The HP isnt that bad imo. After all, I managed to 0 cycle both sides with e6s5 acheron, e6s5 Jiaoqiu, e6s5 Sparkle and e6s5 aventurine. On second side though i used the good old reliable e6s5 THE Herta team(I have her prereleased. Hoyo gave it to me.). If anything i think the enemies were easy, they should add more hp to them. :>
I genuinely have no problems with high hp if they make it like the monkey troupe boss, or the leaked 3.0 boss, because they at least has mechanics that helps you get the damage out. Svarog literally doesn’t have shit, he’s just a wall that sometimes obstructs your rotations with his delays or robot arm, it’s not fun.
i compared the first side of last moc12 to this one, considering its the same enemies just with slightly different elites the total for first side last patch (svarog) was 3770905 hp the total for first side this patch (svarog) is 5865850 hp that is a 55%+ INCREASE
@@tabletennisstars1227 at least amphoreus looks to be good. at this point ill just pull for units i like because meta is getting boring now anyway, i just wanna enjoy the story above all else
I won with 19 cycles left on the action bar thingy (basically counts as 20) and i didnt even kill it myself. Some random DoT killed it last second when the enemy had a turn and my team's turns were up LMAOO im so cooked for 3.0
I was so excited for this MOC! The trotter death gimmick is made for Seele, she's finally going to shine!!! *Seele proceeds to spend 2 skills and a basic to finally kill the trotter with Sunday and Robin*
the first time in forever, I just straight up gave up on Floor 12. My Acheron cant clear it, my Feixiao cant clear it and I cant even get to the 2nd side because Aventurine is STILL BUGGED AND NOT GIVING AS MUCH SHIELD AS HE'S SUPPOSED TO
18 cycles left on MOC 12. I'll just leave it at that, the HP inflation is just crazy, no matter what DPS I used. I feel I just skip it at this point to keep my sanity.
@@sandyaahmadher9488 bro those stings keep multiplying if u dont kill em fast u cant even get trotters for moc buff , without an AOE character like rappa or the new herta its really hard to kill the newly spawned stings (that also have a ton of hp) so yeah the sting boss is a counter to moc buff
@@aymenlahmar5718I used selee against cockroaches bruh, e0s1 selee, e0s1 Sunday, pela and e0s1 aventurine almost 4 cycles (2 HP moment). I mean, yeah, if you're fully single target you're ultrascrewed since you can't play around trotters, but I think most blast dps can do a decent job.
@@mirei9225 dude and the worst thing is if there are trotters right beside the boss and it summons new stings those stings come in between the trotters and the boss pushing them to the sides , so even if u have blast dmg characters they still wouldn't hit the trotters anyway 💀 (my firefly kept struggling even with fugue's AOE ult she couldn't kill those trotters by herself bc they have massive hp) , the moc HP inflation is getting out of hand literally giving sumeru's abyss flashbacks
@@yengereng9962 bet; only equippable on Preservation, if equippable on Hunt, releases another power creep character on steroids that completely makes her redundant
When I see my Feixiao taking more than 2 cycles, I knew something is wrong. Each enemies have 1 million hp and me being a hunt main means can't use the trotter buff much. Still cleared with 8 cycles overall with all hunt dps but it's going to get worse from here.
I genuinely get bored of the bosses and enemies in this game especially MoC.There’s nothing unique to bosses and just difficultly from hp inflation.Reverse 1999 does a great job on no hp inflation and a bunch of unique mechanics from bosses,enemies and endgame buffs.You can clear comfortably with 1.0 characters still and 5 stars (Basically 4 stars in hsr) are very useful and their relatively easy to get than 6 stars (5 stars in hsr) There’s not a single time have i got bored of endgame in reverse.Cause you have to understand mechanics rather then hp inflation and brute force
Bluepoch also knows how to tell a good story. Hoyo couldn't competently write a story without jargon or needing to read outside sources to save their lives.
It should be "I'm dropping this game *sometime* soon" or even just "I'm dropping this game soon." In English, you would use 'anytime' if you were saying "I'm *not* dropping this game anytime soon." Edit: Your EN is very good tho, especially for a non-native speaker.
@@tabletennisstars1227 bruv's a Portuguese speaker. Non-learners won't understand this and might think it's rude, but when you're trying to learn and improve in another language you want to be corrected. Learning grammar is trial and error, and you can't get that without feedback.
You need AoE to kill trotters, that's the gimmick this time. Feixiao's team is single-target, so it's not good for this gimmick. I tried and she couldn't brute force it this time
It also took me 6 cycles. I used FF, RM, Fugue, HMC for phase 1 which took 1 cycle and Acheron, SW, Aventurine, Pela for phase 2 which took 5 cycles. I was hoping to 0 cycle the 1st phase like in the previous MOC but Svarog had way too much HP this time around. HP inflation is getting out of hand they need to stop 😭
@@artumboyou know, you just nailed what feels wromg about all this. You work to build, pull, synergize, and then just spat in your hand for all your effort.
Idk I think this MoC is good because strategy is more important than just blasting hp at opponents. Sure it’s harder clear in few cycles but if you’re playing well to kill two trotters every cycle then even weaker teams can clear within 10 cycles
@@AllantheBobyep this MoC is more strategy by knowing how to manage boss hp and trotters, I also notice that after like trying it 5 times, if you manage to reduce both boss hp equally you can kill them by killing trotters, at first was hard but trying it many times you can get the strategy to do it and thats how turn base should be with strategies. Pd: I manage to do it with Feixiao + March team in first round (yeah many will say ohh a meta team) but I did the second round with JingYuan old team (no Sunday)
and mine worst, 7-8 cycle lol. didn't got lc for feixiao and robin. same with try change with firefly also got alot of cycles like feixiao eventhough i keep hunt that trotters
So about the aven shield...the reason it still bugged is cuz (it maybe wrong) aven is giving the max shield to an empty slot, which is going to our memosprite from 3.0. They might have updated him 1 patch early but it should get fixed once 3.0 comes (again this is what my sibling told me, i need someone to validate this)
@@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi When aven does his follow up, it gives a max shield to the one who has the lowest...right now everyone is getting equal shield. Thats the bug
Managed to clear it with 21 cycles left using Firefly, HMC, E1 Ruan Mei, and Gallagher on 1st and E0S1 Jingliu, E0S1 Sunday, Pela, and Huo Huo on 2nd half It was nice being able to use Jingliu again cos I love her sm
@yafito2 yup, I also try hitting the boss so I still do some damage to it. Helps that Jingliu is strong enough to kill the trotter and the minion to apply vulnerability
Am I tripping or your voice suddenly sounds better? Anyway, 10 cycles here. Acheron/BS/Pela/FuXuan and Firefly/HMC/RuanMei/Linghsa. And I do have some Signature LC's. HSR is cooked.
They probably did this before the 3.x dps come around so they don't have to catch up. When Acheron first release the hp is still around the 1.x range so she practically can on shot every stage that patch
I‘m kinda new to the whole endgame content thing because I haven‘t seriously played until recently and I just wanna say that the way you explain everything you do in the video really gives a lot of insight as to WHY it‘s better to do one thing over the other, which is really helpful! Also your voice is very calming :D
There is no pvp in this game so they must do something to sell new characters, try others turn base gacha games and you will notice they focus more pvp than pve then you will know what real less f2p friendly means, when pvp meta change every week and every new contents are for pvp.
@@enrique9773 in genshin I still can clear hardest content without a problem but here I can't even reach last floor. It wasn't always like this and genshin also doesn't have pvp...
honestly quite impressed by ur e0 acheron considering i have an 6s2 and thought pela would suffice but lacking a jiaoqiu really hurts her to the point where i havent even considered her for moc or other content right now
I love the older characters so I have e2 kafka and black swan. This moc showed me just how much dot needs a buff. Though not bad, it took 4 cycles to take down svarog with 2 invested and fully built e2 characters......
just the thought of not pulling for the early 3.x banners (herta, aglaea, mydei, tribbie, etc.) is scary for my account knowing how we're still in 2.7 coming in to 3.0 and the hp inflation is already this much.
So glad it wasnt just me that struggled. Used e0s1 acheron first half and e0s0 firefly second half but played with auto on the second half for a little cuz i got lazy. BUT OH MY GOSH, I turned auto off toward the end and accidentally basic attacked when the boss was at 1hp with 19 cycles and what killed it was some random DoT i dont even know where it came from but if it didnt happen i wouldnt have been able to fully clear 😂
omg i love how our accounts are pretty similar! ive been brute forcing with rappa and acheron too since i just made an alt and kinda made it my main since my old one was power crept OML
@@windowcattall the same for me besides having luocha LOL. I even have Blade’s lc. They need to buff this dude, atp a dedicated support isn’t enough, his multipliers are the issue.
@frgal1336 definitely, even if they release hp support in 3.0 I think he will get powercrept again, twice. Nothing can save him from his low multipliers with this amount of powercreep lol, I wish they could though somwhow bc I love using my Blade I also have Black Swan with her LC bc I love DOT and when I am about to get Kafka, DOT was already powercrept. Feels bad man, my account feels so bad
Couldn't use my feixiao (w/ full premium team) at all, 80k minimum every turn on the elites and that hp bar was NOT moving, ended up clearing with Jingyuan/Acheron and 3 cycles left 😭
With the Aven bug my blackswan keeps dying on Archeron side of my team, Svarog hates her I swear. I can 1 cycle the other side with my no-sustain Rappa premium team
That first phase is soo painful without Acheron my feixiao is doing no damage to those bosses and can’t kill the trotters without wasting her turn. Why did they make this moc aoe focused it feels miserable using a single target dps here
I hope they dial down on the hp inflation and instead make a new boss mechanic thingy that would make things different instead of trying to smack a wall with an axe instead of a mace with how much hp they have
First time I got a full clear! Used the same team as you for the first side, and a FF break team for the second side. Haven't got Fugue, I doubt I'll be able to by the end of the banner but I'll try. It came down to the wire, being almost at the end of the last cycle, though.
I 9 cycled side one with my Firefly team... everyone has proper stats, max traces, proper LCs. e0s1 Lingsha too, not Gallagher. And 1 cycled side 2 with my e2 Acheron. Haven't had any success with Firefly lately she's just completely fallen off on my account. Currently pulling for e1 Fugue hoping it will help.
I did fine with boothill first half (fugue, ruan mei, sunday) even though he is a hunt unit. The trotters gave easy stacks for a 400k - 1 mil break depending if I can break both toughness bars at the same time. The problem is 2nd half my dhil team it took so long and kept dieing. Managed to 3 star but that's because boothill cleared in 1.
Still able to beat the fight ,4 cycle with JingYuan, Sunday, Robin and HuoHuo while with Arheron team i 5 cycled it with the good old Arheron, Sliver Wolf, Aventurine and Pela. I can't believe JingYuan is actually helping me more than he was in 1.0
Since I got Fugue my FF team is so strong, last MOC I totaled only 4 cycles with Firefly and Acheron but now with the same team it took me back to 6 cycles again. What will happen in 3.X..
@@theoDSP I am somewhat a tryhard bc there is nothing else to do in the game and my FF last MOC managed to 4 cycles, but fugue made her able to only 1 cycle. Now she took 3 cycles with Fugue, after optimizations and rng she did it in 2 cycles though. Acheron side is 3 cycles, the dead bugs gave lots of free debuffs though.
Somehow got 24 cycles left. Team 1: Kafka, Black Swan, Robin, Lingsha Team 2: Firefly, Fugue, Hmc, Ruanmei Ngl I’m just happy I was able to use dot for a moc, it’s been a while since I done so.
I actually made several mistakes during the swarm boss since I just woke up and still half asleep. then there's svarog only attacking my acheron who was at red hp despite my 4.3k def w/ 4 pc knight relic aventurine spamming fua and skill likely due to the still unfixed bug, but at the end of the day my f2p ahh still first tried this moc. node 1: acheron, jiaoqiu, aventurine, pela node 2: firefly, fugue, ruan mei, gallagher
1 cycle first with fugue, e1s1 ff, hmc, ruan and 3 cycle 2nd with JL, e0s1 sunday, e1s0 robin, huohuo. as expected its not much of a problem considering how careful i've been in investing my f2p resources biased towards supports rather than dpses. this result strengthen my decision to skip 3.0 and perhaps even 3,1 to wait a bit more considering i can still comfortably deals with endgame content. when i can't then i'll pull.
Barely got 12 done today. MoFo Svarog was a tank. I really NEED to get Black Swan’s E1 sometime or else my Acheron ain’t going to deal damage at this point. Finally got 80 pulls but I’ll save it for collab. Need 160 to guarantee a character. I believe my luck will be bad as always.
i manage to clear this moc with dots premium team for the first part which cost 4 cycles, and ratio premium team for the second part which cost 6 cycles. good thing the dots keep killing the trotters so i could focus on the main enemy :D
i agree on the crazy hp pools rn,,, i get through it but they are reeeally pushing it at this point. btw who are you excited for in 3.0+? were there any charas that caught your eye in the trailers?
First half dot in 5 cycles but felt pretty good, second half tried to use better dan heng but like terrible experience even with pela sunday. 15 cycles left and i'm depressed. Second half genuinely feels like its impossible without having rappa or other break team .
@RenEmi-x6r i use sparkle and gallagher with him, my FuA has the E1 Robin, hence the 2.5 clears. I say 2.5 because it's almost the end of the cycle when I cleared it, plus E3 and E4 does not really do much for DHIL unlike newer units eidolons
I was already struggling with the previous moc, now im thinking im gonna be screwed this time around. Might actually be time i finally pull a limited sustain because I've been barely hanging on
perfect cleared MOC 12 at three stars. But it took a long time for my Feixao dual dps to defeat Svarog. Fortunately, Rappa and Fugue trashed True Sting real fast.
@@Tia-ux5lt his talent bingo doesn't proc correctly, it does refresh the shield for all allies but the "double the amount refreshed for the one with the least amount of shield" part doesn't work apparently, the bug's details are mentioned in the game optimization news
For some reason I first try it with Acheron jiaoqiu pela huohuo first half in 3 cycles then 4 cycles second half with rappa without fugue too. Rappa side was pretty fun lol
6 Cycled Side 1 with DoT(Kafka/BS/RM/Fu Xuan)... (Seriously, Svarog has BOTH Electric and Wind weakness but my DoTs were dealing zero damage), and 2 cycled Side 2 with E0S1 Rappa + E1 Fugue
how do you think the herta will hold up in moc where there isn’t like alot of enemies on the field also do you think she needs the enemy to have ice weakness to be good
E2S1 Acheron first half. E0 firefly 2nd half. 19 cycles remaining. I tried rng'ing for 27 cycles left on acheron side but couldn't seem to go from 26 to 27. Maybe if I had jiaoqiu she could have carried hard enough.
I do agree with it for the first time in a while E6S2 ache with her team(JQE0S1 sparkleE0S5 DDD and gallagherE6) 1cycle and well my hertaE6 herta with JYlc did better than my JLE0S1 with robinE0S1 bronyaE2S1 aventE0geppy LC but i do understand it the totter buff deal very big dmg so the HP increased is justified in ny opinion
It’s really bad… But I somehow managed to do it with E2S1 Feixiao, E0S5 Fermata Kafka, E0S1 BS, E1S0 Huo Huo By Side 2:E6S2 Acheron (my only maxed limited five star), E0S0 Fugue, E2S0 Himeko, E0S1 Aventurine. Just barely, and down to the last attack…I guess I suffer from skill issue to only just do it.
Brother my rappa E0S1 Cleared with Mc E6 and E0 fugue and E3 gallagher and my fugue and gallgher are not even close to well build and I got everything clear with no problem
@@Condensed_rock Idk it might be. I ran E0S0 Firefly w Gallagher n E0S0 Rm and HMC, as well as Rappa E0S0 Aventurine Pela and E0S1 Fugue and I had 2 cycles to spare
i got 22 cycles left on this one but i had e2 ff ruan mei hmc and galager and acheron aventurine pela jiaoqiu. and i felt kinda carried by the trotters big pp daamage
in my opinion you can abuse acheron ult in node 2 idk why player is not using it it literally free 3 stacks every spawn of mini swarm i always do it when i see a swarm boss in moc
Hey artumbo have a question ? I use the same team as you in first half with same builds and lightcones conly thing different is you use jiaqiou signature LC But your Acheron does 800k dmg while mine does 450k or sometimes 600k whats the problem here My acheron has 3.4k atk , 70/202 crit rate ratio , 46% lightning dmg please tell me what i am doing wrong here
@artumbo Pela has resultion shines bright s5 , Jiaqiou has s5 solitary healing , and aventurine has s2 topaz LC which applies dot on hit On of my friend tried moc on my account and he managed to do 740k with Acheron I think I have skill issue
@@CyberGamerz01 i think there might have just been more enemies on the field, don't worry about it too much im sure she'll hit the numbers you want soon! :)
I know it is end game content, but yea, the hp is a lil high lol im not quite a whale, but i do spend a fair bit and even i had a lil trouble in the second half ended up running my acheron team first half and then F.A.R.T on the second half
I got 3 cycles first side with E0S0 Jing Yuan + E0S1 Sunday + E1S1 Robin + E0S0 HuoHuo and 4 cycles second side with E0S1 Acheron + Jiao E0S0 + Pela + Fu Xuan. I could feel the HP inflation a lot this cycle they need to slow down 😭
agreed, the hp inlfation is getting strong. Still managed to clear it, but this is the fattest Svarog I've fought so far. first side: E0 S1 team Feixiao, second side E1 S1 Rappa team.
This MoC made me realise why they never release DoT units anymore cause those 2 old ladies and their NOT DEDICATED supports destroy the first half of this
i cleared with 22 cycles left using kafka/BS/ruan mei/huohuo and rappa/fugue/HMC/gallagher at this point idc how many cycles it takes the clear as long as i get my 3 stars
Meanwhile me with e0s1 Acheron, e0s0 jiaqiou, e6s5 pela , e0s0 aventurine in firs side with 4 cycles and dhil e0s1 , Sunday e0s1 , sparkle e0s0 , fu xuan e0s0 with 6 cycles barely managed to clear it
I don't have lightning or wind dps and my fire dps is himeko, so yeah i should really go for more elements and stop focusing on supports ...(Not stopping me from going for mydei even though i have DHIL xD), either way this moc 12 is a skip for me
F2P here. I managed to 10-cycle on my first try (could've 9-cycled but we don't talk about 1% HP) For the 1st half, I used Feixiao, Aven, Robin and HM7. Took 4 cycles. For the 2nd half, I used Jingliu, Huohuo, Sunday and RM. Took 6 cycles. Was there HP inflation? Definitely. I redid the last MoC before it changed yesterday and there was definitely a difference. Maybe the reason that they're more tanky is bcuz of the Trotters.
2nd try: For the first half, I used Kafka, Huohuo, RM and Black Swan in the first half. Took 4 cycles. For the second half, I used the same Feixiao team. Took 3 cycles.
My advice is to think carefully on which target to hit, the boss or the Trotters? E.g.: Should I use my HM7's ult to hit the boss or try to kill the Trotter with it? P.S. THE SUMMONED BUGS ARE SO ANNOYING BCUZ THEY PREVENT THE TROTTERS FROM SPAWNING. GOOD LUCK
I have the same teams but weaker on alt. Main prolly will do Jy and Yunli.... That's gonna be a nightmare if even you are saying it's bad. (Also yeah they need to calm down. I'm not gonna pressure myself into full clearing but hopefully I can still 35/36 on both accounts)
Not really. Challenged myself today by using DoT (kafka swan without sig and eidolons) on the first half and acheron (off-element, w/o jiao and only 1 nihility) on second half and cleared with 21 cycles left…
Might drop this game for wuthering waves if its even worse in 3.0 i wanna actually use my characters not feel forced to pull a character i might not even like but because meta
how did you do this time around? i feel like my account is getting weaker 😭
Same. They need to relax with the powercreep and HP inflation or f2ps just can't survive anymore 😅
e2 firefly break first side e0 rappa break second, probably wouldnt have got it with e0 ff
@@ely_skye hopefully they slow down in 3.x 🙏
@@korosensei329 damn what supports did you give each of them?
20 cycles remaining with e0s0 acheron side 1 and e2s1 firefly side 2. barely scraping by, just how i like it.
The HP isnt that bad imo. After all, I managed to 0 cycle both sides with e6s5 acheron, e6s5 Jiaoqiu, e6s5 Sparkle and e6s5 aventurine. On second side though i used the good old reliable e6s5 THE Herta team(I have her prereleased. Hoyo gave it to me.). If anything i think the enemies were easy, they should add more hp to them. :>
no joke this is the youtube auto generated response:
"I think they need to give us more HP, I'm already on auto mode and just chilling right now 😭"
keep dreaming bro its free
You are joking right right?
Reading this almost convinced me it's easy!!!!! Hoyo reaaly need to give us more 200 pulls per patch.
Same, I think it was too easy. I managed to -2 cycles with E11 Acheron and E9 Castorice
I saw ice weakness and got excited to use my jingliu again !
(it did not go well😭)
noooooo
same case with me, my feixiao did a lot better even without element weakness 😢
Supports?
my e0 s0 jingliu-huo huo-robin-sunday did it with 4cycle .premium team ,it is what it is ...
Same. I saw imaginary weakness and thought I could use DHIL and it also did not go well
I genuinely have no problems with high hp if they make it like the monkey troupe boss, or the leaked 3.0 boss, because they at least has mechanics that helps you get the damage out. Svarog literally doesn’t have shit, he’s just a wall that sometimes obstructs your rotations with his delays or robot arm, it’s not fun.
@@Eclin the swarm is ironically 3 times easier in comparison bcs of that lol
In case not many people notice (because I didn’t notice it until this MoC xD) if svarog is in break state the arm won’t seal/prison your characters
I never really complain about HP Inflation, but damn, this season's MoC is just something else
starting to feel it :')
@@artumbo Grandma Jingliu felt it like Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Tanky? This version of MOC is freakin fortress. Usually i managed to get 1 or 2 star in moc 12. But this moc? I even just barely finished moc 11 😢
@@adriankurniawan194I just used ying yuan team and firefly xd
Rly? Didn’t seem that hard with the trotter gimmick, I had more trouble keeping my team alive than killing the enemy
i compared the first side of last moc12 to this one, considering its the same enemies just with slightly different elites
the total for first side last patch (svarog) was 3770905 hp
the total for first side this patch (svarog) is 5865850 hp
that is a 55%+ INCREASE
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn thats insane ☠️
Nah that's crazy there's no way they did that.
this game is cooked. if the story doesnt get better i might just quit
@@tabletennisstars1227 at least amphoreus looks to be good. at this point ill just pull for units i like because meta is getting boring now anyway, i just wanna enjoy the story above all else
At the very least the trotter turbulence is actually way more impactful but yeah
if i see svarog one more time
thank god he's not a 2 phaser haha
@@iznathan Meanwhile Clara: "Help me Mr Svarog!!"
I went from being able to zero cycle MOC in 2.4 to 9 cycling this one. With the same characters. That's insane.
I won with 19 cycles left on the action bar thingy (basically counts as 20) and i didnt even kill it myself. Some random DoT killed it last second when the enemy had a turn and my team's turns were up LMAOO im so cooked for 3.0
It seems that the devs dont want 0 cycling anymore. If u watch the new boss leaks its kinda impossible for 0 cycling anymore
I was so excited for this MOC! The trotter death gimmick is made for Seele, she's finally going to shine!!!
*Seele proceeds to spend 2 skills and a basic to finally kill the trotter with Sunday and Robin*
User error.
Yeahhh... that's a build issue.
the first time in forever, I just straight up gave up on Floor 12. My Acheron cant clear it, my Feixiao cant clear it and I cant even get to the 2nd side because Aventurine is STILL BUGGED AND NOT GIVING AS MUCH SHIELD AS HE'S SUPPOSED TO
Also my Acheron is an attack magnet while Aventurine is at full hp, love the targetting
Struggled too, using the same main DPS but managed to clear it with a bit of help with RNG
18 cycles left on MOC 12. I'll just leave it at that, the HP inflation is just crazy, no matter what DPS I used. I feel I just skip it at this point to keep my sanity.
Well if you invested well it's not that big of a deal. Even as a F2p
You just have to play around the moc buff. We have 2 free damage trotter which equal to free 400k damage (without enemy def reduction).
@@sandyaahmadher9488 bro those stings keep multiplying if u dont kill em fast u cant even get trotters for moc buff , without an AOE character like rappa or the new herta its really hard to kill the newly spawned stings (that also have a ton of hp) so yeah the sting boss is a counter to moc buff
@@aymenlahmar5718I used selee against cockroaches bruh, e0s1 selee, e0s1 Sunday, pela and e0s1 aventurine almost 4 cycles (2 HP moment).
I mean, yeah, if you're fully single target you're ultrascrewed since you can't play around trotters, but I think most blast dps can do a decent job.
@@mirei9225 dude and the worst thing is if there are trotters right beside the boss and it summons new stings those stings come in between the trotters and the boss pushing them to the sides , so even if u have blast dmg characters they still wouldn't hit the trotters anyway 💀 (my firefly kept struggling even with fugue's AOE ult she couldn't kill those trotters by herself bc they have massive hp) , the moc HP inflation is getting out of hand literally giving sumeru's abyss flashbacks
Line go up is supposed to be with money, not hp. Just... sell skins, the tried and true model is RIGHT THERE
surely they start making skins after 2 years
They're selling skins as new characters in this game, case in point: Cooler Daniel, Necro Tingyun, Herta² and Yunli
WE NEED UNJESUS-FIED SUNDAY AS A SKIN FOR FUCKS SAKE
i believe theres a march skin coming next patch, so theres that
@@yengereng9962 bet; only equippable on Preservation, if equippable on Hunt, releases another power creep character on steroids that completely makes her redundant
When I see my Feixiao taking more than 2 cycles, I knew something is wrong. Each enemies have 1 million hp and me being a hunt main means can't use the trotter buff much. Still cleared with 8 cycles overall with all hunt dps but it's going to get worse from here.
Oh its gonna get worse all right seeing the enemy lineups from patch 3.0....
But 8 cycle clear is already more than enough though
@@barpeot7966this community has a 0 cycle or nothing mentality and idk why lol
@@luizlopes6574ong, we're just happy to be able to clear MoC 12
Yeah, I cleared it with 10 cycles autoplay though. I didn't bother playing manually this time. Took me 10 minutes.
I genuinely get bored of the bosses and enemies in this game especially MoC.There’s nothing unique to bosses and just difficultly from hp inflation.Reverse 1999 does a great job on no hp inflation and a bunch of unique mechanics from bosses,enemies and endgame buffs.You can clear comfortably with 1.0 characters still and 5 stars (Basically 4 stars in hsr) are very useful and their relatively easy to get than 6 stars (5 stars in hsr)
There’s not a single time have i got bored of endgame in reverse.Cause you have to understand mechanics rather then hp inflation and brute force
Reverse 1999 is such a shit game though
Bluepoch also knows how to tell a good story. Hoyo couldn't competently write a story without jargon or needing to read outside sources to save their lives.
@@ariamachiLoud incorrect buzzer
Then why still playing and watching Star Rail contents if you already found a better game?
9 cycles with Feixiao and Rappa. Yeah im dropping this game anytime soon, i just cant anymore.
It should be "I'm dropping this game *sometime* soon" or even just "I'm dropping this game soon."
In English, you would use 'anytime' if you were saying "I'm *not* dropping this game anytime soon."
Edit: Your EN is very good tho, especially for a non-native speaker.
@@Darkclowd bro
@@tabletennisstars1227 bruv's a Portuguese speaker. Non-learners won't understand this and might think it's rude, but when you're trying to learn and improve in another language you want to be corrected. Learning grammar is trial and error, and you can't get that without feedback.
You need AoE to kill trotters, that's the gimmick this time. Feixiao's team is single-target, so it's not good for this gimmick. I tried and she couldn't brute force it this time
@@Darkclowdblud
2.3M HP Savrog then he went down to 1.8M then back up to 2.3M, The Elites though are a lil too tanky
It's the wolf. His hp bar barely moves
what makes svarog annoying to fight is that his hand also get a lot tankier , and his push back / grab can be frustrating
It also took me 6 cycles. I used FF, RM, Fugue, HMC for phase 1 which took 1 cycle and Acheron, SW, Aventurine, Pela for phase 2 which took 5 cycles. I was hoping to 0 cycle the 1st phase like in the previous MOC but Svarog had way too much HP this time around. HP inflation is getting out of hand they need to stop 😭
it's odd cause it we should be getting easier over time and we even have fugue now but it somehow feels worse
@@artumboyou know, you just nailed what feels wromg about all this. You work to build, pull, synergize, and then just spat in your hand for all your effort.
Idk I think this MoC is good because strategy is more important than just blasting hp at opponents. Sure it’s harder clear in few cycles but if you’re playing well to kill two trotters every cycle then even weaker teams can clear within 10 cycles
@@AllantheBobyep this MoC is more strategy by knowing how to manage boss hp and trotters, I also notice that after like trying it 5 times, if you manage to reduce both boss hp equally you can kill them by killing trotters, at first was hard but trying it many times you can get the strategy to do it and thats how turn base should be with strategies.
Pd: I manage to do it with Feixiao + March team in first round (yeah many will say ohh a meta team) but I did the second round with JingYuan old team (no Sunday)
went from 24 cycles to 22 cycles this MOC.
E2 Ache + FF
Holy moly the HP inflation is crazy.
5 cycles with Feixiao on first half, 1 cycle with Rappa on second
HP inflation is real
Bro how bad is your feixiao for 5 cycles💀 Mine is e0s0 and took 2
137SPD 100/120 E0S1 (Supports are E0S0 Robin [Event LC | 120 SPD | 4k ATK], E6S4 March [BP LC | 100/130 | 133SPD], E1S1 Huohuo [160SPD | 5.5k HP])
You do realize killing the trotters reduce 20% of every enemy's hp right?
@@sakuseihuoshen Yep, still five cycles 😔
and mine worst, 7-8 cycle lol. didn't got lc for feixiao and robin. same with try change with firefly also got alot of cycles like feixiao eventhough i keep hunt that trotters
So about the aven shield...the reason it still bugged is cuz (it maybe wrong) aven is giving the max shield to an empty slot, which is going to our memosprite from 3.0. They might have updated him 1 patch early but it should get fixed once 3.0 comes (again this is what my sibling told me, i need someone to validate this)
What's the bug exactly?
@@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi When aven does his follow up, it gives a max shield to the one who has the lowest...right now everyone is getting equal shield. Thats the bug
Managed to clear it with 21 cycles left using Firefly, HMC, E1 Ruan Mei, and Gallagher on 1st and E0S1 Jingliu, E0S1 Sunday, Pela, and Huo Huo on 2nd half
It was nice being able to use Jingliu again cos I love her sm
right? Jingliu is fine actualy in this 12 moc. just gotta focus on the trotter, right?
@yafito2 yup, I also try hitting the boss so I still do some damage to it. Helps that Jingliu is strong enough to kill the trotter and the minion to apply vulnerability
I used my Acheron in the first half as well and her ult was literally tickling Svarog 😭The trotters did like 80% of the damage
Am I tripping or your voice suddenly sounds better?
Anyway, 10 cycles here. Acheron/BS/Pela/FuXuan and Firefly/HMC/RuanMei/Linghsa.
And I do have some Signature LC's. HSR is cooked.
They probably did this before the 3.x dps come around so they don't have to catch up. When Acheron first release the hp is still around the 1.x range so she practically can on shot every stage that patch
I‘m kinda new to the whole endgame content thing because I haven‘t seriously played until recently and I just wanna say that the way you explain everything you do in the video really gives a lot of insight as to WHY it‘s better to do one thing over the other, which is really helpful! Also your voice is very calming :D
To be honest, The Swarm Bug Boss is harder than Svarog.
Just another Trotter Rail event
I don't have much trouble with svarog, the bug enemy no matter what game mode it's in always makes me hate it.
its harder with the wrong lineup
This game is getting less and less friendly to F2P, I'm close to dropping it.
No better time to drop it than now tbh.
There is no pvp in this game so they must do something to sell new characters, try others turn base gacha games and you will notice they focus more pvp than pve then you will know what real less f2p friendly means, when pvp meta change every week and every new contents are for pvp.
@@enrique9773 in genshin I still can clear hardest content without a problem but here I can't even reach last floor. It wasn't always like this and genshin also doesn't have pvp...
@@enrique9773keep glazing
honestly quite impressed by ur e0 acheron considering i have an 6s2 and thought pela would suffice but lacking a jiaoqiu really hurts her to the point where i havent even considered her for moc or other content right now
I love the older characters so I have e2 kafka and black swan. This moc showed me just how much dot needs a buff. Though not bad, it took 4 cycles to take down svarog with 2 invested and fully built e2 characters......
just the thought of not pulling for the early 3.x banners (herta, aglaea, mydei, tribbie, etc.) is scary for my account knowing how we're still in 2.7 coming in to 3.0 and the hp inflation is already this much.
few patches and the v2.0 DPSs that are still strong like feixiao. firefly , rappa, acheron .. will start feeling underwhelming
So glad it wasnt just me that struggled. Used e0s1 acheron first half and e0s0 firefly second half but played with auto on the second half for a little cuz i got lazy. BUT OH MY GOSH, I turned auto off toward the end and accidentally basic attacked when the boss was at 1hp with 19 cycles and what killed it was some random DoT i dont even know where it came from but if it didnt happen i wouldnt have been able to fully clear 😂
I did FART for first half and it surprised me that it took 5 cycles considering my feixiao id pretty good. My JL breezed through the second half.
omg i love how our accounts are pretty similar! ive been brute forcing with rappa and acheron too since i just made an alt and kinda made it my main since my old one was power crept OML
Wish I've done that bc I have Blade, Silver Wolf, DHIL, Luocha all got powercrept amd benched, my jades goes for nothing
@@windowcattall the same for me besides having luocha LOL. I even have Blade’s lc. They need to buff this dude, atp a dedicated support isn’t enough, his multipliers are the issue.
@frgal1336 definitely, even if they release hp support in 3.0 I think he will get powercrept again, twice. Nothing can save him from his low multipliers with this amount of powercreep lol, I wish they could though somwhow bc I love using my Blade
I also have Black Swan with her LC bc I love DOT and when I am about to get Kafka, DOT was already powercrept. Feels bad man, my account feels so bad
Couldn't use my feixiao (w/ full premium team) at all, 80k minimum every turn on the elites and that hp bar was NOT moving, ended up clearing with Jingyuan/Acheron and 3 cycles left 😭
With the Aven bug my blackswan keeps dying on Archeron side of my team, Svarog hates her I swear.
I can 1 cycle the other side with my no-sustain Rappa premium team
That first phase is soo painful without Acheron my feixiao is doing no damage to those bosses and can’t kill the trotters without wasting her turn. Why did they make this moc aoe focused it feels miserable using a single target dps here
Prob bc feixiao dominated everything despite being single target so they wanted to peg her down in the meta
Hsr will be a lot more aoe focused going forward
Because endgame events are just ads for new characters. Its an ad for The Herta.
I hope they dial down on the hp inflation and instead make a new boss mechanic thingy that would make things different instead of trying to smack a wall with an axe instead of a mace with how much hp they have
Happy New Year brother! Hope you're well!
DDD is coming back in 3.0, they announced the full banners in the livestream
The crazy part for me is that my FART team 1-cycled Swarog on previous MoC. Now I barely got 5. I don't know exact hp numbers, but HOLY SHIT
I brute forced the second one with FF, Fugue, RM and Galla. Cleared it with 21 cycles left. DHIL and Jingliu just couldn't do it for me.
First time I got a full clear! Used the same team as you for the first side, and a FF break team for the second side. Haven't got Fugue, I doubt I'll be able to by the end of the banner but I'll try. It came down to the wire, being almost at the end of the last cycle, though.
I 9 cycled side one with my Firefly team... everyone has proper stats, max traces, proper LCs. e0s1 Lingsha too, not Gallagher. And 1 cycled side 2 with my e2 Acheron. Haven't had any success with Firefly lately she's just completely fallen off on my account. Currently pulling for e1 Fugue hoping it will help.
Bro i 5 cycled this with Gallagher on autoplay. Are you sure?
I did fine with boothill first half (fugue, ruan mei, sunday) even though he is a hunt unit. The trotters gave easy stacks for a 400k - 1 mil break depending if I can break both toughness bars at the same time. The problem is 2nd half my dhil team it took so long and kept dieing. Managed to 3 star but that's because boothill cleared in 1.
Jing yuan/sunday eating good on this svarog side
pls fix the aventurine shield hoyo, my feixiao kept dying even when using his skill
Still able to beat the fight ,4 cycle with JingYuan, Sunday, Robin and HuoHuo while with Arheron team i 5 cycled it with the good old Arheron, Sliver Wolf, Aventurine and Pela. I can't believe JingYuan is actually helping me more than he was in 1.0
Since I got Fugue my FF team is so strong, last MOC I totaled only 4 cycles with Firefly and Acheron but now with the same team it took me back to 6 cycles again. What will happen in 3.X..
My FF team use 5 cycles autoplay and Ghalagher. I guess with a manual run I could stretch it to 4 but could not bother.
@@theoDSP I am somewhat a tryhard bc there is nothing else to do in the game and my FF last MOC managed to 4 cycles, but fugue made her able to only 1 cycle.
Now she took 3 cycles with Fugue, after optimizations and rng she did it in 2 cycles though. Acheron side is 3 cycles, the dead bugs gave lots of free debuffs though.
This MoC is brought to you by THE madame Herta fanclub. Not herta but THE herta. Maybe include the aglaea fans as well
Somehow got 24 cycles left.
Team 1: Kafka, Black Swan, Robin, Lingsha
Team 2: Firefly, Fugue, Hmc, Ruanmei
Ngl I’m just happy I was able to use dot for a moc, it’s been a while since I done so.
increase damage(healthy competition for sustains) dealt by enemies instead of HP Inflation
I actually made several mistakes during the swarm boss since I just woke up and still half asleep. then there's svarog only attacking my acheron who was at red hp despite my 4.3k def w/ 4 pc knight relic aventurine spamming fua and skill likely due to the still unfixed bug, but at the end of the day my f2p ahh still first tried this moc.
node 1: acheron, jiaoqiu, aventurine, pela
node 2: firefly, fugue, ruan mei, gallagher
1 cycle first with fugue, e1s1 ff, hmc, ruan and 3 cycle 2nd with JL, e0s1 sunday, e1s0 robin, huohuo. as expected its not much of a problem considering how careful i've been in investing my f2p resources biased towards supports rather than dpses. this result strengthen my decision to skip 3.0 and perhaps even 3,1 to wait a bit more considering i can still comfortably deals with endgame content. when i can't then i'll pull.
Barely got 12 done today. MoFo Svarog was a tank. I really NEED to get Black Swan’s E1 sometime or else my Acheron ain’t going to deal damage at this point. Finally got 80 pulls but I’ll save it for collab. Need 160 to guarantee a character. I believe my luck will be bad as always.
i manage to clear this moc with dots premium team for the first part which cost 4 cycles, and ratio premium team for the second part which cost 6 cycles.
good thing the dots keep killing the trotters so i could focus on the main enemy :D
Five cycles with my Acheron, im dead
i agree on the crazy hp pools rn,,, i get through it but they are reeeally pushing it at this point.
btw who are you excited for in 3.0+? were there any charas that caught your eye in the trailers?
Another MOC cycle of hoyoverse catering to rappa (hopefully The Herta will make this cycle easier for me)
Yeah this and Fugue
First half dot in 5 cycles but felt pretty good, second half tried to use better dan heng but like terrible experience even with pela sunday. 15 cycles left and i'm depressed. Second half genuinely feels like its impossible without having rappa or other break team .
Would you recommend the herta or e1 robin
I knew there was something wrong when my FuA team wasn't able to one cycle that Svarog side, and my E4 DHIL took 2.5 cycles in the swarm side
yeah it's rough - it feels odd not being able to one shot the first wave with a fully buffed acheron ult
What?? My e2 can clear in 2 cycles with sunday robin aven
@RenEmi-x6r i use sparkle and gallagher with him, my FuA has the E1 Robin, hence the 2.5 clears. I say 2.5 because it's almost the end of the cycle when I cleared it, plus E3 and E4 does not really do much for DHIL unlike newer units eidolons
Omg you aren't braxophone I thought you were braxophone I'm so happy you're just a normal chill guy and not a freak thank you
Brax is a freak?
I actually found MoC12 easier than MoC11 this time around. That Aventurine boss fight can go screw itself though. No matter what mode it's on.
Nah bro MoC 11 was trivial compared to MoC12
I was already struggling with the previous moc, now im thinking im gonna be screwed this time around. Might actually be time i finally pull a limited sustain because I've been barely hanging on
i needed to solely rely on rng and run sustainless firefly with both hmc rm and fugue because otherwise it would take me 7 cycles to kill svarog😭
perfect cleared MOC 12 at three stars. But it took a long time for my Feixao dual dps to defeat Svarog. Fortunately, Rappa and Fugue trashed True Sting real fast.
0:40 shield??? adventurine shield is bugged???
It has been since the release of 2.7
Ohhh can u tell me wats the bug is????
@@Tia-ux5lt his talent bingo doesn't proc correctly, it does refresh the shield for all allies but the "double the amount refreshed for the one with the least amount of shield" part doesn't work apparently, the bug's details are mentioned in the game optimization news
@@sorashizen5130 ohhh now i get it thanks 😊😊
For some reason I first try it with Acheron jiaoqiu pela huohuo first half in 3 cycles then 4 cycles second half with rappa without fugue too. Rappa side was pretty fun lol
is 3 lushaka good? doesnt the value you get decreases as you get more atk
6 Cycled Side 1 with DoT(Kafka/BS/RM/Fu Xuan)... (Seriously, Svarog has BOTH Electric and Wind weakness but my DoTs were dealing zero damage), and 2 cycled Side 2 with E0S1 Rappa + E1 Fugue
how do you think the herta will hold up in moc where there isn’t like alot of enemies on the field also do you think she needs the enemy to have ice weakness to be good
E2S1 Acheron first half. E0 firefly 2nd half. 19 cycles remaining. I tried rng'ing for 27 cycles left on acheron side but couldn't seem to go from 26 to 27. Maybe if I had jiaoqiu she could have carried hard enough.
I got a fun time with Seele this MoC (I'm happy with 4 cycles tbh)
I do agree with it for the first time in a while E6S2 ache with her team(JQE0S1 sparkleE0S5 DDD and gallagherE6) 1cycle and well my hertaE6 herta with JYlc did better than my JLE0S1 with robinE0S1 bronyaE2S1 aventE0geppy LC but i do understand it the totter buff deal very big dmg so the HP increased is justified in ny opinion
It’s really bad…
But I somehow managed to do it with E2S1 Feixiao, E0S5 Fermata Kafka, E0S1 BS, E1S0 Huo Huo
By
Side 2:E6S2 Acheron (my only maxed limited five star), E0S0 Fugue, E2S0 Himeko, E0S1 Aventurine.
Just barely, and down to the last attack…I guess I suffer from skill issue to only just do it.
It was terrifying to be honest
first side was DOT with 4 cycles (8 cost)
second side was Acheron team with 2 cycles (9 cost)
8 cost 4 cycles is insane dot needs some support
My firefly didnt even clear, and she was properly built
my firefly aswell but i don't know why i feel it was too short for firefly combustion on that phase 2. is it me or bug when i play in the morning..
Mine did well tho. You guys sure nothing is missing?
@@Raikos100 151 speed, 190 BE, herta shop lc, s1 ruan mei, idk what im missing and im pretty sure its not skill issue
Brother my rappa E0S1 Cleared with Mc E6 and E0 fugue and E3 gallagher and my fugue and gallgher are not even close to well build and I got everything clear with no problem
@@Condensed_rock Idk it might be. I ran E0S0 Firefly w Gallagher n E0S0 Rm and HMC, as well as Rappa E0S0 Aventurine Pela and E0S1 Fugue and I had 2 cycles to spare
i got 22 cycles left on this one but i had e2 ff ruan mei hmc and galager and acheron aventurine pela jiaoqiu. and i felt kinda carried by the trotters big pp daamage
in my opinion you can abuse acheron ult in node 2 idk why player is not using it it literally free 3 stacks every spawn of mini swarm i always do it when i see a swarm boss in moc
Hey artumbo have a question ?
I use the same team as you in first half with same builds and lightcones conly thing different is you use jiaqiou signature LC
But your Acheron does 800k dmg while mine does 450k or sometimes 600k whats the problem here
My acheron has 3.4k atk , 70/202 crit rate ratio , 46% lightning dmg please tell me what i am doing wrong here
what light cone do you have on your pela, jiaoqiu and aventurine?
@artumbo Pela has resultion shines bright s5 ,
Jiaqiou has s5 solitary healing , and aventurine has s2 topaz LC which applies dot on hit
On of my friend tried moc on my account and he managed to do 740k with Acheron
I think I have skill issue
@@CyberGamerz01 i think there might have just been more enemies on the field, don't worry about it too much im sure she'll hit the numbers you want soon! :)
can i ask what's with your aventurine using trend while jiaoqiu is on the team?
I know it is end game content, but yea, the hp is a lil high lol im not quite a whale, but i do spend a fair bit and even i had a lil trouble in the second half ended up running my acheron team first half and then F.A.R.T on the second half
I got 3 cycles first side with E0S0 Jing Yuan + E0S1 Sunday + E1S1 Robin + E0S0 HuoHuo and 4 cycles second side with E0S1 Acheron + Jiao E0S0 + Pela + Fu Xuan. I could feel the HP inflation a lot this cycle they need to slow down 😭
agreed, the hp inlfation is getting strong. Still managed to clear it, but this is the fattest Svarog I've fought so far.
first side: E0 S1 team Feixiao, second side E1 S1 Rappa team.
Ironically, for this MoC, my HMC didn't get replaced, instead The Hound got replaced by a Fox😂
Svarog tool 5 cycles minimum with E2 Acheron or Feixiao. What.
Swarm took 2 for reference
This MoC made me realise why they never release DoT units anymore cause those 2 old ladies and their NOT DEDICATED supports destroy the first half of this
i cleared with 22 cycles left using kafka/BS/ruan mei/huohuo and rappa/fugue/HMC/gallagher
at this point idc how many cycles it takes the clear as long as i get my 3 stars
I finally 36 starred it after so many tries with only 20 cycles left, this moc is rough man
Thank you for the Rappa without Lingsha showcase !
Meanwhile me with e0s1 Acheron, e0s0 jiaqiou, e6s5 pela , e0s0 aventurine in firs side with 4 cycles and dhil e0s1 , Sunday e0s1 , sparkle e0s0 , fu xuan e0s0 with 6 cycles barely managed to clear it
Are you TBP resetting on this account? I feel like all of your gear is just better than the gear on my main, and I've been playing since 1.3
I don't have lightning or wind dps and my fire dps is himeko, so yeah i should really go for more elements and stop focusing on supports ...(Not stopping me from going for mydei even though i have DHIL xD), either way this moc 12 is a skip for me
12:50 isn't DDD on the phase 2 banners?
F2P here. I managed to 10-cycle on my first try (could've 9-cycled but we don't talk about 1% HP)
For the 1st half, I used Feixiao, Aven, Robin and HM7. Took 4 cycles.
For the 2nd half, I used Jingliu, Huohuo, Sunday and RM. Took 6 cycles.
Was there HP inflation? Definitely. I redid the last MoC before it changed yesterday and there was definitely a difference. Maybe the reason that they're more tanky is bcuz of the Trotters.
2nd try:
For the first half, I used Kafka, Huohuo, RM and Black Swan in the first half. Took 4 cycles.
For the second half, I used the same Feixiao team. Took 3 cycles.
My advice is to think carefully on which target to hit, the boss or the Trotters?
E.g.: Should I use my HM7's ult to hit the boss or try to kill the Trotter with it?
P.S. THE SUMMONED BUGS ARE SO ANNOYING BCUZ THEY PREVENT THE TROTTERS FROM SPAWNING. GOOD LUCK
MoC 11 2 cc, MoC 12 7 cc, the tankiness came out of nowhere and hit me like a truck
Was doing fine until moc12 and boy I just cannot kill those things fast enough at all, they have so many millions of hp it feels like.
I have the same teams but weaker on alt. Main prolly will do Jy and Yunli....
That's gonna be a nightmare if even you are saying it's bad.
(Also yeah they need to calm down. I'm not gonna pressure myself into full clearing but hopefully I can still 35/36 on both accounts)
you got this 🙏
Not really. Challenged myself today by using DoT (kafka swan without sig and eidolons) on the first half and acheron (off-element, w/o jiao and only 1 nihility) on second half and cleared with 21 cycles left…
Might drop this game for wuthering waves if its even worse in 3.0 i wanna actually use my characters not feel forced to pull a character i might not even like but because meta
managed to clear it but I was STRESSED. took my acheron 7 whole cycles to clear first half😭 luckily gallagher clutched it up on the my last turn 🥺