what these mean anywhere.
What does it mean when you see 'IP Addr' on the display?
This is really helpful except my meter seems to have different number codes. Otherwise it looks identical to the one in the video. My meter model is CL200 and it cycles through the number codes 11, 4, 6, 10. What do those correspond to? Thanks!
The instantaneous readings are not kwh but kw. You can reference the display, in bottom right hand side under the value, it reads kw. Good job!
thanks!
Greetings,
Question: In my net meter is showing the following:
Company = Duke Energy State=Florida
First, a bunch of numbers ( I know this one from your video)
Then, it says no sync
Then shows the code 00 = 4038 arrow pointing from right to left ( production send to the grid) I GUESS
Then end with code 01 = 1780 arrow pointing from right to left ( production send to the grid) I GUESS
Can you educate me on the subject?
you are awesome , great accent
literally showed me everyting i needed and + more. ide give you two thumbs up but youtube only limits it to one :(
thanks for clarifying for me,
btw like you coffee from Guatemala, i live near Antigua ;)
I can't believe how many people on TH-cam actually are near places where I get coffee from. That's so cool!
Just had a Powerwall battery and separate grid tied PV panels installed in SCE territory - exactly the video I needed to understand my meter. I’ve also spent some time with the SCE power rates. Looks like the PV and battery goal should be to minimize your use of peak power (and maybe mid- and off-peak) but not to put net power on the grid (as measured monthly or annually, not daily). SCE will only reimburse you at about 1/4 to 1/3 their peak rate, which is even less than their off-peak rate.
Yes, the best way to do it is not to generate power for SCE but to displace your own usage. It's a bit like playing black jack. You want capacity up to your usage, but anything over is too much. We bought an electric car and started to nerd out on this as a result.
I took another look at the SCE winter rates and realized it was more expensive to charge on off-peak and discharge on mid-peak than it was to just use the grid for mid-peak. There’s only about a 3% different between mid-peak and off-peak rates. So at 90% round trip efficiency the Powerwall ends up costing more. I also calculated that to get the equivalent of 54 discharges annually for SGIP I needed about 2 kWh of discharge daily. No problem, I exceed that during on-peak alone. So my strategy now is to tweak the battery reserves so that discharge stops just after on-peak ends. Then of course recharge on off-peak. This meets the SGIP program goals, minimizes my costs, prolongs Powerwall life by reducing discharges, and gives me a larger emergency reserve. I’ll have to tweak it periodically as consumption changes over time. I’ll also need to see if this works in summer.
What is the button for?
What does up arrow mean?
What is code 002? And how is it different from code 0071?
Are both the code 001 and 071 independent of one another?
Or in other words, for example, is 001 (consumption) net of production (071)?
You mean it's been 2 YEARS and they STILL didn't try to answer your question??? Good Grief!!!!!!
This explains why they switched everybody to digital. I’m sure we are all going to have solar panels eventually.
NOT THE METER BUT THE READING ON THE SOLAR PANEL THAT IS BACK OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK. SO HOW DO WE READ OURS ON OUR MOBILE HOMES?
If you have a grid tie and inverter and solar panels&batteries, can you send back electricity to the power grid if you have a standard smart meter that everyone else has, or does it have to be a specific kind of smart meter?
My understanding is that the smart meter is all you need, mine doesn't appear to be anything special, but you might need a software update on the meter to support the additional record keeping.
The same meter can be used, but most will to be reprogrammed to read and register recieved and delivered. Some companies just change the meter and program the new one.
Best video.. Thank you
Glad you liked it
Any insight on what PLD 232 means? Our meter was displaying PLD 252 earlier during the day, but now in the evening it's showing PLD 232.
I have the same thing and talked to SCE. It is the code for 15 min. interval readings while 252 is for 1 hour interval readings for residential properties/accounts.
I have 3 meters which one am I suppose to read to get the correct readings you show in you video?
It depends on how they are arranged. If they are in a series configuration then the last one before the street. If they are in parallel then you have to read each one and add up the result.
My PLD is 232 and I am with SCE with solar panels. Your PLD is 252. Do you know the difference between these 2 codes? Thanks
232 is the code for 15 min. interval readings while 252 is for 1 hour interval readings for residential properties/accounts.
It was 'difficult' to find this particular video on youtube. All of the others did not cover the readings, and what they mean. They were mostly about the radiation coming from the meters. I needed to know what the smart meter was saying because the readout on my 6000W Sonny Boy stopped having an LED readout years ago, and I neglected to repair it. It is the same Sonny Boy as the one in your video. I have the manual but it does not specifically indicate that the LED panel is 'fused'. Removal of the cover is no big deal if all of the circuit breakers are off. I plan to clean the fans shortly and will be removing them. Any advice on this on the LED issue would be appreciated. Some are being sold on EBay. If the LED readout panel is obsolete, not replaceable, is there any way to broadcast the LED readings to my computer? I have 39 PV panels facing south, installed in 2008.Thank you for your great youtube video.
I would guess that you can probably use the same wireless connection that the power companies use? I've never tried that. My inverter has a specific wireless component that you can add to read it via Bluetooth, but I've never tried with the power company's meter.
Hi, and thanks... I'm trying to understand the cumulative value... When does it accumulate from and when does it reset?
That's a good question. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it seems to be related to messing with the meter, not a date or time. Likely it is cumulative since the meter was installed since the current owner of the house had only lived in the house a short amount of time. Even without being resettable it is useful because you can write down the cumulative usage/generation at a given point in time and then subtract that from a point in the future if you want a subset of time.
Units of energy (work done over time) are kilowatt hours. Units of power (instantaneous intensity or force) are kilowatts. Code 082 is an example of an instantaneous power value. Both values are important. Energy over time is comparable to the number of gallons of water supplied to a house in one billing period. Instantaneous power is also important because the sum of all users' power requirements at a given time corresponds to the load imposed upon the energy provider (utility). Peak demand determines the maximum power output required of the utility. Annual peak demand will occur only once and will be far higher than the average demand. Probably way more than you asked, but there it is anyway!
@@duaneediger2234 thanks
I have a question regarding SCE, and solar panels. I have yet to get a electric bill, for 9 months on a new tract house, and they keep saying it’s technician issues. I also am unable to see how much I’m using on SCE’a website. Is it possibly my 8 panels are making more electricity than I’m pulling from the grid?
Yes its definitely possible. You electric meter should show a negative flow if that's true. Check in the summer at roughly noon during full light to see the most likely time for this to occur.
i have a question. i had a smart meter installed 2-3 years ago. if i want to go solar, does the meter need to be chaged or can it just be programmed? are all smart meters two way?
If you have a recent meter, then it is likely capable of just being reprogrammed. You will need an inverter as well though. That is like a seperate meter for the solar panels that converts the solar energy and puts it on the grid. It has its own meter on it.
thanks for the quick response just saw some numbers on the meter that indicate it might be from 5/11
waiting to hear from center point energy as well for the interconnection application forms
When you go solar, your smart meter is ready to do net metering. So you do not have to change your meter
Some jurisdictions require a second meter dedicated to recording your solar output.
Hi, I have a CL200 Type C2M meter that has been there for a while. I have a new PV system installed and solar company says that the meter has been changed so I can use my PV system. I feel this is the same as the one I had before. And it only displays the cumulative energy that's been used of 17,420kwh and none of the other number such as cumulative energy produced or instantaneous +/- energy consumption vs generation. Does the meter need to be replaced or just reprogrammed?
It's likely just a programming issue. I'm not sure what options there are for reprogramming though.
It is reprogrammed if the meter is a smart meter with such capabilities other they would replaced the meter!
Is it possible to detect PV panel installations from smart meter electricity consumption data? If we have only consumption data and not installed the net meter.
Well if the meter indicates that power is going out to the grid, PV panels are the most likely explanation,
@@djp3 I don't have the physical locations of the meters, but only have consumption information in kWh/15mins.
Love all that info. Can you pls. Tell me why i have different readings from the solar panel box to the main smart meter. Pg & E smart meters in the middle of a sunny 90° day .. said I was making money @ 3.2
The meter said 1.7. I know the numbers were always the same. Now its all different. There was a time when the pg&e guy came and we got into a argument because he wanted for me to drop my said I couldn't. Call first and make an appointment. Before you just come to my plan and say you need access to there shit. My did pups was doing good trying to protect the yard. She doest identify any kind of uniform.
a video on FAIL scenarios would be good. My last bill shows the power company is charging me FOR what was delivered. Everything looks normal and jives with the numbers Sunrun monitors. Problem is the power company , or something in the system has flipped the equation.
Just a minor correction to an otherwise fine video: the real-time power generation (or consumption) unit is kilowatts, not kilowatt-hours; the former is a *rate* of energy generation or consumption, the latter is an absolute amount of energy measured over time. For example, 1000W is 1000 joules/sec (a rate of energy), but 1000W over the course of an hour, is 1000 Wh, or more commonly specified as 1 kWh. You are billed by kWh.
Any idea what it means if the meter says "no sync" and "no reg"?
nope. :(
How can one tell how much the panels have produced? Like you mention, part of the production is consumed by the running equipments in the house, such as refrigerators, and excess is sent to the grid. This does tell how much is actually produced by the panels. What is the display under the inverter? Thank you for your video. It is informative.
J. Prakash you actually have to look at the inverter not the meter. It depends on the model but almost all of them have a separate display. The inverter should be on the house side on the meter. Mine shows instantaneous power, cumulative power and some weird cumulative CO 2 saved metric.
Are all smart meters 2 way? If I backfeed (w grid tie inverter) will my smart meter work?
Cobra Kai I don’t know if they all are. Mine is but I had it installed at the same time as the solar panels
@@djp3 I like what is done here but the more I see online, the more paranoid I get about backfeeding.
@@cobrakai2872 are u running fine with the grid tie inverter? and did u have to sign up with SCE before doing that?
Only alternating all numbers together and total usage?? Nothing else. Does this mean the panels are not communicating
My Pid is 232 and the odd thing is it seems to be measuring correct the amount of electricity I am pushing to the grid but, when I am consuming my own and charging my batteries, it seems it is indicating that I am consuming that from the grid ( the arrow points to the right) while my system says it is using the solar. My electric bill comes super high and this started to happen recently, it is as if they are charging me for the electricity I am producing.
My electricity bill went through the roof recently also (no pun intended) and I have a dispute with SCE to understand what's up. That might be related.
If that problem isn't related though your house might need more than what your panels are producing and so you still need to take some from the grid. That would explain why you still seem to be using electricity even during the sunny times. It should be less than what you would use without panels though. SCE pays much less for electricity than it charges you. That's well advertised by them.
232 is the code for 15 min. interval readings while 252 is for 1 hour interval readings for residential properties/accounts.
sweet was worried I would need to upgrade my meter to a bi directional due to solar installation but I guess its already bi directional 🤔
Thank you, I appreciate it.
You're welcome!
Had permission to turn on from SCE a week ago. My meter is still PLD 151 and my usage online goes to 0 when solar is generating but not showing anything going back to the grid
Just read this and thought, wow that's exactly what's happening to me. Then I realized it who the author was
My meter reads old 232 instead of old 252. What does 232 mean?
Not sure. :(
I meant pld 232
Any idea why my PLD code is 232 rather than 252 shown in your tutorial video? Plus your video is easy to follow and very helpful.
Would love an answer to this mine to
I have the same thing and talked to SCE. It is the code for 15 min. interval readings while 252 is for 1 hour interval readings for residential properties/accounts.
@@veridicusmaximus6010 thanks very much. With SCE I can never be too sure they aren’t cheating me in some manner. After waiting to talk to them for 55 minutes I usually give up. They, as a monopoly don’t care about customer relations.
Understanding and reading a smart meter is nice but doesn't provide enough information to accurately determine a monthly usage (consumption/production). I purchased the Emporia smart home energy monitoring system. I then downloaded an SCE usage CVS file from their website and compared it to my Emporia monitoring file. I compared a single day down to the hour and found that SCE is crediting me 30 to 45% less in KWH then what my actual production is. Has anyone else experienced a similar situation?
SCE doesn't reimburse at the rates that you pay for electricity
didn't Con Ed claim that we can these meters can be read online in our Dashboard page or something?
Small Correction needed, At various times you mean the draw is being displayed and you say kilowatt hours, "draw" or more precisely power, also called "demand ", is measured in kilowatts not kilowatt hours. KW is a measure of power, kWh is a measure of energy.
Thanks for helping me get the details right!
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I WANT TO LEARN TO HACK SMART METERS TO CUT DOWN ON MY POWER BILLS
You REALLY NEED to bring the volume down on your intro!
I almost left because of it. Seriously.
Yeah sorry... No sound engineer on staff
That's about the most obnoxious intro I've ever heard
I aim to please. :)
Co2 saved 395281 LOL.. what a bunch of crap.
Why is that crap?